PO3 Private RallyPoint Member 137531 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Maybe I was just expecting something different when I joined, but from what I&#39;ve seen so far it seems that the navy is too worried about stepping on other people&#39;s toes and less worried about what actually matters. I understand that we need to evolve and change, but for what, and why?. I&#39;ve been told that orders right now are to &quot;man the fleet&quot;, but it seems that quality is being sacrificed for quantity. I&#39;ve only just graduated bootcamp, and it might just be my ignorance based on lack of actual experience and time in the navy, but I was just curious as to what some more experienced sailors thought about this. <br /><br />Also curious as to whether or not the airman, soldiers, and marines feel the same way about their respective branches. 2014-05-29T00:15:27-04:00 PO3 Private RallyPoint Member 137531

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Maybe I was just expecting something different when I joined, but from what I&#39;ve seen so far it seems that the navy is too worried about stepping on other people&#39;s toes and less worried about what actually matters. I understand that we need to evolve and change, but for what, and why?. I&#39;ve been told that orders right now are to &quot;man the fleet&quot;, but it seems that quality is being sacrificed for quantity. I&#39;ve only just graduated bootcamp, and it might just be my ignorance based on lack of actual experience and time in the navy, but I was just curious as to what some more experienced sailors thought about this. <br /><br />Also curious as to whether or not the airman, soldiers, and marines feel the same way about their respective branches.

2014-05-29T00:15:27-04:00 2014-05-29T00:15:27-04:00 CWO4 Private RallyPoint Member 150614

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2014-06-11T01:39:43-04:00 2014-06-11T01:39:43-04:00 PO3 Stephen West 174286

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Boot camp in winter of '77 was brutal and the CC's played serious head games. I know my company lost 5 before it was over because they couldn't take the verbal and physical abuse heaped on recruits. From what i hear now the CC's can't even yell at a recruit or belittle them in any way. Kind of softens the guys, but i guess all the new PC Navy is that way. When I reported aboard my first Engine Room I was greased within a week, all in good fun but now it's considered hazing....

2014-07-09T20:20:15-04:00 2014-07-09T20:20:15-04:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 182466

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You're always free to set your own, personal standards if you feel that the Navy's are too low.

2014-07-20T13:48:40-04:00 2014-07-20T13:48:40-04:00 PO1 Private RallyPoint Member 182484

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Maybe you should slow down there, you&#39;re just now in A-School. Yeah, boot camp isn&#39;t the horror stories of the past, but don&#39;t worry about it, people love to knock down cocky NUBs a few pegs or two out in the real Navy

2014-07-20T14:06:55-04:00 2014-07-20T14:06:55-04:00 SSG Robin Rushlo 182501

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I do not know but the WAVE I dated was REALLY SOFT.

2014-07-20T14:23:53-04:00 2014-07-20T14:23:53-04:00 PO2 Private RallyPoint Member 185748

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't think it is getting to soft i thin to many people are becoming buddy buddy and once someone is promoted they still try to be buddy when they still need to keep their military bearing , and don't because of them being buddies before.

2014-07-24T21:52:11-04:00 2014-07-24T21:52:11-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 185948

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Was it ever hard? LOL

2014-07-25T08:47:55-04:00 2014-07-25T08:47:55-04:00 CPO Private RallyPoint Member 186748

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>PO1 Crotts has an excellent post! Things will start to become more clear during your first 72 hours at your first command. Yes, some people want to be friends first and mission accomplishment second, but the majority of us joined for a common reason of doing something involving discipline. You'll come to your own conclusion.

2014-07-26T13:20:11-04:00 2014-07-26T13:20:11-04:00 SCPO Private RallyPoint Member 186809

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There are people in every group that will tell the new members how much better and tougher things were in their day. How the new training makes everyone soft, ineffective, etc... <br />Bull - the fact that people are expected not to yell, scream, or curse at recruits or subordinates doesn't mean you can't chew them out and get through to them. As remarked by a now retired HMCM - "We just have to be smarter and more creative." Three years ago I told one of my Marines (Joint service is an amazing thing) that I was disappointed in what he had given me and that I knew he could do better. He turned to immediately and corrected what had disappointed me. He felt like crap for disappointing me and worked twice as hard from then on to meet my expectations. Not only did I not yell at him, I actually lowered my voice. He had a MSgt who screamed, cursed, and otherwise abused him - the Marine would have covered him in a firefight but wouldn't take a speck of initiative to assist him otherwise. <br />Wait until you're deployed to decide if the training you've had is too soft. I'm betting you'll find you're better prepared than many who have gone before you.

2014-07-26T15:19:45-04:00 2014-07-26T15:19:45-04:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 187903

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am not trying to bash another branch but if you wanted to be hard than why join the Navy. That is like saying I wanted to get in the dirt then joining the Air Force. The Army Infantry is much harder and even more so is the Marines. I only question why would you expect the military to be hard when you are in a non-combat MOS in a bunch that does not go into direct combat roles, minus a few MOSs. I am not taking away from the Navy but it just seems like that some expectations should be forecasted within the realm of reality of your function.

2014-07-27T23:37:20-04:00 2014-07-27T23:37:20-04:00 PO1 Private RallyPoint Member 280883

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It will all depend on how you look at things when you get to your first command in any branch you have your like and dislikes. Im a FMF Corpsman and I love it. Take care of both the blue side and greenside has its challenges. I've been going on 11 years and have seen a lit and done alot. Just remember this post when you get your a## chewing from a salty CMC. and every command is different. Signed HM1

2014-10-16T18:14:16-04:00 2014-10-16T18:14:16-04:00 PO1 Russell Henson 281442

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It has. I've been in since '86!

2014-10-17T03:02:54-04:00 2014-10-17T03:02:54-04:00 SSG Maurice P. 352893

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>how long have you been in the navy,sailors use to be the shit with girls and they could fist fight too hehehehehe what happened...

2014-12-03T10:04:34-05:00 2014-12-03T10:04:34-05:00 PO3 Private RallyPoint Member 352900

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm interested to know if now, six months after your original post <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="246866" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/246866-et-electronics-technician-uss-abraham-lincoln-cvn-72-aircraft-carriers">PO3 Private RallyPoint Member</a> whether you have any different views or do you still think the Navy is soft? You should be close to, if not already, finished with A School by now. Have you made it to the fleet yet?

2014-12-03T10:09:00-05:00 2014-12-03T10:09:00-05:00 PO2 Aubrey Mayberry 352914

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is becoming too PC. With this administration it's all about image. Sailors now days like most people in the civilian world have soft feet, they've never had their toes stepped on

2014-12-03T10:18:36-05:00 2014-12-03T10:18:36-05:00 LTC Paul Labrador 353122

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Okay, first off, what is your definition of "hard" and "soft" when it comes to the Navy and how is it relevant to how you perform your duties? Remember what the job of the majority of sailors are: Fight the ship. The SHIP, not the individual, is the combatant. So in a sense, sailors don't need to be "hard" like an Army or Marine infantrymen needs to be. Yes, discipline needs to be maintained, and competency and proficiency needs to be demanded. But also understand what is the most important traits for your job. I don't expect (outside of SEALs) a sailor who can hump a 100lbs ruck 25miles in 3hrs. I DO expect a sailor who knows the ins and outs of his ship and how to expertly employ it in combat and the determination to keep it in the fight.

2014-12-03T12:42:19-05:00 2014-12-03T12:42:19-05:00 PO2 Private RallyPoint Member 353211

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>First, what do you mean by hard? If you want tacticool like Battlecall: Field of Duty, than feel free to try out for SEALs or SWCC. If you think &quot;A&quot; school is all there is to it, you are wrong. You will learn so much more about your rate and the Navy in general in the fleet. The Navy operates the largest, most complex, most powerful crew served weapons on the face of the earth and sometimes it takes a little more tact to keep its crew running optimally than a lot of screaming and pushups or wall to wall counseling.

2014-12-03T13:29:20-05:00 2014-12-03T13:29:20-05:00 CWO3 Bryan Luciani 354809

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>SA Hogan, Give it some time son. I worked on destroyers as a young buck, did harbor tugs, did some time with the Amphib Seabees, aircraft carriers and finished working alongside my true heroes, the SEALs. Every specialty area (surface, subs, amphib, SpecWar, etc...) in the Navy has it's own culture and with that it's own guidelines for establishing discipline, decorum and level or commitment.<br /><br />Bootcamp has absolutely gotten easier over the years as the "in your face" approach in the 70's and 80's was washed away by the Clinton era "let's not offend anyone" approach. This can be argued many ways but in my opinion erodes the need for immediate response to orders.<br /><br />When I did "business" with the Marine Corps (MPF stuff) I was always awed by their passion and love of the Corps. I recommend once in your life attend a Marine Corps Ball and see what true passion is.<br /><br />Take a look at other areas in the Navy before judging them "soft". The Seabees at ACB-1 were anything but soft, the flight deck of a carrier has zero room for soft, and the SEAL instructors at NSWC carried a quiet level of confidence in their day to day business like I've never seen anywhere. But remember, you wouldn't want overly intense people working in the reactor rooms on a carrier or sub.

2014-12-04T12:00:56-05:00 2014-12-04T12:00:56-05:00 PO1 Omar Alvarez 354837

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I was in during Carter&#39;s time. They took away our rifles and some units marched in tennis shoes. Boot camp was shortened to 6 weeks after I graduated. My parent command had to train us in small arms. All this was done to save money. The commands complained about the garbage coming out of boot camp so the Navy reversed course.

2014-12-04T12:16:22-05:00 2014-12-04T12:16:22-05:00 PO1 Tracy Dreyer 355486

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t think I could handle today&#39;s military... It has just become more of the pussification of the United States. I got out in 92 because it was already starting and I knew I wasn&#39;t going to make it in the new gentler kinder military..<br /><br />The Seabee motto back then was &quot;We Build, We Fight, We Party All Night&quot; Most definitely wouldn&#39;t fly in this new whatever it has become....

2014-12-04T18:42:12-05:00 2014-12-04T18:42:12-05:00 PO2 Corey Ferretti 358339

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would like to say it is your ignorance since your experience is almighty boot camp which was not hard compared to when my family did Navy boot camp back in the 80's. So in a sense you boot was easier then mine and mine was easier then my parents. Like others have stated you can set your personal standard high and keep it. And coming on here with alot of Marines and Soldiers our boot is way easier then their's so yeah they will say our boot is easy because in a sense it was. I hope you have a better perspective of the Navy since you have about 8 months in.

2014-12-06T20:33:58-05:00 2014-12-06T20:33:58-05:00 A1C Private RallyPoint Member 358642

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m sure things will seem more like you expected once you are on the job. That&#39;s what happened for me. Basic and tech school are things people who have been in longer than me tend to laugh at. I&#39;ve even noticed I find myself laughing at how easy trainees have it now and I&#39;ve only been in a year and a half.

2014-12-07T01:13:59-05:00 2014-12-07T01:13:59-05:00 PFC Private RallyPoint Member 414743

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My branch is too worried about eo and sharp and not actual training so...

2015-01-12T19:50:28-05:00 2015-01-12T19:50:28-05:00 LCDR Rabbah Rona Matlow 580267

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is a very open ended question.<br /><br />Non-rated SN have been going to ships for as long as there have been ships. They needed to start with the grunge work; mess-crank, deck crew, whatever. As they gained experience, and started to learn stuff on the ship, they would then be designated a "Striker" and learn the rating they were assigned to. After doing all the work, they then earn the rating, and hopefully a Third Class Crow...<br /><br />There are lots of folks who come in directly (myself included) as E3 because of an advanced technical program (I was a nuc, both enlisted and officer). They get their crow's after "A" school and often make 2nd class within a year or two. That's the nature of the beast in a highly technical Navy.<br /><br />It would help if you could be a little more specific about the issues you're having.<br /><br />And yes, not to be snarky, but if you've only been in a short while, you are considered to be ignorant (which means you don't know anything yet, not that you're clueless, BTW). You do need experience at sea just to learn about what you DON"T KNOW, before you can even think about learning something that you do know.<br /><br />Listen to your Chief and LPO, learn, and don't argue. Get through your Mess Decks or Deck Gang time without arguing and getting into fights, and start learning something on watch and in whatever area you might want to strike.<br /><br />BTW, this means you'll spend lots of sleepless hours on the ship - since you should be living on the ship as a Non-Rate, that shouldn't be a problem. The only way you will move up is less sleep and liberty, more hard work...<br /><br />Good luck...<br />

2015-04-08T19:38:07-04:00 2015-04-08T19:38:07-04:00 SSG (ret) William Martin 630769

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have a friend who is an older gentleman. I know him as "Shipwreck". He is a professional Sailor. He said the Navy used to be something a young person could bust their butt doing and it would build character but nowadays, he says its way to easy. Then a helicopter came and took him away and he yelled some ridiculous saying, "Yo Joe" and then he was gone.

2015-04-30T01:32:36-04:00 2015-04-30T01:32:36-04:00 PO1 Michael Garrett 7468669

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That is an interesting question. How does one define, &quot; soft,&quot; as it relates to the duties of a sailor? Others have mentioned during their careers how tough boot camp was and their experiences when they reported to their first commands. What is considered hazing now was considered something of a &quot;rite of passage&quot; for those who went to the fleet. Much like the Chiefs initiations and crossing the equator ceremonies, sailors were toughened by their experiences. One of the reasons why these initiations occurred was to prepare the seller for harder experiences that they may face. If a sander cannot take being yelled at or cursed at by someone else, what will they do when they actually get to the fleet and face actual stressful situations? I went through the crossing the line ceremony and what was called tacking on the crow. I was willing to be part of the crew and do what it took to be part of a larger group. A sailor has to be mentally tough to understand what is expected of him. Has the Navy started coddling its recruits? Yes! Are they getting solved - yes! Boot camp is meant to weed out those who cannot take a stressful situation. The Navy does not need &quot;Mama&#39;s boys&quot; or &quot;Daddy&#39;s girls,&quot; operating naval equipment if they&#39;re going to break down and cry at the first stressful situation. This is not a place for weak people. <br />The larger picture is much worse. Now the Navy has extended its boot camp training by 2 weeks. Why? It is not to teach true skills that a sailor will need out in the fleet. It is more political indoctrination. So again, our sailors are being deliberately being made soft. This may be politically incorrect say this but I&#39;ve watched the Navy evolve from a force I was proud to serve in to something I&#39;m even discouraging my son from joining.

2022-01-10T23:36:19-05:00 2022-01-10T23:36:19-05:00 PO2 John Drillock 7671426

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yupper!!

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