CSM Mike Maynard 58627 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>See article below.<div><br></div><div>As individual as Soldiers feet, ankles, knees, stride, gait, etc - do we really want to mandate which shoes a Soldier can wear?</div><div><br></div><div>Is this uniformity for uniformity sake or is there a benefit?</div><div><br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140216/NEWS07/302160005/The-push-official-Army-sneakers">http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140216/NEWS07/302160005/The-push-official-Army-sneakers</a><br><br /></div><div><br></div><div class="pta-link-card"><br /><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.armytimes.com/graphics/ody/alticon.png"></div><br /><div class="pta-link-card-content"><br /><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140216/NEWS07/302160005/The-push-official-Army-sneakers">The push for official Army sneakers</a></div><br /><div class="pta-link-card-description"><br />The Defense Department has issued a formal notice asking American manufacturers who want to make an athletic shoe for service members to come forward and be counted.<br /></div><br /></div><br /><div style="clear:both;"></div><br /><div class="pta-box-hide"></div><br /></div> Is it Time for Official Army Sneakers? 2014-02-16T21:46:11-05:00 CSM Mike Maynard 58627 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>See article below.<div><br></div><div>As individual as Soldiers feet, ankles, knees, stride, gait, etc - do we really want to mandate which shoes a Soldier can wear?</div><div><br></div><div>Is this uniformity for uniformity sake or is there a benefit?</div><div><br></div><div><a target="_blank" href="http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140216/NEWS07/302160005/The-push-official-Army-sneakers">http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140216/NEWS07/302160005/The-push-official-Army-sneakers</a><br><br /></div><div><br></div><div class="pta-link-card"><br /><div class="pta-link-card-picture"><img src="http://www.armytimes.com/graphics/ody/alticon.png"></div><br /><div class="pta-link-card-content"><br /><div class="pta-link-card-title"><a target="_blank" href="http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140216/NEWS07/302160005/The-push-official-Army-sneakers">The push for official Army sneakers</a></div><br /><div class="pta-link-card-description"><br />The Defense Department has issued a formal notice asking American manufacturers who want to make an athletic shoe for service members to come forward and be counted.<br /></div><br /></div><br /><div style="clear:both;"></div><br /><div class="pta-box-hide"></div><br /></div> Is it Time for Official Army Sneakers? 2014-02-16T21:46:11-05:00 2014-02-16T21:46:11-05:00 SSG Andrew Dydasco 58633 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As long as they have the necessary accommodations for those differences in feet, CSM, I don't see why not.  But they're going to have to have a lot of variants, and I can already see them running out of something and forcing a Soldier to be issued something else. Response by SSG Andrew Dydasco made Feb 16 at 2014 9:54 PM 2014-02-16T21:54:48-05:00 2014-02-16T21:54:48-05:00 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member 58645 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Only if they&#39;re Chuck Taylor All Stars, the original minimal shoe! Response by 1SG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 10:11 PM 2014-02-16T22:11:57-05:00 2014-02-16T22:11:57-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 58659 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was at reception at Ft. Jackson, we stood on a light box, were professionally measured, and then we were issued a pair of sneakers.  There were at least 4 brands, but you did not get to choose.  I have since gone to specialty running stores for professional fittings, but I have never found a better pair of sneakers than the ASICS I was issued at BCT.<div><br></div><div>If they implemented the program the same way, I would be all for it.  I didn't know much about running shoes when I came in and walking Soldiers through it for the first time insures that Soldiers have at least one quality pair of shoes and are trained on how to select the right shoes.  </div> Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 10:25 PM 2014-02-16T22:25:45-05:00 2014-02-16T22:25:45-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 58683 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>CSM Maynard,<div><br></div><div>I recently saw this article posted about this and I was kind of baffled. In an age where the military in general is trying to reduce costs in the long haul, it seems to me that it is a step backward when trying to create a standardized shoe. Doing this will only increase knee, ankle and other joint issues as all of our bodies are designed differently. Another poster made mention of how we already have designated boots. This bares no comparison to the stress induced on the joints when running as the majority of the time boots are not worn for physical fitness training and they normally are not worn for prolonged running. I think I have to lean toward the argument that this is just for uniformity purposes and has no other benefit. I would also imagine like most other things, once the Army developed these so called standard running shoes, than they would also create a standardized price that didn't benefit anyone, but the person selling them. This sounds like another persons idea to leave their mark on the military right as they are retiring.</div><div><br></div><div>SFC Rosenlund</div> Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 11:32 PM 2014-02-16T23:32:01-05:00 2014-02-16T23:32:01-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 58691 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have run in Nike, Brooks, Asics, New Balance, Reebok, and Mizunos.  I've tried on every major brand of running shoes and have settled on Mizunos and Mizunos only.  As much as I like New Balance (I'm wearing New Balance right now, and the only walking/cross training shoes I buy are New Balance), I won't run in their shoes other than for cross training events.<div><br></div><div>This is uniformity for uniformity's sake along with the profit motive; more than it is for the benefit of the military or the Soldier.  From the article:</div><div><br></div><div>“We’re pretty determined that if the military isn’t buying American made shoes today, they will soon,” he said.</div> Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 11:53 PM 2014-02-16T23:53:45-05:00 2014-02-16T23:53:45-05:00 SFC Michael Hasbun 58697 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unless the Army is willing to shell out to buy every Soldier Saucony's and Pearl Izumi's every few months, no. There is no one size fits all when it comes to footwear. This would send profiles through the roof. Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Feb 17 at 2014 12:08 AM 2014-02-17T00:08:10-05:00 2014-02-17T00:08:10-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 58861 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think its another horrible idea from the same people that brought us ACU&#39;s.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Too many variations in the human body and even running styles. Running shoes have been evolving as long as I have been running. I have went from my Chuck Taylors, to Nike and now 30 years later I&#39;m a running minimalist.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Besides civilians &amp;amp; the free market is way ahead of the military in fitness. I learned from the FM on PT, then I started reading and working with civilian trainers to reach a more elite level of fitness.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;If they adopt something, I&#39;m pretty sure they will screw it up.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 8:51 AM 2014-02-17T08:51:11-05:00 2014-02-17T08:51:11-05:00 SGM Private RallyPoint Member 58885 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't agree with it but here is a way that they can work it.  When new recruits come into basic, have them do a running shoe clinic.  They would have to run on a treadmill and they would need to have professional's there to analyze their gait, foot strike, etc.  They would also have to analyze their arch.  Then they could get a better idea of what kind of runner they were and offer various running shoes for each different type of runner.  This option would be time consuming and costly so I doubt it would come to fruition.   <div><br></div><div>I hope, when they are finding manufacturers for the "official" sneaker, they take into account that not all runners are created the same.  I really hope they don't shove a sneaker down my throat that is for an under-pronator when I'm an over-pronator.   It will lead to more personnel hurt, which means more personnel on profile, which finally means less personnel ready to deploy to conduct their wartime mission.</div> Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 10:04 AM 2014-02-17T10:04:14-05:00 2014-02-17T10:04:14-05:00 CPT Aaron Kletzing 58898 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Assuming the Army will go ahead and push the funding/process through -- and that someone will ultimately produce the shoes -- I really hope the Army doesn&#39;t make it mandatory for people to wear them. &amp;nbsp;Many people who take running seriously are picky (as they should be) about their footwear -- Nike, New Balance, etc. &amp;nbsp;If one of these companies in fact makes a better running shoe, then service members should be allowed to choose those instead. Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Feb 17 at 2014 10:22 AM 2014-02-17T10:22:14-05:00 2014-02-17T10:22:14-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 58911 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think this is a backdoor method to keep those pesky minimalist shoes off Soldiers' feet. Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 11:07 AM 2014-02-17T11:07:38-05:00 2014-02-17T11:07:38-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 58921 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>I dont think the Army or any branch should go to one PT shoe. Everyone runs in a different way, and all feet are different, you cant make one shoe that will fit every Soldier in the Army. When I joined we did the wet test at Reception, once we did that it showed me what type of shoe I should buy and wear. Over the years my running style has changed and I have gone to a shoe with more sole and that is lighter. I think the Army should let us pick our shoes! </p><p>I really think this push in for uniformity seeing how many Soldiers go and buy these bright shoes that take away from the uniform. </p> Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 11:23 AM 2014-02-17T11:23:23-05:00 2014-02-17T11:23:23-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 58935 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>&lt;p&gt;I don&#39;t think the Army should be bothering with running shoes at a time when they can&#39;t even get a regulation for wearing the uniform published. There are far more pressing issues to deal with like troop draw downs and budget constraints. I feel that this is another distraction. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;We need soldiers to get back to being soldiers, I get it. But you have to give the soldier the tools to succeed. If we are going to a more &quot;garrison&quot; focused time, then PRT will be a major if not the biggest focus of leaders. The PT uniform does not really help or hinder a soldiers performance, but their shoes will.&lt;/p&gt; Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 11:48 AM 2014-02-17T11:48:36-05:00 2014-02-17T11:48:36-05:00 SSG Carlos AcostaCastro 58943 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Every soldier's physic is different and most of the times you have to go with what is best for your feet, ankles, and knees I just think is a bad idea at all but, again that's above my pay grade to make that decision. I rather buy my own shoes than get them issue from the Army they don't fit for your running shoes no more. Response by SSG Carlos AcostaCastro made Feb 17 at 2014 11:56 AM 2014-02-17T11:56:33-05:00 2014-02-17T11:56:33-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 58954 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>sounds to me like a committee more concerned with uniformity than actual foot/ankle/knee health. Personally, I don't have much use for flourescent yellow or pink or orange running shoes but civilians don't produce styles with the military in mind. I generally try to find running shoes that are grey, or black or "generally" match with the IPU stuff I am forced to wear already. How about we "mandate" that first before a Army of "One shoe fits all?" Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 12:11 PM 2014-02-17T12:11:38-05:00 2014-02-17T12:11:38-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 58971 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The purpose behind this seems to be based on legal requirements (Berry amdt) that states anything the Military purchases should be manufactured in the United States.  The ONLY time this applies to running shoes is inn Basic Training when Trainees are given a voucher to buy their first pair. <br><br>This does not appear to be about "uniformity" in shoes and should not affect Soldiers already in the Army. (It also doesn't appear the Army wants to implement this, but instead is being pressured by shoe lobbyists and Congress.)<br><br>I certainly would not want to see this morph into a dictated shoe for all Soldiers. Hopefully, the current voucher program will stay in effect, as it appears to offer Trainees better options at a lower cost to the Government.<br> Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 12:51 PM 2014-02-17T12:51:17-05:00 2014-02-17T12:51:17-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 59036 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I fully believe that is uniformity for uniformity&#39;s sake. What other reason could there really be? I also believe that it is a terrible idea. There are so many different foot types and not every style of running shoe is suited for everyone. Being allowed to buy whatever shoe you want ensures that soldiers are given a full opportunity to run in shoes that work for them. Not that I agree with this even being an issue, but if it&#39;s a case of running shoes not looking professional....just limit authorized shoe colors. At least soldiers would still have options when it came to shoe style.&lt;br&gt; Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 2:52 PM 2014-02-17T14:52:10-05:00 2014-02-17T14:52:10-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 59049 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do not think so, I do not see the point in it. But what makes me mad about the Army trying to enforce a particular shoe is when PVT&#39;s come to reception (at Ft. Sill at least) and they have packed their bags according to the list their recruiters give them, AAFES (smh) FORCES them to purchase new shoes at their stupid little shoppette at 95th. I do not understand, except to simply gain more profit why AAFES and the Army (since they don&#39;t say DON&#39;T DO IT) force a PVT to purchase new shoes when THEY JUST BOUGHT BRAND NEW RUNNING SHOES. Now, understand I know that sometimes a PVT will show up with some new dumb Jordan&#39;s or something stupid that is not acceptable for running, but if they are RUNNING SHOES!!! why are they forced to buy new ones for another 60-80 dollars? When we would get them at BCT we would let them decide which pair they wanted if they were both running shoes of course. If the Army gets into forcing a particular shoe or shoes would that not be considered monopolizing unless they started issuing them?&lt;br&gt; Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 3:14 PM 2014-02-17T15:14:54-05:00 2014-02-17T15:14:54-05:00 SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member 59062 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>As someone with "unique" footwear needs thanks to my father's exposure to Agent Orange in Vietnam,  I think I would break the whole uniformity goal.</p><p><br></p><p>How?  I doubt the Army would have running shoes in one of the sizes (yes I wear two very different sizes)  I require.  Thus, I would have to be allowed to wear the footwear I am able to wear.  When I buy running shoes, it is like planning a major operation.  I have to find a brand that produces the two totally different sizes I need in the same color and style.  That usually means adult and youth sizes.  It is not an easy thing to do.  My latest pair had me on the Internet for over two hours trying to find the right match.</p><p><br></p><p>Based on my experiences in the Army trying to get basic issue footwear, I have no confidence in this latest line of thought.  In Basic Training, I had to get medical staff involved in just trying to get boots and low quarters.  Prior to my second deployment, it took an IG complaint and G-4 involvement to get an additional pair of boots issued to me by the civilians at RFI.  This is a bad idea all the way around.</p> Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 3:26 PM 2014-02-17T15:26:56-05:00 2014-02-17T15:26:56-05:00 MSgt Private RallyPoint Member 59064 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think in this time of fiscal constraints there is no better use for our time and money than trying to develop an official Army sneaker.  What a fantastic idea.  Just as long as it gets designed, fielded, and replaced with a newer version as soon as at least 75% of soldiers have already bought it. Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2014 3:27 PM 2014-02-17T15:27:55-05:00 2014-02-17T15:27:55-05:00 1SG Michael Blount 59580 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely not.  Don't we have more important things to do?  Typical example of trying to fix that which is not broken. Response by 1SG Michael Blount made Feb 18 at 2014 7:37 AM 2014-02-18T07:37:08-05:00 2014-02-18T07:37:08-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 59662 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why Why Why Why are we doing this?  Do we not have enough issues, and problems to take care of as we go through this massive drawdown than to worry about a uniform sneaker for PT?  Where does it stop?  And how do you uniformly issue shoes that still meet the needs of the individual?  I dont see a reason, and I see this causing more problems than fixing any. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2014 10:44 AM 2014-02-18T10:44:38-05:00 2014-02-18T10:44:38-05:00 SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member 59726 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>CSM I don't under stand why........ we have a million people in the army all with different feet. just like we have different boot's to choose from. one shoe for every person will never work. I have been through so many shoes to get to the ones that best fit my feet the best.</p><p><br></p><p>If they want a shoe that all "look alike" why not just pick a color like black or gray something subued. making all soldiers get one shoe will just lead to more ''feet profiles''.</p> Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2014 12:43 PM 2014-02-18T12:43:37-05:00 2014-02-18T12:43:37-05:00 SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member 59751 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What makes more sense is the Army contacting shoemakers about colors. Offer every shoe in black, gray, or gold, or a combination of these colors. It doesn't make sense to mandate a particular shoe......I'm still trying to figure out why our PT hats (fleece) are green instead of black? Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2014 1:35 PM 2014-02-18T13:35:33-05:00 2014-02-18T13:35:33-05:00 SSG Zachery Mitchell 60737 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>CSM Maynard, </p><p><br></p><p>I'm sure I'm beating a dead horse here but I 100% disagree with it. PT shoes are one of the very few ways a Soldier is allowed to show some individualism. If we mandate a generic shoe that looks the same for everyone we are only going to hurt our Soldiers more than we will be helping them. It will lower morale for one. Not to mention every Soldiers foot is not the same so I think injuries would also be more prone to happen. The benefit of being able to pick out our own PT shoes is we can find out what is comfortable for our feet and our needs during PT. </p> Response by SSG Zachery Mitchell made Feb 19 at 2014 11:36 PM 2014-02-19T23:36:42-05:00 2014-02-19T23:36:42-05:00 SSG James Doherty 67176 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>CSM Maynard,</p><p> </p><p>I could easily get behind a shoe that was designed especially for US Forces as long as the shoe is only being limited in its overall look.  There should be as many options (cushioning, motion control, stability, width, minimal, etc.) as are available through the current options.  It should also have a mileage limit equal to or greater than the best shoes on the market.  I have always been botherd by Soldiers that decide to wear lime green, hot pink, or other outrageous colors, but limiting the ability to choose which shoe is best for the activity or that day will only serve to hinder or harm Soldiers.</p> Response by SSG James Doherty made Mar 1 at 2014 7:04 AM 2014-03-01T07:04:42-05:00 2014-03-01T07:04:42-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 67319 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Haven't seen this posted yet, but if you read the article about the standard running shoes it would only affect those that are just joining the Army and not everyone else that is already in. They are trying to make it where the shoes that the new Soldiers are issued are American made. I agree with everyone else's opinion about the cost and the whole budget thing. There are far more important things that the Military should be using money on and this to me is not one of them. Just like every other thing in the Army, they would find some new pattern, color, style, or whatever and change it a few years down the road. This is just another example of fraud, waste and abuse. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 1 at 2014 1:54 PM 2014-03-01T13:54:06-05:00 2014-03-01T13:54:06-05:00 SGM Thomas Raymann 68436 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is the dumbest this I have ever heard.  Why does big Army believe that one size fits all when it comes to running shoes?   Response by SGM Thomas Raymann made Mar 3 at 2014 9:33 AM 2014-03-03T09:33:21-05:00 2014-03-03T09:33:21-05:00 WO1 Private RallyPoint Member 82484 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>ONLY if there is a SERIES of shoes to fit everyone&#39;s feet. Now if there is a single shoe for everyone, I can foresee nothing good coming of that. Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2014 10:49 PM 2014-03-22T22:49:32-04:00 2014-03-22T22:49:32-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 87568 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do not believe that we need a coookie cutter shoe for all Soldiers but I do think that we need to put some guidance out there as to what is an appropriate PT shoe. Our uniform is just that - a uniform. I find it really really annoying when an individual shows up with neon pink or purple running shoes to formation and when asked why they chose those particular shoes they respond with, "it gives me some freedom in my uniform SGT." No - you do not need freedom in your uniform. You need to just run. The enemy doesn't care what your shoes or your boots look like so stop trying to look pretty while on the track. Shoes should be conservative and simple. If I cannot wear a scrunchy or hair barette in my hair unless it meets the strictest of guidelines - do not put on shoes that take away from the formation or the professionalism of your uniform. Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2014 3:58 PM 2014-03-28T15:58:12-04:00 2014-03-28T15:58:12-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 87577 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I wonder which high-ranking officials have friends in the sneaker business?<br> Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 28 at 2014 4:02 PM 2014-03-28T16:02:57-04:00 2014-03-28T16:02:57-04:00 CW2 Jonathan Kantor 96714 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>NO! Look at the Army-issued Combat Boots! They are terrible! If they made a sneaker a standard, the majority of people would suffer. I can&#39;t wear the crap-boots they issue because they give me really bad blisters and cause pain in my arches and heel. They are pieces of crap. NO NO NO NO NO NO!!! Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Apr 8 at 2014 3:37 PM 2014-04-08T15:37:04-04:00 2014-04-08T15:37:04-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 97490 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absolutely not. I can see regulating colors but do not force someone to buy a certain name brand. Especially if Soldiers are running a lot and buy new sneakers as often as they suggest that will be expense and for enlisted, depending on the cost of sneakers, really cut into their clothing allowance. As for officers, well it would just be another thing we have to purchase. Let Soldiers buy what fits them and what works for them to run or walk or do whatever they need to do in that footwear. Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 9 at 2014 12:11 PM 2014-04-09T12:11:38-04:00 2014-04-09T12:11:38-04:00 SSG Lisa Rendina 113090 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I had one, and only one, pair of New Balance (the only currently compliant manufacturer) shoes during my time. I ran no more than 1 mile and it felt as if I had broken my ankle. It is a tremendously bad idea to force only one brand on new recruits (or any Soldier for that matter). Most new recruits are limited in their athleticism to begin with and many end up suffering both short and long-term lower extremity injuries. Poorly fit shoes are, to be sure, a contributing factor to many of those injuries. Response by SSG Lisa Rendina made Apr 27 at 2014 6:20 PM 2014-04-27T18:20:37-04:00 2014-04-27T18:20:37-04:00 SSG Todd Halverson 113150 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do not think that the type of running shoe a Soldier wears should be left up to the Army to dictate. Just look at all the problems the Army has had with a standard combat uniform and boots to go with it. It should be the Soldiers choice on what is proper for them. My advice would be to get vendors to come in during initial processing. There the Soldier could see the different types and try various styles. Also make it mandatory for the vendors to offer huge discounts to the Soldiers and make it available to be allotted out of their paycheck, since most will not have much cash on them when they get there. Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Apr 27 at 2014 7:39 PM 2014-04-27T19:39:20-04:00 2014-04-27T19:39:20-04:00 SFC Gary Fox 114078 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I went to BCT in '74, we weren't allowed to run in running shoes. Our PT uniform was t-shirt, fatigue pants, and combat boots. The boots were the same for everyone regardless of your foot. Now we should ask ourselves why did the Army come out with a PT uniform and allow Soldiers to wear running shoes? Answer - the high rate of injuries to the lower extremities. <br /><br />Though the Army wants to go with a uniformed running shoe, they have forgotten the number of injuries there were when Soldiers ran in a one style fits all footwear. <br /><br />I know, there aren't any of us in the Army anymore from back in my BCT days. I guess that's one reason I'm here. LOL Response by SFC Gary Fox made Apr 28 at 2014 10:06 PM 2014-04-28T22:06:54-04:00 2014-04-28T22:06:54-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 115758 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>CSM Maynard,<br /><br />I think an important piece of this issue that is being missed is that the Army and other services aren't the ones pushing for this. The Berry Amendment referenced in the Army Times article is where the idea of service members wearing clothing that was "Made in the USA" started. Up to this point, the services have been given an exemption because there isn't a shoe company out there that met the standard. I have read that New Balance is the closest to providing shoes that are American made, but even they have a lot of their footwear made overseas. I believe that at least one of the sponsors of the amendment are from Maine where New Balance has a lot of their factories. In my opinion, his is another example of politics taking precedence over common sense. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 30 at 2014 5:15 PM 2014-04-30T17:15:20-04:00 2014-04-30T17:15:20-04:00 Col Private RallyPoint Member 223131 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think the running shoe should be individualized per the fit of each person's foot. The Air Force has removed the color restrictions so that people can get the should that works for them. Personally, NB has never fit my feet well, and they are not a quality running shoe. Asics are my favorite as I have run over 5 half marathons using them. Response by Col Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2014 10:38 AM 2014-08-31T10:38:16-04:00 2014-08-31T10:38:16-04:00 SSG Keith Evans 223284 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is possibly one of the least-thought-out decisions we've had in recent years, and we've had a few. Every person has different bio-mechanics and no one manufacturer will be able to address them all. The shoe they have is based on a design of a shoe for ultra-marathoners. I can see this shoe causing injury for those who do not use this shoe for that kind of purpose, or for someone who runs marathons but needs a differently manufactured shoe. IMO, New Balance kills my ankles for some reason, I like my Merrell Trail Runner, they are a minimalist shoe that conforms to AR 670-1. This reeks of having one shoe for uniformity's sake and that is going to kill our mission readiness with injuries. Response by SSG Keith Evans made Aug 31 at 2014 1:26 PM 2014-08-31T13:26:12-04:00 2014-08-31T13:26:12-04:00 PO2 Tony Casler 223786 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is definitely something that should be left up to the individual. I hated the boot camp issue New Balance shoes. I have been a big fan of Asics for years, but recently picked up a pair of Mizuno on a recommendation at the local running shop and fell in love. I would hate to be stuck with garbage shoes just because some paper pusher thought they looked pretty with the PT uniform. Response by PO2 Tony Casler made Aug 31 at 2014 10:57 PM 2014-08-31T22:57:29-04:00 2014-08-31T22:57:29-04:00 SCPO Private RallyPoint Member 223824 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>New Balance are some of the only shoes I can wear without being in pain. Anyone want to guess why New Balance are the sneakers that are issued at BMT???? Becasue they are some of the only sneakers that are still MADE IN THE USA. All issued uniform items must be made in the USA. Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2014 11:29 PM 2014-08-31T23:29:18-04:00 2014-08-31T23:29:18-04:00 PO1 Private RallyPoint Member 224051 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I like 'em! Even got the "N" for NAVY! GO NAVY! BEAT ARMY!<br /><br />I love football season....... Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2014 9:08 AM 2014-09-01T09:08:03-04:00 2014-09-01T09:08:03-04:00 CPO Jon Campbell 224075 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>On one hand, I think it is great that it appears that some thought is going into the well-being of service members and how comfortable shoes relate to better health. On the other hand, the way shoes are procured with a massive contract awarded to a company is a process that will never be able to ensure that all service members get the shoes that are best for them. Response by CPO Jon Campbell made Sep 1 at 2014 9:57 AM 2014-09-01T09:57:57-04:00 2014-09-01T09:57:57-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 224084 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="292850" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/292850-17a-cyber-warfare-officer-cpb-7th-sig-cmd">CPT Private RallyPoint Member</a> IF the Army is looking a going to one style of shoe only, Bad Decision. Put five people in the room and each could need a differnt style of shoe to compensate for proper fitting(i.e. high arches, low arches, flat feet, pronation and supination of the feet when they walk/run, etc). <br /><br />Now if they Army is considering contracting New Balance to provide "shoes" and this difference is part of the contract, slightly different story. For me personally, I would not like them anyway, as I find them to be a bit to heavy for my taste. But then I a guy who enjoys wearing vibram toe shoes all summer very chance I get (not run in them). <br /><br />I could see the Army contracting to New Balance to provide PT Shoes and could also see the contract also being for particular colors in order to have more uniformity. <br /><br />If the Army does issue them, will it only be for the 1st pair, will they be a CIF item and replaced at no expense, probably not. I would say if not, then allow the Soldiers buy what they perfer. But then I was out of the office when DA called and asked my opinion. I would have said, I really think you guys up there could find better use of the money it's going to cost in the long run to do this, not including the 10-25% cost over run that we know will happen because they will not do it right the first time. Don't do it! Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2014 10:21 AM 2014-09-01T10:21:27-04:00 2014-09-01T10:21:27-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 224182 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There's already a petition against this.<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-dod-instituting-standard-issue-running-shoe-new-recruits/sKzP7xYx">https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-dod-instituting-standard-issue-running-shoe-new-recruits/sKzP7xYx</a> Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 1 at 2014 1:04 PM 2014-09-01T13:04:18-04:00 2014-09-01T13:04:18-04:00 Maj Matt Hylton 224629 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I like my five fingers too much. I'm glad the AF isn't going down this path and actually lifted the color restrictions it used to have until very recently. Response by Maj Matt Hylton made Sep 1 at 2014 9:35 PM 2014-09-01T21:35:50-04:00 2014-09-01T21:35:50-04:00 SSG Keith Evans 224955 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Just a thought, and I know someone will set me straight if I'm off base... but I thought the DoD had rules against endorsing products. If this is the only manufacturer that the Army goes with, how is it not an endorsement? Or the perception of an endorsement? Response by SSG Keith Evans made Sep 2 at 2014 9:25 AM 2014-09-02T09:25:12-04:00 2014-09-02T09:25:12-04:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 225233 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not a good idea. Soldiers need the shoes that are best for them. You just can not make everybody wear a certain shoe because it's black (or whatever color). As a senior NCO, I have no issues with the neon colors - at all. Maybe the black ones were sold out that day, doesn't matter to me. I enjoy running, and have recently begun to take it "fairly" seriously. In that time, I've learned that you can not just put on any pair of shoes and have it work for you, especially for the only reason of "some foreign company" getting my hard earned money. If the American's could make a shoe that is even fractionally comparable to, say, a Japanese shoe, I'd gladly pay for it. Has to be the right shoe, though. Most shoes are manufactured in places like Vietnam, anyway (Nike). Hell, according to New Balance's own website, only 1 of 4 pairs of their shoes are assembled in American factories. "In 2013, 1 out of every 4 pairs of shoes we sold in the USA was made or assembled in American factories..." Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2014 3:14 PM 2014-09-02T15:14:34-04:00 2014-09-02T15:14:34-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 225379 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is no different than sticking every soldier in the same boot. <br /><br />Why? Because everyone needs to be in uniform? Stupid. (Yes, everyone should be in uniform, but not at the safety and well being of your soldiers) UGh.. <br /><br />Well, you better be prepared to have even more soldiers hurt from sticking them all in the same shoe. Its foolish and a waste of time. Not to mention that if a soldier has to buy their shoes, why shouldnt they be able to pick what they want. <br /><br />Yes, I know my brooks being neon pink may be a little flashy, but I have tried every other brand of shoe out there. The lower the price my feet tend to suffer, which tend to be all the decent looking ones. <br /><br />Do we really need to worry about what our soldiers feet look like? Eh, NO! For Pete's Sake! Find something better to gripe and complain about than what soldiers are wearing on their feet. <br /><br />A soldiers tennis shoes have no affect on their mission capability - UNLESS - They are the wrong dang shoe and are providing issues to the soldier. <br /><br />Sure, you can issue me those dumb New Balance shoes (I call them dumb bc my feet dont like them, they may be great for others) but, give it 30days and I will have some awesome shin splits, pro-nation beyond all belief, arch issues and potential of stress fractures. I have been there, done that. <br /><br />Dumbest idea. Ever. <br /><br />Rant... Over Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 2 at 2014 5:01 PM 2014-09-02T17:01:39-04:00 2014-09-02T17:01:39-04:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 227261 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My off-the-shelf clearance Nike's do the job just fine. Why over-complicate a shoe? Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2014 3:55 AM 2014-09-04T03:55:55-04:00 2014-09-04T03:55:55-04:00 SGT Private RallyPoint Member 227668 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I've run thousands of miles at distances up to 50K (31 miles). I cannot wear several specific brands. I've tried and ended up with various foot/low leg injuries after making a switch to a new brand of shoe.<br /><br />Bad idea regardless of how you look at it. Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2014 1:10 PM 2014-09-04T13:10:55-04:00 2014-09-04T13:10:55-04:00 SFC Michael Bazzell 228741 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Everybody has different feet and to limit the footwear of a soldier is wrong and furthermore stupid. Its your knees, shins, and feet that get pounded from running an ungodly amount of miles a week. So limited footwear is not the answer. No limited the color of footwear is possible like how the army manages sunglasses. So if the Army to say no hot pink, purple, teal or whatever color they deem as to much would not be a big deal. Lets be real about this. The Army can't figure out which uniform it wants (been threw four variations of uniforms over the years BDU, DCU, and two different versions of ACUs) why should they bother soldiers about shoes. <br /><br />Just recently the Army limited the types of boots soldiers can wear. They banned the Nike SFB which was one of the best boots I wore in the desert. These Army uniform Nazis need to get over themselves and make standards basic. Response by SFC Michael Bazzell made Sep 5 at 2014 8:57 AM 2014-09-05T08:57:31-04:00 2014-09-05T08:57:31-04:00 SSG Shirley Cooper 228862 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Maybe specify the color of the shoes Response by SSG Shirley Cooper made Sep 5 at 2014 11:09 AM 2014-09-05T11:09:23-04:00 2014-09-05T11:09:23-04:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 228971 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>They should regulate the color. Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 5 at 2014 12:24 PM 2014-09-05T12:24:24-04:00 2014-09-05T12:24:24-04:00 SGT Richard H. 229087 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the army wants to have a standard-issue sneaker, they are going to first start issuing feet, so they can get all of those the same too....otherwise, it's a recipe for problems. Response by SGT Richard H. made Sep 5 at 2014 2:04 PM 2014-09-05T14:04:10-04:00 2014-09-05T14:04:10-04:00 Cpl Dennis F. 229093 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What are we, Chinese? Response by Cpl Dennis F. made Sep 5 at 2014 2:07 PM 2014-09-05T14:07:26-04:00 2014-09-05T14:07:26-04:00 SGT Allison Churchill 230270 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This wouldn't affect me at this point, but God, I really hope this doesn't happen. I don't see it going well at all. Response by SGT Allison Churchill made Sep 6 at 2014 12:38 PM 2014-09-06T12:38:27-04:00 2014-09-06T12:38:27-04:00 SPC Creighton Holub 231675 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As someone who sought out properly fitting footwear, forcing anyone into a standardized shoe will only create problems.<br />If anything, the military should increase the uniform pay to cover the more expensive -- and much better -- athletic shoes, insoles and socks that go into properly fitting footwear. Response by SPC Creighton Holub made Sep 7 at 2014 3:04 PM 2014-09-07T15:04:04-04:00 2014-09-07T15:04:04-04:00 SSgt Private RallyPoint Member 235658 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The point of expense is completely valid not only for this issue but others as well.<br /><br />As an E-5 I am given $450-$500 a year for clothing. Now let's factor in some things:<br /><br />- Shoes should be changed out at least yearly, and preferably every 6 months.<br />- A decent pair of running shoes from Sports Authority is at least $80.<br />- ACUs according to the manual last 6 months.<br />- Every SM is issued 4 pairs.<br />- Every set of ACUs costs roughly $100.<br />- Combat boots cost at least $70.<br /><br />Add it up:<br />$80 - 1 pair running shoes (for arguments sake)<br />$200 - ACUs<br />$70 - Boots<br />$350 = Total<br /><br />Now that's not counting ANYTHING else such as PCs, Socks, PTs, Tan shirts, PT belts, or anything for the dress uniform.<br /><br />Nevermind the fact that military members already make a salary below the poverty line . . . Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2014 2:13 PM 2014-09-10T14:13:13-04:00 2014-09-10T14:13:13-04:00 SGM Private RallyPoint Member 324920 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Oh. You mean SHOES. I thought you meant the people who sneak by, faking their way as soldiers.... Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2014 7:37 AM 2014-11-13T07:37:13-05:00 2014-11-13T07:37:13-05:00 SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member 326599 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Here is my problem with this; if everyone has to wear a specific shoe, then that means only one manufacturer, which means no price competition from other manufacturers, which means that they can set the price as high or as low as they want. Also, what is comfortable for some, may not be comfortable for others. There are just to many variables to make one shoe for everyone! Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2014 11:18 AM 2014-11-14T11:18:50-05:00 2014-11-14T11:18:50-05:00 SFC Dennis Yancy 806957 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>the shoes are different for each soldier. Mine were $300.00 in 1990 when I bought my last pair in Army because of knees as shin splints. Let soldiers have some individuality. There are not mindless. Response by SFC Dennis Yancy made Jul 10 at 2015 11:44 PM 2015-07-10T23:44:35-04:00 2015-07-10T23:44:35-04:00 2014-02-16T21:46:11-05:00