Posted on Dec 19, 2019
Is there a policy or regulation that explains who has authority in a staff section, when it comes to an Officer vs. GS Civilian?
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In a USAR Command, an AGR (full time) Major is the senior officer in the Command's G-1.
A GS-11 Civilian in the G-1 will "release the Soldiers for the day," without speaking to the Major. When asked by the Major why, the GS-11 stated they were in charge of the Soldiers, not the Major... to which the issue became escalated. The Major reached out to me for input, but it's been awhile since I've been in that realm. Appreciate all input, especially Policy or Regulations, that will help in this matter. Thanks!
A GS-11 Civilian in the G-1 will "release the Soldiers for the day," without speaking to the Major. When asked by the Major why, the GS-11 stated they were in charge of the Soldiers, not the Major... to which the issue became escalated. The Major reached out to me for input, but it's been awhile since I've been in that realm. Appreciate all input, especially Policy or Regulations, that will help in this matter. Thanks!
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Generally, there is not direct correlation between GS and Military. There is a tables the approximate but even then it really depends on position. For instance in my office we have had GS12s supervise MAJs and vice versa over the years. I guess best answer in most cases in who is the rater for the soliders. If the GS11 rates the soldiers, then the MAJ should hold the GS11s feet to the fire for completing the mission but the GS11 should determine the Solider's work hours.
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LTC Mark Leighton
Gary, appreciate the input. I think the Command (or the MAJ) will need to do a local/internal policy, to keep everyone honest. Thanks!
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MSG Gary Eckert
LTC Mark Leighton More important than the TDA is the GS11s position description. It will identify what level supervisor the Civilian is. If he is a level 2 supervision, he is being paid to supervise. If he is a level 4 supervisor, he is being paid to do G1 work and supervise up to 25 percent of the time. There are lower level such a team lead that have less supervisory time. His supervisor should have a copy of his PD or can look it up on CPOL. Before the Command establishes a policy the removes the Soldiers from his supervision someone needs to determine his supervisor responsibilities.
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LTC Mark Leighton
Ah, excellent point. I tend to forget (as a rookie GS civilian) that some slots are coded as "Superivsory." Hooah!
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My last unit was the equivalent to a division level unit but in the USAR. There was an O6 which was the actual G1 and a GS-something. The GSer was there for the day to day stuff while the O6 was was the actual G1. The O6 was also the go to war position where the GSer was for rear operations. You would have to refer to the MTOE/TDA to find out.
You cannot go by rating schemes in USAR as I have seen them put together on the fly and not really relate to the MTOE/TDA. Right or wrong, it is what it is.
You cannot go by rating schemes in USAR as I have seen them put together on the fly and not really relate to the MTOE/TDA. Right or wrong, it is what it is.
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Having worked in offices with all civilians, it depends.
Who rates who? Does the 11 rate the Soldiers? Who rates the 11? Who rates the MAJ and Who does the MAJ rate?
Most likely this isn't cut and dry or this wouldn't be an issue. This will continue to be a problem if it isn't rectified with the GS-11s Supervisor. Roles and responsibilities need to be clearly defined by the command.
Who rates who? Does the 11 rate the Soldiers? Who rates the 11? Who rates the MAJ and Who does the MAJ rate?
Most likely this isn't cut and dry or this wouldn't be an issue. This will continue to be a problem if it isn't rectified with the GS-11s Supervisor. Roles and responsibilities need to be clearly defined by the command.
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LTC (Join to see)
An Army Civilian can do almost anything a Soldier can do and there are all sorts of task organizations that could exist. While generally a GS 11 would be lower ranking than a Major that doesn't mean that the office is organized that way and it doesn't mean the Major can tell him what to do. When everyone has a mutual understanding of their roles everything works better.
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