Is PRT worth doing at a monthly drill for National Guard and Reserves?

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 07:12:40 -0400

Can we change the habits of soldiers who don't train on their own? Is it worth the risk of injury with soldiers who only worry about physical fitness once a month?
On the other side, is this a good display of leadership by example? The soldiers who want to improve will know people who can help. Morale can be boosted by effective PT as well.

What are your thoughts?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 8:06 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 08:06:55 -0400

Leaders can influence and motivate with rewards/awards and booting repeat failures.
I think running would be the biggest cause for injury for those who don't exercise regularly.
All Soldiers should know and understand PRT, though.
Just because someone who needs help knows who can help doesn't mean they'll ask for it. I had a Soldier that wasn't improving in his APFT or weight loss and I "highly encouraged" he go to the gym with me so we can get some of that weight off. This was AD, but the same concept can apply in the Reserves. If a Leader knows a Soldier needs and WANTS the help, extend a hand.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Mar 17 at 2016 8:08 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 08:08:59 -0400

It becomes a time management issue. "Is the Juice worth the squeeze?"

1) How long does it take to run the program (2 hours?) out of the amount of time you have available each drill period? Add in recovery time (changing/rest/etc)

2) How many people will it affect? Both Quantity and Percentage?

I'm not saying it isn't worth doing, but like everything it will be a "competing requirement."

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 8:20 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 08:20:11 -0400

If you are looking at getting your Soldiers fit, then NO. Two days a month doing PRT is not going to physically benefit them.
PRT is designed to prevent injuries, so even your laziest Soldier should be able to handle it during the drill.
It is good to encourage physical fitness and use the time to train/prepare Soldiers for NCOES. It can also be a moral boost and the only time all the Soldiers in the unit are together besides formations (depending on how the unit is structured).

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 8:51 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 08:51:23 -0400

Speaking as the OIC for all things PT in my company, I will say no, you cannot change the habits of the Soldier that only PTs once a month (if that) and continues to fail PT tests. What we can do, is provide them the tools to make their own decision. For example, develop a PT plan for them during the month and/or a cost effective and healthy meal plan (for those that bust tape).

I strongly encourage you to continue to conduct PRT every drill for exactly what everyone has said here, it boosts morale (as long as the PRT is not boring for them), it may encourage those to continue to PT throughout the month, and it allows whoever leading the PRT a chance to develop their leadership skills. Whoever is in charge of PT, make them dive into FM 7-22 and develop a plan and provide it to you in writing prior to drill. It will cause them to stop, think, plan, assess risks, and modify their plan just as they would any other mission.

And don't worry too much about injuries, because PRT was designed to reduce the risk. With that being said, the exersice should be approved by PLT leadership at a minimum with a risk assessment before its implemented (more planning practice for them). You wouldn't want them playing rugby free for all or having a royal rumble. Haha.

All in all, I think PT every month at drill is a great idea and should be apart of the training schedule as long as time permits. It shows what you expect them to do (PT everyday) even during the month.

Response by COL Jon Thompson made Mar 17 at 2016 9:06 AM

COL Jon Thompson — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:06:14 -0400

I don't believe it worth the time for only a MUTA4 drill/BA. Doing PRT once a month will not improve anyone's fitness so you will not get anything out of it other than some potential injuries leading to line of duty investigations. Then it will take close to 1/4th of the entire weekend to get ready, get it done, and then have personal hygiene time (most facilities I have seen have limited showers) afterwards. So you end up spending probably close to an entire morning doing it. It is difficult enough to do an APFT twice a year because of these same things. The units in which I served barely had enough time to fit in METL based training with all the other mandatory training we had to do. Had we done PRT every drill weekend, it would have been even less time to focus on our mission.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 9:21 AM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:21:44 -0400

Yes, I believe it is absolutely worth it. I personally don't like PRT, but it is a program that is designed to sustain the most basic levels of physical fitness. If you delve into 7-22, you can create some great workouts that will get them sweating. Keeping this consistent over every drill will hopefully reduce the risk of injury. I know that NG and Reserves are a bit different, but Soldiers/NCOs should be receiving counselings that specifically instruct them to PT on their own in order to PASS and APFT.

Secondly, if you are sending your Soldiers and NCOs to NCOES, knowing the proper commands and exercises for PRT is crucial. Those are all testable elements of BLC and ALC. If you are not preparing your Soldiers/NCOs by affording them the opportunity to conduct/lead PRT, you as a leader are failing them, as they will be unprepared once they arrive at those schools.

Response by SGT Dave Tracy made Mar 17 at 2016 9:24 AM

SGT Dave Tracy — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:24:02 -0400

I lament the loss of old school PT in favor of regimented, and all too often lax PRT, but even though the Guard & Reserve meet just 2 days a month, they need to know it, even if it has little physical training benefit doing it 1 or 2 days a month.
Given time constraints, it may not be practical to do PRT every BA, but as a part of basic soldier knowledge, it does need to be practiced if we must be saddled with PRT.

Response by Capt Tom Brown made Mar 17 at 2016 9:27 AM

Capt Tom Brown — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:27:54 -0400

As I recall there was never enough time, even at a weekend drill to do such things as PT. There were too many administrative requirements including signing this and signing that, (the 1stSgt needs to see so-&-so), accounting for gear, planning for annual training, standing in chow lines, etc. We were lucky to figure out who was there and who was absent and had no time for any meaningful training. If quotas, admin and such bother you on active duty, just imagine what it's like in the reserves when you meet only on weekends for a limited amount of time.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 9:45 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 09:45:05 -0400

If it only happens during one weekend a month, it won't benefit any individuals except those who do it during the month when you're apart. It's still worth the effort since it's necessary training for the soldiers who conduct it and the leaders who need to know how to lead it.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 10:12 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:12:00 -0400

PT once a month is pretty much a waste of time IMO.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 10:28 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:28:14 -0400

Sadly, I feel PRT is a waste of time for anyone. I've never known a Soldier increase their PT score by doing so, it takes motivation and more than PRT has to offer. To answer your question, you should only for the reason of them knowing how to conduct PRT for NCOES...

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Mar 17 at 2016 11:07 AM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:07:34 -0400

SFC John Long - I hate PT. Hated it when I was in the RA, and hate it now. I personally think that PRT is useless. So you can do 200 push ups in 2 min but can lift a 50 cal to the top of a truck. You can do a 100 sit ups but can't lift a tire off the ground to change the humvee tire. I get that i show cardio and that is a good thing. But why not lift, or do actual combat related stuff. Why not get the ASV or MRAP out and change tires. Builds muscle, team strength and also teaches the young buck their jobs. Tire changing is a 10 level task.

But I agree, most of my guys say "I am not paid to do guard when not on drill status." As a team leader and assistant squad leader I put in a lot of guard time between drills. SSD, Training classes, Emails, phone calls, ect. I am not getting paid for it and I take away from my family and work. Wife doesnt understand that it just has to be done!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 11:45 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 11:45:49 -0400

I have found that PT is important to the continuation of team unity, rather than physical preparation. You cannot dictate what your soldiers do during the rest of the month so focus your efforts on building a team to deploy and accomplish your mission with.

Response by LCpl Arrick Moore made Mar 17 at 2016 12:41 PM

LCpl Arrick Moore — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 12:41:22 -0400

In my opinion, I do not believe the PT for reserves or guard help in the slightest... Half the reserves and guard members I have ever met never even did a Fitness Test after boot camp... they were either injured at work and couldn't perform the test when the unit decided to test, or they skipped drills for that weekend... The absolute worse set of Reserves I served with outperformed the Active Duty Marines in the course of their MOS duties in Iraq... (Other than Infantry) regardless of the physical shape they were in... The sad part is that the PT test in any branch should NOT qualify a person to be able to perform a job... yes, a basic rifleman needs to be able to walk, crawl, stand, run, roll, and etc... however, in all the time I was in the Marine Corps. the only thing I needed to be able to do well was my JOB... meaning what I was trained in MOS (A School for your squids) school to perform.

Shoot, even while deployed in Iraq, I never had more than 30 rounds in my possession, which basically said I was either too good at hand to hand combat to arm, or else I was expendable.

While I was active duty, I ran a 6 minute mile, 100 crunches in 2 minutes,20 dead arm hangs pullups, etc... and shortly after I went to reserves and started focusing on life in general, family, and other priority's, not only did my run time suffer, but my ability to perform any of the fitness test items suffered...

Today, although I have the stamina of an ox, and can keep trudging for days, and days... I doubt I could run a mile if I was not being chased, let alone the other items... However, if you ask me to perform ANY of the obstacle course tasks, I could and do still perform them just as I did when I was active duty.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 12:54 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 12:54:37 -0400

I don't think PRT is very helpful anyways. My unit lets the platoon SGT lead there own PT every Sunday of drill.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 1:54 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 13:54:10 -0400

PRT on drill weekend. Great idea but how do you squeeze it in and make it worthwhile. Training schedules for a MUTA 4 are already maxed out, especially if you have movements and convoys, PMCSing equipment and vehicles. The list goes on. You don't have the time to do a full blown PRT but you can squeeze a modified PRT into an hour, even it if is nothing more than basics. Will it help the Soldier who does not exercise on his own between drills - not one dime. Then you lose him/her to the medics as they fill out their LOD for doing PRT and almost dying on you.

Response by SFC Marcus Belt made Mar 17 at 2016 2:03 PM

SFC Marcus Belt — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:03:46 -0400

I'm a PSYOP guy, so yeah, I believe you can change behaviors!

Examine the problem like this: what condition or set of conditions prevents or discourages them NOT to do PT on their own? Which of those conditions can you affect? For instance: if the reason they don't do it on their own is because of a lack of consequences for PT failure, you can address that.

However, that's a "negative motivator", and those kinds of motivations don't usually work long-term. If you do PRT every drill, some people will get tired of being tired and work on their own time to make the experience less painful.

When you see improvement, praise the process that brought about the improvement, not the result: this is Effective Praise.

Add incentives: score a 250 or above and you don't have to do organized PT at drill for a quarter, but encourage Soldiers, leaders especially, to work out with their Soldiers between drills.

As a former Guardsman (29th ID), I know some of the challenges the RC faces, and I also know that they often have to get really creative to overcome them.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 2:32 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 14:32:26 -0400

I absolutely think that it is worth doing and is something that I have implemented at my unit. We do PRT on Sunday mornings for multiple reasons: 1. It is mandatory for PT & Ht/Wt failures. True, this one day a month may not change their habits but we also have these Soldiers take a diagnostic pt test monthly as well. This helps them know where they are at as well as providing leadership with a narrative of how much work Soldiers are putting in between BA's. So far we have seen the majority of our Soldiers that are pt and/or ht/wt failures show improvements from month to month. I had one Soldier drop two minutes off of his run time just a couple of weekends ago. 2. PRT provides our Junior Enlisted headed to PLDC or WLC (or whatever the hell it is called this week) and freshly promoted NCO's another opportunity to practice being in front of and leading a formation. We view it as a preparation, development and familiarization. This also allows an opportunity for our NCO's to potentially have another "bullet' for their NCOER's. Practice in developing a plan and appropriate risk assessment. Et cetera... 3. It provides leadership at all levels (as well as other Soldiers) the opportunity to get up a little earlier than usual/expected to get out there and encourage their Soldiers, their peers in their pursuit of self-improvement. I believe this develops a stronger bond between Soldiers and leadership.

As for the risk of injury, I think that all depends on the PRT/PT that is being done. We assign one of our high speed 4's or fresh 5's to lead PRT and part of that is that they have to develop a plan and present their plan to me (i'm the unit MFT). At that point I get to make the assessment and determination of the appropriateness of the training. So, I think with responsible leadership, injury should be a mitigated risk.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Mar 17 at 2016 3:15 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 15:15:08 -0400

It's not the training, you'll never build strength in "one weekend a month". It's discovering the "weakness" in peacetime instead of when $h1+ hits the fan and there's no time to get people up to speed.

Response by LTC John Wilson made Mar 17 at 2016 3:33 PM

LTC John Wilson — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 15:33:23 -0400

Having served extensively in the Active Army, ARNG and the USAR, I can tell you that PRT during monthly drills is generally a waste of time with some exception. There is already little time on a weekend training schedule to accomplish what is necessary. Leaders have to devote scarce training time and resources to those things which are either (a) required or (b) have the longest lasting intrinsic value to training readiness. Formal PRT -- as it is conducted in the AC (i.e. DAILY) -- is neither required of a RC unit, nor does it have any lasting intrinsic value to training readiness.

On the other hand, a leader may enhance physical readiness by incorporating the physical demands required of the average Soldier into other training events. For example, our CA company coupled a ruck march to and from a weapons qualification range and gave the Soldiers several months of notice and instruction as to how they might prepare in their own time. We clipped along at the Infantry School pace and lost only a few -- who felt challenged never to let the team down again. It built confidence, esprit de corps, and challenged Soldiers to maintain their own PRT routine at home. Another time, we incorporated Combatives. We've had Soldiers carry their rucks and battle rattle around the orienteering course.

When I was assigned to infantry formations in the ARNG, we routinely crammed weeks worth of physically demanding tactical training into a weekend FTX. If we'd stopped to conduct routine PRT each day of the drill, we could never have accomplished all the complex tasks we managed to, and the Soldiers functional strength and stamina were challenged far more over the course of the weekend than if we'd stopped for an hour or so of traditional calisthenics.

A normal PRT routine may be established at a mobilization station to fine tune what every TPU Soldier SHOULD be working on in their own time. Conducting PRT to Army Standard in a drill weekend will not have as much of an effect on individual efforts as knowing they will have to keep up with the rest of the team during physically demanding individual and collective training will.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 17 at 2016 4:46 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 17 Mar 2016 16:46:43 -0400

If your goal is to train them directly to be physically fit, then no. One weekend a month is ineffective.
However, if your goal is to train them HOW to be physically fit and set an example, then you are on the right track.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Mar 18 at 2016 1:40 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Fri, 18 Mar 2016 01:40:40 -0400

I'm too old for PRT, but during drill weekend, Saturday we always did PT. It wasn't about getting soldiers in shape, it was more teaching and one could press them enough so you could see those who'd been doing some PT at home on their own. It was also a good eye opener for soldiers, as sometimes we'd do a diagnostic APFT which would let soldier know where they stood. I believe it would be the same for this new style.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 18 at 2016 8:04 AM

CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 18 Mar 2016 08:04:31 -0400

We try to do monthly PT events like diagnostic APFT's or a ruck march. From my experience the only thing you can do at drill with PT is assess fitness levels rather than improve them.

Response by LTC Brian Croteau made Mar 22 at 2016 6:40 AM

LTC Brian Croteau — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 06:40:00 -0400

So many issues wrapped up in a single question... 1) You're not going to re-inspire soldiers into Basic or AIT thinking. 2) Accepting that, teaching techniques that are not time- or equipment-dependent would be much more useful. Let's start with pushups. These can be done anytime and anyplace. With the exception of women in skirts or dresses, this is something that can be done even in the workplace. Dropping for pushups in an office environment may look silly at first, but unless your soldier is hiding is Reserve/Guard status from other employees, over time your office soldier may get others to join in or at least cheer him/her on. Showing a situp alternative such as crunches, especially w/ alternating elbow-to-knee movements, and explaining it as a habit to acquire right after you get up, before you take your shower and start your day. Those two alternative exercises alone, if the soldier reacquires the exercise habit with them, can lead to a desire to find time for a more intensive aerobic-based workout, whether running, treadmill, stair-stepper, or elliptical...

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 8:54 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 08:54:08 -0400

We recently instituted monthly APFT and diagnostic APFTs at our unit. This originally started in my squad for anyone scoring below a 270. The idea was to push Soldiers to work harder on PT between drills so they wouldn't have to worry about this every single month. We received some gripes initially from a few Soldiers so we requested this to be added to the training plan everyone month and our CO was all about the plan and made it for the entire company.

While this has worked for some, there will always be those Soldiers who wont do PT unless forced or directed to. For these Soldiers in my squad, I have started to use Social Media and apps to aid in tracking their PT between drills. Starting with checking in to their local gym on FB, and then tracking their workout through fitness trackers such as BodySpace.

Once a month PRT or any other form of PT will not be enough to improve any ones overall physical readiness. Ultimately, it will be up to us leaders to find new and inventive ways to help Soldiers meet their potential on their own time between training periods.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 10:54 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 10:54:04 -0400

If you're looking at it in a physical point of view, NO............However, it builds morale!!!!

Response by MSG Mark Million made Mar 22 at 2016 11:47 AM

MSG Mark Million — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 11:47:31 -0400

I would say yes. The point in my opinion would not be to improve the physical readiness in two days, the point is to remind our soldiers in a non-verbal way that pt is part of soldiering. We all learn in different ways and hearing about pt every month just gets old. But for some the physical reminder can bring about a check on learning to remind our troops of what happens to s body not being taken proper care of. Not all units have the ability to implement this as missions take precedence and time constraints vary within units, however if one soldier finds prt on drill weekend harder than they had anticipated and is thereby motivated to work on physical fitness, I would then say such a program was a success and worthwhile.

Response by CSM Francine Milam made Mar 22 at 2016 1:05 PM

CSM Francine Milam — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 13:05:39 -0400

To start with doing physical training on a drill weekend is a wast of time if that's the only training the soldier is going to do that month. It is one of the soldiers homework duties to take care of himself through the month to prepare for his semi annual testing. If he doesn't pass his test no schools, promotions or re enlistment . It would be the master trainers duty to set up training programs for soldiers to conduct during the month and assess the soldiers progress and counsel on their progress.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 22 at 2016 3:20 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 22 Mar 2016 15:20:51 -0400

This Is a awesome display of leadership by example! The Army is still s time last I remember! Each one in our ranks should take on the added role to help ensure a consistent process of enabling the borderline soldiers getting to std. What the individual does on his or her own time is on them. But at least the team during drill weekend is helping to maintain a fitness standard. Like it or not it is our job. And can only make your job easier in the future!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 12:13 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 00:13:08 -0400

PT is essential. Regardless of MUTA 4 or not. When we had home station drill, we had PT every morning if we didn't have an airborne operation.

PRT is good for a few reasons:
1. Better to have someone work out once a month than none at all
2. Esprit de Corps
3. Preparation for Soldiers going to BLC.

The third reason was instrumental to having my company have a number of Honor Graduates at the RTI. Unlike AD Soldiers, many of my Soldiers in the Guard will experience PRT during IET and never be exposed to it again. And yet, for BLC, they will be graded on instructing and leading a portion of PRT. This sets them up for success. Our unit had the privilege of having an MFT who would meet with the Soldier the day prior and then they would execute it the next day.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 10:42 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 10:42:01 -0400

I fell it does its not jus the motions but a big thing is to mentally impart the need for it, I stress not just doing PRT for the Army but for better health , I always try to share stuff for my battles on exercise outside of just doin gth ePT test but for overall quality of life

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 12:22 PM

CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 12:22:55 -0400

Ng and reserves should pay for gym memberships so long at the soldier passes pt every 6 months. There should be extra incentive to maintain 70% or better. Once a month prt is a waste of time.
Other options is to make compulsory pt with AGR guys for pt failures. It can be coordinated with whoever is local since some people live far.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 23 at 2016 6:41 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:41:59 -0400

At every step of professional development you are required to conduct a PRT session. If you have never seen one done properly (by the book) let alone led one you are at a great disadvantage. If you don't have your younger troop’s senior E-4s and E-5s lead a PRT session you are failing them. As a leader you need to make sure your troops are properly prepared when they arrive at a NCOES.

Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2016 1:20 AM

CW4 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 01:20:40 -0400

Annual training is a great opportunity to regularly achieve the esprit de corps and training effects of PRT. Incorporating physically demanding training into the standard drill weekend and fostering a team culture will motivate the motivated to be ready each month to carry their share of the load.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 24 at 2016 10:19 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 24 Mar 2016 10:19:32 -0400

Weight for me is always the issue. I am good at PT, but I work hard each month and my eating habits are bad because I can't eat what I want. I drink lots of water, eat vegetables, and yogurt. I really diet hard but even though I am squeaking by on my weight, my PT is great because I try to lose weight and workout really extra hard the 2 months before the PT test. This is really hard because it has been years doing this. Otherwise I don't see why the PT standards are difficult, I believe it is a morale issue and mostly a mind set you need to be in.

Response by SSG Ray Elliott made Mar 26 at 2016 9:24 AM

SSG Ray Elliott — Sat, 26 Mar 2016 09:24:32 -0400

As a retired reservist, I know that having to do push ups and sit ups etc. at the drill, and having someone count them out for me was motivation for me to prepare on my own between drills. If you use the drill as a time to assess where your soldiers are, and identify what they need to improve on you will see improvements in most soldiers physical readiness.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 2 at 2017 6:30 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 02 Feb 2017 18:30:40 -0500

Yes, not only does it remind soldiers of one of the many reasons they joined. It also builds comradere and motivation!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 10 at 2017 2:36 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 10 Aug 2017 14:36:31 -0400

A little more information, I work OCONUS and my unit gets National Guard/Reserve rotations every summer. Since they fall under us for the 3 weeks they're here (drill is 3 weeks when its OCONUS), we made it a regulation they they are required to join us for company PT. This new unit is stating they do not have to participate in PT in fear of injury. My unit is a clinic so our company pt is usually a game and its not at all extreme. I'm not familiar with NG/R regulations but are they prohibited from doing PT like they are stating?