Is it appropriate to confront a higher rank when they are blatantly disregarding regs?

SrA Rebecca Jaffee — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 02:51:02 -0400

So last week I was at the chow hall with another girl from my squadron, and we see this SSgt wearing nearly black lipstick across the room. This is very obviously out of regs as makeup is to be conservative and lipstick can not contrast with your skin tone. She was obviously a higher rank than me or the airman I went to chow with, and neither of us said anything even though both of us desperately wanted to. She looked ridiculous. It was so bad that some male airmen at the table next to us noticed it and asked us about the reg. Anyway my question is, is it appropriate to confront a higher rank when they are blatantly disregarding regs?

PS There was a visiting 2 star across the chow hall at the time
PPS Sorry the pictures are so bad. We were far away.

Response by LTC Joseph Gross made Jul 8 at 2016 2:54 AM

LTC Joseph Gross — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 02:54:19 -0400

You have a duty to correct deficiencies whenever you see them. Use tact with superiors. Don't confront in front of others and be respectful, but don't waiver.

Response by MSgt Ken Flood made Jul 8 at 2016 11:50 AM

MSgt Ken Flood — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 11:50:18 -0400

My answer is YES, but you must use tact. That is not her uniform she is wearing it is ours!

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Jul 8 at 2016 12:13 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 12:13:06 -0400

With tact and professionalism, absolutly ok.. though I would do so as a question not a confrontational remark.
Afternoon Sergeant, if I may ask a question?.. I thought makeup that was not complimenting natural skin tone or was contrasting natural skin tone was against regulations.. Did I ready the regulation wrong? While looking at my smart phone that I have opend AR 670-1 on

Response by TSgt David Holman made Jul 8 at 2016 2:08 PM

TSgt David Holman — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 14:08:50 -0400

Yes, just make sure to approach with tact. If you aren't comfortable with it, talk with your supervisor.

Response by Cpl Eric Honomichl made Jul 8 at 2016 2:22 PM

Cpl Eric Honomichl — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 14:22:17 -0400

With tact.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Jul 8 at 2016 3:09 PM

Capt Tom Brown — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:09:42 -0400

SrA Rebecca Jaffee You are to be applauded for your serious desire to say something to this in-your-face scoff-law who was daring someone to say something to her. Kinda like the rogue Army CSM in Hawaii a short time back. While the situation warranted a 'spot correction', in doing so you run the risk of treading on some unsteady ground. You do not necessarily want to become a Christian Martyr for your efforts. I would think no less of you for letting this one slide and concentrate on individuals of lesser rank when your words might make an impression on the offender. Let someone of higher rank deal with the SSgt in your case, at least then she would not be able to smoke the person who corrected her. Someone is bound to trip her up sooner than later.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Jul 8 at 2016 3:12 PM

1LT William Clardy — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:12:21 -0400

With all due respect, yes.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jul 8 at 2016 3:45 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:45:49 -0400

If they have a blatant disregard then it is likely that your challenge (while correct) would go over like a brick through a window. In this case it is best to address it with one of their peers or your CSM, whether it is an Officer or NCO.

Response by CSM Stuart C. O'Black made Jul 8 at 2016 3:48 PM

CSM Stuart C. O'Black — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 15:48:18 -0400

Absolutely, just use tact. Or another way to go about it and just make it into a question. Like "SGT I was told we can not wear lipstick like that. Did the regulations change or something?"
I was jacked up one day with my uniform and about two hours into the day a PFC walked up and said "CSM can I ask you a question in private." He told me what was jacked up on my uniform. I was mad no one else squared me away sooner. So I gave him a coin and asked the Frist Sergeant walking around with me the past hour why no one else had enough nerve to tell me. NCOs should realize they are being looked at as the standard bearers at all times and should expected to get called out if they are jacked up!

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 4:27 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 16:27:38 -0400

Toxic leadership and setting a bad example to her subordinates.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 5:28 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:28:34 -0400

You should absolutely make an on-the-spot correction. Here's my quick list of do's and dont's:

DO:
-Be respectful. Whether you're correcting a superior or a subordinate, always be polite, professional, and tactful. More often than not, it's typically senior leaders "shaming" soldiers rather than or in addition to correcting them. We've all been corrected before, because we've all been wrong. Be mindful of how it made you feel when someone corrected you privately versus embarrassed you publicly.
-Be right. If you're going to make an on-the-spot correction, have your regulation ready on your smart phone or in your hand. Be aware that sometimes, MILPER messages can sometimes modify or update rules and regulations before they hit the books.
-Be squared away. Don't throw stones in glass houses, so they say. The same goes for making corrections. It doesn't do you any good to point out someone else's deficiencies when you yourself are jacked up.

DON'T:
-Remain silent. If you yourself are not comfortable making the correction, or are unsure of whether or not it's wrong, ask. Ask a superior, a battle buddy, or even ask the individual you're considering correcting. Plenty of people have phrased it here extremely well: simply saying "Excuse me, I was wondering if we were authorized to..." can often initiate a professional dialogue.
-Make a scene. If you're in a public place, ask to speak privately with the individual, or wait for a more private opportunity. Remember, you're trying to make a correction, not embarrass someone.
-Be prideful. If you're mistaken, take your licks and continue mission. I and many others like me have made what we thought was a correction, only to learn we were mistaken. It happens, but it's not the end of the world. At the end of the day, someone learns something.

Ultimately, remember this: you are making a correction to improve the military culture. Enforcing standards improves our organization and keeps it running well. Embarrassing people damages our camaraderie and divides us. Anyone in the military who gives a damn about keeping up standards will thank you for the correction, and anyone who gets angry with you for pointing out a deficiency probably has a problem that goes far deeper than their lipstick color.

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 8 at 2016 5:30 PM

SCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 17:30:54 -0400

Depends on how much you value your military career.

Response by Sgt Marshall Byrne made Jul 8 at 2016 8:08 PM

Sgt Marshall Byrne — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 20:08:11 -0400

Yes if they are wrong then they are wrong they uniform regulations for a reason and if the individual gets nasty prepare to get you but chewed but at least you told them about the deficiency and they most likely won't do it again and if they ask for your command so what most likely if you was tactful and not belligerent they will have you back everyone is held to the same standards just cause your a certain rank doesn't give them the right to pick and choose what rule you want to follow that shows bad leadership if your tactful then your fine Semper Fi

Response by SFC Vernon McNabb made Jul 8 at 2016 8:20 PM

SFC Vernon McNabb — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 20:20:54 -0400

Absolutely!!! When you walk past a substandard Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine, and don't "check" them, you just lowered the standard. Be tactful, and know the regulation, but don't let it go unchecked.

Response by Capt Chris McVeigh made Jul 8 at 2016 10:55 PM

Capt Chris McVeigh — Fri, 08 Jul 2016 22:55:15 -0400

Rank doesn't make a difference. If they outrank you, approach the situation with the measure of tact it deserves and inform them of the issue. Orders and regulations apply to everyone.

Response by CPT Scott Brown made Jul 9 at 2016 10:53 AM

CPT Scott Brown — Sat, 09 Jul 2016 10:53:49 -0400

I would suggest either a professional and private "can I ask about your makeup" or bring it up to your supervisor or someone of an equal or higher rank that you know. There will always be a few NCO's and Officers who just never get it.

Response by TSgt Jamie Boylan made Jul 10 at 2016 11:21 AM

TSgt Jamie Boylan — Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:21:26 -0400

Yes, as long as you are respectful, and tactful that individual can not really say anything. If worse comes to worse, you can always ask for that person's squadron, get their name and call their 1st Sgt.

Response by SSgt Jimmy Bryant made Jul 10 at 2016 11:22 AM

SSgt Jimmy Bryant — Sun, 10 Jul 2016 11:22:22 -0400

Yes it is do it tactfully and one on one show respect for the rank and let her know her violation undermines her authority

Response by SSgt Scott Reynolds made Jul 10 at 2016 3:45 PM

SSgt Scott Reynolds — Sun, 10 Jul 2016 15:45:07 -0400

By using a modicum of tact you should feel free to correct anyone regardless of rank. Just make sure you know the regs before you do it.

Response by MSgt Sandra McKinney Dent made Jul 11 at 2016 10:01 AM

MSgt Sandra McKinney Dent — Mon, 11 Jul 2016 10:01:50 -0400

Considering the number of times I was the ranking female enlisted and even senior ranking officers would ask me to "help" a young female Lieutenant (2nd and 1st, but usually 2nd) ; I have no qualms about it (junior ranking assisting a senior ranking) .

This (wearing really dark lipstick, and/or using really dark lip liner) was common not many years ago because of popular culture and fashion. Many female military members were wearing lipstick in this fashion because it was so common in the civilian communities. It was sometime a constant matter, and harder to correct for those in uniform.

Just my buck for coffee from experience; it's better for females to "assist" or correct other females. Just be sure who ever does it already is in FULL and COMPLETE compliance first.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2016 12:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:38:10 -0400

It is appropriate to make on the spot corrections to anyone as long as it is done tactfully. My battle buddy and I saw a 2LT with a ponytail holder that was clearly not within the reg because it wasn't the same/about the same color as her hair. My battle politely followed her into the bathroom and let her know. She helped her fix the holder to were it didn't show. Problem solved:)

Response by PO1 Walter Webb made Jul 13 at 2016 1:18 AM

PO1 Walter Webb — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 01:18:37 -0400

I would have informed her of the regs. We have them for a reason.

Response by SSG Lon Watson made Jul 13 at 2016 10:29 AM

SSG Lon Watson — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:29:44 -0400

Welcome to the liberal PC military! That "don't judge" "live and let live" attitude has filtered into enforcement or regs and policies just like I said it would. How can we correct lipstick that is faddish and not conservative when we will soon have service members in full drag? Stay tuned, discipline and standards will fall even lower! Welcome to the new military!

Response by SPC Charles Zeller made Jul 13 at 2016 10:54 AM

SPC Charles Zeller — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:54:59 -0400

Absolutely make the correction and like everyone else has said be tactful. But I'm not in the army anymore so I can try tact and if that doesn't work tact goes out the window

Response by MSgt Rafael Gonzalez made Jul 13 at 2016 10:55 AM

MSgt Rafael Gonzalez — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 10:55:10 -0400

Everyone must be held accountable. If you didn't feel comfortable, you could've gone to someone higher ranking .

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 11:56 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 11:56:46 -0400

Absolutely, with TACT. I however caution against the use of photos of someone you don't know and have no permission to use. If the intent is humiliation, well, there goes tact. Point would have been well received even without them.

Response by SGT Lawrence Frank made Jul 13 at 2016 12:20 PM

SGT Lawrence Frank — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:20:10 -0400

You should have knife edge handed the fuck out of her and told her to "go un fuck your face!" You prolly could have gotten promoted ON THE SPOT!

Response by MSgt Robert Swanson made Jul 13 at 2016 12:44 PM

MSgt Robert Swanson — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 12:44:23 -0400

Agreed should not let it go but use tact

Response by SPC Miranda Johnson made Jul 13 at 2016 1:05 PM

SPC Miranda Johnson — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 13:05:35 -0400

That is why MPs are directed to make these corrections on duty.. Because on duty, rank means nothing.. MPs are there to enforce the standards no matter what. You absolutely should say something, but if you don't feel comfortable, ask one of them to do it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 2:51 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 14:51:55 -0400

Stop being a coward and do the right thing

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 3:05 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:05:16 -0400

Senior Enlisted Airman??? Have you seen the children who wear SSgt stripes in the AF? Most NCO's are scared to say anything to anyone to correct them for fear they might not like them or hurt their feelings

Response by CMSgt David Charls made Jul 13 at 2016 3:05 PM

CMSgt David Charls — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:05:47 -0400

Yes, it is ok to "tactfully" bring it to the attention of the senior member. Ask if they could speak to you in private and politely inform them. Chances are they will say they you are correct and hopefully not do it again while in uniform. But on the chance they give you a hard time or threaten you with your First Shirt, supervisor etc, I doubt they would follow through, let your supervisor know and show them the photo. If the latter is the case, they probably knew they had been walking a fine line and got called out. I would still let your supervisor know what happened either way if you pointed out their error.

Response by Sgt Jennifer Dille made Jul 13 at 2016 3:26 PM

Sgt Jennifer Dille — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 15:26:58 -0400

Yes it is appropriate if done with tact and respect for her rank. However, you better have the regulation memorized and be prepared for her to belittle your knowledge of regulations. With that said I have to say that you taking a picture of her without consent and posting it on a forum is highly unprofessional and disrespectful. Any picture you post on the internet is there forever. She was not given a chance to either defend her choice of lipstick or take it off.

Response by LTC Sonya Friday made Jul 13 at 2016 5:06 PM

LTC Sonya Friday — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:06:31 -0400

I think it is ok, but I would ask to speak to her in private. Explain to her your concern and others that have noticed the same thing. Walk away letting her know you wanted to make sure she was aware. Just alway remember to maintain your professionalism.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 5:56 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 17:56:54 -0400

I can't believe we're taking the time to care. Infantrymen in full Drag is coming fast, and we're worried about a shade of lipstick. Who cares? If it were, maybe, GREEN, I'd understand.

Response by Sgt Tom Beard made Jul 13 at 2016 6:01 PM

Sgt Tom Beard — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:01:45 -0400

LOL, when I was at Travis as a medico. One of our TSgt's in his off duty time was a cross dresser. He showed up for duty one day on the mens ward with eyeliner and shade on. Nobody said anything to him until he walked into the room a Retired Navy Torpedo slinger. Who proceeded to put him in a Headlock and DRAG him 1/2 mile across the facility to the NCOIC of Nursing services. Walk into his office and voiced his displeasure about the TSgt's attire. From what I understand he told the NCOIC if he caught said Tech again dressed like that. He was not only going to whip the TSgt's ass, but he would come for him, too." Needless to say, there was no repeat performance...

Response by CMSgt Bill Yarnall made Jul 13 at 2016 6:53 PM

CMSgt Bill Yarnall — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 18:53:50 -0400

You address the problem in a diplomatic way. Let them know they are screwed up without them realizing you're correcting them. Then again if you're right your right. CMSgt Y

Response by A1C Elizabeth Adams made Jul 13 at 2016 8:06 PM

A1C Elizabeth Adams — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:06:56 -0400

In tech school and even here at my first base my NCOs, Senior NCOs and OIC of my flight always tell us that if somebody is out of regs you should tactfully or in private let them know the reg and that they are out of compliance. If for some reason they completely disregard or blatantly disregard you and they are of higher rank that you should let your supervisor know so that they can foreword it to the member in questions supervisor. No one is above AFI 36-2903.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2016 8:22 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 20:22:50 -0400

Looks more like she was eating some ribs with BBQ sauce and they were so good it made her smile. Anywho, don't be afraid to approach someone of higher rank; in most cases they will probably thank you.

Response by 1SG Jorge Guzman made Jul 13 at 2016 9:09 PM

1SG Jorge Guzman — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 21:09:28 -0400

Definitely correct them. Always use tact when correcting someone of higher rank. Even if they are junior in rank, you don't want to embarrass them in front of everyone. Just tell them to square themselves away. When I did my In-brief with my new company, I told all my Soldiers that I expect them to square me away if I was ever jacked up. (Which is never) ;)

Response by SPC Kirk Gilles made Jul 13 at 2016 10:06 PM

SPC Kirk Gilles — Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:06:19 -0400

Was it lipstick? I mean I am asking because I had no idea about Shaving Profiles especially with African American soldiers. I saw beards and didn't get it.
But asking a E7 if one was handy might work. Pass the buck UP.

Response by SFC Louis Cosme made Jul 14 at 2016 6:24 AM

SFC Louis Cosme — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:24:29 -0400

Not in my time. Rank hath its privileges - not to flaunt regs, but it's not your job to 'correct' those above you, especially not in your chain of command - that's the job of their peers or superiors, in other words myb. You did say a 2 star was present? That should mean there were plenty of other senior personnel around.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2016 6:27 AM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:27:48 -0400

Yes, it is completely appropriate but the important thing is doing it the correct way. The wrong way would be to walk up and blatantly call them out on it in an embarrassing manner. The correct way would be to pull them aside and respectfully tell them or ask if they are aware that XYZ (whatever the infraction is) is not in line with the guidance. As a CMSgt, that is how I handle it from the highest officer rank to the lowest enlisted. I would also say that I want an Airman to watch out for me and let me know because in the end, it's an Airman taking care of an Airman. If you are respectful and they respond negatively, just smile make sure to note the name and rank and address it with your leadership if it is warranted. Just my advice.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2016 8:05 AM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 08:05:26 -0400

It is fine to talk to a person of any rank who you feel is out of regulation. In fact, it is your obligation to. However, here's some key advice on how to do it: 1. First, make sure you're going off of facts. Look at AFI 36-2903 (pull it up on your phone if you're not carrying the AFI around with you), and make sure you know for sure the person is in violation. 2. If one or two of you together want to talk to the person, that's fine, but always pull them aside... Never embarrass them publically. 3. Be respectful, whether they out rank you or not. People take criticism a lot better when you talk to them in a respectful, non confrontational way.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2016 9:07 AM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:07:51 -0400

Respect the rank don't fear it! You absolutely were well with in your boundaries as a fellow airman of USAF to call anybody out for being out of regs as long as you handle it with respect you will be good

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2016 8:16 PM

GySgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:16:01 -0400

Would it be wrong to ask why make-up is authorized in military uniforms anyways? Ban make-up in uniform except for war paint and focus more on looking good by being physically fit.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Jul 14 at 2016 8:40 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Thu, 14 Jul 2016 20:40:16 -0400

I would Have Had to ask If you could talk to Her about her appearance on the side and Make
on the spot correction. Maybe She would listen to you or Not but Don't let PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THAT BECAUSE YOU SAW SOMETHING AND YOU WERE BEING HONEST TO HER AND LET KNOW THAT SHE WAS WRONG. WHAT IF THE SHOE WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT AND SOMEONE CORRECTED YOU HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE IT?

Response by TSgt Sylvia Powell made Jul 15 at 2016 4:28 AM

TSgt Sylvia Powell — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:28:36 -0400

Yes you should! It does not matter if a SSgt or General. Just be tactful about it.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2016 6:47 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 06:47:07 -0400

Absolutely you correct them. Be respectful dont go screaming at em. Your job is also to correct the standard when you see it is wrong

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2016 8:55 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 08:55:57 -0400

Yes! Be tactful. But don't be surprised if you get blown off or laid in to. Shitbirds like the one pictured do the wrong thing, know it, and think they are above the law.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2016 10:22 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 10:22:41 -0400

It's appropriate to let her know in person even if she outranks you. Everyone is accountable for everyone. However, it's inappropriate to post this in social media and worse... you took a picture.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2016 1:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 13:07:39 -0400

If you see something out of regs and don't correct it the. You just allowed them to set a new standard. Everyone can be corrected. Do it tactfully and make sure you are 100% within regs before approaching them.

Response by Sgt Windell Clark made Jul 15 at 2016 4:46 PM

Sgt Windell Clark — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:46:09 -0400

As long as "With all do respect" is stated along with the rank or sir or maam, that will protect you from the ego explosion that will happen. Afterwords stand by for some un predictable response.. Good luck

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2016 5:19 PM

Sgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 17:19:40 -0400

Everyone in the Military is held to higher standards. Never be afraid to confront someone who is out of regs. Correct tactfully though.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2016 12:06 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 00:06:18 -0400

Read the blue book. All Airmen of all tiers have a responsibility to hold eachother accountable to the standards set forth by higher headquarters. Rank plays no role in that. Of course be respectful, but if you are disciplined for it then she can actually get in trouble as that is an IG incident. As an NCO she should set an example, she is not living up to the expectations of her rank.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2016 9:26 AM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:26:39 -0400

Tact is great but if you have a 2 Star that might see this walking infraction, thus placing the higher chain of command in a bad light tact is over. I would have approached this person and pointed out the unsat reg and that the 2 Star was there. Then explained the possible ramifications this may have on them and the CoC. It is our duty to enforce proper military bearing at all times. Im not saying sign up for the reg gastopo but atleast do your part. Lol.

Response by CMSgt Colleen Ingram made Jul 16 at 2016 11:04 AM

CMSgt Colleen Ingram — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 11:04:16 -0400

The best way to respond is, 'I'm sure you didn't realize that ________ is not in regulation. So I just wanted to help before someone of a higher rank noticed. I wouldn't want you to get in trouble. '

Response by MAJ Raúl Rovira made Jul 16 at 2016 3:22 PM

MAJ Raúl Rovira — Sat, 16 Jul 2016 15:22:06 -0400

Tact and respect. Before I sewed on my name tape and US Army tape, I went to work one day with the tapes placed on the opposite sides. A retired CSM wanted to ask me a question in private. In a very nice way he made me aware that my tapes were opposite to each other. jokingly I said to him "It is certainly Monday and I am glad you still have sharp CSM skills, thank you for squaring me away."

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2016 2:31 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 02:31:42 -0400

An Airman (capital A meaning every one in the Air Force) is allowed to correct any other Airman (again capital A), but as others said, do it tactfully. Do not go around publically shaming people that out rank you.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2016 8:36 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:36:50 -0400

of course it is...respecfully

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 17 at 2016 9:07 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:07:22 -0400

I was in the airport and I saw a female LTC who was really out of the reg her hair was spiked, she had flaming red lipstick, way to much blush, etc. I sat down beside her and in a low and respectful voice introduced myself and informed her that she was out of reg. She says to me "my commander says its up to interpretation" I calmly replied "No Ma'am, it is not up to interpretation, it is the regulation and it clearly states that your hair should be neat and professional not stylish and that your makeup should be natural, and besides that, you are in the airport in uniform in front of all of these people who look up to us, your appearance does not look professional" she proceeds to tell me that she doesn't feel that she has done anything wrong. With that I told her to have a nice day and continued on my way, some people even with the on the spot correction still don't think that they are wrong. I guess I'm going to have to carry around the 670-1 to show proof next time.

Response by SCPO Kelly Jernigan made Jul 17 at 2016 8:19 PM

SCPO Kelly Jernigan — Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:19:51 -0400

Absolutely, but have a little tact and mention it quietly (don't shout it out in the chow hall). And just my personal observation.....I would also mention that particular shade does not go well with her skin tone and makes her teeth look big (like a horse).

Response by MAJ Rene De La Rosa made Jul 18 at 2016 12:11 AM

MAJ Rene De La Rosa — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 00:11:41 -0400

Yikes, that black lipstick!!!!!

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 12:36 AM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 00:36:51 -0400

As a fellow airmen it's your duty to correct another airmen regardless of rank. From experience just be respectful and know the instruction. As another female we know what the instruction says and sometimes "we" like to push the boundaries to see if anyone will call us on it. I'm a Marine Corp brat and growing up on Marine bases, it didn't matter if a PFC told a Gen he was out of regs because they took extreme pride in the proper wear of the uniform. That should hold true for Airmen too. Don't be afraid or intimidated for letting someone know they are out of regs, it's a honor and privilege to wear the uniform!

Response by SFC Andrew Dowell made Jul 18 at 2016 9:38 AM

SFC Andrew Dowell — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:38:35 -0400

Spot corrections are authorized like most on here have said tact is needed

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 10:05 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:05:43 -0400

Absolutely! I always encourage my Airmen to, respectfully, correct anyone of any rank if they are in violation of AFI'S or regs. They might blow you off or get pissed but as long as you are respectful and maintain your composure, they cannot do anything to you.

Response by CWO4 Clay Burtts made Jul 18 at 2016 10:08 AM

CWO4 Clay Burtts — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:08:33 -0400

Say something

Response by SMSgt Patrick Holena made Jul 18 at 2016 10:41 AM

SMSgt Patrick Holena — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:41:46 -0400

Absolutely. If you saw a Chief or Colonel missing a name tag would you let them walk around without one? We used to do things like that on BTZ and Quarterly Award boards to see who had the guts to tell someone of a higher rank they were out of regs. If they give you a hard time just note their name, find out where they work, and call their First Sergeant.

Response by SGT David Johnson made Jul 18 at 2016 11:29 AM

SGT David Johnson — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:29:24 -0400

If you do it correctly and not disrespecting whoever you'll be fine. I had something similar. I was stationed at Ft Sill, Ok when I saw a SM with hair over his ears. He clearly hadn't gotten a haircut in some time. So I asked him if he like to ride along with me as I was heading to the barbers as well. He just looked at me for a few seconds (felt like a lot longer as I was just a Specialist) and said yes. Just have to do it w respect.

Response by MSG Donald Bedford made Jul 18 at 2016 11:40 AM

MSG Donald Bedford — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 11:40:17 -0400

As long as you are respectful you can make a uniform correction to a higher ranking person. I once made a correction on a 1LT who showed up at a formal dinner had the legs of his dress blue uniform cut above the ankle and was wearing red socks. His excuse was that ita a FA thing. Note this was a Reserve Officer, i was active duty FA NCO, i have never seen anything like this. His 1SG tried to tell me i was wrong in correcting the officer and i informed the 1SG that he was wrong for not correcting him before comming to the event.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 12:40 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:40:28 -0400

AFI 36-2903 she is an NCO and knows her responsibilities as one of not then she needs to read the enlisted force structure 2618 and learn it

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 3:45 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 15:45:02 -0400

I teach my Recruits that it is very much ok to confront Senior personnel when their out of uniform. Be smart, Use Tact...but above all...Be respectful. It doesnt matter that others of higher rank are in there if you see it say it

Response by SGT Kim Dixon made Jul 18 at 2016 5:22 PM

SGT Kim Dixon — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 17:22:19 -0400

Well , i see the military is getting increasing worse allowing tripe like that to obtain rank.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 7:54 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:54:28 -0400

Yes. Next time say something. And quote the reg

Response by LtCol Dennis Ivan made Jul 18 at 2016 10:19 PM

LtCol Dennis Ivan — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 22:19:02 -0400

Not only yes, but hell yes.
One of two results, the senior will thank you for helping them out (no real professional wants to look like garbage in front of others) or they will push back. If they push back, as long as you maintain your tact and bearing, it will go really bad for them really fast.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 18 at 2016 11:05 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Jul 2016 23:05:06 -0400

You cannot go wrong if you are quoting the regulation. If the senior person takes issue with you correcting them, it says a lot about them and is no reflection on you. No one is above the law. However correction should be done discreetly since the point is to correct, not embarrass.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2016 12:57 AM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 00:57:23 -0400

So...I agree with those who said the black lipstick is wrong and it is appropriate for you to respectfully confront her about it in private, outside of view of others. However, what I am confused about is why your male colleagues had to ask you about what is "in regs." If female airmen are expected to know male regs, I just don't get the fact that male airmen don't think they need to know male regs. Just sayin'.

Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2016 1:01 AM

Col Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 01:01:42 -0400

So I agree with everyone who said your black lipstick is out of regs and you are within your right to respectfully confront her but I would recommend doing so in private. What I don't get is why your male teammates needed to ask you what is in regs for women. Since female airmen are expected to know male regs, why is it ok for male airmen not to know female regs? Just sayin'. It doesn't make any sense to this retired female colonel.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2016 4:27 AM

PFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 04:27:27 -0400

Who gives a F***?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2016 5:04 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 05:04:16 -0400

Yes. I was an E5 when I confronted a full bird on her nails color. Do it tactfully and it "should" be ok.

Response by SGT Marc Riordan made Jul 19 at 2016 10:17 AM

SGT Marc Riordan — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:17:38 -0400

Is she in uniform? I can't tell in the pics.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2016 11:12 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 11:12:07 -0400

It's never wrong to make an on-the-job correction, as long as you do it tactfully and respectfully. Leaders are not above the regs, but if you're concerned about reprisal, then bring it to the attention of someone higher.

Response by Sgt Robert L McClain made Jul 19 at 2016 12:23 PM

Sgt Robert L McClain — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 12:23:05 -0400

Diplomacy is key, Respect is normally returned. If over concerned I would make sure that it is recorded, and or witnessed. But just pointing out reg violations shouldn't be something to freak out about.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2016 4:49 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 16:49:12 -0400

Absolutely. Just don't do it in a disrespectul way.

Response by SSG Carlos Madden made Jul 19 at 2016 5:19 PM

SSG Carlos Madden — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:19:03 -0400

The circumstaces around your situation are unique but if you are curious, here's what some others have said on the subject:
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-do-you-feel-about-correcting-someone-of-higher-rank
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/how-do-you-go-about-correcting-someone-of-a-much-higher-rank

How do you feel about correcting someone of higher rank? | RallyPoint

With doing funeral details I work with people ranked as low as PFC or as high as COL. One day I was at a funeral and I noticed the Major I was with had 4 bronze stars attached to his NDSM. I asked him where he got his ribbon rack from and he said he recently used a new store. I had to inform him that according to his National Defense Service Medal ribbon, he has been in the service since WWII. And I said the reason is you get the ribbon for...

Response by Col Dona Marie Iversen made Jul 19 at 2016 5:48 PM

Col Dona Marie Iversen — Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:48:43 -0400

Yes of course. No rank is above the regs. Just do it respectfully, privately and discreetly.

Response by Cpl Justin Goolsby made Jul 20 at 2016 12:50 PM

Cpl Justin Goolsby — Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:50:44 -0400

If they are out of regs, they're out of regs and being a senior ranking service member, they should know better. So yes, it is more than appropriate to confront them. I'd recommend doing it tactfully, don't just announce to the world how jacked up they are. It also pays to have a copy of the order on hand because the biggest thing someone will do when being challenged is say "Show me in the order where it says I can/can't do this". So even before I think of correcting them, I first make sure I have the documentation to prove it and second make sure that I am 100% not jacked up.

But I also wanted to say that I didn't think it was lipstick in the photo. It looks like a goofy out of regs moustache which on a female would still be funny.

Response by SGT Chris Stephens made Jul 20 at 2016 1:48 PM

SGT Chris Stephens — Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:48:18 -0400

You should absolutely say something, you just say it with tact. Don't think because of your rank that you can't correct someone of a higher rank. Like CSM Stuart C.O. said, just make it into a question. If the person senior in rank to you gets onto you, then inform your chain of command and let them know the situation.

Response by BG David Fleming III made Jul 20 at 2016 4:26 PM

BG David Fleming III — Wed, 20 Jul 2016 16:26:01 -0400

I would have asked a NCO to square her away! NCO's love to square away officers!

Response by PO1 Jack Howell made Jul 21 at 2016 1:10 PM

PO1 Jack Howell — Thu, 21 Jul 2016 13:10:31 -0400

It may not seem like the correct thing to do to some, but it's your duty to address the issue. Before addressing the issue, you would first need to check the appropriate regulation to see if you were correct. Once done, then you could address the problem. With the 2-star in the same building, I would have suggested going up to the SSgt and asking her if you could speak to her outside. I would then move away from the building to make sure that the conversation wasn't heard by the wrong people. After that, in a respectful way, state why you wanted to talk to her and what the regulation states. It will be received well or it won't. Everyone should should be held to the same standard.

Response by SPC Seth Dietrich made Aug 23 at 2016 4:51 PM

SPC Seth Dietrich — Tue, 23 Aug 2016 16:51:53 -0400

It is appropriate but must be done tactfully

Response by CPL Wilfred Roberge made Sep 17 at 2016 11:43 PM

CPL Wilfred Roberge — Sat, 17 Sep 2016 23:43:25 -0400

I have been arround a little while and have seen a serious lack of discipline in both our military ranks and our civillian ranks. The way this Airman looks is silly and she would look silly to me as a civillian and as a civillian employer I would want someone with a more conservative/professional appearance but sadly that is not allowed any more.
I have been arround for a while and when I first joined the Reserve if a male came to drill w/o a proper hair cut he was driven to the barber and scalped during chow, females if they showed up @ 8 AM like they were ready to hit the town like it was 9 PM with thier faces caked with make up they were escorted into the latrine and made to wash thier faces. Both Male and Female Soldiers were then given counseling statements.
Now we are giving into "their rights." It is messed up. Everything is somehow about someone's rights. I remember in college a kid with a large amount of body jewelry/facial piercings (HUGE EAR GAUGES) went into the career center and was whining about "no place wanting to hire him." He claimed they call me for interviews, they meet me then they never call back. The lady who was probably 45 said to him "you might want to consider a more conservative look" or "getting rid of the facial jewelry" the kid complained that "she was judging him" but she was just being honest and explaining what the employers probably wanted.
I think we need to be harder on our new troops and make them meet the regulations.

Response by SSgt Jimmy Jackson made Aug 16 at 2017 6:17 PM

SSgt Jimmy Jackson — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:17:39 -0400

Was there someone of higher rank in the Chow Hall? Maybe approach them and tell them about the Reg and have them go with you to "help" the Ssgt. out. Seems like if you noticed, the other NCO's in the Chow Hall should have noticed as well.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Aug 16 at 2017 6:24 PM

SFC Oddie Brown — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:24:05 -0400

Use tact, and absolutely it is ok to let a higher ranking person know they are in violation. Most of the time they are probably not aware of the deficiency. Start the conversation with sir/maam "were you aware...." or sir/maam it is my duty to inform you that...." If they make an issue then they have a problem. I would think they would appreciate a heads up no matter the rank.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Aug 16 at 2017 6:33 PM

SFC Oddie Brown — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 18:33:08 -0400

I remember as a young sergeant years ago we had an in ranks inspection that was to be conducted by our CSM. Our dress was Class A. Everyone in our unit was in Class A's including the commander and 1SG. The CSM showed up in BDU's and they looked like they just came out of a duffle bag and his boots were dirty. I was in the rear but I could see him and the 1SG having some words. Next thing I know the 1SG faced us and told us to fall out for payday activities. He told us later that he felt like the CSM should have been in the same uniform as us since he was the standard. I don't know if he was right in his action but he got a hell of a lot of respect from all of us that day.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2017 8:32 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 20:32:55 -0400

Not only is it appropriate, you have an obligation to correct the deficiency.

Response by PO1 Sanford Snyder made Aug 16 at 2017 9:14 PM

PO1 Sanford Snyder — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 21:14:30 -0400

I was on Shore Patrol duty in Naples Italy. Our contribution while our carrier was in port. I was situated at a base club, can't remember the name of it, its been 30 plus years. My partner and I were watching the club close and the people leave. A Navy Lieutenant in uniform was leaving with a young lady he met at the club, an enlisted sailor in civvies. He put his cover on but his coat was unbuttoned and hanging open. I interrupted their leaving, politely, and asked, "shouldn't you button your coat sir?" He stopped, looked shakily down, nodded, and buttoned his coat. Meanwhile the female sailor was shocked that I would even bring it up to him being as I was enlisted.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Aug 16 at 2017 10:27 PM

MGySgt Rick Tyrrell — Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:27:18 -0400

Too easy! I spent a career doing this I never worried about tact but they are correct. Correct him on the spot.

Response by PO1 RIchard Petty made Aug 17 at 2017 12:11 AM

PO1 RIchard Petty — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 00:11:35 -0400

A1C Jaffe like everyone is saying be tactful about, if you fill uncomfortable find someone of same rank as her and have them correct the issue. You as a female should know your regs for females, and for males have basic knowledge things that you think might be wrong.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2017 2:37 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 02:37:32 -0400

Ensure you know the regulation and can quote it to the offender. Politely tell them what the regulation says and explain how their makeup (or whatever) does not comply. If they start making excuses or get nasty simply tell them you wanted to ensure they were aware, and excise yourself.
Even though they may argue or get nasty they usually know they're wrong and they may change the infraction later for fear of being called out or knowing others like you know they're wrong.

Response by SGT James Belcher made Aug 17 at 2017 8:18 AM

SGT James Belcher — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 08:18:26 -0400

I know this is changing, but I THANK GOD, I was in the infantry...ya know cause I never had to deal with these types of issues except at a military school (PLDC).

Response by PO3 David Davis made Aug 17 at 2017 3:37 PM

PO3 David Davis — Thu, 17 Aug 2017 15:37:13 -0400

Yes it is we had a Navy Lieutenant that didn't know where his insigne is went on his shirt we had to straighten him out everyday just about

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2017 9:24 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Aug 2017 09:24:08 -0400

Take it up with the 1SG.

Response by Sgt Peter Schlesiona made Aug 1 at 2019 2:00 PM

Sgt Peter Schlesiona — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 14:00:24 -0400

Confronting someone in the mess hall would not be a good idea. Making a public spectacle would serve no purpose. In all likelihood, she will be observed by someone in her chain of command and the issue will be addressed. Besides, from what you describe, she’s already making a laughing stock of herself.

Response by SSG Byron Howard Sr made Aug 1 at 2019 3:10 PM

SSG Byron Howard Sr — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 15:10:49 -0400

A friend of mine (an E5) corrected LTC Robert Howard once. His Medal of Honor Ribbion was upside down. He did not tell it across the room but used tact and professionalism. LTC Howard thanked him.

Response by PO1 David Jordon made Aug 1 at 2019 4:50 PM

PO1 David Jordon — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 16:50:17 -0400

The proper way to handle this is to find a higher ranking person and explain to them what is going on. This person will then go to the female and ,in private of course, explain to her the regs she is violating and that she needs to rectify the situatuon. You ,as a junior person, cannot do this. You will,most likely, be told to mind your business. But someone senior to her wouldn't get that crap. If they do,they have the authority to do something about it.

Response by Cpl Michael Mead made Aug 1 at 2019 5:20 PM

Cpl Michael Mead — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 17:20:41 -0400

I wouldn't shout it across the chow hall. But pull them aside and say something. If they want to rage take it to their higher up in the coc.

Response by 1LT A. Uribe made Aug 1 at 2019 10:25 PM

1LT A. Uribe — Thu, 01 Aug 2019 22:25:08 -0400

OMG! She looks like my former Commander, is her las name Kim?

Response by Capt Daniel Goodman made Aug 2 at 2019 2:40 AM

Capt Daniel Goodman — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 02:40:16 -0400

Wow....

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2019 3:53 AM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 03:53:24 -0400

I’m seeing a lot of correct answers.
Make the correction as tactfully AND as privately as possible.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2019 7:07 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 07:07:15 -0400

Yes, you should make on the spot corrections. Use tact and be respectful. As a senior leader I welcome corrections from a lower rank if I am out of regulations. First off, it's better to be corrected by a Private than a SGM any day of the week. Second, and most important, a Soldier of a lower rank making that correction shows me they are reading and understanding the regulations. We all make mistakes and always should seek improvement. By respectfully accepting a correction, a leader is helping a subordinate and developing the Soldiers courage. Yes, it takes courage for a Soldier to do that, especially in a toxic environment. As leaders, we should not punish or otherwise condemn a junior Soldier for doing this. We should insure the Soldier is correct. If not, a good leader will show them where they are incorrect in a non- threatening manner. They are learning. If correct, acknowledge they are right aND make the correction. Either way, do not be hostile or display any kind of hostility. We are here to develop junior Soldiers and NCO's.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 2 at 2019 7:55 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 07:55:36 -0400

We have a warrant who come in galley with socks and his sweaty Tour de France jersey on. It’s gross

Response by MAJ Geiter Dunn made Aug 2 at 2019 8:20 AM

MAJ Geiter Dunn — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 08:20:22 -0400

Seriously? The Air Force has regulations on uniforms and grooming?

Response by SFC Michael D. made Aug 2 at 2019 10:58 AM

SFC Michael D. — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 10:58:27 -0400

I wouldn't say confront. Such a harsh word. Politely question. Sir/Ma'am, you are telling me to do "X" but the regulation states "Y", could you please clearify.

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 2 at 2019 12:26 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 12:26:09 -0400

Very Tactfully!

Response by SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM made Aug 2 at 2019 2:14 PM

SFC David Reid, M.S, PHR, SHRM-CP, DTM — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:14:10 -0400

Some may lack the intestinal fortitude to do this in providing on the spot corrections!

Response by MSgt Curtis Ellis made Aug 2 at 2019 4:09 PM

MSgt Curtis Ellis — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 16:09:47 -0400

Tactfully, yes... as CSM Stuart C. O'Black indicated. When I was active, I relied on my subs to hold me to the same standard as I held them and demonstrated to them how to do this tactfully. And no reprisals from me or anyone else and long as they were right and was tactful. Note the last two lines of the Airman's Creed. Add to that, "Integrity First, Service Before Self, Excellence In All We Do". Given the rank differences, I can see how it may scare you a bit, but always uphold our standards to the highest and do the right thing whenever the opportunity presents itself so we can make our Force even stronger.
"ABOVE ALL"

Response by Col Kyle Taylor made Aug 2 at 2019 10:52 PM

Col Kyle Taylor — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:52:33 -0400

I would hope you would take the opportunity to find a chance to ask the question. “ma’am, I love you lipstick but always thought it was against the regulations. I must have missed the change, can we discuss this so I understand better?” We see changes every day and some we may not know and some they may not know. This provides an opportunity for each to learn. If all you want to do is openly confront... it does no one any good.

Response by LCpl Chad Swetmore made Aug 2 at 2019 10:56 PM

LCpl Chad Swetmore — Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:56:28 -0400

If it was the Marine corps I would say abso #&&+:_$8 lutely!!!

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2019 3:45 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 03 Aug 2019 03:45:14 -0400

I know this is three years old but for the guys who read this later down the line. I as an E-5 corrected on 0-5. It's all about respect. You don't correct the senior, you invite their attention to the regulation in a quiet manner away from any subordinats. The goal isn't to shame them.

Response by PO1 Jay Sinyard made Aug 3 at 2019 1:02 PM

PO1 Jay Sinyard — Sat, 03 Aug 2019 13:02:39 -0400

I understand your predicament. Definitely try to enlist someone more senior to address this. Timing of having this to be addressed takes finesse.

Response by Maj Thor Hauff made Aug 3 at 2019 1:54 PM

Maj Thor Hauff — Sat, 03 Aug 2019 13:54:52 -0400

Yes of course you do. The regs are there for a reason. If the person is a higher rank and deserve the rank. They will thank you and apologize for their oversight. If a legitimate reason. For example they don’t have head gear on and you ask “sir or ma’am. You forgot to put on your headgear”...”Thank you for pointing that out. I have a profile due to sutures/staples.” and you both drive on.

Response by SFC Tracy Scott made Aug 4 at 2019 12:47 AM

SFC Tracy Scott — Sun, 04 Aug 2019 00:47:27 -0400

You most definitely have the right to correct a situation involving a soldier that is noncompliant with the standard regulations, ad an NCO, it is expected that the standards and regulations be maintained, now that correction on any soldier should be done with tact and respect.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 4 at 2019 6:22 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 04 Aug 2019 18:22:57 -0400

Yes it is appropriate as long as you confront them in a respectful manner and can site the regulation in which they are breaking.

Response by SFC Jorge Gonzalez Jr made Aug 4 at 2019 7:04 PM

SFC Jorge Gonzalez Jr — Sun, 04 Aug 2019 19:04:14 -0400

Yes you do it with tact

Response by SPC Mark Kennedy made Aug 4 at 2019 9:04 PM

SPC Mark Kennedy — Sun, 04 Aug 2019 21:04:01 -0400

My former 1SG had a quote in his office. “If you see a problem and do not attempt to correct it, you have just accepted a new standard”.

Response by SGT James Halstead made Aug 5 at 2019 1:32 AM

SGT James Halstead — Mon, 05 Aug 2019 01:32:13 -0400

Integrity! Be professional, be polite but let them know they are setting a bad example for the lower enlisted!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2019 1:24 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Aug 2019 13:24:37 -0400

It is your job. One day you may notice something thats a safety issue and you need to correct that person. You may only have one chance to act.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2019 3:52 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Aug 2019 15:52:18 -0400

You can always correct someone as long as you are within regs yourself and are actually correcting. Make sure you are right and be tactful. You are helping them. Let them decide to fix the problem you are only suggesting she might double check. Tact is the main thing. As an E5 overseas more than once I helped officers that had issues with there uniform. They didn't know I was correcting them. Don't let a buddy or fellow soldier look like like a shit sandwich. Do them the favor before it gets ugly

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2019 6:03 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 05 Aug 2019 18:03:04 -0400

Yes you have every right to say something. But if you feel uncomfortable take it to your first sgt

Response by SPC Troy Britain made Aug 6 at 2019 7:53 AM

SPC Troy Britain — Tue, 06 Aug 2019 07:53:35 -0400

As long as you are respectful about it.

Response by LCpl Cody Collins made Aug 6 at 2019 9:29 AM

LCpl Cody Collins — Tue, 06 Aug 2019 09:29:46 -0400

In my case, being a man. I wouldn't approach her personally, but I would find a high ranking female staff NCO or any officer nearby And ask them to approach or so she can make the correction. When it comes to personal hygiene or grooming Preference Of the opposite sex I stay out of it. Now if it was the issue with the uniform in and of itself and the placement of insignia I Would most definitely help them square themselves away.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2019 1:09 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Aug 2019 13:09:19 -0400

General military authority allows you to correct anyone who is out of regs in a tactful manner.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2019 5:35 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 06 Aug 2019 17:35:56 -0400

Yes! Absolutely!! Wrong is wrong, just be tactful.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2019 6:04 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 08 Aug 2019 18:04:10 -0400

Yes, it is every soldiers responsibility to point out deficiency's. I always tell my soldiers to be respectful and if they get rude walk away and let you supervisor know.

Response by Col James Cooke made Aug 29 at 2019 10:42 PM

Col James Cooke — Thu, 29 Aug 2019 22:42:50 -0400

By the way, the comment I shared a short while ago related to the days when I was a young enlisted troop. I was corrected only once after I was commissioned (that I can recall!),that by a couple of young troops who called out loudly "Hey, Lootenant! Your cap is on backwards!"

Response by SFC Cynthia Eyer made Aug 31 at 2019 4:51 PM

SFC Cynthia Eyer — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:51:56 -0400

I was a SPC assigned to the 34th Gen Hospital in Augsburg, Germany. A 1LT Nurse always wore her hair loosely in a hair band and it always fell down to the middle of her shoulder blades, below her collar. I finally saw her by herself one day in my area and I stopped her and quietly told her she was out of dress code. She squaked at me and raised her voice, telling me her appearance was not my business. I was the Personnel NCOIC at that time. I then had to tell her that she had 30 minutes to be within regulation or I would report her to her supervisor. I purposely went to her wing an hour later and her hair was in regulation. They aren’t always going to be receptive. That’s okay.

Response by SPC Larry Weigel Jr. made Aug 31 at 2019 5:19 PM

SPC Larry Weigel Jr. — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:19:21 -0400

Sure just be careful. Probably best to ask to speak with them privately and address the issue. Just make sure you know what you’re talking about so you don’t look foolish.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2019 8:00 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 20:00:15 -0400

Yes but do it tactfully. Corrections can be made above or below. Being respectful & professional about it is the key.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2019 9:29 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Aug 2019 21:29:05 -0400

Of course! No one is above rules/regs. Be respectful, but don't be bashful or timid: you know the rules and so do they. Before you approach the person in question, make sure you're squared away to prevent unneeded flak. Most times you will walk away with both parties just fine. Don't let them bully you, just kindly inform them and depart.

Response by LTC Warren Miller made Sep 1 at 2019 8:02 PM

LTC Warren Miller — Sun, 01 Sep 2019 20:02:08 -0400

I worked for a Senior Commander who wanted to relieve a subordinate commander. Admittedly there were issues with this young officer and the challenges well documented. In doing my research for procedures and docs, I found neither of us had the authority to initiate the relief, but that it had to be the first General in the chain of command. He was furious when I told him he didn’t have the authority. Thankfully I told him in the phone and not face to face. I got called several names and was threatened with relief myself. Two days later we had a conference call with his SJA who had looked it up and admitted I was in fact correct. The SJA recommended a potential solution and the boss did eventually thank me for saving him from a whole lot of potential legal problems if had he fired the subordinate.

Be direct. Be tactful. Be professional. Be armed, in this case with the correct reg. Body armor optional.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Sep 2 at 2019 1:09 PM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 13:09:31 -0400

Yes you can. However, when confronting a person of higher rank. you must use tact and be PROFESSIONAL. Be prepared to quote the regulation as well.

Response by Capt Gene Leone made Sep 2 at 2019 2:18 PM

Capt Gene Leone — Mon, 02 Sep 2019 14:18:16 -0400

Yes. Been there, seen this, done this. That being said, be prepared for what comes next as your "superior (officer)" [borrowing a line from "Down Periscope" - " ... No, merely a higher ranking one ..."] is going to come down on you like stink on crap. Having grown up a working and rodeo cowboy I've always enjoyed a good fight so for me the choice has always been easy. Most of my commissioned career [I was both enlisted and commissioned] was spent in Intel'. I came to DMA from DIA and was "blessed" with the additional duty of Security Officer. Like the shot monitor, nobody likes the Security Officer. We had an international incident with the Israelis due to a stupid 2d Lieutenant [am I being redundant here?] who sent out Israeli classified as UNCLASSIFIED. Our commander, a "telephone colonel" deliberately kept me totally out of the loop as he knew from experience I took security seriously and gave no slack. Cutting to the chase, I learned by chance of the incident from said 2d Lieutenant and laid out the specific reg's and consequence options. I was told "... THE GAWD DAMN REGULATIONS AREN'T ETCHED IN GRANITE, YOU KNOW!" to wit I told el Comandante if he didn't take appropriate action I would forward it directly to our parent command, Defense Mapping Agency, in Reston VA. He ordered me not to. His "order" was illegal and I forwarded everything I had. The coverup went all the way to a BG in DMA. What nobody anticipated, however, was before working for DIA I flew with SAC where you live and die by the reg's. Further, being your basic sneaky shit by nature, I RECORDED all our conversations concerning "the incident". The aforementioned BG flew to Cheyenne to tell me personally he was "...considering charging you [me] with ''mutiny'". When I was enlisted, I was an Army "!! Bravo" and my area of operation was the A Shau Valley. General officers did not "intimidate" me because they were and are not the entire North Vietnamese Army trying to kill me. Due to my background in "tradecraft", I was able to see justice done. The BG "retired" along with el Comandante, a GS-14, two GS-13's, several lower lowlifes and our IQ challenged 2d Lieutenant who was transferred to Minot, ND. So here is what you need to do: There are numerous digital DVR's you can buy that are in such innocuous things like fully functional ballpoint pens, wristwatches, key fobs, digital voice recorders and the like. I used a micro cassette recorder in a three ring binder with my security reg's but that was back in the mid-80's. Technology has advanced tremendously and the prices are "give away". Buy several different DVR's and keep at least one on you at all times; preferably two. If and when the repercussions begin, contact the JAG with your transcribed recordings. BE CERTAIN TO MAKE BACKUPS OF EVERYTHING; MULTIPLE BACKUPS. That's just in case things get "lost". DMA hadn't expected that when my desk was rifled one weekend. What they took ... excuse me, what was "misplaced" was one of the backups; not the original. So again, YES, when an order violates regulations and laws like, in my case, the Espionage Act, confront said "higher ranking" person(s) with the regulations in hand. Good luck.

Response by SFC Oddie Brown made Sep 3 at 2019 7:56 PM

SFC Oddie Brown — Tue, 03 Sep 2019 19:56:11 -0400

Years ago I had a Bn CSM that used to tell us, "Every time you walk by a piece of trash, cigarette butt or a violation of any kind, if you do NOT address it, YOU just set a new standard." Best advice I ever heard and used it myself for the rest of my career. So yes, I would have addressed it TACTFULLY AND RESPECTFULLY then I would move on. For what it's worth I was told once I was as tactful as a rusty nail, LOL.

Response by MSgt Don Dobbs made Sep 5 at 2019 9:23 AM

MSgt Don Dobbs — Thu, 05 Sep 2019 09:23:33 -0400

Using tact and diplomacy is the way to go but always point out and make correction regardless of rank. I once asked a Major General to please button his pocket as there were over a hundred basic trainees watching him. I actually placed a 1st Lt under apprehension for violating the UCMJ for which she was later court martialed. If you are ever corrected by someone who is of lesser rank, make the correction, thank them and go on your way. After all it's a two way street.

Response by SSG Mark Franzen made Sep 7 at 2019 7:10 PM

SSG Mark Franzen — Sat, 07 Sep 2019 19:10:04 -0400

I would wait and talk to her away from people and ask her respectfully If its CSM then address to rank and ask. SSG MARK A FRANZEN
USA COLD WAR VETERAN

Response by SSG Franklin Briant made Sep 30 at 2019 12:10 AM

SSG Franklin Briant — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 00:10:06 -0400

You must remember your military bearing and stay within regulations yourself. Pointing regulation violations is your duty as a service member but you must remember to respect the rank and uniform while correcting or pointing out a violation. During my 20 year career I have had to do this, and although it was uncomfortable when I pointed out the infraction the rank was pleased with the way it was handled.

Response by SSG Tom Montgomery made Oct 7 at 2019 2:35 AM

SSG Tom Montgomery — Mon, 07 Oct 2019 02:35:44 -0400

Always be tactful, friendly and respectful. Also remember to check your complaint first. Make sure you are right. Remember, you should always be respectful, especially those with higher rank.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 10 at 2019 3:39 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Oct 2019 03:39:10 -0400

Yes you can but it must be done in a very respectful way

Response by SSG George Holtje made Oct 21 at 2019 11:59 PM

SSG George Holtje — Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:59:49 -0400

Posting pics without permission of the individual is not really a way to go either.

Respectfully, Tactfully, at a low volume.

Response by SSG Wayne Wood made Oct 29 at 2019 8:00 PM

SSG Wayne Wood — Tue, 29 Oct 2019 20:00:16 -0400

I agree with the others. Tact is the key.

I've shared an example elsewhere, but as this question has come up a personal experience bears repeating. I was an E-5 with the 82nd at Ft Bragg. One day I was coming out of the store on my way home when I saw three senior NCOs getting out of their car, as I recall there were two E-7s and one E-8 Master Sergeant. It was about 1983 and they were in their Class B's (Greens Trousers with Gray-green shirt). None of them put on headgear when they got out of the car. I noticed National Guard tags on their car and figured they were at Bragg for Summer Camp.

As they walked across the parking lot in my direction I debated what to do. All these guys outranked me. At the same time...

So I swallowed and said, "Excuse me Sergeants. The Courtesy Patrol is active around here and they'll nab you for being uncovered. That was true.

They paused a moment. I saw one of the E-7s kind of flush. He didn't appreciate being corrected by an E-5. But the E-8 spoke first, "You're right. Thanks Sergeant." He looked at his friends, "The last thing we need is a DR for not wearing a hat offpost."

I breathed a sigh of relief and went on my way.
Tact. It was a learned virtue.

Response by SSG Ronald Rollins made Nov 3 at 2019 4:57 PM

SSG Ronald Rollins — Sun, 03 Nov 2019 16:57:24 -0500

While it is said an on the spot correction is what should be done, if may get you rolled up also. I, as a SSGt in the army, made a correction to a SPC. I get a call from EO. Now I was the EO rep for the company. I carried the reg in my car and showed her where she was wrong. if I did not know the EO I would have lost my career. 90% of female claim males do t know the regs and are harassing them. I seen it and handled it. if it does not come back in their favor, they claim it is rigged and more harassment. vicious circle.

Response by SPC Nilza Rivera made Nov 23 at 2019 9:47 AM

SPC Nilza Rivera — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:47:01 -0500

Honestly I’ve seen a lot but, I did approach and understood the regulations and politely quoted with my respect.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2019 10:04 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:04:28 -0500

ABSOLUTELY confront anyone, respectfully, when they are out of regs. They may not even realize they're wrong. Your obligation as a servicemember is to be a Wingman....have their six. Please don't let rank scare you, but be 100% sure you know your regs first.

Response by 1LT A. Uribe made Nov 23 at 2019 10:04 PM

1LT A. Uribe — Sat, 23 Nov 2019 22:04:02 -0500

She looks like my last commander
CPT Yun Hee Kim

Response by 2LT Gerald Dominy made Nov 27 at 2019 11:48 AM

2LT Gerald Dominy — Wed, 27 Nov 2019 11:48:11 -0500

True story I had this lieutenant over my section that had just got his first lieutenant bars I guess he might have been feeling his oats. I just left the barber for my 2-week haircut I walk into the section and lieutenant tells me to go get a haircut then I'm out of regs. I knew for a fact I wasn't it was summertime and I had them cut it extra close. I acknowledged his order confirm with a couple other non-commissioned officers inquiring if my hair meeting regulations in this received not one single remark to the contrary of meeting regulations. I went about my business 2 weeks later I just came back from the barber shop again and was told by the lieutenant to go get a haircut or be charged with disobeying a direct order. By this time it was getting asinine. On my way out to return to the barber I hit every senior NCO I knew on the way out the door inquiring of my hair meeting regulations I stopped and visit the first sergeant and Commander they both remarked it was fine. I went back to my barber explain to her that I had an anal-retentive lieutenant and she trimmed it again for free. I came back into the unit stop the visit the first sergeant and Commander and explain to them why I had asked them about my haircut and regulations that the lieutenant was insisting I go get another haircut and also that the lieutenant hair was touching his ears and his haircut was out of regulations exception noted dismissed In a respectful manner.. I checked with most of the senior ncos on the way to the Lieutenant's office they all commented it was fine the first time. I met the lieutenant outside his office he commented that's how it's supposed to be. I respectfully said to Lieutenant.." sir could I speak to you in private please" we went into his office and I explained " sir you are an example to the men and women here and I regret to inform you that your hair is touching your ears sir and is out of regulations" the Lieutenant snapped off exception noted dismissed. Which was done in a slightly snarky manner. I went on my Merry way and done my job and done my duty and didn't say anything to anybody else from there. About three weeks later the major got a hold of the lieutenant and I understand he chewed up both cheeks and spit out pieces. The next day the lieutenant came in and they had a Kim Jong Un bowl haircut. His hair was shaved about an inch above his ears all the way down the side of his head. He had an afro and his ears laid close to his head. But his hair didn't touch his ears now.. I had nothing personal against lieutenant but he departed from us about a year later to other pastures. But after the threat I'm being charged with disobeying a direct order and the asinine request to get another haircut after I had a fully compliant haircut was just a little too much. Even if you shaved my head my hair was so thick it look like I didn't have a haircut I was even accused of being out of regulations in basic training because my hair was so thick. They wanted to see scalp and even if you cut it close you couldn't see scalp unless I shaved it and that didn't last for long. Classic rule I can give you is praise in public and criticize in private but from experience take notes cover your ass too much rank has its privileges has run amok and all of the branches and there's no longer a moral turpitude clause in the UCMJ to protect you from a revengeful superior.. that in my opinion is the problem in the military no accountability UP the chain. I've seen far too much corruption in three branches I've served in.

Response by MGySgt Rick Tyrrell made Dec 1 at 2019 3:31 PM

MGySgt Rick Tyrrell — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 15:31:08 -0500

You have three choices: 1) correct her on the spot respectively, 2) find someone of equal or higher rank in chow hall to correct her, 3) do nothing like you did which is wrong.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Dec 1 at 2019 9:33 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Sun, 01 Dec 2019 21:33:27 -0500

You can correct someone who out ranks you. You need to pull them to the side and be respectful. Just in case, show them what regulation it is and maybe what it says specifically. If they pull rank on you or become disrespectful, get their rank, their name, and their unit (if possible), and use your chain of command. You did what you knew was right; it’s no use fighting over it with that person. Beyond correcting them, there is not much else you can do.

Response by PO2 George Cicotte made Dec 6 at 2019 4:10 PM

PO2 George Cicotte — Fri, 06 Dec 2019 16:10:27 -0500

Depends on the command. Once (many years ago) I was eating "mid-rats," or rations for those coming off the midnight watch on our submarine. I tried the cottage cheese and it tasted like sawdust. The Chief of the Boat (think CSM) sat down across from me with a big bowl. I told him he wasn't going to like it. He said, "I LOVE this stuff!" I repeated my warning. He took one bite, and went to talk to the cook. I always followed the protocol to get someone higher in rank than me to be upset with the regulation-breaker, without "tattling." The COB got up and went to ask the cook WT*. The cook, who outranked me, wasn't going to talk back to the E-9. He simply pointed to an olive drab paint can, stenciled in black lettering:
"CHEESE, COTTAGE, RECONSTITUTED PACKING DATE JULY 1945."
Unfortunately, and apparently, the cook wasn't actually breaking any regulations. More's the pity. The rations were left over from the invasion of Japan that didn't happen, else it would have been my father (US Army Air Corps) who would have been stuck eating it.

Response by SGT Gregory Yelland made Dec 8 at 2019 7:23 PM

SGT Gregory Yelland — Sun, 08 Dec 2019 19:23:10 -0500

Ok, two points I have to make;
First - As a leader; or potential one, everyone in the Military is Obligated to Politely and discretely question the validity of any activity that is, or might be in violation of the UCMJ and Uniform Regulations. One big difference between the Civilian world and the Military one is; the Military trains their replacements.
Second point - and this one frosts me the most: The comments about photographic proof of the 'alleged' infraction. Oh, dear the poor little person (who may have knowingly and willingly been breaking the rules about lipstick color) didn't give their permission to have their picture taken. Yet, they have no problem walking around flaunting their disregard for the reputation of those in the Military as being a Professional Organization both in Appearance as well as in Performance.
Remember a photograph is worth a thousand words and CAN'T be denied (unless it is edited.) In the United States, the citizens are on camera Much more often then most people realize: from ATMs to store cameras to traffic cams to being caught in the background of someone's Facebook entry or webcam pictures. In My opinion: the only valid objection anyone has to their picture being taken is if the 'photographer' makes money from it and doesn't get your permission for that purpose.

Response by GySgt Ken Norwood made Dec 9 at 2019 1:51 AM

GySgt Ken Norwood — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 01:51:30 -0500

When I was on I&I duty in Texas the reserve unit got a new Colonel as their CO, I was a Gunnery Sergeant. At his first conference with his staff I was present. My desk was at the end of the conference table. When he finished talking he ask if anyone had anything for him. He was wearing an ink pen inappropriately on his uniform I advised him before he went out to walk about among the enlisted personnel he needed to remove the ink pen. He said “Is that what you think I should do Gunny?” I explained which Marine Corps uniform regulation he was violating and said “Yes Sir I do and so does the Commandant.” He removed the pen. So in answer to your question, yes it is appropriate but you better have all of your duck in a row and understand their may be repercussions!

Response by SFC Howard Holmes made Dec 9 at 2019 12:36 PM

SFC Howard Holmes — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 12:36:38 -0500

No, ONE Does NOT CONFRONT an individual of a higher rank, however, it is the obligation of all soldiers, regardless of rank, to uphold the integrity and good discipline of the military, so it is absolutely acceptable for a person of a lower rank to make the senior aware of the violation, or behavior which has a negative reflection of the military. Those who are not NCO'es, I understand their hesitancy or not doing so, but if you are an NCO or above, one actually has an obligation to address the issue. Do not do it disrespectfully, do it with tact, professionalism, and most of all, make certain you know what you are talking about when addressing the issue.

Response by SGT John Graham made Dec 27 at 2019 3:12 PM

SGT John Graham — Fri, 27 Dec 2019 15:12:51 -0500

A person in contrast with regulation should be made aware that they are in violation. You may tactfully confront them or request a person holding higher rank to confront and advise them. I am sure the Major General and his or her aides noticed the violation. The violation may be minor, but she is flaunting her disregard for rank and regulation. If she wants to retain rank she has to respect rank. I was Army and understand each branch have their own way of dealing with appearance violations...that said, a First Sgt. or C.M. Sgt. would take immediate and direct action.

Response by SFC Richard Williamson made Dec 29 at 2019 8:32 AM

SFC Richard Williamson — Sun, 29 Dec 2019 08:32:02 -0500

If you know how to be tactful, you have every right. In case you're like I was a few years ago, I had no idea what tact was and then a MSG enlightened me: Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to Hell and make them look forward to the trip. Be Kind!

Response by Cpl Donny Jordan made Dec 31 at 2019 9:51 PM

Cpl Donny Jordan — Tue, 31 Dec 2019 21:51:16 -0500

Yes you should say something, but only use the chain of command to do so. Write a formal complaint and send it up the chain of command.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Jan 6 at 2020 12:01 PM

SSgt Boyd Herrst — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 12:01:04 -0500

Pics very good and she appeared to be of a racial group that easily plays the “race card” for anything they To get away with.
You could do it privately., which is the right way. Or anonymously by doing a
“What’s wrong with this pic?” and make sure her rank is seen. The base paper would put a bar where her eyes are ..

Response by SGT Mark Burns made Jan 6 at 2020 3:40 PM

SGT Mark Burns — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 15:40:46 -0500

Yes, but as with what everyone else has stated with tact.

Response by Kenn Evans made Jan 8 at 2020 6:31 PM

Kenn Evans — Wed, 08 Jan 2020 18:31:29 -0500

Get their attention and ask if you can ask a question in private. It avoids public embarrassment and use a buddy system if person is of opposite sex. Most will be respectful and will give you the time and make life easier.

Response by Jerry Rivas made Jan 20 at 2020 7:08 AM

Jerry Rivas — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 07:08:54 -0500

Do it respectfully.....But firmly and with confidence. Make sure you are right first, then proceed.

Response by SPC Brian Pritchard/Hall made Jan 23 at 2020 9:04 AM

SPC Brian Pritchard/Hall — Thu, 23 Jan 2020 09:04:51 -0500

Remember the art of tact defines as the ability to tell someone to kiss your ass and have them thank you when your done.
In this case seems like it would have near been impossible.

Response by Sgt Jon Mcvay made Jan 24 at 2020 6:42 AM

Sgt Jon Mcvay — Fri, 24 Jan 2020 06:42:59 -0500

With everything in life your best to use allot of tact. Ask the person in private behind closed doors if possible. I would mention that other service members brought it to your attention. That is why you are asking in private not wanting to front the soldier off. If this person has been doing this for along time like 6 months. Then I would say that Command is fully aware of it and they find it acceptable. You could say something like this. " I like your lipstick color, but there were some Airmen that noticed it to and they felt that it's out of regulation. " I dont know all the regs can you help me to understand them better."

Response by CAPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2020 9:27 AM

CAPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 24 Jan 2020 09:27:01 -0500

Yes, it is appropriate. You just need to do it in a respectful manner. I've been corrected a few times in my career, and I would rather have someone junior to me correct me before I run into someone who outranks me looking like a clown. It's called looking out for each other, and you shouldn't be crapped on for doing it.

Response by MSgt Jeff Brown made Jan 27 at 2020 6:29 PM

MSgt Jeff Brown — Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:29:19 -0500

I've made uniform corrections, both above my rank and below. The idea is to be courteous regardless of the other person's rank, but above all be correct. And make sure you're squared away first. As an A1C, I once told a captain she had her nametag and ribbons reversed. She immediately went into a nearby bathroom and fixed the problem, then came out and commended me and also told my boss. I usually approached such things in the manner of, "I don't want to have anyone embarrass you, but . . . " There's no need to degrade someone who's made an honest mistake while getting dressed in the morning. On the other hand, if they're blatantly thumbing their noses at the regs, then it's time to get on their case.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Jan 30 at 2020 3:27 PM

CSM David Heidke — Thu, 30 Jan 2020 15:27:05 -0500

I once saw a captain with his bars on his uniform horizontal to the floor instead of vertical. I asked the Colonel with me to make the correction instead. You should also pick your battles carefully. Someone who would blatantly wear this might not care to be corrected and make a scene. And I totally agree with CSM Stuart C. O'Black that it should be done with tact.

Once, I was wearing a uniform shirt that had the drill sergeant badge sewed on the wrong side. I bought the shirt like that so I didn't check it. A specialist corrected me by asking if it was on the wrong side. I thanked him and promptly removed the patch in front of him. The place is now out of business.

Response by MSgt Jeff Brown made Jan 31 at 2020 7:43 PM

MSgt Jeff Brown — Fri, 31 Jan 2020 19:43:44 -0500

It's also interesting to confront a person when you're retired. I was in an auto parts store and one of the clerks, an A1C who must have been working a part-time job, was wearing her AF fleece jacket with her nametapes and rank still attached (she was wearing civilian clothes with the jacket). If I'd been on active duty, I'd have had a senior NCO moment with her. But I'm not, so I said, "You might want to take off those nametapes and your rank before someone on active duty comes in here and has a word with you." And I left. Wasn't much else I could do.

Response by SFC Dave Nutter made Feb 4 at 2020 8:20 PM

SFC Dave Nutter — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 20:20:27 -0500

Many year ago me as an SSG and a WO were returning to Ft. Bliss from a TDY. There was a LTC with material clearly marked as "secret" out and open on his tray table. Hey got really upset when I tactfully suggested that material should not be open for anyone the aircraft to see and started berating me. The WO I was traveling with came to my defense and calmly suggested that if the LTC insisted on compromising classified material he could have the flight crew radio ahead and have some MPs meet us at the gate. He put the stuff away.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2020 11:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 04 Feb 2020 23:44:08 -0500

Yes and no provided the circumstances. No matter your rank as a service member you are held to the same standards you enforce and are expected to comform to them at the highest level. If you are confident and know the person you sort of have an expectation to do so, but make sure you're fully aware and sure of the violation. Also if you do address it, address it with high respect to rank with no implication that you are trying to get arise or reaction from them. This was discussed in our unit not long ago. Do as you see necessary, but with honor, respect, and the best interest. If someone appreciates your approach then they possess wisdom. If someone retaliates with anger and uses rank to over power you because of your act, then that is a person of great ignorance who repells the urge and hopes of obtaining great wisdom to become the best leader.

Response by SGT Kenneth Duncan made Feb 10 at 2020 10:37 AM

SGT Kenneth Duncan — Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:37:43 -0500

Never confront a superior in front of everyone else, it makes them angry and defensive. I always did what I was told to do. When I had any problems, I would go to that persons superior and ask questions. If the person was wrong, then I would inform their Superior of what had happened. I always got jobs working for the Commanders.

Response by SPC Dennis Kregel made Feb 11 at 2020 5:54 PM

SPC Dennis Kregel — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 17:54:20 -0500

You absolutely should have tactfully approached her and privately discussed the discrepancy with her.

Look at it this way. Who is more "wrong", someone who made a mistake or the person who identified the mistake but failed to correct it?

Response by Lt Col Ira Flax made Feb 13 at 2020 11:06 PM

Lt Col Ira Flax — Thu, 13 Feb 2020 23:06:10 -0500

I reversed my name tag and professional badge. I walk into a squadron the CMS flanks me, and says; " I've got the papers you asked for in my office." I never met the Chief before. He turns me around and whispers "sir your name tag is on the wrong side."

Response by SSG Red Hoffman made Feb 15 at 2020 3:51 PM

SSG Red Hoffman — Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:51:53 -0500

The word 'confront' is the improper word here. You as a lower rank must not 'confront'...however, that said, there is a tactically good way to approach this. You could start by complimenting her choice of lipstick and then ask if it is against regs. End the conversation respectfully and move on. Just my advice.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2020 12:13 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 12:13:12 -0500

Anytime this situation arises and you decide to act on it talk in private.

Response by SP5 Charles Goldsmith made Feb 21 at 2020 4:38 PM

SP5 Charles Goldsmith — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:38:43 -0500

Let the SSGT get burned. Keep tour nose clean.

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Feb 21 at 2020 5:04 PM

SPC Greg Campbell — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 17:04:43 -0500

knew most all the Lts in my unit, I liked to tell them their rank usupside down.

Response by 2LT Brad Klopp made Feb 21 at 2020 5:53 PM

2LT Brad Klopp — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 17:53:04 -0500

It’s a good question! In my experience I remember attending BOLC II Army OCS in Oklahoma when I was confronted by a female captain who felt my hair was too long. I had just gotten a fresh haircut the day before, she chastised the SHIT out of me in front of my peers in a demeaning and belittling way. I swear I looked squared away and was in regulation, I could only assume her criticism came from the fact I wasn’t wearing a “ High & Tight “ which was NOT! Mandatory.
I maintained my military bearing as a 2nd LT. Being confronted by a Captain.
Regardless, she was an African American Female Soldier with “ Blonde “ highlights in her hair ( FUCKING BLONDE!) No kidding.
I responded, “ Mam, your hair is longer than mine...” she started to fume! & responded, “ I am a female Soldier!...” my response was “ ONE TEAM ONE FIGHT MAM...” at this point she commanded “ Square yourself away LT!...” I responded
“ Yes Mam, as soon as you take care of those highlights.” Words cannot express the look on her face, she didn’t know weather to SHIT, or GO BLIND!
Most service members will not win the battle of right and wrong between a superior and self.
Lessons I learned from this are many and perhaps from hearing this unbelievably true antidote you can benefit a little from another service member’s experience.
One of the things I learned in this situation is a superior, regardless of rank, Officer or Enlised, will pull rank on you and try and justify their position.
Do you really want the situation addressed?
Don’t confront the UNSAT, leader, request mass to the persons immediate supervisor and report the incident.
If a leader is arrogant enough to break regulations, I promise you they will be arrogant enough to defend their “UNSAT ESS...” But do you really want accountability and a change for what is proper?
The answer is not in confronting the culprit but “ REPORTING “ them.
Case in point the “ Black lipstick “ don’t even try to confront the situation, it’s a loosing battle, but reporting that superior would not only be appropriate but effective.
I shared my experience not to provoke your response or motivate you to respond a certain way should something like this ever occur again, but to provide an understanding of my experience in a similar situation.
In short , “ How do you deal with this situation?”... REPORT!!!! Don’t confront.
Good luck

Response by SSG Vern Seybold made Feb 21 at 2020 8:58 PM

SSG Vern Seybold — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:58:02 -0500

Address at a time when your alone with the soldier regardless of rank

Response by MSgt Jon Wedel made Feb 22 at 2020 8:33 AM

MSgt Jon Wedel — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 08:33:00 -0500

Yes it is appropriate to do so. Rank doesn’t allow for disregarding the AFI. The appropriate approach would be Ma’am can I speak to you for a second? Walk away from everyone else and ask her if she knew her lipstick was outside what’s allowed in the AFI. Someone in her chain should’ve caught it long before you but they failed so it’s good you’re willing to step up.

Response by MAJ Steve Daugherty made Feb 22 at 2020 9:11 AM

MAJ Steve Daugherty — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:11:44 -0500

This made the staff sgt. look ridiculous and that will bring it’s own retribution in embarrassment

Response by SGT Brian Littrel made Feb 22 at 2020 1:06 PM

SGT Brian Littrel — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 13:06:35 -0500

Never walk past mistakes. Be courteous when making on the spot corrections to all ranks. Treat each other with professional courtesy.

Response by Sgt Susan Mcneely made Feb 22 at 2020 10:27 PM

Sgt Susan Mcneely — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 22:27:50 -0500

Also be aware there are some very specific regulations for different jobs, such as no wearing your cover on a flight line due to it having a metal button on top and as such could cause a hazard to her engines. I was yelled at by a butter bar lieutenant while on the flightline working because I was not wearing my hat. When I told him about the local regulation he escorted me to squadron Chief Master Sergeant to have me written up. My chief then very politely chewed him a new see as he showed him the local regulation and explained to him he should have read it already in his in processing briefing papers. So know your regs people!

Response by SFC David Warren made Feb 23 at 2020 2:43 PM

SFC David Warren — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 14:43:40 -0500

Ha! I’m a old old old army retired Vietnam vet. When you were still State side you wouldn’t see anything like that period. When in country that changed, all spit and shine we’re gone. Rank mattered but only if they deserved it, not how they dressed. Just saying for what that’s worth

Response by MSgt Mike Sullivan made Feb 23 at 2020 4:58 PM

MSgt Mike Sullivan — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:58:49 -0500

Yes. As a SSgt I asked a LTC to remove his hat inside a K-mart

Response by PO1 David Jordon made Feb 23 at 2020 8:18 PM

PO1 David Jordon — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 20:18:25 -0500

The proper way to handle this situation has always been this. And I am surprised nobody has mentioned it, if you are a senior person to you out of regs, you are to find a higher ranking person to the the person out of regs, explain the situation to them, and let them handle it. Even though this person is out of regs, it is not your place to confront them.You do not have the authority to do this.And this can lead to a very bad situation the next time You confront this person.Time
So find a higher ranking person in the area, and let them handle it.

Response by SP5 Gary Smith made Feb 23 at 2020 10:00 PM

SP5 Gary Smith — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 22:00:44 -0500

Troopers keep your mouth shut. Geez. What happened to my Army?

Response by SGT Robert Schaefer made Feb 24 at 2020 12:17 PM

SGT Robert Schaefer — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:17:04 -0500

Yes I did it in Afghanistan in 2012. An Afghanistan soldier drove a bulldozer over a septic tank and it fell in. I was ordered to get it out and I told the chain of command with all due respect no sir.

Response by MSgt Brett Martyn-Dow made Feb 24 at 2020 7:56 PM

MSgt Brett Martyn-Dow — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 19:56:16 -0500

Someone with more rank could have questioned her SUPERVISOR...

Response by Sgt Oz Dillon made Feb 26 at 2020 12:18 PM

Sgt Oz Dillon — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 12:18:00 -0500

I braced a USAF General once, for non regulation footwear, while waiting for a plane home.

Response by SGT Robert Schaefer made Feb 26 at 2020 5:31 PM

SGT Robert Schaefer — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 17:31:56 -0500

OMG, it looked like she just smeared it on her self. Yes, I would have said to her with all due respect your make up is out of regulations. I was at this store outside of FT. Bragg and there was a 1st SGT in uniform standing there with both hands in his pockets. Right in front of E3'S & SPC'S & I walked up to him and said with all due respect 1st SGT you might want to take your hands out of your pockets you are showing a bad example for the lower enlisted. And he gave me an attitude and said no my hands are not in my pockets. And started to argue and I just walked away.

Response by CPT John Gray made Mar 25 at 2020 12:35 AM

CPT John Gray — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:35:26 -0400

Yes. I did as a Drill Instructor, the officer had his hands in his pockets. I approached him, saluted and asked, how was I to instruct the trainees when he was disregarding the rules. He immediately understood, case closed.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 28 at 2020 1:55 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:55:05 -0400

Wow, she is so out of regs! Best thing to do, is casually walk up to her, ask her an unrelated question and then tell her (nice and respectful) if she knows she's out of regs with that lipstick. If she pulls the "rank card", note her name, rank and what squadron she is from. I have noticed now, that patches on the OCP uniform is limited. So maybe the officers acompanying that two star might make a point to her. ☺

Response by CMSgt Lloyd French made Apr 10 at 2020 11:03 AM

CMSgt Lloyd French — Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:03:15 -0400

Praise in public and criticize in private. Pull them aside, state your case (starting with "I mean no disrespect..." and walk away. A mature, senior-ranking member will usually thank you for the "polite dressing down" and take it to heart. Of course it could blow up...in that case, answer questions about your name, unit, etc. but don't get into a shouting match and beat a hasty retreat.

Response by Sgt Nick Graham made Apr 15 at 2020 2:38 PM

Sgt Nick Graham — Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:38:02 -0400

It's kind of a yes and no question while it isn't against regulations to correct someone higher rank than you it's very much a double edged sword because depending on who is there and how fragile that SNCO's ego is you could still get an add chewing which is why most people are too afraid to correct higher ups because at the end of the day no one wants to be publicly humiliated.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Apr 19 at 2020 8:13 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sun, 19 Apr 2020 08:13:14 -0400

As long as you use tact, ABSOLUTELY.

Response by SSG Eric Blue made Apr 21 at 2020 11:49 AM

SSG Eric Blue — Tue, 21 Apr 2020 11:49:07 -0400

Another time was when I was assigned to Fort Wainwright, Alaska. The Army was transitioning to the black beret at the time and the non-Airborne unit I was assigned to was used to wearing the patrol caps only. I had come from Bragg, so I knew how to wear the beret correctly. On the day of the beret donning ceremony, my 1SG's beret was done to the wrong side. I had noticed it once I got in formation. There was nothing I could do about it being four ranks to my 1SG's rear, so I told my PLT SGT to let him know...which he did. My 1SG gave my PLT SGT charge of the formation and winked at me to say 'thank you' on his way out.

Response by A1C David Johnson made May 7 at 2020 2:19 PM

A1C David Johnson — Thu, 07 May 2020 14:19:51 -0400

If I was their friend I would have definitely told them. It seemed when I was in decades ago, we things go, unless it would rain down a hurt on our unit. You would would need to know the person, they might be thankful or revengeful

If you are on duty and a SP or etc, at least years ago, if in the line of duty, you are alwasy one ranch higher; remember having to deal with a Major who could hardly walk, that wanted to go to town from Base, by the base bus. He would not listen to me, and get off the bus, just being a Airmen First Class, so called the SP Command Center and the Sq commander came out and almost literally pulled him off the bus by his ears and put him into his car and took him away.

Response by CPO Jeffrey Bohemier made May 17 at 2020 10:03 AM

CPO Jeffrey Bohemier — Sun, 17 May 2020 10:03:29 -0400

Nowhere in the UCMJ does it say that someone of a lower rank cannot correct someone else of a higher rank. As an E-1, you technically have the right to correct an Officer, even if he’s an O-9. Of course, there’s a bit of common sense that should apply. First, be absolutely sure that you are in the right. And second, be respectful of the rank which that person has (hopefully) earned, as well as the position for which they’re assigned in. With that said, THEORETICALLY, there really shouldn’t be an issue. And for those who’ve ACTUALLY paid attention when they were developing their leadership skills (I say that cavalierly, as from many of the comments that I’ve seen in here, the military’s leadership has a VERY LONG, LONG WAYS TO GO, ESPECIALLY IN THE UPPER ENLISTED RANKS WHERE THE ATTITUDE OF “well, I had to do it” was their justification for not correcting piss poor leadership skills from the past) this won’t be an issue. But in the part that I put in parentheses lies true, expect problems. I often felt with senior enlisted when I was in that had that same type of attitude...’I’M THE BIG BAD (insert Chief, First Sargent, Gunny Sargent here), WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO TELL ME OR CORRECT ME ON WHAT I’M SUPPOSED TO DO?!??!!! I actually knew an E-6 that would go around with something wrong just so he could jump down lower ranking members’ throats when they attempted to correct him. He thought it was funny. I saw NOTHING funny about it. So along with the right to respectfully correct someone comes the right to put that person on report. But don’t take that lightly. You shouldn’t EVER place anyone on report until all lesser means have failed. It’s a last resort measure. But in doing so, make sure that you have proof of the violation, along with a record of everything you’ve done to correct that violation up until now. Others will try to convince you that you have no right to put a higher ranking person on report. Ask them to show you exactly where in the UCMJ that it says such a thing. IT DOESN’T. It doesn’t say you can either. But that’s not required, because the UCMJ is geared to what you can’t do, not what you can. For your evidence, I highly recommend that you take a picture with your camera phone. Camera phones are terrific. They’ve brought to light numerous abuses by those that have been put in positions of authority. Don’t hesitate to use it if needed. But don’t go posting stuff on YouTube or any other public site that’s taken on ANY MILITARY INSTALLATION no matter how trivial you think the topic of such a video might be or how benign the background of your video may appear. There’s people out there that want nothing more than to harm American Service Members. Something may be in your video that you didn’t even notice such as the layout of the base’s cafeteria that may be useful to such a person. ALWAYS KEEP OPSEC FIRST AND FOREMOST.

There are ways of putting an Officer on report as well. In the Navy, you simply requested Captain’s Mast. That’s your right. Captain’s Mast isn’t just a means for the CO to administer nonjudicial punishment. It’s also a means of forcing the Chain of Command to correct a serious issue, often one that’s been squashed by that chain that doesn’t want to either deal with it or that knows that they could be in serious trouble if such information came to light. Captain’s Mast requires detailed records that you have the right to obtain and push further up the Chain of Command, above that of your current command. And it works. I’ve seen serious problems suddenly and quickly get resolved simply because such a request was even threatened.

I’ve posted more than this issue should ever require. But it applies to numerous different issues regardless. The key take away(s) are 1) Be respectful of BOTH rank and job position, 2) make sure that you are correct, 3) make sure that you have evidence of the violation, 4) DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, DOCUMENT, 5) a report up the chain is the LAST STEP after all others have failed, 6) don’t violate OPSEC. And here I can add a 6th....NEVER GO AROUND BOOSTING ABOUT WHAT YOU HAD TO DO. You might come to regret that. Remember, these are people you have to work with. If not now, you might just find them in your Chain elsewhere. Respect goes well above and beyond the moment.

Response by PO2 Steven Michaeli made May 19 at 2020 5:45 AM

PO2 Steven Michaeli — Tue, 19 May 2020 05:45:02 -0400

Not only is it appropriate for one soldier to point out regulation violations, it's required by regulations. There is no mention of rank in regulations past wearing the rank you've earned.

Response by MSgt Tim Parriah made May 19 at 2020 6:36 PM

MSgt Tim Parriah — Tue, 19 May 2020 18:36:38 -0400

When I was squeaky new airman, a TSgt showed me a tactful way to let someone know they needed a haircut. The new LT was looking a bit shaggy and when he popped in the office my NCO said, "Hey LT, I was going to get a haircut at lunch. Care to tag along?" He didn't take him up on the offer but had a fresh haircut the next morning.

Response by SPC Perry Gresham made May 22 at 2020 6:45 PM

SPC Perry Gresham — Fri, 22 May 2020 18:45:33 -0400

It would be appropriate for someone that out ranked her. Just not you. My opinion.

Response by SFC Laurie Schultz made May 25 at 2020 6:38 PM

SFC Laurie Schultz — Mon, 25 May 2020 18:38:28 -0400

Eh. It’s not black. It’s a dark maroon. Borderline. Are you in the AF? The refs always end up being vague and the final answer is at the discretion of the commander. If it’s not a person in your unit let the commander make that call. I’ve seen black females wear colors that white females can’t because of skin tone. If it were my troop she’d be wiping it off. But I’m Army and we are a bit stricter than the AF. If seen females with makeup nails jewelry and hair that we in the army would never be allowed to wear.

Response by Maj Robert Larkowski made May 27 at 2020 9:31 AM

Maj Robert Larkowski — Wed, 27 May 2020 09:31:46 -0400

As long as you use tact and show respect there should be little reason not to confront your superior.

Response by LCpl Steve Smith made Jun 5 at 2020 4:51 PM

LCpl Steve Smith — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 16:51:24 -0400

Yes... Here's a story from when I was on the Rock (Okinawa, Japan) with 3/5 Motor T My section was at the Motor Pool doing our Regular routines (Ya know PM's and other Motor T shit) when our SgtMaj showed up not wearing Chevrons on his Cammies and the 1st thing out of my SSgt's mouth was how can I help you Private? lol the SgtMaj. was shocked when he said it and his hands went immediately to his Collar and stayed there while he laughed about it saying he couldn't believe he forgot to put on his Chevrons...then said he would be right back and ran out on the Motor Pool (still hiding his collar) saying he'll be right back...We all got a good laugh out of it and the SgtMaj was glad it was brought to his attention in not a serious way and thanked us all for keeping it quite...

And here's another Story same time period (being on the Rock) I got chewed out for my Two Buddies not being in appropriate Civilian attire (one Cpl. and another a Lance like me) while we were walking to the motor pool no belt and holes in their jeans...Guess who stopped us....Our SgtMaj. he was chewing them out telling them to go back to the Barracks and fix themselves then he turns to me and say SMITH! why didn't you make sure they were Locked On! Why are you walking with two Marines looking like a Cluster Fuck! So yes I got heat for not making sure my fellow Marines were NOT in Proper Civilian attire...Keep that in mind, that you can get flack for allowing someone else to be out of Regs. even when the violator out Ranks you...lol Yes I was known by Name by my SgtMaj...a minor screw up when I 1st got to the unit but from that point on hey knew my name and everyone knows it's a bad thing when they know you by Name lol. He was actually a cool guy but I did get in trouble if someone said I was anywhere in the neighborhood when something went wrong even if I had nothing to do with it...lol

Response by SSG Jeffery Satterfield made Jun 5 at 2020 10:05 PM

SSG Jeffery Satterfield — Fri, 05 Jun 2020 22:05:41 -0400

Absolutely, when I was at Letterman Army Medical Center we were in the process of running our required mass casuality situation when one of my soldiers came up and asked if the Col's U.S Army and Name Tape were correct. I looked over and informed the PFC that they were on the wrong side. I then told him to go inform the Col. of this. He was scared to death so I walked over with him, we got the commander to the side. I did pave the way for my troop by saying that he had an observation regarding the commanders uniform. He then informed the commander, The commander looked at his tapes, looked back at the PFC and promptly said "shit, I'm going to have a talk to the cleaners." Told the PFC thank you and we went back to work. about 10 minutes later I looked over and his uniform was correct. He then came over to us and said "See I do know how to dress myself." It is just how you do it.

Response by LCDR Michael Pumilia made Jun 6 at 2020 11:24 AM

LCDR Michael Pumilia — Sat, 06 Jun 2020 11:24:43 -0400

The key is to be respectful, discrete, and direct. You will never know what they were thinking prior to seeing you. Do Not Embarrass or talk down to them. There was a morning on a carrier when I accidentally had on a shirt with only one collar device. A sailor calmly pointed out the miscue. I certainly thanked him. Stuff Happens.

Response by SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales made Jun 7 at 2020 10:47 AM

SSG Omar Ruiz-Canales — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 10:47:07 -0400

What if it was a test from the Two-Star to see who would correct this Ssgt and the 2 star would've coined whomever pointed it out?

Response by SgtMaj Charles Spidell made Jun 7 at 2020 11:24 AM

SgtMaj Charles Spidell — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 11:24:34 -0400

I did. I was a sergeant major in the Marines who “grew up” in the infantry and Reconnaissance. I was sent to the air wing to be the squadron sergeant major for a helicopter unit when promoted to that grade. It was a culture shock, to say the least. Many times I corrected lieutenants, captains, and majors who were wearing the uniform wrong, particularly flight suits and flight jackets. I approached them respectfully and asked them for their help in setting the example for their junior Marines, particularly aircrew. None of them brought up the difference in grade, or gaffed me off. If done in a respectful manner, in the spirit of setting the example, it shouldn’t be a problem.

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Jun 7 at 2020 5:39 PM

Maj Dale Smith — Sun, 07 Jun 2020 17:39:50 -0400

Yes, and I am with CSM O'Black who said use tact and respect when doing so. I was a junior Captain on Nuclear Alert with my aircrew, and we had a Brigidear General pulling alert with us as an alternate to the "Looking Glass", a 24/7 flying command post. He was like the #2 designated survivor for running WWIII if it happened. This BG decided he wanted to have a "discussion" with the 5 aircrews on alert, and his thing was wanting us to have pressed flight suits and spit polished flight boots. After hearing him out, I then asked if there had been an addendum to AFR 127-2 para 4 countermanding that no flamable material may be added to our uniforms when flying, nor could we dry clean our flight suits as it would remove the Nomex Dupont airamed flame resistance additive that was in our flight suits. Case was closed, we were never asked to dry clean or polish our flight suits and boots again.

Response by SGT Gary Tob made Jun 8 at 2020 6:35 PM

SGT Gary Tob — Mon, 08 Jun 2020 18:35:00 -0400

Well if the 2 Star decided to ignore, what does that tell you about our political correctness?

Response by TSgt Thomas Monaghan made Jun 9 at 2020 9:55 AM

TSgt Thomas Monaghan — Tue, 09 Jun 2020 09:55:24 -0400

No you shoud find out her name and where she works and advise her NCOIC that the issue needs to be adressed.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 10 at 2020 8:29 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 08:29:45 -0400

If you see it, correct it, and do it respectfully.. the offender may not have realized the discrepancy.
When I was in the Air Force (last assignment - 3rd TFW, Clark AB), I was stationed at Eglin AFB, FL.
While in the 33rd TFW Chow Hall, there was a COL eating breakfast, it was early. We all noticed that one of his epaulets was unbuttoned. Everyone around was afraid to say something, because of rank (mostly lower enlisted ate there before the FOD walk). I looked at everyone - I was E2 at the time, and said, He is just like any person, how do you think he is going to feel when he gets the the office then sees that NO ONE told him... So I walked up to him, apologized for interupting his breakfast and said, "sir, your epaulet is loose", he thanked me, asked me where my branch office was, I told him 3246 FMS - I got a letter from him saying how he appreciated me telling him.
He had been running late, coming from a flight from Randolf AFB, heading to a Staff meeting. Had I not mentioned the discrepancy, he would have faced embarrassment in front of his boss and staff members.
The thing is, it is our duty to keep our battlebuds in check, we all need someone to look at our "gig line". We don't need ridicule, we need to give a hand out

Response by PO1 Rudy Lopez made Jun 10 at 2020 3:23 PM

PO1 Rudy Lopez — Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:23:49 -0400

This is a difficult question and it is a relative one depending on the situation. There was an old saying when I was in "Regulations are open to interpretation; He who has the higher rank has the right interpretation." Because of some ambiguity in some regulations, policies, or local rules, it is best not to argue; unless the rules leave zero ambiguity, and ask the guidance of a Judge Advocate General Officer, or the author of a policy, for example, a commanding officer can write local policies for their unit.

Bottom line, it is okay to question, but if their response is that they are in the right, yet you are still not convinced, leave the conversation go ask someone who can make a proper interpretation of the rules. Otherwise disagreements could turn into tensions, which could be misconstrued as disrespect. Not everyone is level headed and as I sometimes saw when I was serving, rank can go to someones head pretty quickly.

Response by CWO2 David Bertoldo made Jun 11 at 2020 11:39 AM

CWO2 David Bertoldo — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:39:55 -0400

OMG in this man on man kissing pink wearing underwear military you actually have regs on lipstick almost funny

Response by WO1 Ricardo Eva made Jun 11 at 2020 11:55 AM

WO1 Ricardo Eva — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:55:10 -0400

Not only is it appropriate but it's the law! Though I agree with CSM O'Black (below) I was always known for not being that "tackfull". Because of my former job in the Army I was consistently asked by Junior and Senior Officers (including flag officers) about the "appropriateness" of either doing somenthing or authorizing something to be done. If that "something" was contrary to Army Regs, Federal Policy or the UCMJ then I told them so without so much regard for rank...not that I meant disrespect, but, there you have it.

Response by WO1 Ricardo Eva made Jun 11 at 2020 11:57 AM

WO1 Ricardo Eva — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:57:25 -0400

But, to answer your question, yes, it is ok to let higher ranking members know that they are out of reg but, yes, be nice about it...

Response by LTC Pete Moore made Jun 11 at 2020 11:07 PM

LTC Pete Moore — Thu, 11 Jun 2020 23:07:42 -0400

Absolutely it appropriate and required to address reg infractions! It’s wise to do so professionally!

Response by CPO Edward Cerwonka made Jun 14 at 2020 11:37 AM

CPO Edward Cerwonka — Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:37:14 -0400

Yes you can bring it to their attention that the lipstick that she was wearing was not with in the regulation. But you might want to do it in private and not in front of everyone.

Response by CPO Donald Crisp made Jun 16 at 2020 5:17 PM

CPO Donald Crisp — Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:17:59 -0400

I agree about using tact, but I would also caution you about posting her picture on this or any other site.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 18 at 2020 11:38 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 18 Jun 2020 23:38:51 -0400

Absolutely as it is actually mandated by appropriate Branch regulation which comes from the Commander-in-Chief. And like others have said, by not making the correction to correct the deficiency back to the standard, you just lowered the standard by accepting it.

Excerpt from FM 7-21.13:

"...General Military Authority. It originates in oaths of office and enlistment, law, rank structure, traditions, and regulations. This broad-based authority allows leaders to take appropriate corrective actions whenever a member of the armed services commits an act involving a breach of good order and discipline. Army Regulation 600-20, specifically gives this authority to commissioned, warrant, and noncommissioned officers.
b. Exercising Military Authority. Military authority is exercised promptly, firmly, courteously and fairly. Commanders should consider administrative corrective measures before deciding to impose nonjudicial punishment. Trial by court-martial is ordinarily inappropriate for minor offenses unless lesser forms of administering discipline would be ineffective (AR 600-20, paragraph 4-6).
(1) On-the-Spot Corrections. Generally, a Soldier requires an on-the spot correction for one of two reasons: the Soldier does not know the standard, or they knowingly violate the standard. If the latter occurs, the violation should be addressed immediately and when appropriate, should be followed-up with a call to the Soldier's chain of command. On-the-spot corrections are not only issued from the leader to the subordinate, but also include tactful corrections from subordinates to leaders and corrections between peers. It is your responsibility to understand and adhere to the standard."

Response by SPC Christopher Perrien made Jul 3 at 2020 12:11 PM

SPC Christopher Perrien — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:11:02 -0400

Stay out of those battles. Let the zoo be the zoo.

Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Jul 3 at 2020 8:56 PM

LtCol Robert Quinter — Fri, 03 Jul 2020 20:56:46 -0400

How about" Wow SSgt, have they finally loosened up the regs on lipstick?"

Response by SSG Roger Ayscue made Jul 4 at 2020 12:30 AM

SSG Roger Ayscue — Sat, 04 Jul 2020 00:30:38 -0400

It certainly is. BUT, Be Correct in what you say. Be Tactful in how you say it and be ready for that person to not take it in the spirit you mean it.
You can, by phrasing it as a question, get your point across while not looking like a smart ass. I.E. Staff Sergeant, did they change the regulations about lipstick? I am new and if there was a change I would like to know because I was taught...etc."
Also, I would refrain from posting photos on here, no matter how funny they look

Response by SSG James E. made Jul 9 at 2020 11:44 AM

SSG James E. — Thu, 09 Jul 2020 11:44:09 -0400

Yes but use tact. Get them away from their peers and keep it professional. Be prepared to show the regulation .

I remember having to address a commissioned officer that was breaking the regs. (He noticed new looking at him and tried making a V line for his car). At first he thanked me being an NCO for being up to letting him know he was messed up (especially since we were on a Tradoc post). Even respectfully thanked him for stopping and talking with me, rendered a salute and was on our way.

Well the next day he sought me out and pulled me off to the side and than decided to tell me that he was thinking about it all night long and decided that my approach was condescending. Thankfully I was with a LTC and let him know the day before this (covering my tracks in the event this would happen Where he would try to come back as I had a weird feeling about him) and informed him that if he would like to talk to the LTC that he informed me that he would be up to speaking to the young officer if there was any issues. The young officer said never mind and thanked me for my time and left. I literally seen this officer and it appeared that he was following me but i made sure he had nothing to approach me for. It shows that you can do it but make sure that you are doing the right thing as well because not all have the integrity to take the heads up, adjust fire and Charlie Mike.

Response by MSG Felipe De Leon Brown made Jul 19 at 2020 5:29 PM

MSG Felipe De Leon Brown — Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:29:26 -0400

It is hairy to see a superior violating regulations and wanting to correct them because of the vindictiveness that permeates society in general. So, what's a junior to do? I can think of two choices right off hand. 1-Ask them if it is now permitted to do this or that (although one knows that it violates regulations) or 2-point out the violation to another superior who will then have the onus to make the correction or, at the very least, personally point out the infraction to the violator.

Response by CPT Charles Reddick made Jul 21 at 2020 7:03 PM

CPT Charles Reddick — Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:03:59 -0400

We used to have a COL who would intentionally wear his uniform improperly and reward the soldier who brought it to his attention. And as others said always be tactful. I was once called to the Battalion Commander's office because the S-3 said I had been disrespectful to him. I had reminded him of an AR he was violating. After I gave my version, and showed him the AR, his exact response was, "Reddick, you got to learn tact."

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Jul 29 at 2020 8:30 AM

PO1 Todd McMillin — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:30:15 -0400

If you use the right amount of politeness and tact to get the point across you can even tell off a 2 Star Flag Officer. My CAG when I was in on my last ship had been in his flight suit with his zipper all the way down to below his chest and was wandering the decks; chatting with other officers including my XO. He had just cited regulations about properly wearing coveralls and other uniforms correctly on board since we had VIPs visiting the carrier that upcoming week.

I looked at him square in the eye and said, "SIR, I though we're supposed to follow you as a good example of leadership?" He looked at his zipper pulled it up to between his chest pockets and shook his head while blushing bright red (as a ginger hiis whole head was red as a tomato). My CMC later on called me out for it in private; but said I pulled off the best call out he heard about. I was able to pull an EPIC WIN on citing the CAG for breaking his own regs.

Response by Sgt Peter McDonald made Jul 29 at 2020 1:15 PM

Sgt Peter McDonald — Wed, 29 Jul 2020 13:15:40 -0400

As with anything else, show tact and don't embarrass them as in a gotcha moment. Present your observation and allow them to correct themselves in their own way, It is not for you to do so.

Response by SSG Clayton Lam made Aug 18 at 2020 8:54 PM

SSG Clayton Lam — Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:54:07 -0400

It is appropriate if done correctly and with tact. When correcting or pointing out a regulation violation to a higher ranking Soldier you sometimes have to walk on eggshells. First of all do it away from your peers and anyone else (if possible); second of all be prepared to cite where the reg is (such as the reg number, page, and paragraph) and try to be specific about what it says. Be respectful and address the person by their rank and if you are standing, make sure you are at parade rest. If that NCO. gives you a hard time then just walk away. Don’t argue. You did your part. If your heart is really set on it you could bring it to the attention of a higher ranking NCO, or find out what unit that NCO is in and report the incident to your chain of command starting at the lowest level (which is usually your team leader or maybe your squad leader. Whatever you do, don’t make a scene or don’t approach with a cocky attitude because you will lose right from the start.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 24 at 2020 11:14 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 24 Aug 2020 23:14:00 -0400

I think we all know the right answer. However, we also know what actually happens in that situation.

Response by SGT Felicia King made Aug 25 at 2020 12:43 AM

SGT Felicia King — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:43:05 -0400

I figured there was no regs regarding make up in the Air Force. But any other military department, let me know how that goes. Lol If she’s a higher rank, chances are she knows she is out of regs. Otherwise, how’d she pass the board? She is full aware she is out of regs and doesn’t give a hoot.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 25 at 2020 8:07 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 25 Aug 2020 20:07:12 -0400

We were having family day, but before anyone was allowed to change into civies. An A1C was with her family and her hair was way too long to be down. I pulled her aside and told her her hair was way below the bottom of her collar and needed to be put up. I would never have tried to embarrass her in front of her family. I was an E7.

Response by CPL Theodore Moore made Aug 26 at 2020 12:24 AM

CPL Theodore Moore — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 00:24:25 -0400

In this instance you would want to address it privately. I should note that I have a friend ( a specialist) who did not confront his First Sgt. about misstating weight measurements and PT scores, and he got a dishonorable discharge along with the First Sgt. and the other senior NCOs involved.

Response by 1SG Brian Adams made Aug 26 at 2020 12:22 PM

1SG Brian Adams — Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:22:14 -0400

Absolutely if done professionally. Did the 2 star make any comment to her in this regard? Call the higher rank off to the side one on one. Try not to embarrass or grandstand. Explain to the higher rank that wearing this type of lipstick is unauthorized. See what type of response you get from the higher rank. More than likely you will receive a "do as I say, not as I do" remark. But at least you did try to correct the higher rank. If it persists, go to your first line supervisor and have them run this up the chain...BLUFF: be professional and courteous when communicating. Isolate the conversation to a one on one situation (This will allow the higher rank to "save face" in front of her peers and or subordinates alike...good luck! Hoooah!!

Response by SSG David Kaelin made Aug 26 at 2020 1:31 PM

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Yes

Be tactful

Know the REG/Policy

But be aware always that there will always be petty people and be prepared for that.

A good way to do it is to ask that person a question about the Reg or Policy on the infraction that you've observed.

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Response by PO1 John Williams made Aug 28 at 2020 7:11 PM

PO1 John Williams — Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:11:29 -0400

As ship's "Secretary," I was expected to keep the officers and chiefs up to date on reg changes. I was expected to know the regs. If I had a situation like this, I would make sure that I would catch her out of ear shot of anyone and say something like, "Serg, I was just keeping up on the regs. Why don't you drop by the Ship's Office and let me know how we should remind our female (solders/sailor/airmen) staff on the dress regs."

Response by PO3 Dale Olson made Sep 1 at 2020 6:59 PM

PO3 Dale Olson — Tue, 01 Sep 2020 18:59:35 -0400

Dam straight.... We had a security check in Pearl Habor and the Capt had a "No ID - No Wine" in the POD. I was standing the Quarter watch and I challenged everyone including officers. The OD, usually an Ensign or maybe LtJg git nervous everytime I did it. But, I had the 45 side arm and OD had nothing.

Response by SSG James Mielke made Sep 6 at 2020 1:07 AM

SSG James Mielke — Sun, 06 Sep 2020 01:07:39 -0400

As the Sergeant Major said; "Absolutely, just use tact."
Also, have your own ducks in a row before you call her out on it. Not just you not wearing out-of-Reg make-up, but across the board. Never correct someone if your shit is not squared away.
It also does not hurt to know exactly which part of the Reg is being violated, as in Reg#, page, chapter, section, paragraph, etc. because an NCO that is willing to flaunt the Regs is more than likely going to argue about you calling them out on it.

Response by PO2 Carl Robinson made Sep 11 at 2020 1:25 AM

PO2 Carl Robinson — Fri, 11 Sep 2020 01:25:29 -0400

That would be up to the person and who they were confronting. Most people who have rank above yours, depending on disposition, may not listen to you. And then if you go to a superior, they may label you a trouble maker. It is up to someone over that person to make the corrections and if they aren't available to make the correction, and expect everyone to do their work, sometimes it can be a no win situation. I was in Okinawa in 1984 and we were do a field test on putting up a Hospital for operation in 72 hours. A storm came up and I got hit by lightning. I had to walk to the dispensary to be evaluated. I ended up with post concussion syndrome, but then I walked back because the Marines had their ambulances and trucks lined up. The inspection started and the commandant of the Marine Corps PX Kelly looked at me and said I looked like hell. My Lt. told him I got hit by lightning, he said, "Jesus Christ son, are you ok?" I said I had a headache and told him about the area I was covering. Every physician that I worked with appreciated my work. I got a commendation for my work on this field exercise as I was being tested for advancement in rank. Most of the officers in the battalion liked that I was teaching the other corpsmen. One officer, I didn't have much respect for because he tried to make everyone's time on Okinawa under him, miserable.

Response by SPC Byron Skinner made Sep 21 at 2020 2:24 PM

SPC Byron Skinner — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 14:24:15 -0400

Byron Skiinner. Unless you are a member of an organization such as Military Police or working for a commander who has specifically assigned you with the task of making sure female enlisted personal meet specific grooming protocol, let it be. If there is an issue Im sure a two star will notice and detail somebody to correct it, or as in most cases really doesn’t give a shit anyway. Also even though you didn’t mention race, I would just guess that race is a factor here

Response by SSG Jeremy Clark made Oct 5 at 2020 9:09 PM

SSG Jeremy Clark — Mon, 05 Oct 2020 21:09:51 -0400

Hell at Ft. Bragg when I was there if you didn't tactfully correct someone even of superior rank with general power of authority and the Post Commander saw it he'd have both of your behinds. His biggest pet peeve was LTs walking and talking on cell phones and even a PVT was expected to make a tactful correction.

Response by SGT Kenneth Rand made Oct 6 at 2020 8:56 PM

SGT Kenneth Rand — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 20:56:03 -0400

Be tactful and even if they don't treat themselves appropriate to their own rank doesn't mean you should do the same. Treat them according to the rank. I've corrected a Major General and got a coin for when I was a PFC is name and army tape were on opposite. It's a matter of letting them know nicely if they continue to do it report them to the next higher up the chain or if they get in your face over it. I hated piss poor appearance in my Platoon it wasn't tolerated.

Response by SSG Gregg Mourizen made Oct 22 at 2020 12:43 AM

SSG Gregg Mourizen — Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:43:13 -0400

Wear i agree with all of the answers I have seen so far, you really need to choose your battles. Using the chair of command, is always the safe answer. In this case, with a visiting General, I can guarantee there will be plenty of senior NCO's around, kissing stars, and ensuring order. Find one (preferably a female), give a nudge, point in the right direction. I guarantee said SSG will be pulled aside and corrected and the black lipstick will be removed. None of them want the General to see a jacked up NCO in their command.

Response by CPT Carolyn Andrews made Dec 21 at 2020 11:21 AM

CPT Carolyn Andrews — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:21:33 -0500

If possible, I would look for the same rank female in my platoon, ask her the same question you were asked on regulation and without pointing show her the SSGT
And ask if she is in regulation.
Then hopefully someone wil confront her.
At least that's what I would do.

Response by CDR Tom Davy made Dec 26 at 2020 9:54 AM

CDR Tom Davy — Sat, 26 Dec 2020 09:54:41 -0500

Loyalty is telling the boss what he needs to hear, not what he wants to hear.
Juniors but be warry and respectful of doing this. As a E-6, I pointed out to my 0-3 boss that the 0-5 had his rank on backwards. The goal was to advise him without embarrassment.
Leaders need to be open to, at the right place and time, disagreements from their juniors. I would establish a free exchange zone (my office at morning meeting) where they could tell be what they felt they needed to tell me. I had the best Department in LARGE part due to great comms between my people and their chain-of-command, ending with me.

Response by Maj Dale Smith made Jan 5 at 2021 5:48 PM

Maj Dale Smith — Tue, 05 Jan 2021 17:48:49 -0500

Absolutely, when you mention it, ask the senior ranking NCO if you might have a word with her in private. Your superior is not supposed to call you down in front of your pears, and the same should go for your "helping" your superior. I am assuming that you are female and this is fine for you to do this, if you are male, find a female NCO that can council the SSGT. I had an Afican American A1C that was wearing a nose ring with her uniform in the office. I checked the regs (at the time, AFR 30-30) and the reg called for the ear ring to be discreet, but didn't state that the ear ring must also be worn in the ear (thus the name). I went to a black female MSGT and asked what she though? Her answer was, "Say what! Let me take care of it." The problem was solved in about 3 minutes and no one was overtly chastised. Sometimes the soft sell works even better than the raised voice. Sometimes these things happen out of ignorance vs. blatent antagonism. Think about how a creditor works, and they do not send the first overdue notice as the "hard sell".

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 27 at 2021 4:56 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 Jan 2021 04:56:07 -0500

Well, it sounds like it's airforce so she's probly fine the way she is.

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Jan 27 at 2021 3:13 PM

LTC Ken Connolly — Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:13:07 -0500

I would definitely proceed with caution and discuss this with others as well as your next line supervisor and then let your supervisor handle the situation . If it is something that is obviously an egregious conduct, like assault or rape, then I would personally and immediately intervene and call for help, If not, then I would relay my sentiments to my senior NCO or if it is that person, the next commission officer in your chain. Believe or not, the Chaplain is always a good stop to discuss any situation that troubles you. In any case, the Sr NCO will not feel obligated to listen to your criticism of him or her.

Response by SPC July Macias made Feb 1 at 2021 9:45 PM

SPC July Macias — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 21:45:29 -0500

As an E4, I once corrected an E7. That's when this E6 told me I am never allowed to correct a superior. He asserted that I am only allowed to correct those of equal or lesser rank. (Later that day, the E7 apologized to me and admitted she was in the wrong. But that E6 continued to hold a grudge against me.)

Response by MSG Clyde Mills made Feb 3 at 2021 7:48 AM

MSG Clyde Mills — Wed, 03 Feb 2021 07:48:20 -0500

If you know for sure the Airman / female was blatantly out of uniform, you had every right to confront this Airman. But I think the thing that really should have been done was to contact the first higher ranking person or another Airman of this females rank and inform them of the situation. Then have them confront the female in question. If they blow you off and don't correct the Female about her abuse of the Regulations. this Higher ranking Airman would be just as guilty as the female for not doing a corrective action on the spot. But if nobody else was around and you had no choice but to confront the female. Do so in a respectful manner and tell the Female that according to the Regulations. She's out of uniform by wearing the non authorized lipstick. If she jumps your arse for trying to correct her, even if you are junior in rank to her. Get her name and ask her what Unit she is in, if she doesn't give you the information. Then try and find a Higher ranking Airman and report her for the violation. If she gives you her info, then report the info back to your chain of command and let them deal with this female. If they refuse to do anything about it, then I'd call the IG Department and make a formal complaint on the situation. tell them everything that you did and who you reported the violation to. Wouldn't hurt to write down everyone's info you contacted about the situation. Record keeping will / would save your arse in the end if she denies that you tried to correct her or have a higher ranking person correct her.

Response by COL Bill Gross made Feb 14 at 2021 11:04 AM

COL Bill Gross — Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:04:46 -0500

There was a CG of III Corps at FT Hood who was famous for go after soldiers who did not salute his car (official sedan with Three Star Plate). If he spotted a miscreant, he stop the car and launch his Aide to conduct on the spot corrections. It is reported that one day a soldier from the 1st Cav Div failed to render honors. The Aide was launched, the young soldier was at the bus stop for the post shuttle. He evaluated the situation and immediately took advantage of the bus passing by. The large "saddle blanket" on his left shoulder was the clue as to who he was.

Late when the III Corps CG and 1'st CAV CG met the III Corps Commander brought it up and ask the 1st Cav Div CG about. 1st Cav CG said, "damned resourceful soldier if you ask me."

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2021 11:46 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:46:52 -0500

I am just going to point out that taking a picture of someone without their knowledge or consent, on base, in the chow hall, and then posting it on a social media site will get you in more trouble than her wearing the wrong shade of lipstick. I agree that she should be corrected, but you should be also. You could ask your question without posting the picture. I'm not sure what base you are at but most have policies that restrict photography, especially of an unwilling participant. Just my 2 cents.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 22 at 2021 11:49 AM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:49:47 -0500

I also didn't realize that this was 4 years ago.

Response by SP6 Bruce Kellar made Feb 22 at 2021 2:47 PM

SP6 Bruce Kellar — Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:47:31 -0500

Nope, she is a female and your superior in and out of the military. Stand tall and admire the lipstick. Soon the entire military will be required to wear lipstick so the minority feels good. No more guns, just a liberals arts degree from the corner store will be fine. Wars can be fought only against climate change and learn chinese right now

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Mar 1 at 2021 1:45 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Mon, 01 Mar 2021 13:45:30 -0500

The correct answer is YES; however, use tact. Someday you may be working for Ms. Hotlips. In uniform vs out of uniform may apply in certain situations.

Response by SMSgt John Lemon made Mar 14 at 2021 2:24 PM

SMSgt John Lemon — Sun, 14 Mar 2021 14:24:54 -0400

When I was just a senior airman many centuries ago we had a fullbird get on board an aircraft in his blues. This was an aircraft we were loading and he tried to tell us how to do our job. Obviously he was violated several safety regulations and so our supervisor who was a SSgt told the Col., "With all due respect sir, but you are out of uniform and in violation of several safety regs. I need you to get off this aircraft, because we don't want you to get hurt." So you see there is right way and a wrong way to tell someone off in the military. However, overlooking someone's violation of regulations be they safety, COMSEC, OPSEC, or uniform regulations is merely setting a new standard. I've even seen it happen outside a chow hall. A Capt. walked passed us without saluting. We stopped and politely told him that it is a common courtesy for an officer to salute enlisted. He apologized, saluted us and went on his way. Of course that works the other way. It is well-known that on most Air Force flightlines they are no-hat, no-salute areas. The Capt. of the force protection squadron was out and about and approached me (NCOIC of ATOC) to ask why no one was saluting him. So I had to explain to him the regulation. A year later he rotated back to the states. We made sure his luggage got a bag tour.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 16 at 2021 3:29 PM

SSgt Daniel d'Errico — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:29:47 -0400

Every military member has to ensure that military standards of all ranks are met. But, the lower ranks must use their direct supervisor is appraised of a blatant violation of regulations by a senior ranking member, NCO or officer. Just because you're outrank by either a senior NCO or officer, doesn't mean you can't point out their violation(s).

Response by CW3 Michael Clifford made Mar 16 at 2021 10:09 PM

CW3 Michael Clifford — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:09:58 -0400

Several decades ago, I was in suit and tie and noted a command sergeant major parked in a marked handicapped spot. He had no handicapped license plates nor a handicapped hang tag. I walked up to him before he exited his car and I simply asked if he was aware he was parking in a handicapped slot. He began cursing me and told me to mind my own “f**king business”. I then badged him by displaying my CID credentials and asked if he’d like a citation for parking in a handicapped slot. I also told him that I was willing to accommodate him, as an MP patrol was approaching me through the lot. He then sniveled that I hadn’t initially identified myself as an agent and he wouldn’t treated me in the manner had he’d know. That wasn’t my point. I wasn’t going to get badge heavy and simply have him move his vehicle. After his whining, he moved his vehicle.

Yet, it didn’t end. The next day, he had the parking place remarked for sergeant majors only. That left the PX without sufficient handicapped parking places under law. That caused me trip to the IG and a complaint to be filed. Repainted the next day back to handicapped, with a discussion with the sergeant major by the IG. When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.

Response by AA Charles Hadden made Apr 12 at 2021 8:59 AM

AA Charles Hadden — Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:59:25 -0400

That was probably one of the main reasons I exited the Military. I respect rank, but can not tolerate anyone who takes advantage of it to cut down or humiliate anyone of an inferior rank, all the while demanding respect of their rank. A Military rank is not a free pass to do or say whatever you darn well please and shouldn't be considered a shield for such coming from the ranks. That clearly falls under the title of 'Abuse of Power or Authority. When Someone wants me to respect their rank, either In the military or their position in the private world, they will EARN that respect and honor.

Response by CW3 Joseph Lawrence made Apr 16 at 2021 1:20 PM

CW3 Joseph Lawrence — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 13:20:49 -0400

I used to have the same problem with my Executive Officer when we were planning operations and he would propose something that went entirely against my Logistics regulations. I would open the update to the first page where it said no deviations and then to the last page and tell him when he outranked the person in the signature block of the regulation then I would obey his wishes.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Apr 29 at 2021 10:08 PM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Thu, 29 Apr 2021 22:08:14 -0400

So; I saw an error and as a prior non-commissioned officer I decided to address this mistake. The error was on the uniform of a superior officer. Everyone else ignored the mistake, but not me. I tactfully informed the superior officer in a question, in the presence of the CSM. Realizing the error, the superior officer fixed it and then, gave me a mouthful claiming that my behavior was insubordinate and my action was borderline UCMJ. The CSM smiled and reminded the superior officer that I was only correcting his error for his own good, which is in no way a UCMJ action. As the CSM and the superior officer argued, the CSM signaled for me to peel off, which I did without any delay.

These are the battles of military life; Superior v. Subordinate equation.

Response by CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana made Apr 30 at 2021 2:00 AM

CPT Gurinder (Gene) Rana — Fri, 30 Apr 2021 02:00:54 -0400

I once told a superior officer, offline, that his BDU top didn't match his bottom. This superior officer misunderstood me and threatened to "fix" me under Articles of the Uniform Codes of Military Justice that I would never see daylight outside of Leavenworth. Our difference emerged because I meant the bottom of his BDU and he thought I was referencing his derriere. Can we be charged under Articles of the UCMJ for being helpful to others and for being selfless?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2021 2:11 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 May 2021 02:11:05 -0400

The Dining Facility Should have rules posted on the wall as you enter the DFAC or in the Head Count folder. The Head Count should have get it corrected on the spot or turn her away with a explanation. Once as a Junior NCO, I turn away some enlisted Soldiers, they talk to their Officer and he try to use his rank to have his Soldiers to eat lunch at a DFAC. I told him to talk to the General who was eating at the DFAC. He turn around and left. I would have spoken to the Head Count, point it out and tell that person they not doing the job ethically by not following the Regulations.

Response by Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis made May 16 at 2021 7:29 PM

Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis — Sun, 16 May 2021 19:29:04 -0400

There is a great deal of reticence regarding approaching a person of higher rank in order to make note of a uniform regulation violation. Ideally, the senior person will recognize the problem, thank you (and/or give you one of their coins), and fix the problem without delay. Ideally.

Unfortunately, we have many members who are far from ideal. It is our duty to deal with such people, too. So, here is my recommendation, for what it might be worth.

First, before anything, introduce yourself and identify your Unit. Courteously ask about the other person's unit. Take note of what you are told; this will be one of the most important pieces of information you will get.

Next, ask this individual if they would like to know of a uniform violation that you have observed. Whatever answer you get, take that seriously. If that person says "No" or "Buzz off" or anything like that, do so and be polite about it. Like "Sorry to have bothered you, have a great day." If that person says "Sure. What's the problem?" (or something like that) then you're golden. Just politely point out the flaw and let that person handle it.

Now, if you get a negative response then you have two options. Option one is to ignore it. Option two is to go to your supervisor and/or 1st Shirt and discuss the situation. Remember, you got that person's Unit, so you have some information. If you also got a photo then you have more information. Remember, you are not "getting somebody in trouble." You are just being observant of uniform violations. Listen to your supervisor and/or 1st Shirt. They might say "okay, I'll handle it." Then, done. That's their job. You can breath easy and know you've done your part. Or, your supervisor can refer you to that person's supervisor or 1st Shirt. If that's what happens then bring your concerns to that person.

If your supervisor and/or 1st Shirt won't be helpful, then you have some standing to speak to the Commander. No 1st Shirt wants that, so it's unlikely. But, again, that's the ideal world. In any case, be courteous, present only the facts, and listen to what you are told.

Hopefully you will find this helpful.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made May 16 at 2021 8:04 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Sun, 16 May 2021 20:04:57 -0400

Yes you should with tack and discretion. I have on more times then I can remember telling higher ranked people how their uniform's had problems. People thought that I out of my mind when I walked up to my AIT CSM asked him if I could speak to him. He looked at me like was out of my f**king mind. then he said what l told him that His collar was standing up in the back, And his boot laces where hanging loss. He leaned forward said thanks. I turned around and left. My Drill SGT called me in to his office later, Then informed me that I would not be pulling fire guard any more. That was the first time. Other time have not gone so well, However you should always try to do the right thing because may be the one jacked up.
Was this at joint base Charleston The amount of jacked up Air force people of all ranks on and of that base.
These types of issues usually come from lax or incompetent leadership.
That goes for all branch's of the Military.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2021 10:06 PM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 16 May 2021 22:06:41 -0400

Absolutely! I hope that my relationship with my soldiers is solid enough that they feel comfortable correcting me as one professional to another.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made May 16 at 2021 10:28 PM

SPC Daniel Rankin — Sun, 16 May 2021 22:28:37 -0400

Regs are there for a reason, if she was out of uniform and off duty, no problem, but in the mess hall and in uniform she could have been written up for being out of uniform code Just like if a man had his hair too long.

Response by SGT Charles Bartell made May 17 at 2021 7:47 PM

SGT Charles Bartell — Mon, 17 May 2021 19:47:50 -0400

This is one of those things that people that should not nor ever been allowed to have been in the Military just do not care about, Even worse Seem to have problems doing the right thing.
REGULATIONS are the for a reason. Whether you do or do not agree with them.

Response by A1C William Wilson made May 17 at 2021 11:02 PM

A1C William Wilson — Mon, 17 May 2021 23:02:13 -0400

If harm or potentially harm, it should be addresses immediately. Otherwise, chain of command.

Response by LTC Tom Carroll made May 19 at 2021 8:03 AM

LTC Tom Carroll — Wed, 19 May 2021 08:03:39 -0400

Not only is it "appropriate" it is absolutely needed. You must as a Soldier, especially and NCO, be responsible to advise your boss (Officer or NCO). If they foster a Unit Climate that encourages bottom us communication and advisement then they should appreciate it. If the boss doesn't than he/she doesn't get it or is insecure in their leadership ability. Most Infantry Units that I served in valued Soldier input and problem solving. It was absolutely critical for our team's success. Go forward and do it! If you are chastised them be a team player for your fellow Brothers and Sisters and make the Unit better until you go to another one. Tom Carroll Career Army Soldier RLTW!

Response by MCPO Hans Brakob made May 21 at 2021 1:08 AM

MCPO Hans Brakob — Fri, 21 May 2021 01:08:23 -0400

OK, I'm an old-time Navy Master Chief, so keep that in mind when I say this. Army might be different.

What color lipstick a Sailor wore was waaaaay outside the things that I worried about. I worried about whether or not they were doing everything possible to make mission. Our mission was to kill the enemy and break their shit. Lipstick color is not a contributing factor to that mission, so it isn't on my radar.

Response by LT Tom Grugle made May 21 at 2021 10:54 AM

LT Tom Grugle — Fri, 21 May 2021 10:54:19 -0400

I totally got ripped by a CPO because my jacket was unzipped. I was a young O1 medical student and had no idea you were supposed to keep your jacket zipped. The CPO was respectful but insistent. I was embarrassed (and a little annoyed) but he was 100% correct. Although he might have been a little less vocal about it to save me some embarrassment.

Response by CPO O'shay Morris made May 21 at 2021 4:17 PM

CPO O'shay Morris — Fri, 21 May 2021 16:17:47 -0400

Absolutely it is okay. Of course respectfully, with tact, and not in front of people.

Response by PO3 Kenneth Suvanto made May 22 at 2021 12:21 PM

PO3 Kenneth Suvanto — Sat, 22 May 2021 12:21:11 -0400

I sure wouldn't confront a higher rank when it comes to challenging them on a reg. Why? Just bring it to another higher ranks attention. I would jump the chain of command tho if it came to me and what I needed and the Ranking individual I needed to see first was messing with me. I've been known to do that in the military and civilian life...it worked for me. Good Luck, Sincerely, Ken

Response by CWO4 Josh Henley made May 22 at 2021 7:00 PM

CWO4 Josh Henley — Sat, 22 May 2021 19:00:58 -0400

Sometimes doing something, can be the difference between one keeping their career, or losing it. For example: A young officer passed me in the wardroom, which made me turn around and catch up with him. I asked if he had breakfast yet, and he said no. So I suggested he come with me to get some. He asked why... "Because Sir, I get the sense you spent the evening with Jack Daniels ..."

Response by LtCol Dennis Ivan made May 22 at 2021 9:15 PM

LtCol Dennis Ivan — Sat, 22 May 2021 21:15:25 -0400

Not only yes but hell yes. And just SNCOs, if you see an officer doing something wrong too, confront them.
95% of the time they will say thank you. The 5% they get angry, enjoy it, because when you get their name and let your OIC know you can be sure they will get twice as much from their commander.

Response by Maj Robert Larkowski made May 31 at 2021 11:02 AM

Maj Robert Larkowski — Mon, 31 May 2021 11:02:39 -0400

If donwe in a respectfull and tactfull way, yes please correct your superior.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Jun 3 at 2021 9:54 PM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Thu, 03 Jun 2021 21:54:15 -0400

After looking at the picture I agree with the Sgt; however that was not the question. The answer is YES, with tact.

Response by Col Jonathan Brazee made Jun 13 at 2021 8:43 PM

Col Jonathan Brazee — Sun, 13 Jun 2021 20:43:36 -0400

I'd much rather have one private correct my uniform than go through the day with everyone else noticing it and thinking how screwed up I am.

Response by PO2 Mike Vignapiano made Jun 25 at 2021 7:26 PM

PO2 Mike Vignapiano — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 19:26:05 -0400

No one likes to be corrected in front of anyone. It's always best to use tact and to do so (if possible) away from others. If that's not possible, you should go to a higher ranking person and express your displeasure of seeing someone of a higher rank than you blatantly disregarding the regs.

Response by SMSgt Sheila Berg made Jun 26 at 2021 12:53 PM

SMSgt Sheila Berg — Sat, 26 Jun 2021 12:53:11 -0400

Excellent response.

Response by SSG Timothy Lanham made Jun 27 at 2021 1:56 AM

SSG Timothy Lanham — Sun, 27 Jun 2021 01:56:15 -0400

I am retired Army. I worked in Iraq for a while after I got out. One morning at breakfast a few soldiers sat at the table with me. While I was eating I noticed a Lieutenant had her name tape upside down. I simply got up, walked to her side of the table, bent down to whisper in her ear of the infraction. She thanked me then asked the people with her why the hell didn't any of them tell her she was jacked up.

Response by COL David Petray made Jun 29 at 2021 12:14 PM

COL David Petray — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:14:07 -0400

You should confront but do it one on one and away from others. Of course do it with the proper respect for the rank. In this case, if I were a female, I would start off with perhaps complimenting her on her lipstick color and then stating, “I’d love to wear it too, but I thought lipstick couldn’t conflict with skin tone per regulation?” Always better to respect rank AND ego if possible. However, if someone was blatantly breaking regulations and was causing a public nuisance then I would confront them in front of others. Of course any violation which has a safety or security concern should be corrected on the spot regardless of the difference in rank (just be sure it’s an obvious violation especially if you’re say a private and the violator is a senior rank). Without the discipline which the regulations instill, we are not an effective fighting force. It’s discipline that wins battles.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2021 10:10 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 29 Jun 2021 22:10:33 -0400

This Soldier wants attention, not respect. Ignore her/him and they'll go away.

Response by TSgt Walter Zumbrennen made Jul 1 at 2021 1:01 AM

TSgt Walter Zumbrennen — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 01:01:27 -0400

Back when I was an airman working in a communication center we had the General come down and tried to get us to disobey the regs on security. Our Chief Master Sgt politely informed him, "Sir with all due respect, this is MY communication Center and we will NOT break the rules." You do not mess with a CMSgt. The General backed down and left.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Jul 1 at 2021 8:06 PM

SSG Edward Tilton — Thu, 01 Jul 2021 20:06:14 -0400

Nothing better to do?

Response by SFC Terry Bryant made Jul 3 at 2021 11:30 AM

SFC Terry Bryant — Sat, 03 Jul 2021 11:30:08 -0400

There is this thing called on the spot corrections in the Military. It is a very useful tool to address code and reg violations to ANYONE by EVERYONE. There is also a thing called courtesy and tact. First off you should never talk down to anyone while using this tool. It is not there for someone to put themselves on a pedestal while shaming another. It is plain and simple a corrective tool. However if you find yourself in a situation where you find yourself intimidated by a much higher rank and you are shamed for using this tool then that person does not deserve that rank or leadership position. One of the most important things a GOOD leader learns on their way to becoming a good leader is humility. I have taken many on the spot corrections from lower enlisted all the way to a 4 star General's staff. I accept my mistakes gratitude and HUMILITY. Not with scorn and attitude. No one should ever take it personally and if they do then they are weak and petty.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2021 5:44 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 11 Jul 2021 17:44:29 -0400

It is always appropriate to correct a senior that is out of regs.
Just do it correctly.
a. Do it privately.
b. Do it respectfully.
Avoid ,"sir/Sergeant do you realize you're an ate up soup sandwich violating regulation "ABC"? If you want people to respect you, you need to square your f*@cked up self away".

Instead try, "Sir/Ma'am/SGT, I noticed that your "ABC" is out of regulations and perhaps you didn't realize it. I just wanted to bring it to your attention as I'm sure it was an oversite, but I want to make sure we are all squared away".

Worse case nothing happens.
Best and more likely case, is you'll be recognized for your courage and tact.

Response by SPC Laura Mitchell made Jul 15 at 2021 12:23 PM

SPC Laura Mitchell — Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:23:06 -0400

It’s usually not what you say, but how you say it. Although, to be fair, the shade looks like darkish plum, which is actually a good color for that skin tone. Does it meet reg? I don’t know.

Response by Sgt Dustin Davis made Jul 22 at 2021 2:08 AM

Sgt Dustin Davis — Thu, 22 Jul 2021 02:08:27 -0400

Fuck tact. What happened to having a pair? Ask her if she forgot how she got there? Light her ass up... especially if she is in uniform. Make sure you are on point before you do. CSM O'Black has a great approach, but I would attack with the "Hey Ursula, you got any of that boot polish left? I need a buff on my boots!"

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 26 at 2021 12:48 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 00:48:18 -0400

Yes, but used tact, call her to the side with witness of course and a copy of the uniform code for reference!

Response by PO1 Todd McMillin made Jul 26 at 2021 2:12 PM

PO1 Todd McMillin — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:12:01 -0400

Always use professionalism, tact, and a bit of shaming when dealing with a Superior/Officer who is being unprofessional. Ask them politely, "Would they see and address a subordinate acting in an unprofessional manner?" "Or, Sir/Ma'am aren't you supposed to be leading by example?"

This usually makes them stop and think about their actions in most cases; which they will clearly stop acting unprofessional and expect that their behavior and square it away immediately. It's not hard just needs to be done with the right tone and professionalism.

Response by SFC Mark Bailey made Jul 27 at 2021 8:23 PM

SFC Mark Bailey — Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:23:53 -0400

You are making an on-the-spot correction
Think of it this way, if you don't tell the GEN their pants are undone, they will be a walking disgrace to the uniform and all that we represent

Response by PO1 Steven Ewing made Jul 28 at 2021 9:43 AM

PO1 Steven Ewing — Wed, 28 Jul 2021 09:43:52 -0400

I can't speak to how or when one would do this in the current military, but when I served it was drilled into my head never "mess" with anyone above you in your direct chain of command. If they wanted to they could not only get even, but get ahead (you could quickly find yourself assigned to every dirty detail that no one else wanted to do). People outside your chain of command were fair game (as long as you could trust your chain of command to have your back).

Response by COL Victor Hagan made Jul 28 at 2021 1:44 PM

COL Victor Hagan — Wed, 28 Jul 2021 13:44:23 -0400

I'm not sure confront is the word or approach I'd use in this situation. It gives the impression that your intent is to embarrass instead of simply bringing the matter to the person's attention. I would suggest always being respectful regardless of the individual's rank or position.

Response by SFC Osvaldo Vazquez made Jul 28 at 2021 8:24 PM

SFC Osvaldo Vazquez — Wed, 28 Jul 2021 20:24:18 -0400

While I was “in” I used to believe so. Absolutely. Now that I’m retired, I think about all those times I “got into it” with someone because of it and think “what was the purpose?”… it really doesn’t matter if you use tact or not, people do what they want and if they are higher rank they will just brush it off, do what they want and all you do is be kissed and ranting about that one a-hole who should have known better. Now, I simply believe that if I was Senior then I would use my influence to change the things I could and not worry s out the thing I couldn’t. It would have made my life sooo much easier not worrying about something so pointless as pointing someone doing something wrong when they just aren’t going to change.

My advise to young “me” would be: do your best to change the things you can and don’t worry about the things you can’t. Less worry and be much more happy.

Response by SSG Ron Bogard made Jul 30 at 2021 3:54 PM

SSG Ron Bogard — Fri, 30 Jul 2021 15:54:40 -0400

No one regardless of rank is above Military Regulation or Standard. If you chose to engage with a person of higher rank stay within the military Protocol.

Response by SFC Michael Kinsley made Jul 30 at 2021 11:26 PM

SFC Michael Kinsley — Fri, 30 Jul 2021 23:26:40 -0400

Approach not confront.

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 31 at 2021 11:46 PM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 31 Jul 2021 23:46:00 -0400

CSM O'Black nailed it. Scroll until you find his comment, then read and heed.

Response by PO3 German Corea made Aug 1 at 2021 5:13 PM

PO3 German Corea — Sun, 01 Aug 2021 17:13:33 -0400

When I was onboard the USS Bonhomme Richard I had an XO whom was an O-6 and this man would walk around, while in port and out to sea, with no cover, a faded top khaki shirt, sleeves rolled up to below elbow, no undershirt and a 5 o'clock shadow. I asked my LPO at the time, a PO1, if we could tell him something about his appearance. He told us that we could in a very respectful way but him being an O-6 you might not like the results after that. In the end we just let him be.

Response by SFC Mark Klaers made Sep 23 at 2021 8:04 AM

SFC Mark Klaers — Thu, 23 Sep 2021 08:04:25 -0400

Yes. That said, be careful! I always did it with humor. If the target of your observation is laughing, you get the point across without fear of repercussions.