Is saying "drag all politicians out and draw and quarter them" a violation of UCMJ?

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 17:22:21 -0500

Is this a UCMJ violation? No specific people mentioned. SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL SFC James J. Palmer IV aka "JP4" LTC Stephen F. CPL Dave Hoover SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth SSG Private RallyPoint Member Capt Dwayne Conyers CPT Jack Durish MSG Private RallyPoint Member

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jan 6 at 2021 5:27 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 17:27:01 -0500

A lot of things are being said but not done. Yes, there are provisions imposing restrictions on freedom of speech while subject to the UCMJ. Article 88 of the UCMJ, 10 U.S.C. 888, makes it a crime for a commissioned military officer to use contemptuous words against the President and Congress, among others. The Department of Defense has also expanded this rule to include all military enlisted personnel (DOD Directive 1344.10).

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Jan 6 at 2021 10:39 PM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Wed, 06 Jan 2021 22:39:56 -0500

I believe so. Then again, it sounds like a pretty good idea

Response by COL Jeff Williams made Jan 7 at 2021 12:34 AM

COL Jeff Williams — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 00:34:05 -0500

Probably someone from JAG should weigh in on this. But I think no it is not. The three specific elements (with exception) that define a crime which the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt in order to obtain a conviction: (1) that a crime has actually occurred (actus reus), (2) that the accused intended the crime to happen (mens rea) and (3) and concurrence of the two meaning there is a timely relationship between the first two factors.

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jan 7 at 2021 6:07 AM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:07:49 -0500

Yes.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 7 at 2021 12:21 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 12:21:03 -0500

Yes, UCMJ Article 88 - Contempt Toward Officials, if you are an commissioned officer. Article 134, General Article for Enlisted.

Response by SSG Brian G. made Jan 7 at 2021 6:18 PM

SSG Brian G. — Thu, 07 Jan 2021 18:18:16 -0500

No. It is free speech and not actionable. One could say "All politicians" or "Republicans/Democrats" should be drawn and quartered, and be fine. To be chargeable it has be shown as contempt towards a specific individual. IE Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnel etc.

This could certainly be counseled with an advisory that it COULD lead to UCMJ actions if it continues. Could or would is really objective and up to the charging authority and how they see it and their ability to press and prosecute the case.