Is it okay to wear the deployment OCP when you've never been deployed?

2016-03-17T19:22:01-04:00

I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc. he approached me for work and as we were talking he brought up how things worked at his last unit, and I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so. Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 7:24 PM

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Edit: I think I'm referring to "Multicam" uniform he was wearing.

Response by SFC Benjamin Harrison made Mar 17 at 2016 8:34 PM

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Read AR 670-1. I rather show you where to find the answer than merely give it to you.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 9:15 PM

2016-03-17T21:15:46-04:00

PFC Morter, during the transition all three are authorized;

ACU- UCP
ACU- Multicam(OEF)
ACU- OCP

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2016 7:01 AM

2016-03-18T07:01:29-04:00

SPC Private RallyPoint Member Soldiers are not E-5 or whatever, you call the person by their Rank (in that case Sergeant).

Response by SGM Steve Wettstein made Mar 18 at 2016 8:26 AM

2016-03-18T08:26:46-04:00

Sure it is. In fact, I gave mine to my son who came in in '13, so he wouldn't have to wear the ugly ass UCP ACUs any more. Also, you are not required to wear badges or SSI-FWTS on ACUs. I have known many NCOs and Os that didn't wear them. Even though this NCO didn't deploy you shouldn't judge by what is attached to their uniform. Judge them by how the lead.

Response by SSG Dan Willmont made Mar 18 at 2016 8:46 AM

2016-03-18T08:46:56-04:00

These OEF-CP has been around a lot longer that the last year, they started finding their way in to Afghanistan around '09-'10 and were pretty much standard In Afghanistan by 2011.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Mar 18 at 2016 9:08 AM

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Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2016 11:40 AM

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Yes, they are authorized.
My guess is that the Soldier wanted to fit in and bought them at the surplus store.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2016 2:09 PM

2016-03-18T14:09:17-04:00

It is authorized to anyone who has them as a transition uniform. When my unit first started phasing the new OCP in, Clothing Sales didn't have them yet, but all the DS were getting issued theirs straight form CIIP. So I went off post to US Patriot Tactical and bought a set of the Multicam OCP and wore that for a couple months until I could get the new OCP uniform. It is authorized and okay. If anyone has an issue with this, you could respectfully point them to the MilPER message dictating this.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2016 11:32 AM

2016-03-19T11:32:27-04:00

So the new uniform for the army is the OCP. Anyone who deployed to Afghanistan in like 2010 or later was issued Multicam.

OCP and Multicam are similar patterns. There is just enough difference for it to be considered two different patterns.

The way you can tell the difference is the pockets on the sleeves. The new OCP are zippered instead of the velcro. And these outfits are available for purchase.

Since they were just put out as being the new uniform last year, there is a wear out date. I think it's like September of 2019 for people to wear the ACUs or Multicam. There are also regs that talk about what parts you can still wear with the OCP or multicam. Because the new OCP will have a greenish shirt, belt and boots.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2016 11:38 AM

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Yes. And they are way more comfortable too.

Response by CW4 Scott Hyde made Mar 19 at 2016 1:59 PM

2016-03-19T13:59:36-04:00

What do you hope to gain from this inquiry?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2016 2:34 PM

2016-03-19T14:34:28-04:00

Great responses. Every response I've read so far not only has taught this PFC respect, but exemplified what it is to be an NCO. Citing regulations, teaching respect for leadership, and more.

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2016 6:18 PM

2016-03-19T18:18:22-04:00

Some units receive OCP through RFI without deploying. This includes SOF units and GRF units such as the 82d.

Response by SPC Alexander Brandt made Mar 20 at 2016 6:25 AM

2016-03-20T06:25:41-04:00

In February, my unit went on a week long FTX to Poland (I know that a week isn't very impressive, but hey, what am I gonna do about it?). As part of our field preparation, there was a mass exodus to CIF, where more than half the company were issued either multicam, or some variation of OCP. I personally was issued the old school multicams, fades and all.

So yes, he is authorized to wear them, deployment or no.

Response by TSgt Marco McDowell made Mar 20 at 2016 9:15 AM

2016-03-20T09:15:20-04:00

AFN over here keeps saying they're good to go. I see lots of soldiers stationed here wearing them. Is it a no-go stateside?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2016 1:49 PM

2016-03-20T13:49:28-04:00

Perhaps this is a question in which you should have asked the SGT right then and there. He/ she could have probably educated you on the spot. That is what NCO's are for; don't be afraid to ask in person.

Response by SFC James Young made Mar 20 at 2016 11:22 PM

2016-03-20T23:22:29-04:00

Dear Snot Nosed PFC, have you ever been deployed? Then shut up!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 20 at 2016 11:47 PM

2016-03-20T23:47:19-04:00

PFC, I have been issued multicam gear before my second deployment, which shortly after that issue got canceled. I still have that great and a MILPER message that says I can wear it until the official wear out date in 2019. There is a good chance the sergeant you refer to is in the same boat. Either way, as long as that NCO is not in violation of AR 670-1, there's nothing to get worked up about.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 1:21 AM

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Multicam is now being issued at BCT/IET. I've had Soldier come back on HRAP and they are wearing them. Plus per AR 670-1 and SUBJ/ALARACT 085/2015 – TRANSITION TO OPERATIONAL CAMOUFLAGE PATTERN ARMY COMBAT UNIFORM (ACU) ENSEMBLE.

Response by CSM James Winslow made Mar 22 at 2016 8:38 AM

2016-03-22T08:38:06-04:00

The answer is yes. OCPs are available to be bought from Military Surplus (even the post Thrift Store has a bunch, I'll bet). There was guidance published by the CSA about which uniforms can be worn during the transition period to the new uniform. No stipulations about how or where you got the uniform. If you are unsure, ask your supervisor.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 10:21 AM

2016-03-22T10:21:49-04:00

The OCP uniform was the standard uniform for Afghanistan from about 2010/2011 to present. Many Soldiers got out after they got back, sold them to surplus stores and probably gave them to buddies. I imagine he was given some from a Soldier who was deployed. The guidance put out by SMA doesn't state anything about having been deployed in order to wear it. It was an assumption that those who had it were previously deployed, but nothing stated they had to of been. Honestly I don't see it as a big deal. If he wears the uniform correctly and doesn't try to pretend he was deployed, who really cares. I wear mine everyday. I will buy the new one when I have too, but I have so many pairs of the OCP from previous deployments, I'll wear them until I can't. Long and short...is it authorized, YES, is it common, first I've heard of it, but it really isn't that big a deal.

Response by SPC(P) Carlos Santini made Mar 22 at 2016 1:49 PM

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http://www.army.mil/article/149543/Operational_Camouflage_Pattern_Army_Combat_Uniforms_available_July_1/

Operational Camouflage Pattern Army Combat Uniforms available July 1

The Army announced today the release of the Operational Camouflage Pattern in Soldier uniforms. The Operational Camouflage Pattern will be available for purchase in select Military Clothing Sales Stores beginning, July 1.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 2:57 PM

2016-03-22T14:57:01-04:00

Yes during the transitional period he can wear that uniform but he has to wear the desert boots, desert belt and tan shirt we wore with ACUs

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 11:17 PM

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SPC Private RallyPoint Member I've seen most of your replies. This is the bottom line. If the regulations say that it is authorized, then it is AUTHORIZED. Whether or not you believe that he should be wearing them. Research AR 670-1 and every other memo that has come down to make a determination. Your "opinion" does not count. Bonus tip: Wearing mismatched uniform items is authorized (i.e. full OCP uniform with ACU cold weather gear).

"Can I wear my green fleece or Universal Camouflage Pattern cold weather gear with the OCP?

Answer: Yes. There is no requirement for issued Organizational Clothing and Individual Equipment (OCIE) such as Wet Weather gear, and Extended Cold Weather Clothing System (ECWCS) items to be of the same camouflage pattern as the uniform worn. Wear guidance for OCIE is established by the issuing command, and all items that have been issued are permitted for wear in accordance with locally established policies regardless of camouflage pattern."

Source: http://www.army.mil/article/156735/Frequently_Asked_Questions__Operational_Camouflage_Pattern_Uniform/

Frequently Asked Questions: Operational Camouflage Pattern Uniform

Since the Army's 1 July 2015 update to PAM 670-1 (Guide to the Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia), Headquarters, Department of the Army has received a number of inquiries from the field; specifically regarding wear guidance for the Operational Camouflage Pattern uniform. In response to these inquiries, the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff, G1 developed a Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) document for dissemination down to the...

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 12:07 AM

2016-03-23T00:07:04-04:00

I have a pair that I wear and I have never deployed.

Buddy had a great new set from a deployment that wasn't used, it was my size, and I don't plan on shelling out for the new uniforms until 2019.

That being said, I know that although not required, it's kind of nice to know that if I know 99% of the people at a function or gathering will be wearing the new uniform, I won't stick out like a sore thumb so badly.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 6:36 AM

2016-03-23T06:36:08-04:00

You can by OCP's on your own, they are not indicative of time overseas. A brand new private can buy and wear them if they want to spend the money.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2016 12:07 PM

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Seems like he asked a question respectfully to me. No need to light him up for being curious about regulations on wear of uniforms, and that's probably why he asked on a forum instead of questioning his leadership.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2016 11:52 PM

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I don't understand how he is being disrespectful. He is clearly just asking a question on regulations. All he was asking if they were authorized because he doesn't know the regulation.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Apr 7 at 2016 9:32 AM

2016-04-07T09:32:49-04:00

Goodwill is more than the name of a thrift store. He was truthful so let it go.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 7 at 2016 10:37 AM

2016-04-07T10:37:44-04:00

Have you thought he might be issued with the unit deploying as RFI.not everybody deploys not so maybe that's how he got them. And yes you can wear them until you get the new uniform.

Response by SGT Chris Hill made Apr 7 at 2016 12:39 PM

2016-04-07T12:39:28-04:00

Firs of all PFC, it's not proper to call an NCO by their pay grade. Secondly, OCPs and multicam are authorized to wear, maybe he got them from a buddy who had extra sets or maybe he got them from a thrift store, it's not your lane to challenge an NCO about what he wears. You should have been dropped and smoked for being disrespectful.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2016 7:51 AM

2016-04-08T07:51:35-04:00

He's allowed to wear it. It's just strange. When the regulations said you could wear the 3 types we had a SPC who never deployed wearing them. I have a slick sleeve, but I would feel wrong wearing it without a deployment patch.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2016 4:50 PM

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Yes. It's considered an active service uniform, as long as it's service-able and follows the regulations set by the army aka AR 670-1

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2016 8:33 PM

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No such thing as a "deployed OCP." There is multicam and our new OCP. Get your terminology right.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 8 at 2016 8:36 PM

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Oh, the admin police...take down a post. lol.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2016 9:35 AM

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Hey guy instead of posting this on a news feed how about you just ask the Sargent him or herself

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 11 at 2016 8:13 PM

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I don't see the problem here. Please forgive my ignorance as I'm only a pfc who hasn't had the honor of deploying yet. However, I don't see the issue if it's authorized

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 12 at 2016 4:42 PM

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SPC Private RallyPoint Member ok before you come at people check the altarac I wear multicams everyday at my unit almost no one else does.....I was on order in 2012 to deploy it for cancelled I was issued my uniforms and gear had to return the multi helmet cover and armour and the like but have all uniforms and combat tops boots and pants and cold weather gear. Its authorized till 2018 then you have to have the new crap. And also don't be disrepectful to people who are answering your question

Response by MAJ Heriberto Rodriguez made Jun 28 at 2016 10:22 PM

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There is nothing wrong at all to wear the deployment OCP right now they are being issue in the military clothing. I bought 5 pair.

Response by SGT Chris Tilton made Jun 29 at 2016 9:05 AM

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Hi, my name is rally point. I have a large social media platform within the military community. Instead of using this platform to bring people together or to post useful and helpful shit, we are going to make it a giant bitch fest. Cheers!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2016 11:02 AM

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Buying used FRACUs were cheaper than the OCPs at clothing sales. I got two pair, both jacket and pants for $80 at the surplus store. The OCP itself for one pair can cost over $90 at clothing sales.

Response by PO1 Harry Champagne made Jun 29 at 2016 1:32 PM

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JUST A BIT OF INFO ON THE NAVYS ENLISTED RATING SYSTEM.E-4 THRU E-6 ARE CALLED PETTY OFFICERS E-7 THRU E-9 ARE CALLED CHIEF,SENIOR CHIEF,MASTER CHIEF ( PETTY OFFICERS.)
E-4 THRU E-6 ARE SOMETIMES CALLED BY THERE RATING EXAMPLE AN E-6 PO-1 CAN BE CALLED HM-1 ( MEDIC IN ARMY LINGO.)

Response by SGT Robert Pennington made Jun 29 at 2016 6:09 PM

2016-06-29T18:09:56-04:00

Honestly this is the wrong type of question to be asking on a military networking sight. Ask questions about how you can be a better solider, not how you can regulate other people's actions.

Response by PO1 Hector Maldonado made Jun 29 at 2016 6:53 PM

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1. The question asked was whether the particular uniform was authorized. Since the person asking is a PFC, then I would gather this is more clarification than accusatory. Instruction could have been given, either by explaining the regulation, or giving him direction as to where to find it.

2. Since this is a "ecumenical military personnel" site, the use of enlisted rank was less disrespect and more giving the crowd info as to the rank. As much as I try, I will FUBAR your titles every time I try. I will ask, and try to learn. To drop a duece on this youngster because of an assumed faux pas went way beyond. If he is talking to an all Army crowd, that's different, but this isn't it.

3. Instruct your troops instead of crapping all over them. This isn't a college fraternity house with useless hazing and embarrassment rituals...it's the US military, where people many times put their ass on the line. Treat him like a younger brother, mess with him a little, but insure that instruction is given and recieved. If y'all get this crazy over a uniform issue, can you imagine what the answers would be to some REAL shit?

Response by 2d Lt Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2016 7:41 PM

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They're working to phase out ACUs. ROTC cadets get issued OCPs now.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2016 8:27 PM

2016-06-29T20:27:09-04:00

Ocp, scorpion, ACU all authorized for wear right now. He may have picked up a set from a buddy. Mind your bearing and use your judgement when dealing with this NCO.

Response by SGT Doug Turner made Jun 29 at 2016 8:41 PM

2016-06-29T20:41:26-04:00

Yeah, he can wear them. It's not an uncommon question, I got out in 13 and still train guys on deployment orders. A lot of guys are wearing deployment uniforms they get issued and then they get dropped from the deoyment roster last minute due to the numbers game.

The end game is simple. This SGT is a young NCO. Some have experience and some do not. But now they have earned the trust of the Army to lead troops and join a proud group of Non-commissioned Officers. The NCO Corp is a bit of a self policing group. If he was out of reg, I can promise you he never would've gotten to the point he was standing in front of you. Another NCO would have discretely pulled him aside and corrected his deficiency NCO to NCO.

I encourage you to keep asking questions and learning the right way. Learn the regs and adhere to them and you'll make a fine NCO one day.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2016 8:45 PM

2016-06-29T20:45:50-04:00

I mean it's a little lame to wear them without actually having deployed but it's authorized.

Response by SSG Ian Guttendorf made Jun 29 at 2016 8:59 PM

2016-06-29T20:59:05-04:00

First off you need to read regulations, PRIVATE, before you begin to run your mouth. Second E-5 is a pay grade not rank. That sergeant earned their rank, they were recommended by their superior and you should recognize that. Third, why the hell are you on the internet asking when you could have approached that sergeant to fulfill your curiosity?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2016 9:24 PM

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Currently UCP, OEF-CP, and OCP are authorized to wear. Since the military owns OCP the only way to get it is from issue or AAFES. If he bought some online at any Hooah shop it would be OEF-CP since they are not authorized to print or sell OCP.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2016 9:48 PM

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I'm am going to be nice as I can be. Why are you questioning a Sargeant (E-5 pay grade)? Was this NCO, that means a Non-commissioned officer. I started my career only about 3.2 decades ago, that is three X ten plus two. I have children that are older than you. My children are fairly versed in AR-670-1, DA Pam 760-1. So my first deployment was 1991-1992 my last was 2005-2006. Until last year I wouldn't wear a combat patch (the one you earned to wear on the right sleeve). I also earned the right to wear the combat action badge. Not for guarding the defac, because of multiple combat insidents. I would wear them because I found it not necessary to let everyone know where I've been or what I've done. If you need to know you can ask my ex wife or my kids. The'll tell you how much it sucked for there dad to be gone. How much it sucked to know did my dad get killed today. This is one of the core problem with soldiers today, I don't have to justify shit to you. I make my uniform it doesn't make me. I made my rank/grade it doesn't make me. My rank is more than just a pay grade, it doesn't mean how smart I am. Instead of questioning a person who could be a mentor to you learn from him. My job is to train and mentor soldiers to take my place. Young soldier you sound like a BNP, here is a suggestion. Pull your head out of your forth point of contact. Shut the hole under your nose. Open the two holes over your nose. Open the two holes on the side of your head. Use the input information that comes from the four holes to input into the grey matter between your ears. If you do this you might be a good soldier, a good leader and if your luck a good NCO.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2016 11:05 PM

2016-06-29T23:05:40-04:00

Deployment patches are not required anywhere in regulation. It is the individual soldier's decision if he wishes to wear it or not. I had an oic, a captain mind you who didn't wear one.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 29 at 2016 11:20 PM

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This is ridiculous

Response by SPC David Gray made Jun 29 at 2016 11:37 PM

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What is PvP I'm old school

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 12:39 AM

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I was supposed to deploy twice while in the 82nd. I drew RFI twice..... But even though I didn't deploy, after the new regs in july 15. We were able to wear our deployment gear when ever we wanted. We never got in trouble or asked why we wore them. If anybody questioned us, we showed them the regs.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 1:05 AM

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PFC,

My advice to you is to worry less about the NCO's uniform that he/she is wearing and more about the experience and leadership they are potentially bringing to your unit. Focus on their ability to perform and on the job technical experience that will in turn make you a better soldier.

-SGT Fullana

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 1:35 AM

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My question is Why the fuck is this Private asking this question about a NCO if it was wrong the squad leader or Platoon SGT would say something to the NCO this private needs to stay in their lane

Response by SFC Shannon Moore made Jun 30 at 2016 4:36 AM

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Poor kid asked for clarification on a uniform and if it was being worn correctly. Best responses thus far have been the ones that have either responded directly by telling him or showing where to look. (Most of those were from senior NCOs, which says alot.) Why you ripping this kid up, merely asked a question to something he thought MAY have been wrong and wanted clarification.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 9:07 AM

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This is a stupid question for a stupid reason. Get back to work.

Response by SGT Nicholas Eineichner made Jun 30 at 2016 9:08 AM

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For everyone asking why he didn't ask the SGT right on the spot, most of the replies here show exactly why. A young soldier is looking for information and he gets jumped on and basically verbally assaulted for trying to gain knowledge. Way to go guys, keep up the stellar treatment.

Response by PO3 Donald Murphy made Jun 30 at 2016 9:12 AM

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Stupid Navy Sailor question: do you Soldiers not get "announcements" about new uniforms, what they look like, who can wear them and when? In the Navy we'd get an "all hands" announcement showing the new uniform in color, male and female derivatives of it and when it can be utilized. Is the Navy the only branch that does this?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 10:10 AM

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Yes he can wear them. I remember being issued DCU's and then not deploying that year and then the very next year getting ACU's.

Also those other NCOs on this site trying to rip you a new one for asking questions is a prime example of how not to act when you are a leader

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 12:38 PM

2016-06-30T12:38:44-04:00

In Germany we did a field rotation to Poland where all soldiers were issued ocp

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 3:04 PM

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As long as it is not in violation of AR 670-1, then Soldiers are entitled to wear whichever uniform they feel like wearing. As for the Deployment uniforms, they were only issued to those that were deployed but you can go buy a set at your local surplus store if you want to wear them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 5:05 PM

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I hate to be snarky because it's unbecoming of an NCO but my God Private, try doing an ounce of research on your own. The Army hides this type of information in things like Army Regulations, DA Pam's, ALARACT and MILPER messages. I understand you don't know what you don't know but I'd bet you can roll the hell out of some sleeves.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 6:47 PM

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Army Surplus store be my guess

Response by SGT Randel Pruett made Jun 30 at 2016 6:51 PM

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Things change all the time but if someone outranking you is wearing it properly then it's more than likely authorized. I remember all the different work uniforms I've worn and still have most of them. Korean issue cotton, Vietnam issue jungle Fatigues and Tiger Stripe, Permanent Press (Hated These), BDU's, Chocolate Chip Dessert, Tri-Color Dessert, and Arctic White. There's been a bunch since then.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 7:31 PM

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Since you were issue OCP at basic I'm assuming you've been in all of like 4 months. You should probably keep the stupid questions the minimum. With less than a year in service you should be seen and not heard.
It's called Multicam, for starters. And it it authorized for everyone to wear until 2018, along with the ACUs.
You can wear any of the 3 uniforms as you see fit until 2018 when they are phased out.
You coulda Googled that bro.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 7:59 PM

2016-06-30T19:59:15-04:00

Why not just ask that Sargeant? He could have squared this question.

Response by SFC Richard Giles made Jun 30 at 2016 8:51 PM

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Is this SGT your FLL? If he is there is a time and place for everything. If he is not the 1st place you need to go to is your FLL to ask questions like this.
Just some advice for you..... A crusty "Gunny" once told a long time ago don't put yourself in the spotlight for doing or saying things you know nothing about. But if you must have the spotlight on you make sure it is for a good reason.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 8:52 PM

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Yes they are authorized reguardless of how they got issued or purchased in this case. Get busy being the best Joe you can be and don't sweat these things. Good luck

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 9:01 PM

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FRACU or Flame Retardant Army Combat Uniform is authorized for wear in garrison per AR 670-1. There is no requirement to deploy to be authorized to wear. You can buy these through military clothing if you really want. However, I wouldn't waste my money on that.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 9:05 PM

2016-06-30T21:05:08-04:00

Yes. He is. And it's way more comfortable than the new OCPs. In fact I might by buy some used ones, and I have deployed but deployed in FRACUs.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 9:13 PM

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Hey PFC, how about taking some initiative and find out by reading the regs. I know several NCO's who have not been deployed yet, dont make them bad leaders or any less of a leader. Police down not up- believe me when i say it, there is someone watching that young Sergeant and if he is wrong his fellow NCO's will certainly correct him.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 30 at 2016 9:43 PM

2016-06-30T21:43:36-04:00

Yes it is, there is no regulation that states any soldier regardless of rank can't wear OCP uniforms.

Response by SGT Michael Wade made Jun 30 at 2016 10:16 PM

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Well I don't believe in him wearing a deployment patch that he hasn't earned.. We were told we didn't get that honor till we were deployed and boots on ground for 30 days.. But then agian.. Anyone that's been deployed had watched the leadership pass out bronze stars too themselves and pat themselves on the back.. Well the lower enlisted get their Arcoms downgraded.. So I guess it's who ya know..

Response by 1SG Jorge Guzman made Jun 30 at 2016 10:40 PM

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Yes, deployment multi-cam are authorized for wear until 30 Sep 2019, due to the transition to OCP uniforms. regardless if the wearer has deployed or not. Because they are authorized for wear.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 4:13 AM

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He may have gotten them during CIF issue or RFI issue. I know a lot of Soldiers in Aviation that walk around with all sort of uniform they where issued and they want ever see the desert. If it's issued fuck it wear it. Shit cost to damn much anyways.

Response by CPT Michael Moffeit made Jul 1 at 2016 4:30 AM

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Do you mean Multi-cam? If so, there's nothing that says he can't wear them. All three are allowed through the transition period.

Response by Sgt Dale Briggs made Jul 1 at 2016 8:06 AM

2016-07-01T08:06:02-04:00

My sons AF attached to 2/2 Stryker, when he deploys he wears Army multi cams obviously, and. I thought he mentioned he could wear them on return for 30 days. Then back to ABUs.

Response by SGT David T. made Jul 1 at 2016 8:40 AM

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Why is it that when a lower enlisted ask a question many so called NCOs rip them up and down? Nothing he said was remotely out of line. Maybe referring to NCO by his pay grade wasn't the best way to phrase it, but that hardly merits some of the responses I have seen. Isn't a NCO's job to train and lead Soldiers? Many of you did just that by answering the question directly or pointing him to the location of the answer. Many of you did not. Many of you were rude, unprofessional, arrogant, and totally not acting like NCOs. If you have to demand subservience under the guise of respect on a social media site because a lower enlisted Soldier asked a simple question then you really need to take a long hard look in the mirror. There was a time when you were lower enlisted and didn't know something. I am disgusted about how many of you forgot where you came from. But what I do I know? I was only a junior NCO.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 9:05 AM

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Listen here son, go elevate your feet and stop worrying about things that have nothing to do with you. I will never understand why I see people spending so much time and emotion with these petty complaints. I bet you're in one of those units like I saw yesterday hanging out in their motor pool joking and smoking and riding hover boards around.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 9:10 AM

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I'm just here for the comments, but yeah they're good to go to answer the question.

Response by SGT Aaron Tollman made Jul 1 at 2016 9:42 AM

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NCOs, quit dumping on this PFC for asking a question! SFC Benjamin Harrison made a good point, LEAD him to the answer. That is what NCOs do. Dirtbag soldiers are made by dirtbag NCOs that don't LEAD. His question was asked in a respectful manner, so he deserves a respectful response.

Response by SrA Bruce Bustin made Jul 1 at 2016 10:14 AM

2016-07-01T10:14:22-04:00

If I may give my advice to you that I have to my son, 1. You have no political/personal opinions regarding the POTUS or our military. 2. NEVER attempt to show up or question those above you in rank or in your unit. It may come back to bite you later. That is not your job. 3. Just do YOUR JOB! Let others sort any other BS.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 10:18 AM

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It's an authorized uniform under AR 670-1. There is no such thing as a deployment uniform. The unit commander can authorize the wear of any authorized uniform in his command as long as it falls within the regulation. I would suggest that you get a copy of AR 670-1 so that you can educate yourself. This last sentence is a suggestion and not meant in any derogatory way.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 10:19 AM

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They're also given to any person that walks in a surplus store and pays for them. Who cares what uniform he's wearing, he's an NCO. Word of advice, don't get wrapped up in patches, badges, and uniforms. That stuff comes with doing your job and doing it well.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 11:08 AM

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I'm of the mind that there is no stupid question except the one left unasked and unanswered. If a private sees a sergeant doing something that he believes to be incorrect or out of regulation, it may be difficult for that private to then fully respect that sergeant. So if, instead of degrading that private, someone instead clarifies that it is in fact authorized, that private will be provided the information to no longer continue in the belief that this sergeant is ate up. Respect to the rank is expected and required, but respect of the person and leader is earned. The two are vastly different. I will settle for respect of my rank, which I know will net me the minimal effort required to accomplish the mission to standard. What I work for is respect of my person and position as a leader, which I know will net me the effort required to exceed the standard. PFC Morter, as you move up in the ranks, there will be times that you see things that don't seem to add up. Don't be afraid to question, but do know the appropriate time, place, and delivery. For example, you could have asked your question more concisely, and avoided the angry retorts from NCOs who felt you were trying to sharpshooter one of their own, by simply asking, "Is it authorized to wear the multi-cam uniform issued to deploying soldiers, even if you have never deployed?" This would have netted you the answer you desired without some of the unprofessional responses that have unfortunately been subjected to here. Take this as a lesson forward, as well. Presentation is important, and so is audience. Both of those factors need to be taken into account in order to get the best results.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 12:35 PM

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They are phasing out the ACU version and the new uniform is the OCP.

Response by CPT Robert Boshears made Jul 1 at 2016 12:42 PM

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Now I go back to MACV, but a patch on the right sleeve was your unit, you were in combat, or assigned to in the combat theatre. But, he said he had never deployed. Look at his medals, look for the CAR, Combat Action Ribbon, which only the Marines and Navy received for being in combat. It wouldn't be fitting to call an NCO a liar until you knew everything. It is rare, but there (I heard only) was a Navy SEAL who got out and went to Army OCS. Infantry Officers with the CAR, with a Brigade Commander approving, used to be able to trade the CAR for a CIB.

Response by SFC Bruce Pettengill made Jul 1 at 2016 1:19 PM

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I am trying to figure out the basis of this question. Are you looking at the Sergeant and wondering if you are allowed to wear the same uniform he is? or are you looking to sharp shoot the NCO because of your extensive experience in the U.S. Army? It's not wrong to ask questions, however you have what you need to find the correct answers, the chain of command or AR 670-1?

I have held many leadership and instructor positions during my career and one thing that always fried my brain was that soldiers would say or correct me on something they thought or heard. For instance I entered a new unit as a PS. After talking to the soldiers while in formation, I called them back to Attention then Dismissed them it was around 09:00. Several RBI's (respond by endorsement. "yes I know") were handed out directly following the formation to soldiers in my platoon that decided to correct me by saying they could go home.

The first thing you should have done was ask the Sergeant in question directly. "Sergeant I have seen many soldiers that have not been deployed wearing the OCP's I thought they were only allowed to wear this type of uniform if you were actually deployed?" as I am sure it would come off better if he was not wearing the OCP's at the time.

Lastly, if this question was intended to sharp shoot anyone, then I would tell you this pay attention to yourself and the few soldiers you out rank. As a Soldier that spent 27 years in the Army, I can tell you the Army needs new soldiers that can come in and take over for those of that have finished our careers. Relatively new soldiers as yourself need to learn leadership and team work.

I commend you on deciding to join the Army during these times and thank you for your service.
Soldier on

Response by PVT Andrew Burd made Jul 1 at 2016 2:53 PM

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don't you mean SERGEANT? ...PRIVATE?

how about you do PFC stuff and mind your own fuckin business ...***PRIVATE***

this is the biggest problem I see with "Today's Army" ...some pimple faced little brat thinks he's got the right to say something about someone who OUTRANKS HIM....

Response by SGT Justin Moore made Jul 1 at 2016 3:31 PM

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Aren't they changing to the ocp anyway? shit I got out two years ago and I'm watching cadets wear that shit. They're all dirt bags that think their shit don't stink. If this NCO is a tool then use said tool, if he's actually legit and lives up to the creed then appreciate it. Either way it doesn't matter what uniform he wears it still has us army and the American flag on it.

Response by MSgt Jay Cooper made Jul 1 at 2016 5:04 PM

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Reading through this string reminded me of why I don't often visit this site. My apologies to those who tried to be helpful and professional; to the original and subsequent posts. But I'm dismayed and disgusted by the number of nasty, childish, and completely unprofessional statements made my individuals whose claimed rank would lead one to expect better from them.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 5:05 PM

2016-07-01T17:05:14-04:00

i got multi cams issued to me and i didnt deploy and i wear mine during field training... you dont have to be deployed to get them... your unit can issue them if they want...

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 5:08 PM

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also my unit goes on missons to africa and they have to get the Multi cams for that.... stay in a little longer and you will learn more ..... you shouldnt even have put this on here... you could have asked this question to your NCO and had him clarify

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 5:18 PM

2016-07-01T17:18:21-04:00

He purchased it, and it is authorized.

Response by SGT Frances Richardson made Jul 1 at 2016 7:12 PM

2016-07-01T19:12:37-04:00

Me downrange with NO patch.

Mind you, this was my third and last deployment. Regulations state patches are optional, not mandatory.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 7:17 PM

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PFC Morter, during the transition period ACU, Multicam, and OCPs are authorized for wear. Just because Multicam was issued to deploying soldiers does not preclude them from use by soldiers who were not deployed. I had a soldier (PFC) that could not afford to make the transition to OCPs, so I gave him my Multicam from my deployment. That being said, you would be better off getting rid of the "he was/wasn't deployed" mentality. He earned his rank, and deserves respect regardless of which uniform he is in.

Response by SGT Dakota Sokolove made Jul 1 at 2016 7:31 PM

2016-07-01T19:31:43-04:00

He probably bought them. ACU stands for army combat uniform. That is the clothing itself. There are different colors or patterns. UCP (universal camouflage pattern) is the digital camo. OCP-EF (operational camouflage pattern- enduring freedom) and the new uniform OCP or the scorpion pattern.

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Jul 1 at 2016 8:39 PM

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This has got to be one of the crazier threads I've seen in a minute. Speaking for me as a Soldier, if I had a question, depending on what it was, the first thing I'd be asked is "did you look it up"? If I said no, I'd be sent on my way and told to look it up and get back to him. It teaches you how to be somewhat self proficient in looking up regs and interpreting what they are saying. As I went on up in the years, the questions became less, being I knew within reason where to look, and if it was not clear, I could tell my next higher, this is what I read in AR, FM, DA PAM, MILPER, this is what I take it as, and we'd discuss what it means to both of us. I'm not petty enough to worry about if someone is wearing a uniform without a patch, and if it bothered me enough, 670-1 is everyone favorite reg short of 600-9 or 600-20. FM 22-102 will always be a classic. At your level these are all things you should be getting acquainted with even if your plan it to do your time and bounce. You can rest assured if you ever get the Magic Bullet, you'll be reading your ass off. I also think calling this NCO an E5 is questionable. Yes I've done it, and it wasn't right then. Doesn't give me free run to let you make the same mistake I did. SGM Erik Marquez's flowchart is simple KISS type stuff. Believe it or not, with a few word changes, you could apply it to damn near anything in the Army.

Response by Gregory Pasquier made Jul 1 at 2016 9:03 PM

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What is a OCP? Are you referring to a SSI-FWTS?

Response by SGT Michael Heffner made Jul 1 at 2016 10:56 PM

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If I'm not mistaken when the OCP's were slated to replace the ACU's. They were first to be issued to rapid deployment units & then move down the supply chain. It was also stated that newer recruits would be issued COP instead of the ACU. Lastly it was going to be left up to major commands to set policy on when personnel will start & complete the uniform change over as it occured

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 1 at 2016 11:50 PM

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FYI, that pattern of uniform used to be called 'OCP', which is now called 'OEF-CP' or the trade name for the camouflage pattern is MultiCam(Multi-Cam). All three uniforms are Army Combat Uniforms, but usually the original ACU is referred to as such, while the later variants are referred to by their camouflage patterns.
Getting back to your question, it's perfectly fine to wear that uniform, as it is not a deployment award, skill badge, or sort of 'reward' for deployment.
Now as to how he got the uniform, he may have been in a unit that was about to deploy from 2011-present, but due to extenuating circumstances, he did not deploy.
Does that answer your question?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 3:33 AM

2016-07-02T03:33:05-04:00

Sounds like a very salty (has been CPL that couldn't get his shit on the right track to me)

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 4:08 AM

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You can have the OCP issued to you for missions other than combat deployments.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 8:40 AM

2016-07-02T08:40:24-04:00

I wore multicams right out of basic. 30th Ag had no ones size when we went to turn in our acus. I had one servicable uniform.So i stopped at commandos and got me a pair. Yes multicams were specifically for guys goin to afg but with the recent alaract because of the new upcoming uniform change all uniforms are good to wear until the wear out date, when ocp will be the only authorized . Besides, you dont earn a uniform, you earn a deployment patch. This is probably the most petty BS ive seen on rp.

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 8:49 AM

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Its clear why your still a PFC no respect for rank nor knowledge of AR 670-1

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Jul 2 at 2016 10:28 AM

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How is this even a discussion? I read through a few of the comments and I only wonder why in gods name would you need to post this kind of idiocy... A five second google for 670-1 and then a three second ctrl+F query for wear of that particular uniform and you would of had your answer... What happened to soldiers educating themselves? Nowadays I guess it is far more satisfying to post on the internet and see if you can get some kind of pat on your back for calling someone out. Well kid, it backfired and now you are the one who looks like a moron... Get off the forums and fb and whatever, pick up some ARs and FMs and learn something...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 10:48 AM

2016-07-02T10:48:55-04:00

Most of these responses makes me want to drop this website. This is not leading the way. All Soldier are entitled to outstanding leadership and this is not it. This will be last post and good job for who those who tried to teach this young Soldier.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 12:39 PM

2016-07-02T12:39:11-04:00

OCP can be purchased at any PX. The uniform you are thinking of is the multicams. They were issued to deploying soldiers in the past. ocp's are the new uniform that the Army is transitioning to. And yes they resemble multicams but there are differences.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 1:23 PM

2016-07-02T13:23:58-04:00

The short answer is yes, anyone can wear them. The advice I give here is that you shouldn't be worried about what others are wearing. Concern yourself with more important things, like the orders/direction the Sergeant is giving you. Priorities.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 1:52 PM

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I went on a "mini deployment" last year to Poland in a show of force against Russia. I got the whole OCP set 4 uniforms and all the TA50 bells and whistles. I didn't get a patch and it's not even on my ERB or anything.

Response by SSG Edward Schenk made Jul 2 at 2016 1:55 PM

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I am here reading all the answer that were given and everyone missed the question. He asked how are you eligible to wear an OCP if you never deployed to the theater of operations. I have been retired for 11 years so not up on all the changes. I still believe that in order to wear an OCP you have to deploy to a combat zone. Otherwise it is not authorized, and must be listed on the 2a/2-1 at personal(I Know this form has changed it was the green card in the 201 file in my day).

It would be nice if someone can verify and answer the question. It has n othing to do with AR 670-1

Response by CPT Dion Francis made Jul 2 at 2016 2:46 PM

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It's just clothing. If its authorized then no big deal.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 2 at 2016 8:38 PM

2016-07-02T20:38:57-04:00

I think any soldiers can wear that uniform now. Hey don't quote ne on this.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 1:41 AM

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He probably got them online

Response by LTC Del Clark made Jul 3 at 2016 11:24 AM

2016-07-03T11:24:10-04:00

There are some pretty good responses to this...I especially like the flow chart...everyone is authorized to wear them now.

Response by SPC Nate Wayne made Jul 3 at 2016 12:15 PM

2016-07-03T12:15:11-04:00

Thank god I'm out

Response by SPC Nate Wayne made Jul 3 at 2016 12:17 PM

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Doesn't senior leadership have more important things to do than spot correct grown men behind a keyboard

Response by SGT Chris Owens made Jul 3 at 2016 4:48 PM

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no such thing as deployment OCP.....the ACU is being phased out, deploying units were the first to get the new multi cam uniform

as new soldiers join they will be given the new uniform when the ACU runs out
and prior service soldiers will get it when there clothing exchange time comes up
or........
you can go buy it yourself if your commander authorizes it

these are all possibilities....the first paragraph is fact........the rest is probably fact

Response by SGT Chris Owens made Jul 3 at 2016 5:20 PM

2016-07-03T17:20:55-04:00

this is for TSGT kerry hardy
I will explain this very simply and by the sentence
_____________________________________________________________________________
pfc:I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc
__________________________________________________________________________________
deployment OCP: does not exist, it was issued to deploying units first
SGM Erik Marquez: is it authorized for wear......yes
________________________________________________________________________________
PFC: I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so.
___________________________________________________________________________________
SGM Erik Marquez: is it authorized for wear......yes
is it won correctly....yes
__________________________________________________________________________________
PFC:Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
___________________________________________________________________________________
SGM Erik Marquez: is it authorized for wear......yes
is it won correctly....yes
find something worth you time to fix, improve, train
___________________________________________________________________________________
the last line says it all....from a high rank to a low rank.....yes it is ok to wear, quit whining about whether someone deployed or not and is authorized to wear something or isnt
go do some really useful training that you desperately need

how could you not see that the simple flow chart said this...hello

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 3 at 2016 11:27 PM

2016-07-03T23:27:49-04:00

The Operation Enduring Freedom Camouflage Pattern or OEF-CP is an authorized uniform for garrison wear. Some units that deploy a lot IE have a QRF or GRF issue soldier this uniform.

Response by SGT Joseph Miller made Jul 3 at 2016 11:35 PM

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I see half and half here on the responses some think the PFC should not question their NCO on a public forum and he's being disrespectful and some thinking people answering are being disrespectful to the PFC for asking the question in the first place. First I would like to address the PFC, son you asked a valid question and you weren't disrespectful because you didn't know the answer and wanted to know and you didn't mention your unit or the SGTs name so you didn't shotgun him disrespectfully online , but a piece of advice if you think your SGT is doing something wrong next time ask your platoon sergeant as asking online is not the answer sometimes as you can see. Now to the others our jobs as NCO is too help the lower enlisted understand the life of a soldier in the military and we should never ever berate a soldier for asking a valid question, as NCOs we should encourage a soldier to learn so he can be a better soldier and as the old saying goes "the only stupid question is the one not asked". By berating this young man we have probably made him never want to ask a question again valid or not ever again if you really believed he shouldn't have questioned his SGT you should have said young soldier ask your Platoon Sgt or 1SG not scolded him for trying to learn, you have all failed this young PFC by not doing what we all swore in the NCO Creed to do by taking care of soldiers

Response by CSM James Winslow made Jul 4 at 2016 6:24 AM

2016-07-04T06:24:24-04:00

Plenty of food answers here. My advice: we are all going to be wearing the new OCP hniform soon enough. Concentrate less on the appearance and more on the content. Get me?

Response by SFC James Jones made Jul 4 at 2016 8:06 AM

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With the way the Army changes uniforms it is almost a full time job keeping up with the changes. Wait till the next general wants to make a small fortune on a uniform change then try and figure out what the correct uniform is.

Response by SPC Suzan Ruiz made Jul 4 at 2016 8:57 AM

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I am so ashamed of the high school bull this soldiers question started. At least he had the courage to ask, instead maybe we should answer his question so he can learn instead of cutting him off at the knees. Shame on all of you for taking offense.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2016 11:46 AM

2016-07-04T11:46:02-04:00

You are worrying for what your NCO is wearing , let me tell you he is right, he could wear that uniform until the new uniform become mandatory, many soldier when through RFI with they respective unit, got used the uniform and never deployed for what ever reason, I'm bashing on you but, if you ever have a question about uniform, you should first check DA PAM 670-1

Response by CW3 Stephen Mills made Jul 4 at 2016 1:40 PM

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If its an authorized uniform then its an authorized uniform.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2016 3:31 PM

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Most likely he was scheduled to deploy and did not deployed in the end. He was most likely issued dployment uniform then.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2016 4:23 PM

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Pfc should be doing research instead of asking.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2016 4:47 PM

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I was in the 82nd for the last 4 years and I have a similar situation. I got to Fort Bragg in September of 2011 my brigade was picked for deployment for March 2012 so everyone was issued multicam with about a month left before the deployment me and several other soldiers from my battalion were told we aren't going and when you go back to cif to return all your rfi anything that touches skin ( even if you never wore it) doesn't get turned in I.e uniforms, combat shirts etc... when the new uniform came out it was put in the regulation that you could wear the ocp up until fiscal yr 2019 when they make the new uniform mandatory so I've been wearing my multicam because it was basically like having 4 brand new uniforms not saying he's in the same boat but he could be

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2016 6:27 PM

2016-07-04T18:27:51-04:00

Ok so some people are giving you good advice as far as looking it up and him being within regulation. That being said ignore the negativity and drive on. You did the right thing by asking, just try to find a different way. Like respectfully asking the NCO if it is authorized and I am more than sure if he is a good NCO he will inform you in a way that is just as respectful as the way you present the question to him/her. Good luck in your future with the army and know that all NCOs aren't assholes 24/7. We put our pants on the same way as you

Response by SSG Brian Mayden made Jul 4 at 2016 8:11 PM

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Umm, did you ask that person?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2016 10:55 PM

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My take young is that first, you just worry about yourself. Afterall, you should respect your superiors, regardless of whether you like them or not. What are you going to do, charge him with Stolen Valor. You need to care of yourself.

Response by SGT Victoria Belbusti made Jul 4 at 2016 11:37 PM

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They were only issued for deployment. He may have drawn them then not deployed or gotten them second hand. My buddy gave me some
FRACUs that weren't on her clothing record.
It's still authorized for wear wether he deployed or not.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 4 at 2016 11:41 PM

2016-07-04T23:41:06-04:00

It could be that he bought them from somebody who deployed, but no longer wanted them. And they were not deployment OCP, they are MULTICAM. Google private, Google.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 10:51 AM

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I was supposed to deploy with my unit got all the gear uniforms etc and then 48 hours prior they cut the numbers and now I'm not goin and I have the uniforms

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 12:27 PM

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He just asked people to clarify what the Sergeant was doing. With all do respect, there's no need to be unprofessional by saying PFC Morter's opinion "doesn't mean shit". In fact, he didn't even input his opinion he just asked to clarify whether or not the NCO could wear the deployment OCP'S. I can understand if he called out his NCO directly by name to correct him but PFC Morter did not. The whole reason RallyPoint is here is for Soldiers, Seamen, Marines and Airman can discuss various topics in a professional manner.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 4:08 PM

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Technically, it's not expressly forbidden... So, in some minds, it's implicitly allowed. My personal opinion - it's not right.

Response by SSG Ed Silverthorn made Jul 5 at 2016 4:25 PM

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Isn't OCP the new uniform everybody wears? Multicam were used for some deployments but are also authorized as well.

Response by SPC Shea Parmenter made Jul 5 at 2016 4:25 PM

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Check AR670-1. Best to find the answer for yourself directly from the source. Asking other individuals what is right or wrong may vary due to different duty stations and commanders discretion, thus you may get an answer that is wrong, but not perceived as such. One standard. The army standard.

Response by MSG Michael McEleney made Jul 5 at 2016 7:43 PM

2016-07-05T19:43:05-04:00

Could have been passed on or purchased.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 8:19 PM

2016-07-05T20:19:34-04:00

DA PAM 670-1 does not stipulated that a deployment is required to wear the OCPs. As long as he is in compliance, there is no issue.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 8:32 PM

2016-07-05T20:32:23-04:00

Like an old 1SG once told me, "don't wait for the movie, read the book". AR 670-1 should help you out. Good job trying to get clarification before you attempt to approach him. Good luck.

Response by MSG Gregory Brown made Jul 5 at 2016 10:04 PM

2016-07-05T22:04:20-04:00

This link should help. https://www.army.mil/e2/c/downloads/396739.pdf

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Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2016 11:22 PM

2016-07-05T23:22:41-04:00

Pfc- I a world of messed up things, why would you choose this to be curious about? There is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing "deployment" ocp, also it is correctly called multicam. And as a point of fact there are several soldiers in my unit that have been issued multicam, and deployed but DID NOT receive a combat patch. Why? It was not a combat deployment.

Also a lack of medals and awards on duty uniforms doesn't mean didly. Just because you are entitled to wear certain awards does not mean you have to....

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2016 6:35 AM

2016-07-06T06:35:17-04:00

He can wear it because the Army allowed all soldiers. You can too, if you happened to find yourself one. :)

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2016 8:00 AM

2016-07-06T08:00:03-04:00

His unit may have deployed and he was supposed t go with them but for some reason he didn't

Response by SPC Eric Harrell made Jul 6 at 2016 3:47 PM

2016-07-06T15:47:21-04:00

It is a uniform not a combat patch so yes he can wear them he got issued them.

Response by CSM Michael Salfai made Jul 6 at 2016 8:28 PM

2016-07-06T20:28:07-04:00

Yes. http://kitup.military.com/2015/05/soldiers-cleared-wear-ocp-multicam.html

Soldiers Cleared to Wear OCP and MultiCam in July

Beginning July 1, the Army’s new Operational Camouflage Patterned uniforms will go on sale at Military Clothing Sales Stores, marking a new chapter in the service’s camouflage saga. Soldiers can we…

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 6 at 2016 11:22 PM

2016-07-06T23:22:15-04:00

No. That is neither appropriate, authorized or "ok." Before attempting to "correct" him you need to make sure to straight up memorize AR 670-1. Once you've done that you may feel free to confront this individual by the regs. That being said it's important to keep in mind that he is, per AR 670-1 not actually required to wear all awards, patches and deployment swag he's entitled to at all times.
You also need to keep in mind that if his peers aren't already sorting him out you're probably going to get your ass pinned to the nearest wall for messing with him. But that being said it sounds as if you'll at least be in the right on the matter...

Response by SGT Dennis H. made Jul 7 at 2016 12:29 PM

2016-07-07T12:29:56-04:00

Who the hell cares?!?!?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2016 1:26 PM

2016-07-07T13:26:53-04:00

It is totally ok. During the transition all three uniforms are allow. Just because he hasn't deployed doesn't mean he can't wear them. More than likely bought them or got them from a fellow soldier. Take advise from your NCOs we as an Army have bigger problems than this. Hope this helps.

Response by LCpl Josh Berends made Jul 7 at 2016 9:12 PM

2016-07-07T21:12:07-04:00

Based on this shit show, im glad Marines dont have this problem

Response by SGT Robert Vollentine made Jul 7 at 2016 9:51 PM

2016-07-07T21:51:20-04:00

I'm rather disappointed in how some of the senior ranking service members are responding to this young Soldier's question. He asked a question based of his understanding and even though his understanding was incorrect, a lot of you decided to bombard him with insults. I'm guess we are all fortunate that you all knew all the answers to everything when you were PFCs. He was merely asking for clarification and the professional thing to do was to give it to him.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 7 at 2016 11:01 PM

2016-07-07T23:01:01-04:00

Why r u worried it sounds like to me you are one of those guys who are mad bc yourself never deployed. There is more to be worried about than this petty little issue. Why don't u worry about something that really matters like learning how to fight instead how this little issue. Get in the fight go to combat and tell me if this little issue is still on your mind

Response by SSG Rickey Green made Jul 8 at 2016 7:29 AM

2016-07-08T07:29:53-04:00

Response by CPL Jerry Blaylock made Jul 8 at 2016 8:04 AM

2016-07-08T08:04:45-04:00

No he can not. Only the deployed can wear it. no matter if the unit has. He can wear anything that the unit as a whole can though. Like a Presidential Unit Ribbon. But , that is he dress uniform. If he changed units and that unit does not have that ribbon then He would have to take it off.
Semper Fi !
Retired Jerry D Blaylock

Response by CSM James Winslow made Jul 14 at 2016 12:52 PM

2016-07-14T12:52:11-04:00

Short answer: Yes. Already been approved waaay above your pay grade. Move out.

Response by SFC Rapfeal Mayfield made Apr 16 at 2017 1:14 AM

2017-04-16T01:14:48-04:00

Wow, I can't believe some of the response s from NCOs on this post. The young PFC just asked a question and by the response of some of you, I see why jr enlisted Soldiers something don't got to their NCO for answers. They rather go around not knowing or ask their peers who know just as much as them...or less, ijs...

Response by SGT Michael Heffner made Apr 20 at 2017 1:40 PM

2017-04-20T13:40:25-04:00

Since I'm retired but still keep up to date, while those who deployed were issued them first, but have been clothing sales & if the soldier chooses to buy them out of pocket & his command doesn't have an issue with wearing them, Then there isn't an issue...

Response by SMSgt Patrick LaChance made Jul 27 at 2017 6:07 AM

2017-07-27T06:07:22-04:00

It sounds like he has an older version of Multicam/OCP's, but the newer Scorpion version is available now that most people are wearing. It really doesn't matter which version of OCP they are wearing at this point because they are both authorized. Maybe he picked them up second hand.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 27 at 2017 4:02 AM

2017-08-27T04:02:26-04:00

Yeah I'm in the 173rd in Italy we were issued them

Response by SPC Timothy Neal made Apr 10 at 2018 11:41 AM

2018-04-10T11:41:10-04:00

I deployed to Kuwait back in 2014. I volunteered for that deployment and I knew there was a chance of going to Iraq. I didn't go to Iraq even though there were a few people from my unit that did. With that being said I did receive a deployment patch. When I got back home my unit stated that I didn't deserve that patch because I wasn't in a "combat zone". Just because someone didn't do what you or someone else has done, does not mean they dont deserve the recognition of what they have done.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Apr 10 at 2018 12:42 PM

2018-04-10T12:42:56-04:00

Forget about it.

Response by SGT Malcolm Utecht made Apr 10 at 2018 10:28 PM

2018-04-10T22:28:19-04:00

If your NCO is giving you a lawful order just do what your told. You are an E4 Specialist, you shouldn't be wrryomg about if he deployed or not. We've all had to take orders and do things in garrison that we don't like it's called the Army just deal with it. Change your water and drink your socks.

Response by PVT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 10 at 2018 11:23 PM

2018-04-10T23:23:34-04:00

why would u ever think that

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 31 at 2018 11:40 AM

2018-05-31T11:40:40-04:00

From all the leadership I had most would say “Judge them on their performance and potential.” The uniform meets the reg.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 7 at 2018 4:40 PM

2018-08-07T16:40:38-04:00

Slick right sleeve and no combat patches is not an indication of deployments. There are several AOs that get neither. And several guys that choose not to wear their ERB on their tops. Don’t judge a book by its cover.
Read the regs find you own answers at the source. 670-1 has that answer

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 18 at 2018 8:55 PM

2018-09-18T20:55:39-04:00

From what i was told after my deployment, the deployment uniform was NOT authorized once you had cleared medical after deployment but that was 2011 and things change. The ACU which i know you asked about OCP had AR tags that were uncovered at all times so i would guess that was why.
I am now NG, i was active and i see it a lot in NG - i also know that uniforms are hard to come by in the NG - depending on if you have a awesome Supply SGT - so i turn a blind eye because i understand that in NG you have what you have and make do.
So i guess - my answer is no in garrison - i haven't seen the OCPs and i haven't read the REG which would prolly be the smarter way to approach that Soldier, but if a unit is allowing it - why not save good uniforms.
I would use my old deployment uniforms on the range or if i knew i was doing something that had the chance of ruining a good uniform and will continue to do so until the ACUs phase out.

Response by SPC Christopher Anderson made Aug 9 at 2019 6:20 PM

2019-08-09T18:20:52-04:00

OK here is the thing everyone in this thread missed and failed to train you on SPC, when before you posted this did you consult AR 670-1? I'm almost positive that would have answered any question you may have had....

Response by SPC Greg Campbell made Aug 10 at 2019 5:11 PM

2019-08-10T17:11:20-04:00

what if he would of called him a buck. we used it a a term of endearment. e5 was a buck, e6 was a staff, e7 was first. sure wouldnt of used it with NCOs out of my unit. I liked to tell newly minted e5s that I outranked them before their promotion formation. someyimes a far back as that morning when Top sent us on some detail

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2019 6:29 AM

2019-08-11T06:29:28-04:00

They don’t care at my unit, as long as they are worn properly

Response by SP5 Steven Bryant made Aug 11 at 2019 5:41 PM

2019-08-11T17:41:12-04:00

Why didn't you just ask your SGT. That's one thing your SGT should be able to do. Clarify regs and policies. I had no problem with my joes asking me. As aviation and multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan Ive gone through BDU, DCU, UCP, OEF, OCP, and all the flight variations to go with each change. Not to mention dress uniforms. Also as aviation our badges are sewn on because pin on is FOD.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2019 10:47 AM

2019-08-12T10:47:34-04:00

We got them when we went to Kuwait

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2019 3:25 PM

2019-08-12T15:25:57-04:00

Honestly who cares. If it isn’t against a regulation or policy, who cares? Is it hurting you?

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2019 8:10 PM

2019-08-12T20:10:33-04:00

Why does it matter? Find something better to do with your time.

Response by SGT Sean Moore made Oct 20 at 2019 11:41 PM

2019-10-20T23:41:43-04:00

I think the op asked a legitimate question. Here’s my 2 cents worth broken down Barney style... As someone stated in another comment, it is not required to wear badges or FWTS patches on the ACU. However, if a Soldier, regardless of rank chooses to wear such items... the rule of thumb is simple... ONLY WEAR $#!+ THAT YOU RIGHTFULLY AND LEGITIMATELY EARNED. Don’t be one of those @$$holes that fakes the funk.

Response by SFC Guy Mikesell made Oct 29 at 2019 9:45 PM

2019-10-29T21:45:52-04:00

You will find that most of the Army deployment uniforms are not just simply “uniforms”

They are normally fire retardant and sprayed with permethrin (an insect repellent)

They are usually referred to as FRACU. If they are fire retardant then you will most likely find your answer in your Division Blue Book.

More than one garrison Blue Book restricts the wear of FRACU to non-garrison activities such as deployments and field training exercises.

Generally, there’s no prohibition as to who may wear the deployment OCP just restrictions as to the place/time/activity.

Don’t take my word for it; read your Blue Book! Most Divisions nowadays publish their most current Blue Book on their Intranet/NIPPER Servers.

Response by SGM Tim Kinsella made Nov 14 at 2019 2:11 PM

2019-11-14T14:11:59-05:00

I guess I have been retired too long (21 years) what the hell are OCP’s

Response by MSgt Steven Harris made Nov 17 at 2019 7:31 PM

2019-11-17T19:31:56-05:00

When ever in doubt on personal appearance issues always refer to your branch of service regulations for clarity. The requirements change so quickly from period to period based on operations and leadership of the branches. Authorization comes from the top levels and are enforced from that point on opinion is not relevant in personnel mandatory requirements. First Sergeants of any branch usually are informed before everyone else so they can pass the changes down to all levels. There usually is a transition period as well for implementing the changes too. As a NCO or officer in charge, it is a good habit to review those regulations periodically to ensure you are in compliance and can set the example for your subordinates and peers! You can't teach what you don't know! SMG stated it correctly in saying if a soldier wears a uniform type ensure it is in authorized and worn correctly is what is important! Personal appearance& dress codes are the public's window to the professionalism of our military members as they walk around in our communities and other nations! Ensure it is done proudly and respectfully! Good question for all to review on their own compliance! Thanks for asking.

Response by SPC Steven Nihipali made Dec 16 at 2019 1:15 AM

2019-12-16T01:15:37-05:00

What's your current units dress? This is why changing thre fucking uniform is stupid as fuck. Now the entire unit looks fucked up. I had guys with me who never gout their ACU's, so they wore their old DC's, wore bdu flack vest and green camo kevlar cover. All fucked up... but whatever, the Army didn't him his shit unti 1 week to leaving. Uniforms are uniforms man, if he's dresses, leave him alone

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2019 4:14 AM

2019-12-17T04:14:39-05:00

OCP wear is outlined in DA-Pam 670-1. At a glance, I can only see that it's command driven. Hope this helps

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 4 at 2020 2:26 PM

2020-01-04T14:26:07-05:00

Those call Multicam. I was issued one back in 2012 before we got deployed to Afghanistan. RFI issue. Also if your unit going on mission you will be issued one as well

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2020 9:13 AM

2020-02-24T09:13:39-05:00

Some units won’t authorize the fracks to be worn in garrison. Even so, you don’t have to have been deployed to wear them. Same with deployment patches, skill badges, etc. you aren’t required to wear them. AR 670-1 is your friend in this case.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Mar 5 at 2020 5:08 PM

2020-03-05T17:08:20-05:00

Soundx like he pulled an ARMY/NAVY surplus store snopping trip.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 19 at 2020 11:01 PM

2020-03-19T23:01:45-04:00

SPC, the behavior of many NCO’s on this post does not represent all of us NCO’s. Take this has a learning experience on what not to be like In the future when you earn your stripes. Don’t be discourage and be the example you wish you had. The answer to your question is neither yes or no. It really depends, if the fracu’s have Velcro in the shoulder then they’re not authorized. If they have zipper then yes they are authorized. You do not have to be deployed to wear them, in fact some times soldiers get them because they only have a set of ocp’s and we all know fracu’s are way more comfortable to wear anyway.

Response by 1SG Jason Almond made Mar 20 at 2020 2:13 AM

2020-03-20T02:13:36-04:00

Lots of statutory info / answers here.

I’d appeal to this—if his previous unit of assignment was wearing that uniform, why would he not be issued / wearing it—-?whether he deployed or not?

Response by SFC Robert Walton made Mar 21 at 2020 9:35 AM

2020-03-21T09:35:09-04:00

Okay this was posted in 2016 it is now 2020 Now I am going to post how I feel about this whole thing bash me if you wish. It is unimportant at this time and I will likely not come back and read it anyway. I have considered leaving Rally Point for the same actions I see here. SGM Erik Marquez posted a very fine answer for a E-4 that was short, sweet, informing,. It also left the SM with the opportunity for self education not S^&* lawyer stuff. Now my big complaint is Unless you can show as many years of leadership as a SGM Has you may want to check your self, and quit whining for the sack or argument. Your civilian leadership courses cannot compare to Military leadership schools. Quit assuming that just because you disagree with some one else that you are right, also quit assuming all together. The Military has never ask NCO's at any level to hand carry SM's to the publications Library and make them read, So People like TSGT. Who chooses to coddle said SM in his leadership style makes a SNCO Wrong in his opinion. Pore way of thinking in my book while your coddling said SM you and half you unit will be compromised or Killed. People want to ask these question in here and get answers not watch the penis envy arguments after posts the internal fighting is stupid at best. I find looking as a individuals profile very helpful and one of the Major AF responders here's profile has no claim to Military Leadership. Pretty well sums it up for me, maybe when you get a little time and go get a education in Military leadership, Quit Assuming, and Learn and read a Post, and others above and below that post, just maybe then you can have the ability assess the situation in an adult Manner until then your just stirring S^&* to smell it stink. JMTC

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2020 11:50 AM

2020-03-22T11:50:50-04:00

enrich yourself by knowledge through research n regulations.
It will guide you to do the right thing and lead you to be a better leader.

Response by PV2 Bob Lube made Mar 23 at 2020 9:20 AM

2020-03-23T09:20:05-04:00

Let me say this to the guy who wants to wear a "SPECIAL" patch! I was a patient at Walter Reed and there are so many of our brothers there that lost so many of their body parts they told me their family thinks they are dead! Really! !! They don't need a patch! To me, they are all Hero's!
So if this guy wants to PRETEND he went somewhere ii.e (vacation to Mexico) let him, WE know what kind of a guy he is because (REAL Soldiers) don't need to show off where they have been! Thank you for all those that Don't need a Patch! And Thank you and Have a Safe & Nice Day! Even from Illinois! Bob

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2020 9:43 AM

2020-03-23T09:43:56-04:00

It is not acceptable to wear and patch or ribbon you have not earned.

Response by SGT Charles Cameron made Mar 24 at 2020 1:52 PM

2020-03-24T13:52:46-04:00

As an "older vet", I would say..." If you haven't been there, don't even LIE about it. I've found that if you come across someone who has... you might just get you ass whooped ... big time. Be proud of your time and duty, but PLEASE don't blatantly insult those who have really "paid the price" and have true "bragging rights".Do'tinsult yourself and the uniform. Ego has its place...but not here.

Response by SPC Charles Lavender made Mar 25 at 2020 10:08 AM

2020-03-25T10:08:09-04:00

once these jackets get into the supply chain, they are going to be available anywhere. My primary focus would be on the fact that he did not attempt to capitalize on the rarity of the jacket by "patching" it. the same thing happened with the nylon flight jackets after Vietnam.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 26 at 2020 8:09 AM

2020-03-26T08:09:39-04:00

What is everyone else wearing in formation? Usually if it is an authorized uniform in 670-1, you can wear it, properly. Typically, some 1SGs like to have their units in one uniform - up to him and the Commander.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made May 16 at 2020 11:10 PM

2020-05-16T23:10:46-04:00

Those are new Summer OCPs.. anyone can buy them and wear them..

Response by PO1 John Wypyszinski made Jun 14 at 2020 3:44 PM

2020-06-14T15:44:11-04:00

Shame on him for making it to SPC/E4 and not knowing to look in AR 670-1. Most units still have a bulletin board with hard copies of important information on them, and I recall seeing charts of wear out got to have dates posted. And shame on the leaders who fail to teach their troops where to find the info they need; my mentors taught me everything they could and expected me to pass it on as I progressed.

Response by GySgt William Hardy made Sep 6 at 2020 8:50 AM

2020-09-06T08:50:42-04:00

If you do a quick check on the internet, you will see that OCP had $1.4 million in sales, not issue, since July when they went on sale. It seems to me that it means if you didn't spend your money at the local bars, you could buy them for yourself.
I have been retired for many years now and did not know what OCP was so I looked it up before making a statement. I typed in what is OCP in the Army and there was my answer.

Response by CPO Jack De Merit made Nov 18 at 2020 7:47 PM

2020-11-18T19:47:43-05:00

That is an extremely STUPID question. Why don't you wear a Purple Heart and a Medal of Honor just because you like the way they look and draw attention to you. IF YOU DID NOT EARN IT, YOU DON'T WEAR IT.

Response by MAJ Monte Montes made Dec 24 at 2020 11:44 AM

2020-12-24T11:44:24-05:00

I have a question about the question. When did it become a "deployment patch". Been retired now about ten years. We called them combat patches.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 25 at 2020 1:47 PM

2020-12-25T13:47:44-05:00

Was this person in a garrison environment or in the field or coming back from any FTX? If it’s garrison and walking around post ect then eh it can be sort of not in question of really the regulation per say, but just not taking pride in his uniform and sloppy neatness of dress. Nobody is required to wear a deployment patch or tabs or badges but a clean serviceable uniform is a different story. However being infantry when we know we’re going to be doing some field training, rucking for PT, tactical training, competitions, or going to be getting in some dirt or sweating hard, I tend to wear more of a “field” uniform not a technical term but it could be a bit faded, older Multicam uniform that could be stained or a combat top. Then after I’ll change into a clean presentable uniform.

Have pride in yourself and uniform.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 27 at 2020 8:59 PM

2020-12-27T20:59:18-05:00

Multicam was supposed to be phased out in 2018/2019, but we have people in my reserve unit with them still because the rollout of OCPs has been...well...not uniform...Other units got them too, particularly if they had people who needed fire retardant uniforms (think fuelers, drivers, etc.). Also, nothing illegal about buying them used on ebay because your supply people failed you.

They are also issuing a new jungle uniform, also available for purchase through AAFES. He could have had those, as they have the old style of pockets (but using buttons instead of velcro).

I also have made the mistake of underestimating soldiers and NCOs who did not show off their bling. We had an NCO with no deployment patches or anything, but was a whiz with everything both medical and comms (was a medic for an armored unit active duty). Also was in Mali and Israel, amongst other assignments. Probably the most valuable E5 we had, and definitely deserved more praise than he got, but he did not want to limelight all the bling brings. Nothing wrong with that.

Response by SGT Frank Pritchett made Dec 28 at 2020 2:32 PM

2020-12-28T14:32:13-05:00

If it is not listed on your ERB it is not authorized, that is why it is wise to look at your ERB every month. Even pending Article 15 will be listed, which is how I caught a bogus Article 15 on my ERB put on there by my !st SG in hopes he could find something prior to my retirement. It was pulled so I could retire under a medical discharge. Never leave anything to chance.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2021 10:29 AM

2021-01-13T10:29:28-05:00

I have a friend, who knows the perfect answer to your question. His name is AR 670-1. Get to know him well and stop worrying about retired O-6's and their beards. If you're still serving, you have bigger things to worry about. Another option is to go up to the guy who spent more time in the US Military than you have probably been on this planet, and legit ask him if what he is doing is authorized. Be respectful obviously, but just ask him and let him know that you were curious if it was ok for him to wear it like that? But these are all questions that you should either be researching yourself in the regs, or asking your NCO's, Not Rallypoint.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 21 at 2021 3:01 PM

2021-02-21T15:01:43-05:00

Yes he can wear it.

Response by SSG Elmer Price made Feb 21 at 2021 4:07 PM

2021-02-21T16:07:45-05:00

I was i Amsterdam in i don't remember, Loading ships going to sudia Rabia It was a Russian ship. My unit was picking soldiers to go. I told my CSM i would like to go. He laughed and said SGT Price you have to many children the army does not want to take care of all them. I told him I wanted to get the war patch, He told me you have to go over to get it.
Thats all I know Price

Response by SPC(P) Brandon Jenkins made Feb 22 at 2021 11:35 AM

2021-02-22T11:35:32-05:00

When I came back from my final deployment (AFG, 2015), we had not yet fully phased in scorpion camo (ocp) but multi-cams were at that time a satisfactory alternative. I do not know if this is still the case.

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Feb 23 at 2021 5:13 PM

2021-02-23T17:13:11-05:00

And this E5 is a computer specialist? He's wearing deployment OCPs and never been deployed then he in violation of regulations. Remind him t hat he is doing so, even if he outrank you. Worse case, go to your OIC and report him if he doesn't get in regulation OCPs.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 24 at 2021 9:33 PM

2021-02-24T21:33:53-05:00

I was issued several sets when I was deployed to Kuwait a few years ago. I have since retired, and my son (a newly minted 2LT) only had 2 sets of OCPs. I (gasp!!!) gave him my deployment OCPs because he and I are of similar build. I was glad to pass them off to him instead of them being sold in the local Goodwill. I expect that he'll likely deploy somewhere hot and sandy before too long anyway.

Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Feb 28 at 2021 9:07 PM

2021-02-28T21:07:24-05:00

Ask your Squad Leader or Plt Sgt.

Response by 1SG James Kelly made Feb 28 at 2021 9:10 PM

2021-02-28T21:10:28-05:00

Got out in 88; what the hell is an OCP?

Response by SGT Shane Serna made Mar 3 at 2021 7:17 AM

2021-03-03T07:17:26-05:00

Hmm been a while but I’m sure it’s unit related as far as the patch. Heck my berm surge was with one unit but we were attached to a bigger unit so wore their patches. So back to real reply, if his unit was deployed and he remained on mainland or wherever he would still get the patch.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2021 2:56 AM

2021-06-01T02:56:55-04:00

Yes FRACUs can be worn in garrison and you don’t have to deploy to get them issued they literally handed RFI out to everyone going on rotation to Europe. I can see where the confusion set in because I’ve seen other NCOs in the past get on soldiers for wearing them in garrison. There is also a whole ALARACT on this as well

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2021 12:05 AM

2021-06-04T00:05:51-04:00

Remember, if a Soldier has deployed it is their option to wear the SSI-FWS (if earned by regulation) on the right shoulder. They don't have to wear it.
AR 670-1 -
Chapter 22
Wear of Decorations, Service Medals, Badges, Unit Awards, and Appurtenances
22–1. General
This chapter covers decorations, service medals, badges, unit awards, and appurtenances, both U.S. and foreign, authorized for wear on Army uniforms. The term “award” is an all-inclusive term, covering any decoration, service medal, badge, ribbon, or appurtenance bestowed on an individual or unit. The term “ribbon” is an all-inclusive term covering that portion of the suspension ribbon of a service medal or decoration that is worn instead of the service medal or decoration.
22–2. Authorization
a. Commanders may require the wear of authorized awards on the following occasions:
(1) Parades, reviews, inspections, and funerals.
(2) Ceremonial and social occasions.
b. Unless directed by a commander IAW paragraph 22–2(a), authorized awards are worn at the option of the wearer, when not prohibited, during normal duty hours. Personnel also may wear authorized awards on appropriate uniforms when off duty. Personnel are encouraged to wear authorized awards on the service, dress, and mess uniforms.
c. Soldiers may wear authorized awards on the Class B version of the service uniform during duty hours and when off duty, at their option.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 6 at 2021 10:33 AM

2021-08-06T10:33:00-04:00

I know you can't wear FRACU outside of deployment unless it's a training environment were you when you have the possibility to ruin your uniform.

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 22 at 2022 6:43 PM

2022-09-22T18:43:28-04:00

Of course. I gave my deployment OCPs to a fuzzy because he thought they looked cool lol no issues.