Is there a policy on sleep before airborne operations?

SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 06:14:06 -0500

I have IMC scheduled one afternoon, the jump the next afternoon, and in between is a detail that starts at 2130, and I'd imagine it goes all night. I've been told I do have to go to PT at 0600 the morning of IMC.
This seems unsafe, to me, and I've been told when jumping in TRADOC that there was such a policy, but I'm not sure if it's Army-wide.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2018 6:41 AM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 06:41:28 -0500

You can see if you can find anything in here....TRADOC Regulation 350-6 http://www.tradoc.army.mil/tpubs/regs/tr350-6.pdf

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Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2018 7:29 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 07:29:03 -0500

That's what's expected from a paratrooper, to run faster and further, to carry more weight, and to fight harder. Black hat and the school house know what they are doing. Wait until you get to the 82d and you will see what jump week is about.

Response by SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA made Jan 23 at 2018 7:44 AM

SPC Elijah J. Henry, MBA — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 07:44:31 -0500

Thanks, I'm looking for a policy for outside of TRADOC.

Response by SSG Robert Webster made Jan 23 at 2018 8:46 AM

SSG Robert Webster — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 08:46:06 -0500

According to the information that I have been able to gather, what you are looking for is the US Army Airborne Standard Operating Procedures (ASOP). It was supposed to be completed and published in 2017. This publication is derived from the 82nd Airborne Division Airborne Standard Operating Procedures (ASOP), Edition X. A copy of which can be obtained from - https://www.us.army.mil/suite/doc/46552544

You may want to address this question to LTC Private RallyPoint Member who is probably one of the best current SMEs on this type of question.

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2018 3:07 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 15:07:42 -0500

You get lots of sleep in the harness sitting around and waiting for the birds to arrive.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2018 3:11 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 15:11:52 -0500

What does the DRAW / CRM say about sleep/rest?

Response by SGT Mark Halmrast made Jan 23 at 2018 5:53 PM

SGT Mark Halmrast — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 17:53:03 -0500

Three things wrong with this question:
- concerned about being tired
- day jump
- it was asked

As a former airborne grunt and NCO, that's what came to mind.

Response by SFC Chris Horvath made Jan 23 at 2018 9:43 PM

SFC Chris Horvath — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 21:43:39 -0500

I’m not trying to sound like a dick, but fuck it. Look man the big issue it seems to me is you are concern only about your own personal comfort. You join the army son, you are going to be expected to work for long periods without sleep. What do you think your timeline will be like if you ever have to make a combat jump. You think the men of easy company had it any better. Sometimes shit will suck, but you suck it up and drive on. I have done numerous watches, CQ and whatever else and had to go to training or on a mission that next morning that is just what it is. If it was a safety issue is could have come up in a risk assessment. If you feel it is a true concern you should bring it up to your COC not a social media site. I could go on with this but I’m sure others will add to it. Your infantry and airborne act like it go hard, sleep is a crutch and what ever else moto shit you need to go on.

Response by SN Greg Wright made Jan 23 at 2018 11:56 PM

SN Greg Wright — Tue, 23 Jan 2018 23:56:40 -0500

Good thing you didn't join the Navy. Sailors regularly and systemically deal with very little sleep. So much so that sometimes it gets them killed. (The recent collisions). One night of sleep deprivation? Come on man.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2018 4:49 AM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Jan 2018 04:49:24 -0500

Build skills, then go SF, 12 men is a "mass tactical" jump and everybody has good jumpment.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 24 at 2018 11:24 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 24 Jan 2018 11:24:20 -0500

What's the ASOP say?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Jan 24 at 2018 3:05 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:05:32 -0500

You are in the Deuce, and worrying about sleep? What is IMC. Is it going to take up to 2130? CHrist sakes 4 hours of sleep is plenty. You really don't want me putting down here what I'm thinking. Soldier on

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 25 at 2018 4:39 PM

SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 16:39:28 -0500

Sounds unsafe? Choose a different profession.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 26 at 2018 5:36 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:36:33 -0500

Embrace the suck. Sleep is for the weak. And the 82nd will rob you of sleep ten fold especially when you do a JOAX- jump in and play army for a week or more with non stop training.

Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2022 1:11 PM

LCDR Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 03 Feb 2022 13:11:52 -0500

SPC with an MBA seems to be the problem. You are thinking too much. Sleep is a comfort but you are training for times with no comfort. Train like you will fight SPC.