Is QMP the right or just answer for those selected that have 16 or 17 years? The past month has been rough for many senior NCOs.

Your probibly right. I look at the context of my MOS and the trends that are current and the situation is always depending

Just remember that when you get your pink slip pal.

SGM Scott dooley I will.

And I will add that when my number is up and the years have past and I have done all that I can in this force. I will leave with honor for what I have contributed to the fight. But I will alway stand by my Convictions when it's time to hang it up. Do not mistake me for a Soldier that will milk the system. I know where I stand.

Thank you for your service and yes, one situation and your out, I believe that it all depends on the situation our incident. I also believe that all the NCOs that have come down on this program have an option to fight to stay in. I believe most will win if they have shown career progression and been able to move on and not get in more trouble down the road. I am a stickler for things that happen for a reason, I believe that Soldiers will get in trouble throughout their career, even if it's severe or petty. It that Soldier shows promise and excels in his life and career, he should have a second chance. Many Soldiers can learn from that Soldiers experience and be taught that they can rebound from adversity.

Thank you, SFC Patrick. I must add this. Out of 12 NCO's selected, only one made it. He was allowed to continue service beacause it was clerical error on the Army. The rest of us were only allowed to submit factors of mitigation if it only dealt with the reason for selection. At the end of the day, it is a tool to reduce numbers. I am proud to have served and have no hard feelings towards the Army.

Keep your head up it happen to me as well. Like you said I am not bitter I would do it again, but the Army got rid of some great NCOs with the QMP downsizing. It was heartbreaking, but Im resilient. That's what they preach.

Very well said.

I don't believe it's a "proper teaching, coaching and mentoring" issue. It's far deeper than that. It's that the senior ranks are farther removed from the troops and societal norms and values. I'm not implying those norms and values are in line with the standards and Army values, but in order for a true leader to be great, they must recognize how to manage their people (talent). Many seniors get set in their ways and try to force the junior personnel to fit their ideal mold, and in today's world that mold may be outdated. For example, reference the "Greatest Generation" and their views toward Gen X, Y, etc. Also, look at our current elected leaders, as most are completely out of touch with modern American society.

I don't believe it's too much to ask to have senior leadership, who are serving at the pleasure of the public, to have excellent track records. Tolerance of indiscretions/violations may be okay in the elected arenas, but it shouldn't be in the military. If we tolerate one deviance from the standard, then why not all of them? Who's to judge what deviation is going to be tolerated? It's a slippery slope and the only true, and fair way to ensure the American public is paying for and receiving the highest quality military service is to institute these boards across all ranks.

Correct, but you don't think there's a lack of maturity in the equation?

SFC (Join to see) Your not wrong .. but your not pointed in the right direction.
Absolutely agree that the systematic issues which exist today causing, leading to, supporting the decline of the professionalism in todays enlisted ranks must be addressed...
However that is not what QMP is about.... Like it or not, the powers to be said trim the numbers... If the numbers MUST be trimmed and that is the order, and we follow orders..Then how BEST to trim them... And my opinion is ridding the organization of the non performing, then those with less than stellar paths all while continuing to bring in new blood and addressing the issues you see your self that need fixing.. THAT is the path to success.
The idea is great, I wont go so far as to say the process if perfect .. heck even if it is great.. some will still get caught up that should get a second chance. and that sucks..

But lets face it, the ones QMP are focused on,,,,, the ones the board criteria point to with focus.. If you have a 30 man platoon, and the commander said you can only choose 25 to go on the mission.. a vital one, a required one, one you will be honored to accomplish and believe in your heart it must be done right or else, say protecting the nation, or even the unit on your left or right.....do you pick your best 25? or include some of the all others and a few with issues just to be fair? Your answer is valid no matter what it is, because it is yours. I'll give you the answer I choose from 1986 when I pinned Sgt E5 to the last day in 1st Cav as the G3 Sergeant Major … only the best, only the ones I could trust, only the ones that perform EVERYDAY.