Is there a guideline for how many hours a soldier can be on extra duty per day (e.g. # of hours on a duty day, non-duty day, etc.)?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2016 01:09:07 -0400

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2016 1:13 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2016 01:13:32 -0400

25th Infantry Division just put out a new memo stating when the hours for extra duty are to take place, as for the amount of hours a soldier must perform extra duty per day I believe is under AR 27-10

Response by MSG David Johnson made May 27 at 2016 1:14 AM

MSG David Johnson — Fri, 27 May 2016 01:14:43 -0400

I think that would be covered under UCMJ manual. Under punishment, other than that I don't know where you get the answer. You could also contact the local JAG office, I vaguely remember something about 6-8 hours rest per 24 hour period but that may have just been talk.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2016 1:18 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2016 01:18:17 -0400

I have looked through ar 27-10 I could not find anything about hours only how many days are authorized which I am already tracking

Response by SSG William Jones made May 27 at 2016 1:24 AM

SSG William Jones — Fri, 27 May 2016 01:24:40 -0400

Maybe you can plug enough keywords in Google that you may find it. SSG Private RallyPoint Member

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2016 1:26 AM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2016 01:26:47 -0400

AR 27-10
3-19 Rules and Limitations
b.(5) Extra duties. Extra duties may be required to be performed at anytime and, within the duration of the punishment, for any length of time.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2016 1:33 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2016 01:33:33 -0400

"performed at anytime" and "any length of time" so a Leader must select wisely. ArmyFit educates us about getting appropriate sleep. Too much work over too long a time can lead to burnout.

Response by SPC Kenneth Koerperich made May 27 at 2016 2:32 AM

SPC Kenneth Koerperich — Fri, 27 May 2016 02:32:50 -0400

20 hours....Only required to give you 4 hours rest & it doesn't have to be consecutively...

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made May 27 at 2016 2:42 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Fri, 27 May 2016 02:42:14 -0400

Never saw a G.I. punch a time clock.

Response by SPC Jimmy Bowling made May 27 at 2016 4:09 AM

SPC Jimmy Bowling — Fri, 27 May 2016 04:09:47 -0400

As far as I can remember there is not a set number or guideline. It was usually left up to whoever was placed in charge over the unfortunate soldier. Usually that would have been the Plt. Sgt. And Squad leader during the day and the CQ at the end of the day. The soldier usually had to pray that those in charge where not hardcore.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2016 4:30 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2016 04:30:44 -0400

Well I think you have enough answers. But you should have a command policy letter at some level (Company-CORP) within your chain of command that covers this. If you don't have it, then your rank suggest that "you know" everything in the Army doesn't have an exact black and white answer. They leave room for you to climb out of a hole or hang yourself by the same rope. Be smart and make an informed decision. When you can't make a proper decision is when you go seek advice or guidance from your chain of concern. I've pulled more then my fare share of extra dutie from all levels of UCMJ and as corrective training over my first four years in. I'll tell you to be fare and let it be a learning tool for your soldiers as it is designed for. They'll respect you for it and less chances of being caught up in false claims (Soldiers be having IG on speed dial). But in the end you have your backbone (chain of concern), policy letters, Jag and "Regulations" that govern how you conduct extra dutie. Put it to use and see what happens.

Response by SSG Leo Bell made May 27 at 2016 6:04 AM

SSG Leo Bell — Fri, 27 May 2016 06:04:46 -0400

That's a very good question. I know during basic we would pull extra duty once or twice during basic. The old standard was you only need four hours of rest in twenty four hour period. I don't know if that's still effect. I have never pulled extra duty besides basic. I know most of the people I had that did extra duty were on article 15 duty. You could always tell who was on that by the people in uniforms on the weekend or late in the afternoon after duty hours.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made May 27 at 2016 8:46 AM

Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS — Fri, 27 May 2016 08:46:41 -0400

The answer depends on how you are approaching the issue.

If you are asking if there is a mandated sleep schedule (downtime), like mandatory crew rest or maximum flight time per week, there are regulations that apply to that. If you are asking if there are maximum work hours per week, it gets much more vague because operational requirements are fluid.

If we are speaking about Punishment or Corrective action, the UCMJ comes into play and then the type of Duty as well and the number of hours are strictly defined in the proceedings.

In essence, how the issue is approached can affect the outcome. Additionally, things can change if we are talking about individuals vs. groups. If the unit stays until midnight vs. keep PFC Benotz until midnight.... there's a huge difference (perceptually).

Response by SFC J Fullerton made May 27 at 2016 12:11 PM

SFC J Fullerton — Fri, 27 May 2016 12:11:20 -0400

As far as I know, the number of hours is dictated by the commander who imposed the punishment, often delegated down to the 1SG. From what I remember, it was usually 4 hours, beginning 1 hour after the unit was released for the day. Eg; unit released at 1700, 1 hour for chow, report for ED at 1800, end at 2200. CQ or SD would inspect the work before releasing. If ED tasks were not satisfactory or incomplete, they were not released until it was. Also, back in the day, some 1SG's and CSM's dictated that ED was performed in full battle rattle, but that went away sometime in the '90's. Weekends were 12 hrs (8 hour duty day + 4 hours ED). That is just an example, I don't think it's in the reg, just covered by unit policy/cdr's discretion.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2016 1:36 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2016 13:36:14 -0400

No as long as it doesn't carry on to the next day. They can do extra duty from the time they get off until 2359 of the current day, or from prescribed time of showing up until 2359

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made May 27 at 2016 3:40 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Fri, 27 May 2016 15:40:49 -0400

There is no restriction on the amount of time. However punishment cannot be cruel and unusual, nor can it be demeaning. Like a recent post with a soldier mopping up a parking lot (motor pool) in the rain. You must also use caution when it pertains to sleep depravation which also lends to cuel and unusual. A best practice is to try to fit the crime or have the service member in question perform those menial tasks during extra duty that would otherwise have to be done through a detail during normal hours.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2016 9:01 PM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 27 May 2016 21:01:15 -0400

I have usually seen kids stay after work late to clean the squadron buildings for a few hours followed dorm detail for the rest of the night. On weekends they were given base cleanup details. I think the idea was to loosely take enough of their free time away when they would rather be doing something else like playing X-box in their room.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 29 at 2016 10:44 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 29 May 2016 22:44:11 -0400

In two units I was in, it was either 23:00 or 0:00 (depending on my unit at the time) that the extra duty got off. Then they would be required to be up the usual time in the morning. As far as I know there is no regulation about it.

Response by SSG Jason Trammell made Dec 24 at 2018 12:04 PM

SSG Jason Trammell — Mon, 24 Dec 2018 12:04:37 -0500

No...
When I received A Field Grade AR15 when I was stationed in Germany, I received 45/45 for getting into a fight with 3 germans nationals in Garmisch, Germany, one didnt fair to well. My day started at 0545 I got off duty from the motor pool at 1700, was allowed 30 mins to eat chow and had to report to Staff duty by 1730, luckily I lived on a small Kaserne/post. My day ended whenever Battalion was completely cleaned from top to bottom...3 story building or Midnite, which ever came first, luckily I worked from the time I got there till i was done, never was dogged by SDNCO, it was a long 45days, but, I got it done. On the weekends pretty much raked leaves, from 0700 to 2200hrs just depended on Staff duty.

Response by SPC Jimmy Bowling made Jan 4 at 2019 8:30 AM

SPC Jimmy Bowling — Fri, 04 Jan 2019 08:30:07 -0500

During the time in which I served in the Army, the "HMFIC's", lol, were only required to give Service Members under their command 4 hours of rest in a 24 hour period. He could basically have the Service Members do absolutely anything during the other 20 hours to ensure that the daily operations of the Unit were met. One thing all Service Members need to understand is that they are on duty 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year as soon as you raise your hand and take the oath and sign your name on the line.