Is there a requirement for at least one bullet to be in every block of page 2 of the NCOER for a change of rater?

SSG Dan McIntosh — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:17:17 -0500

Question kind of says it all.

I have looked in the regulation and can not find anywhere where it is mandatory to put at least one bullet per block on page 2 of the NCOER.

If anyone can point me in the right direction, that would be most helpful and greatful.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 9:45 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:45:17 -0500

DA Pam 623-3 Table 3-4, p. 81:

"NCOER part IV:
blocks b through f-Values/NCO Responsibilities
Action required:
The rater will assess each responsibility listed and enter at least one bullet to justify box check."

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 9:50 AM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 09:50:14 -0500

AR635-205 Section 3-2, para. f.
Rating officials must prepare complete, accurate, and fully-considered evaluation reports. This responsibility is vital to the long-range success of the Army’s missions. With due regard to the NCO’s current grade, experience, and military schooling, evaluations should cover failures as well as achievements. However, evaluations will not normally be based on isolated minor incidents.

To me, I'd read "complete" to say "yes, you should complete all blocks". Even if it is NOT required, why would you not? Especially if you are looking to get your Soldier promoted. Surely over the course of 1 year you can find one positive or negative thing to say at a minimum of how a Soldier has demonstrated the NCO values. NOT putting anything in poses two questions to me when I read them. 1.) Did the NCO not give a shit? or 2.) Was this guy a dirtbag and the rater is not wanting to say it??? In which case...that would also reflect poorly on you as an NCO for failing to be an objective leader.

I can't think of a reason why I wouldn't be able to say SOMETHING on an NCOER for every bullet...even it is just a "Meets Standard" expectation. I've also never heard of an NCOER not having these bullets. Granted...I've only rated 20-30 NCOs and so I'm not an expert, but I think it would reflect poorly on the rater as well as the Soldier being rated....potentially submarining their career if they are due up for promotion soon.
v/r,
CPT Butler

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 11:16 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Feb 2015 23:16:13 -0500

The DA PAM as mentioned is a good resource for assistance but when it comes to proving you point I would utilize the regulation AR 623-3.

Remember as CPT Private RallyPoint Member stated the individual could try to come after you. He also used a regulation to prove a point not a PAM.

If said NCO tries to contest the evaluation only regulations will be utilized for a Commanders Inquiry.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2015 7:38 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 17 Feb 2015 19:38:35 -0500

As others have mentioned make sure that you CYA with paperwork. Because this is a COR, refer to counseling statements from previous rater, as well as the new one I'm sure you did when taking over as rater. As you know, if you have counseled him on your expectations and recognize that those are not being met, then you can validate any poor bullets on the NCOER.

All NCOs are held to a standard that is reiterated by the common core values as well as the NCO Creed. Those can always be referred to when an NCO does not meet expectations.