SSG Private RallyPoint Member 6742154 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So, my dad in his field used to preach the Silent professional. Do your job and let your results and actions speak. Don’t be a spotlight ranger. Or one who brags about their work and only really works when others are around. I’ve been in the Army for about 3 years now, Marines for 5 and since I came in 2010 I’ve noticed a HUGE influx of people using their job for clout and peers at work who will not shut up about what they do but produce half ass results. They seem to get further because they spotlight their half ass work.<br /><br />So my question is, is the Silent professional a thing of the past or do some of you, especially in my peer group, follow that practice? 2021-02-12T21:18:51-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 6742154

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So, my dad in his field used to preach the Silent professional. Do your job and let your results and actions speak. Don’t be a spotlight ranger. Or one who brags about their work and only really works when others are around. I’ve been in the Army for about 3 years now, Marines for 5 and since I came in 2010 I’ve noticed a HUGE influx of people using their job for clout and peers at work who will not shut up about what they do but produce half ass results. They seem to get further because they spotlight their half ass work.<br /><br />So my question is, is the Silent professional a thing of the past or do some of you, especially in my peer group, follow that practice?

2021-02-12T21:18:51-05:00 2021-02-12T21:18:51-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 6742157

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I’ve never been a fan of patting oneself on the back. I completely agree with your dad, let your work speak for itself.

2021-02-12T21:21:29-05:00 2021-02-12T21:21:29-05:00 SSG Thomas Simpson 6742344

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Actions speak louder than words. Judge and be judged by your actions. Stand tall!

2021-02-12T22:43:28-05:00 2021-02-12T22:43:28-05:00 SSG Paul Headlee 6742388

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Don&#39;t lower your standards to compete with douchebags. You will only look foolish. It would be like acknowledging their superiority. You sound like you know how to build something anyone could be proud of. Keep doing what you know is right and the people you impress with that will be the ones worth impressing.

2021-02-12T23:35:26-05:00 2021-02-12T23:35:26-05:00 SSG Brian G. 6742401

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Nope, it is not a thing of the past but you see the spotlight rangers crop up more and more. Sadly we have more than a few here on RP as evidenced when they tout their accomplishments in the course of a discussion. <br /><br />Let your work and what you produce speak for itself.

2021-02-12T23:51:50-05:00 2021-02-12T23:51:50-05:00 SGT Carl Forsman 6742483

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If a tree fall in the woods and no one is around to notice, does it make a sound? Seems like the question, I don&#39;t think you will hear from too many silent professionals. I can talk to you because I got my job done, did my best, and felt like I was paying my way, not a lot of medals, good fun stories but served in a time that nothing was going on. This said because I volunteered ten years of my life that didn&#39;t amount to a chest full of medals. I also didn&#39;t play politics my attitude was it was beneath me as a public servant. I did find other ways in life to feel I did my best and it means something to others and I get that little boost from being the &quot;bad ass&quot; but I have learned in my strolls around the block that being humble, living and believing there are others better than you, keeps you doing your best and not giving two fucks what the peacocks are doing. Really, the reality and understanding that you are only as good as the last thing you attempt should always keep you honest. Remember this my young friend, if this is bothering you,,,, you might be missing out on some of the humble I am referring to, which might say something about your ego. A well tempered &quot;player&quot; knows that the damned always roll in &quot;fame and fortune&quot; till they don&#39;t, then the &quot;steady eddy, dog faced soldier, silent professional&quot; seems to be humble, has what he needs and does not want, is prepared and always ahead, steps over the fodder and keeps moving forward. I want to tell you, good share, I am sorry you are feeling this way, answer is everyone on this platform has felt this way at one time or another even if they are guilty of being those you speak of. There are no limits to the level of humans that are have felt your pain, till you wake up and realize, you are that silent professional. You are no longer employed, you serve others or your country, you wake up and you are you doing what you do. You don&#39;t mentally have to &quot;make&quot; anything. You simply do your thing at what ever times and meet all challenges with a mind set of solving this problem is yours to do. Then you too will be the silent professional. Unfettered by the peacocks that flap around and fan their tail feathers, at the end of the day being a meal for the silent professional.

2021-02-13T01:36:26-05:00 2021-02-13T01:36:26-05:00 SPC Erich Guenther 6742519

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think some of that is money and some weird need for recognition. Take the guy that shot Obama, that had to go public shortly after the fact, resign, and get a book deal and the fact he was competing with someone else claiming the same. Clearly the money they were both after.

2021-02-13T03:20:08-05:00 2021-02-13T03:20:08-05:00 SSgt Russell Stevens 6743319

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It sounds like you&#39;re in the Turkish military. In their country the motto seems to be &quot;If a job is worth doing, it&#39;s only worth doing half-assed.&quot;

2021-02-13T11:39:34-05:00 2021-02-13T11:39:34-05:00 Cpl Private RallyPoint Member 6743699

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The infantry has always been a fascinating community. I have always followed the Silent Professional lifestyle my entire professional life so far. It definitely isn&#39;t dead. Hooah?

2021-02-13T13:25:57-05:00 2021-02-13T13:25:57-05:00 Kiersten Childs 6744956

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree with your dad! That&#39;s actually my tactic. I was medically separated from Navy Bootcamp a week before graduation and I am in the process of going back. I&#39;m actually not planning on saying anything about having been there before unless asked. I just want my high scores and knowing how to do things properly from the start to speak for itself. I got good scores before on all the tests and inspections and my plan is to do better. I will do it silently though. I&#39;m not going to say a word about being a returner once I set foot at RTC. Haha.

2021-02-13T20:47:11-05:00 2021-02-13T20:47:11-05:00 MSgt Keith Hebert 6745042

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree 100% with the silent professional. I retired in 2010 from the guard and noticed that in order to make the rank especially after E-6 you were expected to tout your own horn and put yourself up for medals. Especially true when medals count toward promotion. And at least my bosses over the years both military and civilian had a habit of taking advantage of the guy who works while the guy who does all the volunteer work and parades himself seems to get the breaks. <br />In the end the silent professional will always win because he has the knowledge that he did his best at all times and that always shows up when least expected. <br />People are always watching

2021-02-13T21:11:28-05:00 2021-02-13T21:11:28-05:00 SFC James Cameron 6745129

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Humility is definitely one of those things that is lacking now. I began to notice it more and more on my way out. I think a lot of that stems from the constant need for validation that has been electronically imprinted upon this generation’s psyche. <br />“Opera non verba” (deeds not words) was a phrase I picked up from a Team Sergeant and it stuck for the rest of my career. I felt it had just as much gravity as “Leaders eat last.”

2021-02-13T21:51:29-05:00 2021-02-13T21:51:29-05:00 TSgt Private RallyPoint Member 6745343

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is absolutely dead! NCO&#39;s at least have to spend more and more time generating bullet items. <br />If it does not look good in ink you did not really do it. Has become the new military adage. Getting awards, commendations, letters of positivity are almost required these days. <br /><br />And I hate it. Your peers know if you do your job or don&#39;t.

2021-02-13T23:56:06-05:00 2021-02-13T23:56:06-05:00 SGT Jd Cannon 6745422

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I agree. The squeaky wheel gets the oil because supervisor don’t know their job or the subordinates. We were trained, everyone knows everything, so when one dies the mission doesn’t stop. I noticed that civilians are often looking for promotions instead of looking to learn their job.

2021-02-14T01:12:50-05:00 2021-02-14T01:12:50-05:00 PO2 Mike Vignapiano 6746185

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unfortunately, sometimes you have to bring up what you do &amp;/or did. When competition for advancement is tight, being silent can very easily be overlooked. If the field is small, it might work, but otherwise, you have to. I guess that&#39;s why around eval time we had to complete a &quot;brag sheet&quot;.

2021-02-14T11:28:04-05:00 2021-02-14T11:28:04-05:00 SGT Frank-John Limiero 6748412

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Always was “actions speak louder than words”!

2021-02-15T09:44:06-05:00 2021-02-15T09:44:06-05:00 SSG Eric Blue 6749105

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I was in, I did what I did and let my work speak for itself. Unfortunately, my leadership wanted to promote the 60% soldiers and leave the ones trying to excel off to the side. That chased a lot of great talent out of the services and some of them are now doing amazing things in the civilian sector.

2021-02-15T13:34:13-05:00 2021-02-15T13:34:13-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 6749196

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;m 27, cut from old fabric, and personally believe in the whole &#39;your work will show for itself&#39; mentality. That said, I&#39;ve also personally seen and experienced everything you&#39;ve mentioned, particularly with those who tout themselves constantly and see them advance ahead. So here&#39;s what I&#39;ve learned over the years: It&#39;s important for you to remain humble and a silent professional, but to also know how to market and sell yourself *when* appropriate. It&#39;s one of those things where moderation means everything, and so long as you live your life leaning more on the silent professional side but with the occasional minute into the spotlight, then you&#39;ll go far in life.<br /><br />A good example of this is your experience in the Army. Be a silent professional for 6 months, then get your 5 min of spotlight when going over your NCOER before going right back to silent professional mode. Next time an opportunity shows up, either in the Army or civilian side, you can use your stack of NCOER&#39;s as marketing material to blow anyone else out of the water, and because you&#39;ve actually done the work, your bullets will stand in case anyone decides to challenge your work.

2021-02-15T14:06:04-05:00 2021-02-15T14:06:04-05:00 SSG Greg Miech 6749206

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Had an idea to place a brace on the Kevlar helmet to hold NVGs. Put it in the Army Suggestion Program and XO took credit. Sometimes you need to blow your own whistle. Or just be one of those type that just look okay, show up on time, no initiative, no motivation, stay away from problems and insult those to deflect the attention elsewhere. Happens in military and civilian world.

2021-02-15T14:09:18-05:00 2021-02-15T14:09:18-05:00 CW3 Dick McManus 6749306

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I made up the following questionnaire to weed out candidates who seek your endorsement, but who supported political views exemplified by the Trumpster and Qanon believers.<br />26 incidents of &quot;unwanted sexual contact&quot; by the Trumpster and 43 instances of inappropriate behavior were detailed in the book, All the President&#39;s Women: Donald Trump and the Making of a Predator. <a target="_blank" href="https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?fbclid=IwAR1h75H0hHZhlxGb4eDzmCOf4wYDB2svhBJ-PfPkoXoHm3JRiNiDGPjhmNc#jessica-leeds-1">https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?fbclid=IwAR1h75H0hHZhlxGb4eDzmCOf4wYDB2svhBJ-PfPkoXoHm3JRiNiDGPjhmNc#jessica-leeds-1</a><br /><br /><br />Former White House chief of staff, retired Marine Gen. John Kelly, has told friends that President Donald Trump &quot;is the most flawed person&quot; he&#39;s ever known. Trump can&#39;t stand to hear the Truth! He lies, steals &amp; cheats! He has 2000+ court cases awaiting him as a defendant! His dishonesty is the transactional nature of every relationship. <br /><br /><br /> Where do you stand on these issues? <br />And of course, you and candidates should feel free to explain their answer(s). And even refusing to answer some questions may tell us a lot about the candidate.<br />----------------------------------------------------------------------- <br />Do you believe we are will never run out of CHEAP oil and natural gas? <br /> <br />Do you believe scientists are wrong about global warming being a very serious threat and the cause is not man-made?<br /> <br />Do you believe the population growth is nothing to worry about?<br /> <br />Do you believe only three bullets were fired at President Kennedy and Lee Oswald fired all three?<br /> <br />Do you believe people have actually seen an alien being or a space ship (aka UFOs from out-space); notwithstanding that people have seen strange things/lights in the sky that are unexplained? <br /> <br />Do you believe that the US government has recovered parts of an alien out-space craft, that aliens brought technology to earth and that is the reason we humans now have it?<br /> <br /> Do you believe human civilizations in the past gained advanced technologically that science has only discovered in the past 100 years?<br /> <br /> Do you believe that Nikola Tesla invented unlimited, free energy and the energy producing, companies are keeping it secret?<br /> <br /> Do you believe that people can somehow predict the future, communicate with dead people, and/or read other people&#39;s thoughts?<br /> <br /> Do you believe that there may be real ghosts and demons that make people crazy, aka “demonic possessed”?<br /><br />Do you believe that the US did not really land a man on the moon and/or 12 Americans did not really walked on the moon?<br /> <br /> Do you believe our elections can be faked or hacked even if the exit polls results agree statistically with the election results? <br /> <br />Are you troubled by the fact that Nancy Pelosi did not publically speak up after she learned in about 30 private briefings that Bush and the boys were planning to use torture?<br /> <br />Do you believe the Democratic led Congress was wrong for not prosecuting of Bush et al for war crimes, for allowing Gina Haspel to become CIA Director, and for not prosecuting CIA officer Jose Rodriguez for destroying the video tapes of CIA torture? <br />Are you troubled about all the past presidents who have made war on other nations without a Congressional declaration for war and Obama doing drone attacks (aka a war on terrorism)?<br />Do you believe economic sanctions placed on other nations by presidents should require a Congressional declaration of war by sanctions? <br />Do you believe a President Trump should have gotten a Congressional declaration to sell weapons to nations like Saudi Arabia given their war against Yemen and after they killed a US journalist? <br /> Do you believe on 9/11 that all three of the World Trade Center buildings totally collapsed to ground level only due to airplanes and office fires?<br /> <br /> Do you believe it is freedom of speech for corporations to give money to candidates? <br /> <br />Do you believe that the holocaust of the Jews did not happen?<br /> <br />Do you believe that our national income tax is unconstitutional?<br /> <br />Do you believe that low levels of fluoride used to prevent tooth decay in our drinking water, is poisoning people? <br /> <br />Do you believe vaccines cause autism?<br /> <br />Do you believe depleted uranium weapons used by the US military did not harm civilians during the wars and long after the wars end?<br /> <br />Do you agree we are in a war on science?<br /><br />Do you believe we need a new law called “assessor to a pandemic” to punish sheriffs who violates the order of our Governor for social distancing and etc? <br /><br /> Do you believe we need a new law authorizing the Secretary of Defense and/or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to protect the Congress and US Supreme Court Justices from a rioting mob if the President does not act? <br /><br />Shouldn&#39;t we be asking every candidate these questions, even candidates for judge? <br /> <br />What other questions do suggest we should be asking? <br /> <br /> <br />My answers are all NO except for: <br /><br />Are you troubled by the fact that Nancy Pelosi speak up publicly after she was briefed in about 30 private briefings that Bush and the boys were planning to use torture. YES<br /><br />Do you believe the Democratic led Congress was wrong for not prosecuting of Bush et al for war crimes, for allowing Gina Haspel to become CIA Director, and for not prosecuting CIA officer Jose Rodriguez for destroying the video tapes of CIA torture? YES<br /><br />Are you troubled about all the past presidents who have made war on other nations without a declaration for war by Congress or by Obama’s drone attacks, aka war on terrorism? YES<br />Do you believe economic sanctions placed on another nations by presidents need to require a declaration of war by sanctions by Congress? YES<br /><br />Do you believe a President Trump should have gotten a Congressional “declaration to sell weapons” to nations like Saudi Arabia due to their war against Yemen and after it killed a US journalist? YES<br /> <br />Do you agree we are in a war on science? YES<br />Do you believe we need a new law called “assessor to a pandemic” to punish sheriffs who violate the orders of our Governor? YES<br /><br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br /><br />Stay safe, <br />Richard McManus <br />Chief Warrant Officer-3/counterintelligence special agent (more like an FBI agent than CIA officer) and combat paramedic/LPN, Vietnam US Army retired, BS psychology and nursing, ,former 911 telephone guy Seattle police department and King County Police officer, Everett, WA <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default"> <div class="pta-link-card-picture"> <img src="https://d26horl2n8pviu.cloudfront.net/link_data_pictures/images/000/606/801/qrc/5d0d299c0a28490f7878adfb?1613418789"> </div> <div class="pta-link-card-content"> <p class="pta-link-card-title"> <a target="blank" href="https://www.businessinsider.com/women-accused-trump-sexual-misconduct-list-2017-12?fbclid=IwAR1h75H0hHZhlxGb4eDzmCOf4wYDB2svhBJ-PfPkoXoHm3JRiNiDGPjhmNc#jessica-leeds-1">The 26 women who have accused Trump of sexual misconduct</a> </p> <p class="pta-link-card-description">Here are all of the allegations of sexual misconduct made against President Donald Trump, nearly all of which he has denied.</p> </div> <div class="clearfix"></div> </div>

2021-02-15T14:54:37-05:00 2021-02-15T14:54:37-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 6750212

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It’s not dead. It’s the reason that I got as far as I did honestly. (Ironic I say that on a post about being a silent professional lol. I promise I don’t mean it like that.) It was a fine mixture of “roger” and doing what was expected and the other part is just people NOT doing this. I didn’t too much that was special. Heck, my most “qualifying” and testimonial things in my career are really things like deployment that I had no control one way or another over. To be honest, at least in the Scout world, everyone else will make you look good because us scouts tend to have one of two things: attitude issues or just generally lacking in common sense/are so thick headed you have to beat a concept in there for it to stick. For those like me who are just normal guys who want to come to work and get shit done and have halfway decent common sense, we thrive. <br /><br />Yeah some are cocky and they get a little further by gloating, throwing others under the bus to look better etc. BUT those are also the guys who break the team apart and ultimately make enemies with the rest of the team. It usually catches up once his leaders start catching on and that usually only takes one field problem or two.

2021-02-15T20:42:32-05:00 2021-02-15T20:42:32-05:00 MAJ Byron Oyler 6750574

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My NCO in AFJROTC thirty years ago taught me it did not matter the rank on your sleeve but the quality of job you do. I did not focus on what I needed to do to become a LTC because being a good ICU nurse was more important. I would like to think I learned a lot from him as I retire as a major.

2021-02-16T00:12:28-05:00 2021-02-16T00:12:28-05:00 SGT Memfus Hennasee 6803357

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That&#39;s cool and that was me but I learned, a closed mouth don&#39;t get fed. Sometimes it&#39;s ok to let them know or someone else will take credit for what you did.

2021-03-07T14:41:35-05:00 2021-03-07T14:41:35-05:00 2021-02-12T21:18:51-05:00