Is it disrespectful for an officer who was previously an NCO to recite the NCO creed with NCO while they recite it?

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:09:03 -0500

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 2:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:12:02 -0500

In my opinion, absolutely not. The NCO Creed should be a creed that is followed by every soldier regardless of rank. Take pride that you were once An NCO. A majority of the best officers I have known were prior enlisted. Do not forget where you come from sir.

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made Feb 16 at 2018 2:23 AM

SGT Christopher Hayden — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:23:34 -0500

I don't think it's disrespectful, but you should probably just allow the NCOs to have their time. You're an Officer now, and regardless of your past history, that's who you are. It's great that you are proud of your time in the NCO ranks and I'm sure it will be helpful in your new path, but perhaps it'd look better on you going forward to just recite it in your head next time.

Response by Cpl Scott McCarroll made Feb 16 at 2018 2:28 AM

Cpl Scott McCarroll — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:28:43 -0500

I always thought the mustang officers were easier to talk to, and had done all that was asked of you.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 2:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:42:46 -0500

What kind of snowflake would be offended by this? The NCO creed is NCO business, and if an officer (no matter the commissioning source or experience) knows the creed better the NCO; then that NCO is somewhat of a dirt bag for failing the whole Be Know Do thing.

Special snowflakes aside, as a 2LT you need to pick your battles wisely. A 2LT who was a former enlisted guy could quickly a bad reputation for crossing the NCO/Officer boundary. You have a right to dictate standards to your platoon, but it is your PSG's responsibility to enforce those standards.

I think a best approach is to ensure your NCOs know the creed (be sure to state it as a standard), then supervise and spot check NCOs to ensure they meet your standard, and turn over NCOs who fail your standard to your PSG to correct the situation until your standard is met (provided your PSG agrees with your standard).

Ya it is nit picky, but it is the PSG's responsibility to develop the NCO corps, you are just there to ensure that the company commander's intent is being met (dictate standards but not necessarily methods).

Response by CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 4:00 AM

CMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 04:00:19 -0500

Disrespectful? No. Compromising? Perhaps. I personally wouldn't advise it. I learned that honesty, integrity, compassion, and accountability were around every corner if I choose to acknowledge their existence and embrace their rectitude. Reciting a creed had nothing to do with it. Sometimes the best course of action is not the easiest.

Response by CPL Richard Ouderkirk made Feb 16 at 2018 5:32 AM

CPL Richard Ouderkirk — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 05:32:50 -0500

Not at all i belive they should

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 6:12 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 06:12:12 -0500

Absolutely not! As one going through OCS now, I'm still proud of my time as an NCO. It's where I learned and developed leadership skills and practices that I intend to transfer to my role as an Officer. The core of an NCO should reside in an Officer as well.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 16 at 2018 7:20 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 07:20:41 -0500

In fact it shows respect. As a Nominative CSM I and my NCO’s made honorary CSM of one of my Generals. If the Officer knows it and remembers it he or she will fall back on that creed and hold us accountable. This is a good thing. Thank you for your service.

Response by CPT Nicholas D. made Feb 16 at 2018 8:15 AM

CPT Nicholas D. — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:15:40 -0500

I don’t believe it is disrespectful, if you review the words of the creed, although they are intended for service as an NCO, they are tenants of good leadership. You wore the stripes, you have every right to recite the creed as much a SPC on an E5 promotion board desiring the honor. As an officer, don’t hesitate to distinguish yourself from your peers. Rely on your experience. Most of us “mustangs” were motivated to become officers to see leadership done better. Not a desire to imitate the status quo. Your bond with the NCO corps (even through a creed) will make you a better officer.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 9:05 AM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:05:32 -0500

Absolutely not! I know the services all have different traditions but in the Navy whenever I've attended a Chief's pinning ceremony or a retirement for an E7, E8, or E9, they always recite the Chief Petty Officer Creed. Before doing so they ask for "all Chief Petty Officers, past or present" to stand and join in. Once an NCO, always an NCO (unless you screw up and get demoted of course.)

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 9:46 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 09:46:49 -0500

I don't but I wouldn't. You aren't an NCO anymore. It's hard to move on from being an NCO but now you are an officer. That means we should conduct ourselves in such a manner. It like when you have a guy at work that always talks about his last job. We have to assimilate into the officer Corps now.

Response by SrA James Cannon made Feb 16 at 2018 10:10 AM

SrA James Cannon — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:10:20 -0500

I see no problem with it.

Response by SGT(P) Michael H. made Feb 16 at 2018 10:13 AM

SGT(P) Michael H. — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:13:17 -0500

By reciting the NCO Creed along side the enlisted, this officer, in my viewpoint, is standing with them shoulder to shoulder, letting them know he understands and completely supports their efforts under his command because he has "been there, done that". I see no disrespect, nor any issue with this being done.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 10:42 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:42:07 -0500

CPT Private RallyPoint Member not at all, I think it shows respect.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 11:19 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:19:27 -0500

CPT Private RallyPoint Member no, but makes it question if they understand that they are no longer an NCO and embraced their new role.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 11:23 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 11:23:37 -0500

Sir, you are no longer an NCO. Leave the NCO creed to the NCOS. Not disrespectful but is not your place anymore.

Response by SSG Vincent Matheny made Feb 16 at 2018 12:09 PM

SSG Vincent Matheny — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:09:53 -0500

Yes it is. That officer is a officer. No longer an NCO

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 12:56 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:56:40 -0500

I don't think its disrespectful but LT needs to stay in his lane.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 3:16 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:16:59 -0500

IMV, not at all. One of the things that I envied my non-commissioned officers was the renewal of their oath each time they reenlisted. I took great pleasure in reenlistment ceremonies ... and would quietly whisper my name while the reenlisting soldiers said theirs as part of the oath. As long as the recitation of the NCO creed by the officer is done quietly and respectfully, it seems to me it is something in which to take pride, not feel butt-hurt.

Response by PO2 Michael Berry made Feb 16 at 2018 4:28 PM

PO2 Michael Berry — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:28:10 -0500

I strongly agree with SSG Adam Meston, it would be disrespectful if you didn't.

Response by SSG Guy Gould made Feb 16 at 2018 5:40 PM

SSG Guy Gould — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:40:34 -0500

No, it isn't. It identifies you as someone different. You are both. You don't get to set your enlisted experience aside when you become an officer. You are both. You get paid to be both. Be both. It sets you above the other officers of the same rank. You stand taller than the rest. You owe it to yourself and to those that you lead. Never forget where you can from. Never forget who you are.

As I read some of the opinions of the naysayers about you possibly appearing weaker, not stepping into your new role or not showing the separation between NCO and officer, I cringe. I want to rebuke these naysayers with the utmost strength because you are able to set the standard for both and you should. You are still responsible for all of your knowledge. If there are people that are opposed, I wonder what actually inspires them to it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2018 9:47 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 16 Feb 2018 21:47:26 -0500

Not disrespectful - but it breaks the barrier between Officer and NCO - i suppose it depends on the situation.
Good question though

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2018 8:53 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:53:47 -0500

nope go for it

Response by Col Robert Wallace made Feb 18 at 2018 7:28 PM

Col Robert Wallace — Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:28:22 -0500

I must agree with SSG. I started my career as an Enlisted person. Upon becoming an officer, I well remembered what an Enlisted does and how he is treated. I vowed to always show respect for them, especially the Senior NCO's, as they reached that position by knowledge and leadership. That being said, I would be honored to recite the NCO Creed while they are also reciting it. The NCO Creed is as meaningful as the Enlistment Oath wherein you swore to defend the Constitution of the United States and to protect our country from all enemies, those without and within.

Response by MSgt Robert Kagel made Mar 8 at 2018 6:58 PM

MSgt Robert Kagel — Thu, 08 Mar 2018 18:58:07 -0500

No, as stated elsewhere, they are tenets of leadership, and if you were an NCO there is nothing wrong with showing your solidarity with fellow true believers.

Response by MCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 10 at 2018 10:38 AM

MCPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 10 Mar 2018 10:38:52 -0500

Definitely not. Any officer who was once an NCO had better remember where they came from. That is part of it. If they forget where they came from, they tend to be crappy officers. While the original poster is Army we have a similar path in the Navy.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 12 at 2018 1:37 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 12 Mar 2018 01:37:45 -0400

Like almost everyone else said, I don't find it disrespectful at all. I think those who says "you had your time, now you're an officer" so you should leave it to the NCOs are wrong because we are not stealing limelight or anything else from the NCOs, we are just proud of the Creed of the Noncommissioned Officer so like to recite it when being done because it means the same as it always has to us.

Response by 1SG Ruben Hernandez made Mar 20 at 2018 10:04 AM

1SG Ruben Hernandez — Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:04:05 -0400

It says that as An Officer now... his pride as an NCO continues to be...we are an army of one, both Officers & enlisted make the same SACRIFICES. WE ARE ALL IN IT TOGETHER...A TEAM...
1SG Hernandez, Vietnam & Desert Storm Veteran...

Response by SSG Glenn Morse made Mar 20 at 2018 5:52 PM

SSG Glenn Morse — Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:52:03 -0400

ABSOLUTELY NOT, IF ANYTHING IT IS THE OPPOSITE

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 27 at 2018 9:40 PM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:40:24 -0400

I don’t think so. I had to learn it and I still live by it.

Response by CDR Henry Baker made Mar 29 at 2018 3:45 PM

CDR Henry Baker — Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:45:24 -0400

Response by CH (CPT) Heather Davis made Apr 2 at 2018 2:51 AM

CH (CPT) Heather Davis — Mon, 02 Apr 2018 02:51:41 -0400

I was enlisted 22 years. Yes I would recite the NCO creed.

Response by MSgt J D McKee made Apr 2 at 2018 12:30 PM

MSgt J D McKee — Mon, 02 Apr 2018 12:30:01 -0400

It's been so long that I can't really remember the NCO's Creed. Maybe we didn't have it. BUT, how in hell could anyone take that as being disrespectful?

Response by MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan made Apr 5 at 2018 12:25 PM

MSgt James "Buck" Buchanan — Thu, 05 Apr 2018 12:25:54 -0400

Reciting such a creed is simply an acknowledgment of where one has been and shows continued respect. Rather than being disrespectful it is more a sign of respect to those who helped make you what you are today.

Response by MAJ Gerald Wienckowski made Apr 10 at 2018 8:46 AM

MAJ Gerald Wienckowski — Tue, 10 Apr 2018 08:46:05 -0400

Absolutely not...I was an NCO for 9 years prior to going to OCS retiring as an 0-4 Major....ALWAYS respected my NCO's and heeded their advise....God Bless the backbone of the U.S.Army...the NCO corps!

Response by SPC David Giffen made Apr 17 at 2018 11:25 PM

SPC David Giffen — Tue, 17 Apr 2018 23:25:20 -0400

When I was the Deputy Commander for Cadets in the Civil Air Patrol I would recite the cadet oath along with the cadets. It was a reminder to me to follow the oath and be a good example to my cadets.

Response by MAJ Jim Hollingsworth made Apr 18 at 2018 12:33 AM

MAJ Jim Hollingsworth — Wed, 18 Apr 2018 00:33:12 -0400

Of course not! I went to Fort Sill's Primary Leadership Development Course in 1981. I was a finalist for the Commandant's Inspection (best in my barracks). I was a Sergeant. I have a Good Conduct Medal. And I was commissioned through Officer Candidate School at Fort Benning. I'll say the Non Commissioned Officers Creed proudly with any NCO, all day long! Respectfully, . . . .

Response by 2LT Earl Dean made Apr 20 at 2018 12:39 AM

2LT Earl Dean — Fri, 20 Apr 2018 00:39:58 -0400

I don't think it is! Once an NCO always an NCO, it gets in your blood! Doesn't mean you cant be a good officer! You can be even a better officer if you know what it is your men have to deal with when you give them an order. Whit out NCO's You have nothing.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 22 at 2018 2:05 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 22 Apr 2018 14:05:31 -0400

Not disrespectful at all. To me it shows pride in where they started. #RESPECT

Response by SFC Kenneth G. made Apr 30 at 2018 5:47 PM

SFC Kenneth G. — Mon, 30 Apr 2018 17:47:34 -0400

It is not disrespectful at all. I have had officers as leaders that came from the NCO ranks. They were the best officers to work for because they knew where the NCO and Officer line ended when it came to leadership. I think that once you are an NCO, you are always an NCO, even if you become and officer.

Response by SMSgt James Weeks made May 4 at 2018 7:19 PM

SMSgt James Weeks — Fri, 04 May 2018 19:19:04 -0400

Absolutely Not Disrespectful...hats off to you sir

Response by CPT Theodore Encinas made May 8 at 2018 12:03 AM

CPT Theodore Encinas — Tue, 08 May 2018 00:03:59 -0400

As a former Special Forces Sgt. E-5 and after OCS exiting the military as a Capt. 03, I never forgot the NCO Creed and tried to live it throughout my military and Law Enforcement careers. There is never any shame in remembering your roots and living by them.

Response by SGT George Duncan made May 15 at 2018 1:38 PM

SGT George Duncan — Tue, 15 May 2018 13:38:27 -0400

he paid his doos as an NCO

Response by Capt Christian D. Orr made May 21 at 2018 7:46 AM

Capt Christian D. Orr — Mon, 21 May 2018 07:46:08 -0400

Why in the holy heck would it be considered disrespectful?!?! IMHO, I'd consider it a good sign that the officer hasn't forgotten his/her enlisted roots! But then again, I'm admittedly a bit biased, having been a prior-enlisted "O" myself. ;-)

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made May 21 at 2018 9:38 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 21 May 2018 21:38:52 -0400

It is not disrespectful.

I agree with 2LT Dixon in that the words are the tennant of good leadership.

As a former NCO I wanted my Officers to know the NCO Creed. It was important for me in order to ensure they knew my job, on a day to day basis, so they could take that knowledge into their planning and my performance evaluations.

Every Officer should know the NCO Creed. As a leader we are tasked with knowing our jobs and the jobs of those we support and who report to us.

Response by CPO Donald Drake made May 28 at 2018 5:18 PM

CPO Donald Drake — Mon, 28 May 2018 17:18:16 -0400

No it is not

Response by TSgt Gerald Wilson made Jun 7 at 2018 10:58 PM

TSgt Gerald Wilson — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 22:58:26 -0400

Not disrespectful whatsoever. On the contrary, the message in that act from my perspective, is first class all the way. It says that you value where you came from and that you value the NCO enough to know that creed yourself. You're identifying with those you lead. Top shelf sir. However, the classiest actions done from the best motives, still get criticized by ankle-deep intellects - ingrates who couldn't tell their proverbial ass from a hole in the ground. So, recite with feeling but don't be shocked when that one idiot finds a way a to be pissed. Take care of yourself LT.

Response by Edward Samsen made Jun 11 at 2018 9:16 PM

Edward Samsen — Mon, 11 Jun 2018 21:16:08 -0400

It is not at all disrespectful for a "mustang" to recite the NCO creed while serving as a commissioned officer.

Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Jun 13 at 2018 9:54 AM

SFC Casey O'Mally — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:54:37 -0400

Hooah.
And by that I mean, it totally depends on delivery. I have seen, heard (and delivered) some pretty sarcastic (and disrespectful) "hooah"s in my day. If the officer in question is reciting in solidarity and sincerity, than it is not only NOT disrespectful, it is welcome. But if it is recited in a "come on guys, this is way too easy," or an "I know your job better than you attitude," (both of which I have seen) than it is one of the greatest forms of disrespect out there.

Response by SSG Shawn Mcfadden made Jun 16 at 2018 6:47 AM

SSG Shawn Mcfadden — Sat, 16 Jun 2018 06:47:21 -0400

NO! I served under Officers who were prior enlisted. It would be embarrassing for the NCO if they was a total screw up.

Response by SGM Edward Sullivan made Jun 17 at 2018 9:05 PM

SGM Edward Sullivan — Sun, 17 Jun 2018 21:05:21 -0400

I find that having a Junior Officer ask this question is an indictment on the overall PC environment that has permeated into our Uniformed Services. Just the asking means that he/she has been subjected to overt harassment by some element. One of my jobs as a Senior NCO was to guide those new Officers in the correct conduct expected of our Leaders, NOT TO BELITTLE THEIR SERVICE PRIOR TO COMMISSION. Whoever did this needs an old school SGM to conduct remedial training on their sorry butts! Be proud that you went from Enlisted to Commission!!!!

Response by Matt Moon made Jun 20 at 2018 6:08 AM

Matt Moon — Wed, 20 Jun 2018 06:08:27 -0400

No if the Commissioned Officer our Warrant Officer used to be a Enlisted None Comissioned Officer and there reciting the NCO Creed to someone who just became a NCO it's not disrespectful at all the Officer is helping them recite there creed .

Response by SPC Jason Wood made Jun 26 at 2018 10:44 PM

SPC Jason Wood — Tue, 26 Jun 2018 22:44:39 -0400

Not at all. Reciting the NCO creed with an NCO shows your support towards them.

Response by SFC Justin Sager made Jun 30 at 2018 5:27 PM

SFC Justin Sager — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 17:27:07 -0400

It certainly is not. If we are the backbone then how can any disrespect be conceived? The creed has many points of leadership all can benefit from. Be proud of where you came from!

Response by SFC Ken Heise made Jul 7 at 2018 9:58 PM

SFC Ken Heise — Sat, 07 Jul 2018 21:58:51 -0400

Every NCO Induction ceremony that I have been to the MC asks all present and past NCOs to recite the Creed of The Noncomissioned Officer. So no, it’s not disrespectful. Say it loud, say it proud!!

Response by 1SG Dale Cantrell made Jul 9 at 2018 5:11 PM

1SG Dale Cantrell — Mon, 09 Jul 2018 17:11:43 -0400

The NCO Creed is NCO business, I have known several NCOs who were officers, they do not go to the O Club

Response by SSG Wayne Wood made Jul 12 at 2018 3:00 PM

SSG Wayne Wood — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:00:36 -0400

I think it was a way of showing honor and respect - and was probably meant to be that. I hope we don't allow all these creeds and mottos - which were meant to codify and remind us of the ethos and standards we should all work every day to live by do not turn us into a "He Man Woman-Hater's Club" (if you don't get this reference look it up) with a false sense of entitlement or exclusivity. I believe this is contrary to their intent.

Response by SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez made Jul 12 at 2018 3:07 PM

SSG Jose M. Hernandezsanchez — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 15:07:03 -0400

Sir,
In my honest opinion, I don't think is disrespectful at all. As a matter of fact, I worked with several officers which were NCOs at one point in their careers. They were probably the best officers I've ever worked with.

Response by MSgt Stephen Council made Jul 12 at 2018 6:40 PM

MSgt Stephen Council — Thu, 12 Jul 2018 18:40:35 -0400

No. I would hope that officer is proud of their entire heritage.

Response by Sgt Anthony Leverington made Jul 25 at 2018 12:44 AM

Sgt Anthony Leverington — Wed, 25 Jul 2018 00:44:30 -0400

I don't see why it would be.

Response by Lt Col PAul Maxwell made Aug 1 at 2018 8:25 PM

Lt Col PAul Maxwell — Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:25:26 -0400

no. the values are certainly pertinent...whether you are a NON COM or a COM officer...

Response by SPC George Keller made Aug 3 at 2018 11:11 AM

SPC George Keller — Fri, 03 Aug 2018 11:11:25 -0400

If someone thinks so, that person need to leave the military......snowflake.

Response by CSM Charley Heimerdinger made Aug 5 at 2018 1:30 AM

CSM Charley Heimerdinger — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 01:30:18 -0400

Once an NCO always an NCO is what I have counseled everyone of my troops that have become officers. As a leader and former NCO I expect more out of each of them than I do of an officer that has never been an NCO. I take pride in those that keep the NCO corpse creed.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Aug 5 at 2018 3:24 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 15:24:14 -0400

No, I don't see it as disrespectful. That being said, it does kind of blur that line between NCO and Officer. Look at it from a different perspective. If an E-1 or E-2 received the Creed, his/her ass would be in a sling, quick, fast and in a hurry. That Creed belongs to the NCO corps, and only the NCO corps. If you're invited to do so, recite it loud and proud. No invitation, keep your piehole shut.

Response by SSG Rick Miller made Aug 5 at 2018 3:25 PM

SSG Rick Miller — Sun, 05 Aug 2018 15:25:02 -0400

Should say recited, not received. Freaking autocorrect.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2018 9:11 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Aug 2018 21:11:02 -0400

Nope. I’ve been an officer since 2003, and still try to join in all NCO morale-boosting exercises such as NCO runs and of course reciting the creed, when appropriate.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2018 12:59 PM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:59:11 -0400

Every NCO Induction Ceremony that I attended, I also recited the Creed. My NCOs loved the fact that I still remembered it, and commented on that fact. I even surprised most of my Soldiers that I could still remember it. It is a good reminder of where I came from, and also a reminder about lanes and responsibilities. Plus, my NCOs knew that I understood there positions and responsibilities.

Response by COL John R Coe made Aug 14 at 2018 4:16 PM

COL John R Coe — Tue, 14 Aug 2018 16:16:28 -0400

I think it's an honor to recite it with them. ---Dick (Ex-SGT-E5)

Response by CPL Steve Freeman made Aug 23 at 2018 5:07 PM

CPL Steve Freeman — Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:07:54 -0400

I just wana know what kinda idiot came up with this asinine question.

Response by SFC Edward Chandler made Aug 29 at 2018 3:42 AM

SFC Edward Chandler — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 03:42:07 -0400

I would say if he or she is now an officer, that he or she should only receive their Creed! Why would an officer want to receive the NCO Creed anyway?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2018 5:55 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 02 Sep 2018 17:55:16 -0400

It isn't disrespectful. It is just stupid. It is like wearing your team jacket after high school. When you are no longer part of a group don't act like you belong in that group.

Response by SSgt Ryc Lyden made Sep 2 at 2018 9:21 PM

SSgt Ryc Lyden — Sun, 02 Sep 2018 21:21:04 -0400

Response by MSgt Bruce Hutchinson made Sep 8 at 2018 11:44 AM

MSgt Bruce Hutchinson — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 11:44:15 -0400

Why would it be disrespectful? I have never understood these types of questions. If a mustang wishes to say the creed, good

Response by George Oldroyd made Sep 19 at 2018 4:21 PM

George Oldroyd — Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:21:56 -0400

You can decide for yourself if this is germane, but when we have old Scouts visit the troop at Court of Honor time, we are always glad to have them join in when we recite the Scout Oath.

I would think that an officer who wanted to recite the NCO creed would have a mindset very friendly to and considerate of NCO's, which you ought to encourage. If you start gatekeeping and policing who's allowed to say an oath like that aloud, you'll just alienate officers who would otherwise be friendly to your needs.

Plus, and this is just my opinion, don't you want to encourage the progression of NCO's to fill officer roles? Isn't it preferable to be led by mustangs instead of 90-day wonders or even academy grads? Let the officer demonstrate his solidarity with his NCO's and build a sense of camaraderie in the unit.

What do I know? I'm just some guy on the Internet.

Response by Maj John Rivero made Sep 21 at 2018 2:31 PM

Maj John Rivero — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:31:43 -0400

just do it,you know what you are now and what you once were.My NCO 's told me they appreciated it.

Response by CH (MAJ) Scott Fluegel made Sep 30 at 2018 10:51 PM

CH (MAJ) Scott Fluegel — Sun, 30 Sep 2018 22:51:19 -0400

Absolutely Not.

Response by SGT Jon Creager made Oct 3 at 2018 9:01 AM

SGT Jon Creager — Wed, 03 Oct 2018 09:01:54 -0400

No hell no, it is called Esprit de corps. Even if the officer has never been an NCO.

Response by SGM (R) Antonio Brown made Oct 5 at 2018 10:47 PM

SGM (R) Antonio Brown — Fri, 05 Oct 2018 22:47:34 -0400

During my time as an Instructor at the NCOA on Ft Leonard Wood we would ask that all NCOs past and present join the students in reciting the NCO Creed. The officers were NCOs once and that is something officer rank cannot change.

Response by SGT Walter Lester made Oct 8 at 2018 10:58 AM

SGT Walter Lester — Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:58:19 -0400

II don't see anything wrong with reciting the NCO creed. It should be shouted out by all .It should be part of the officers creed too.For a lot of them they were NCO's first

Response by MSgt Alfred Cole made Oct 22 at 2018 12:07 AM

MSgt Alfred Cole — Mon, 22 Oct 2018 00:07:08 -0400

Those who are NCO's know the Creed as a standard for all, those who were have forgotten

Response by PV2 Stephen Walker made Oct 30 at 2018 9:24 PM

PV2 Stephen Walker — Tue, 30 Oct 2018 21:24:14 -0400

I never made it that far but my Dad did. He was a top notch NCO. He made it to CW2 before retiring and never forgot where he came from. Therefore I don't think it's disrespectful in the least.

Response by PO1 Don Tucker made Nov 4 at 2018 6:35 PM

PO1 Don Tucker — Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:35:55 -0500

Having started out as an 11B10P back in 71, never heard of an NCO creed? Retired in 93 from the Navy, we never had that stuff?

Response by MSG Jd Cotham made Jan 29 at 2019 9:16 PM

MSG Jd Cotham — Tue, 29 Jan 2019 21:16:10 -0500

My son was an enlisted combat medic for nine years, he is now a promotable captain. He would recite it in a heartbeat and I support his right to do so. I think this a feeble question.

Response by CMSgt Dennis Hawxhurst made Apr 4 at 2019 11:11 PM

CMSgt Dennis Hawxhurst — Thu, 04 Apr 2019 23:11:01 -0400

Some may see it as inappropriate; but certainly IS NOT disrespectful