Posted on May 27, 2021
SPC Troy Shelby
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Have A acquaintance who served in Desert Storm as a Combat Medic and completed 10 years of service unfortunately he received a dishonorable for striking an officer one night while he was drunk, Ive always given him the respect I show fellow vets because he did serve for so long but I have also been "ripped by other vets for doing so because of his condition of discharge am I wrong to give him the respect I feel he earned in spite of his lack of self restraint that resulted in a one time mistake that cost him his career? I should note that according to the story this aquaintance was returning to base after a night in town at a club and in spite of being in civies the officer who was not part of his chain of command was demanding to be saluted. allegedly the officer was in civies as well at the time of the incident thus this man had no way to know the person was an officer.
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Cpl Vic Burk
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This story seems awful fishy to me. There has to be a lot more to it than they guy is letting on. Ten years of service honorable and getting a bad discharge for this one offense? And the story that he was ordered to salute an officer while in civies and the officer was also in civies? Nope, I don't buy it. This guy is wanting to make everyone think he was the victim to cover for his misconduct. The Marines as a very strict discipline code, stricter than the other branches and even this offense would not have resulted in a bad discharge unless the guy had already been in a $hithouse load of other trouble before and they decided it was time to dispose of him.

As far as whether you want to give him respect as a veteran, that's your decision. Nothing wrong with still being his friend, that too, it your decision.
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SSG Raul Alaniz
SSG Raul Alaniz
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SFC Dan Thomsen - I second that emotion, but something about this story that doesn't sound right. A piece of the puzzle is missing IMO only. Justice is not always right in the civilian world, and I suppose it can happen in the military as well, as for respecting him, bottom line, go for it, it's your decision, and i respect that.
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1stSgt George E Corwin
1stSgt George E Corwin
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The story doesn't pass the smell test, In my opinion!
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Cpl Samuel Pope Sr
Cpl Samuel Pope Sr
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There is a difference between a career and an act. I've had several dealings with officers that didn't realize that rank doesn't make the man. I got out a Cpl., because I turned a company around and it embarrassed the company commander. As a 2531 (radio) Cpl., I should have NO pull in an Arty battery. They gave me all of the Sad Sacks, Beetle Bailys, etc., all were Arty marines, to populate my RADIO platoon. I grew them into the Marines they joined the USMC to be. I taught them how to use radios, how to carry themselves as Marines. After a while, Tank Co. Commanders that needed radio men for Desert Games came directly to me/us for whatever they needed. With free weekends, I was slapped with a case worthy of "Office Hours", by my C co., because I was not on base on a Saturday, and my Sgt. Stripes were withheld. I got out 19 days later. No, you don't have to be drunk or insubordinate to be betrayed by a jealous or self-hating officer.
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PO3 Patrick Armstrong
PO3 Patrick Armstrong
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I wonder what generals daughter this officer was stuffing
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
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There is nothing wrong with being respectful and polite to someone regardless of what they did in the past. It's called being civil. I have a good friend who served in the Marine Corps who didn't receive an honorable discharge. I don't condone what he did to get a discharge that wasn't honorable and I said as much but I still consider him a friend. It's possible to separate two things and process them separately.

As for the story I am guessing there is a lot more to it. You don't generally see someone get court martialed for the single event of punching an officer. There is something else going on there but I doubt you will ever hear the full story.
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SSgt James Guy
SSgt James Guy
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I was taught you salute teh rank not the man. A man in civies has no obligation to salute an officer in Civies, Nor does he have to salute an officer in uniform.
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SPC John Tacetta
SPC John Tacetta
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I don't know. It certainly sounds plausible to me. Striking a superior officer is a very serious offence regardless of circumstances. My guess is that they were both drunk at the time. I've seen people court martialed for less.
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SSgt Christophe Murphy
SSgt Christophe Murphy
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SPC John Tacetta context is everything. I’m sure there are a lot more details than just this guy punched that guy. Which is my whole point.
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SPC Brian Romine
SPC Brian Romine
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I had an NCO who jumped into Grenada with the rangers. Rumor was he got kicked out of ranger battalion for striking an officer. He went on to serve with the 82nd in desert storm and retired as a master sergeant.
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SFC Retention Operations Nco
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You don't receive a Dishonorable Discharge for fighting. A DHD comes from being convicted in court martial, usually for pretty bad things. Things like rape, murder, major fraud and theft, child porn, etc.
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CPL G M
CPL G M
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In my days, the soldier has the option to take a non-judicial decision (if appropriate) or a court martial. Sometimes charges are dropped if a CM is selected. However, when taking your chance with a CM and found guilty, the punishment is more severe.
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CPO Kurt Baschab
CPO Kurt Baschab
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lets not forget that all Military services have a zero Tolerance for any type of ALCOHOL ABUSE, the fact he was under the Influence of Alcohol did not help him one Bit. that is what most likely got him his dishonorable Discharge, a good defense could defend him against everything else, but not being under the influence of Alcohol
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SSG Raul Alaniz
SSG Raul Alaniz
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CPO Kurt Baschab - You know something, was said officer drunk too, he was in civies, and said officer didn't have anything else to do but tell another person in civies to salute him, chain of command or not. In 20 yrs. of service, I've seen my share of officers thumping their chest, in civies saying the same thing this officer did, in civies you are supposed to show your military I.D. to back you up. Doesn't sound like that happen.
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CPO Kurt Baschab
CPO Kurt Baschab
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SSG Raul Alaniz - Sadly we will never know what type of Punishment if any the Officer Received, for the Simple Fact the Officer never tell you what type of punishment they receive, it very rare for enlisted members to see or hear of the Punishments' handed out to JO, for the simple fact the Officer want to keep it in house.

For a Officer to be publicly punished in front of his command, it would have to be very very Serious Offense, otherwise it handled by his Chain of Command, much the same way it is handle for enlisted personal, with one minor exception, the Enlisted personal do not see the Officer being Punished, this is done, in order to maintain Good order and Discipline.

do not mis-understand, there are times that a JO, or enlisted person should be punished publicly , in order to set a example , to prevent future In Fraction, of Good Order and Discipline, but lets be honest most minor In Fractions are handle privately, as for a JO that goes around demanding everyone Give him a hand Salute , that up to a Good Senior Enlisted person to educate the JO , on when and where this should be done. sadly in todays World, a Officer making this kind of Demands, is drawing Un-wanted attention to himself and other military personal, this could be very Dangerous, in todays war on Terror, the Battle field is everywhere.

to be honest, I Believe a simple Greeting of the day, should be all that is required, but my beliefs or what I want, do not factor in.

seriously when in Civilian Attire, a simple Greeting of the day would Draw less attention, and is still showing a simple common Courtesy, and Respect without drawing Un-Necessary Attention to oneself or others.

as for the Original comment, I agree with many others, there most likely more to the Story, just be Glad it not your Story.

PS: if you want to show him a common Courtesy and Respect, that up to you. just be careful. until you know his story better, be very careful. do not let him or anyone else that a scum bag, or a Potential Dirtbag drag you down.

sadly We Have to Remember Two Type of Personal RISE TO THE TOP, to Leadership Position, we have the FIRST TYPE,
CREAM OF THE CROP, this is what we all hope we have as leaders and what we all should ASPIRE TO BE THE Best of the Best.

then we have the Second Type , SCUM it to finds a way to RISE UP THOUGH THE RANKS, INTO LEADERSHIP POSTION'S.
stay away from the SCUM, Do not Become SCUM, this type of Leader can teach you what not to be . so be careful. do not let your story become part of the SCUM.
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