Is there a policy or procedure to award an MOS based on civilian education (example: diesel certification for 91B)?

2016-08-17T13:34:32-04:00

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 1:36 PM

2016-08-17T13:36:56-04:00

Medics can skip part of AIT training if they have EMT or paramedic certification. At least that was the case when I went to AIT.

Response by SGM Barry Kindred made Aug 17 at 2016 1:40 PM

2016-08-17T13:40:49-04:00

There used to be but required on the job trading at an MOS producing school.
Certain skill sets like construction trades, legal, medical,...........
It should still remain imho.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 1:46 PM

2016-08-17T13:46:17-04:00

As a 12b, I deployed with a vertical construction company. On deployment, I trained 12w (carpentry and masonry specialist) and 12r (electrician) soldiers on their jobs, as well as performed them myself because of my civilian experience. I really hoped the commander would award me one or both MOSs, but didn't expect it, and didn't get either.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Aug 17 at 2016 2:09 PM

2016-08-17T14:09:52-04:00

In general NO, but there have been programs for a specific career field like Medical Doctor that can allow the civilian training and certs to accepted in lieu of training while in the military already when need far outpaced availability. Id bet something like pilots of the off the shelf commercial AC used by military would be another likley possibility of a direct commission and award of a career field. and it would not surprise me to find out there was a like program when needed for an obscure enlisted MOS that allowed a civilian training to be used in place of the military equivalent...but I dont know of one specifically.
Construction trades would be a likley candidate for that as operating a backhoe is the same no matter what the uniform you're wearing, same as swinging framing hammer or operating a skill saw. But again in the modern army im not aware of any opportunities.
Recruiters, what say you? This is your lane

Response by SGT Edward Wilcox made Aug 17 at 2016 2:15 PM

2016-08-17T14:15:39-04:00

There will always be an aspect of the job that is specifically military, so it would be very difficult to award an MOS strictly on civilian experience and education, with no knowledge of the military part.

Response by SFC J Fullerton made Aug 17 at 2016 2:18 PM

2016-08-17T14:18:19-04:00

Yes sir, it is called the Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program (ACASP). AR 601-210 covers it. This applies to new recruits enlisting. There are specific requirements for each MOS that is applicable. 91B is one. Most require a combination of formal training from an accredited institution plus job experience, some just the training. In most cases, they do not attend AIT but have to go through a certification procedure. Depends on MOS, but advanced pay grades do apply. Ie, enter as E3 and automatic advancement to E4 after certification. You can find more info on ACASP at goarmy.com

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 2:20 PM

2016-08-17T14:20:26-04:00

I built houses with my father for years before I attending AIT for carpentry/masonary specialist, but back then we still had to train on demolition and land mines, they don't do that anymore so I would have breezed thru the construction portion now. I actually knew things the instructors did not know, so I got to enlighten them on a few aspects.

Response by SFC Ronnie Simonsen made Aug 17 at 2016 3:12 PM

2016-08-17T15:12:43-04:00

I was in recruiting command for 14 years and enlisted several under ACASP, Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program. Details can be found in AR 601-210 and DA PAM 611-21(MOS specific requirements). Some will allow for "skipping" all of AIT or portions of AIT. Depends on the MOS. Usually, there is an education, certification, experience in civilian job or a combination. 91B is one of the MOS's but there are too many in the program for me to list all of them. Most are vocational trade type jobs and the rest are in the medical field.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 3:34 PM

2016-08-17T15:34:15-04:00

There is the ACASP (Army Civilian Aquired Skills Program)
http://www.army-portal.com/jobs/acasp.html

Army-Portal.com - Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program ACASP

Many enlisted MOSs qualify for the Army Civilian Acquired Skills Program (known as ACASP). Learn if you qualify for ACASP and what benefits you will receive.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 17 at 2016 5:02 PM

2016-08-17T17:02:21-04:00

I knew a few that traded what was then called "Skills for Stripes." If they came in with a certain set of skills and all the certs to go with a particular MOS, then all they had to do was Basic and call it good. A welder in my Engineer unit (58th CEC) that did that, along with a medic I knew in Germany.

Response by SFC George Smith made Aug 17 at 2016 7:06 PM

2016-08-17T19:06:33-04:00

91-B used to be medics...

Response by LTC Tim Ellis made Aug 18 at 2016 2:18 PM

2016-08-18T14:18:25-04:00

Thanks again for the responses. I found the info I needed to pass on to the Soldier.

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Jan 19 at 2018 7:44 PM

2018-01-19T19:44:37-05:00

There used to a program referred to as Civilian Acquired Skills. As I recall for the NG there was a NG regulation that explained the process. What we did with a soldier is they brought in their Work History, education, and what other supporting documents. Submitted a 4187, requesting the soldier pick up MOS X, as a secondary MOS. Then once Awarded we put them in the slot that was vacant with the newly reassigned MOS and made that the primary.