SPC Private RallyPoint Member 4352957 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Both are in the National Guard (same state) and belong to different units that are several hundred miles away. They met as Specialists and began to date and fell in love before one of them got promoted to E5 Sergeant. <br /><br />Is there a way for these two Soldiers to stay together or would it be a violation of regulations?Both are serious about their relationship and don&#39;t want to end what they have going on because of the Guard. Is the relationship between an E4 and an E5 illegal in the Army? 2019-02-09T01:36:02-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 4352957 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Both are in the National Guard (same state) and belong to different units that are several hundred miles away. They met as Specialists and began to date and fell in love before one of them got promoted to E5 Sergeant. <br /><br />Is there a way for these two Soldiers to stay together or would it be a violation of regulations?Both are serious about their relationship and don&#39;t want to end what they have going on because of the Guard. Is the relationship between an E4 and an E5 illegal in the Army? 2019-02-09T01:36:02-05:00 2019-02-09T01:36:02-05:00 SMSgt Lawrence McCarter 4352973 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No there is nothing wrong at all with that relationship. Both are enlisted, one go promoted the other hasn&#39;t yet and neither supervises the other. They aren&#39;t even in the same unit and even if they were that in itself isn&#39;t even a problem. There are plenty of married couple where both are in the armed Forces, Active, Reserve and guard. If the couple You describe are in love what is wrong with them getting married ? the answer is nothing . Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Feb 9 at 2019 2:04 AM 2019-02-09T02:04:01-05:00 2019-02-09T02:04:01-05:00 PO1 William "Chip" Nagel 4352976 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="1604726" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/1604726-92y-unit-supply-specialist">SPC Private RallyPoint Member</a> I Hope to God Not! That is Called Nature. 1 Rank Up. Don&#39;t Worry. You&#39;re Good! Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Feb 9 at 2019 2:08 AM 2019-02-09T02:08:25-05:00 2019-02-09T02:08:25-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 4353157 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. Enjoy. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2019 6:57 AM 2019-02-09T06:57:28-05:00 2019-02-09T06:57:28-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 4353295 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In the Reserve component, as long as the basis of their relationship was formed outside of the military then they are OK. The DA Pam on fraternization specifically lists this as one of its examples. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2019 8:11 AM 2019-02-09T08:11:31-05:00 2019-02-09T08:11:31-05:00 SFC Bruce Glasco 4353337 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The couple should stay together. Response by SFC Bruce Glasco made Feb 9 at 2019 8:38 AM 2019-02-09T08:38:21-05:00 2019-02-09T08:38:21-05:00 CSM Darieus ZaGara 4353366 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not illegal in any part of the Army. Good luck and thank you for your service. Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Feb 9 at 2019 8:51 AM 2019-02-09T08:51:08-05:00 2019-02-09T08:51:08-05:00 Lt Col Jim Coe 4353540 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Guard has exception to fraternization rules. Applies to behavior off duty. Check with unit first sergeant or JAG. Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Feb 9 at 2019 10:17 AM 2019-02-09T10:17:31-05:00 2019-02-09T10:17:31-05:00 SPC Erich Guenther 4353722 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The Army mirrors the civilian world on this. It is only a problem if one Soldier via unit hierarchy is subordinate to the other.....thats if they are in the same unit and same suborg in that unit typically. Different units nobody cares. It also could be a problem if say the SGT was from a different unit but bossing around folks that worked with his girlfriend but treating his girlfriend differently. Same unit but different Platoons, they should also both be OK. Same unit but same Squad or Platoon......now that is something that will get them into trouble. Because like in the civilian world the line is crossed when the Boyfriend is put in a role that makes the Girlfriend subordinate to them in work tasks and/or direct supervision. Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Feb 9 at 2019 11:11 AM 2019-02-09T11:11:58-05:00 2019-02-09T11:11:58-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 4353932 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Thank you guys! :) Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 9 at 2019 1:00 PM 2019-02-09T13:00:33-05:00 2019-02-09T13:00:33-05:00 Cpl Benjamin Long 4355200 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>From what I remember... if one is in charge of the other, as in chain of command, then yes... Response by Cpl Benjamin Long made Feb 10 at 2019 12:14 AM 2019-02-10T00:14:30-05:00 2019-02-10T00:14:30-05:00 SSG Cory Bacon 4355470 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>According to AR 600-20 4-14b: relationships, (both opposite-gender and same-gender) are prohibited if they: &quot;Compromise, or appear to compromise, the integrity of supervisory authority or the chain of command; -- Cause actual or perceived partiality or unfairness; -- Involve, or appear to involve, the improper use of rank or position for personal gain; -- Are, or are perceived to be, exploitative or coercive in nature; -- Create an actual or clearly predictable adverse impact on discipline, authority, morale or the ability of the command to accomplish its mission.&quot;<br /><br />Generally speaking, this means within the same unit. If for some reason the E5 was directly in the chain of responsibility of the E4 at a BN or higher level, it could be in violation of this, but by the sounds of things, they are good to go. The only potential issue could be if one soldier ever transferred to the same unit as the other, in which case they should make sure the unit is tracking so they aren&#39;t in the same chain. Everything I&#39;ve seen in the past says this is okay, and I can&#39;t find anything directly negating it in the regulations. Response by SSG Cory Bacon made Feb 10 at 2019 7:12 AM 2019-02-10T07:12:17-05:00 2019-02-10T07:12:17-05:00 PFC Private RallyPoint Member 4371998 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No. Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2019 12:27 AM 2019-02-16T00:27:45-05:00 2019-02-16T00:27:45-05:00 2019-02-09T01:36:02-05:00