Is there a way I can limit my sit-ups and still go to BLC (due to an old injury)?

2017-05-05T08:12:24-04:00

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2017 8:15 AM

2017-05-05T08:15:32-04:00

The question is, is this a permanent profile or temp. I don't think you can attend NCOES schools on a temp unless they have changed that.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2017 8:24 AM

2017-05-05T08:24:27-04:00

I believe SSG Private RallyPoint Member hit the nail on the head here. To my knowledge you can not go while on a temp profile. However, if you just worried about cranking out a TON of sit ups while there, it will likely not happen. I am about 90% certain the only sit ups I did was during the APFT. I would recommend either getting on a permanent profile if applicable. Otherwise your life Kay be out of luck at the current time.

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made May 5 at 2017 8:33 AM

2017-05-05T08:33:28-04:00

NCOES attendance can happen with a Temp profile and an exception I saw ONE.....in 6 years.

SM had skin cancer removed from his back, had a Temp profile of no exposure to sunlight in the affected area, as no part of the POI required that exposure, the profile in no way limited his physical abilities otherwise he was allowed to attend. This was a SM that was fighting to deploy with his unit the following month. Fighting to do his follow up MED appointments in country by the DIV surgeon vice staying home on Rear D and leaving the unit short...IOW, this was a SM doing everything right, Mission first, Selfless service , dedication, honor ....It was easy to go to bat for him...and it was tough to turn him down..

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made May 5 at 2017 8:40 AM

2017-05-05T08:40:54-04:00

A reposted response I made to the same general question some time ago...

"350-1 only tells some of the story... Look up the course you’re interested in, in ATTRS . Look at the prereqs there, look at the requirements there. If you are not excluded by what you see in txt, send an email to the POC listed and ask the direct question, leave no doubt at what you’re asking. Fewer words are better and ask only the one question. Be brief, concise, clear and complete. Wait semi patiently for a response, if you don't get one in 7-10 business days, send the same email again....if you don't get a response inside a week, call, try to "find" the POC already emailed, and thanking them for their time and apologizing for having what must be the wrong email address, as you had sent the question twice.. You want that person or another associate to help, so now is not the time to chastise for not responding to your email.

All that said.... a lot of years sending folks to school, several years running the 1CD schools program ..... SM with temp profiles did not go to resident schools... Not saying it's not possible, just was never the case in a lot of years and thousands sent."

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2017 9:46 AM

2017-05-05T09:46:10-04:00

NOCES are no longer accepting Students with Temp profiles.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made May 5 at 2017 1:46 PM

2017-05-05T13:46:49-04:00

AR 350-1 published 2014:
3–14. Physical profiles
a. Profiles. Soldiers with medical profiles due to operational deployment will be permitted by their immediate commanders to attend appropriate courses (to include PME) within the guidelines of their profile. Soldiers must arrive at the aforementioned courses of instruction with a copy of their current profile and a memorandum signed by their commander stating the profile is a result of injuries sustained due to operational deployment.
b. Soldiers with temporary profiles that are not a result of operational deployment and prevent full participation in a course will be removed or deferred from school attendance consideration by their immediate commander until the temporary profile is removed.
c. Soldiers with a permanent designator of “2” in the physical profile must include a copy of DA Form 3349 (Physical Profile) as part of the course application. They will be eligible to attend courses (to include PME) and train within the limits of their profile provided they can meet course graduation requirements. Soldiers with a permanent designator of “3” or “4” in their physical profile must include a copy of DA Form 3349 and the results of their MOS Administrative Retention Review as part of the course application.
d. Soldiers who have been before an MOS Administrative Retention Review and retained in their MOS or reclassified into another MOS are eligible to attend appropriate courses (to include PME) and train within the limits of their physical profile (DA Form 3349). Commandants will not disenroll nor deny enrollment of Soldiers into the training based on physical limiting conditions on their physical profile in accordance with MOS Administrative Retention Review adjudication.
e. Soldiers retained through the Continuation on Active Duty/Continuation on Active Reserve process are eligible to attend courses (to include PME) and train within the limits of their physical profile (DA Form 3349).
f. Soldiers receiving temporary or permanent physical profile limitations after starting resident training courses will be evaluated by school commandants and commanders for continued enrollment. Soldiers who:
(1) Have met, or will be able to meet graduation requirements, will continue to be trained within the limits of their profile.
(2) Are unable to meet graduation requirements will return to their unit or proceed to their PCS unit, and may, if eligible, be enrolled in a later course.

Right here is key: "Soldiers with temporary profiles that are not a result of operational deployment and prevent full participation in a course will be removed or deferred from school attendance consideration by their immediate commander until the temporary profile is removed."

If you have some kind of policy letter or anything else from the school or TRADOC that states otherwise since 2014 post it. Since at least 2012 you haven't been able to go on a temporary profile. They didn't even start doing the APFT until like 2013 or 2014. When I went to ALC in 2012 there wasn't an APFT during the class. They got rid of that for a few years during the height of Iraq and Afghanistan. I just had to do one within 30 days of my class date.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made May 12 at 2017 2:01 PM

2017-05-12T14:01:57-04:00

SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member I'm not sure about the Fort Carson NCO Academy, but at the NCO Academy at Fort Huachuca, as long as you passed the initial APFT, you were able to go to sick call and get a temporary profile that could ride you out the rest of the time at school.

I would do WHATEVER possible to get a permanent profile. Put in the effort to speak with whoever you need to and get the issue addressed. In the end, it's on you and how bad you want to attend. It might not seem easy but just put in the required work.

As stated before, it is a requirement on the Ft. Carson. Item 2 on that same document says "These are BLC graduation requirements and cannot be supplemented."

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 9 at 2017 5:41 PM

2017-11-09T17:41:23-05:00

I just got back from BLC in August and there were a couple of soldiers there with Temp Profiles.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 10 at 2017 12:36 PM

2017-11-10T12:36:15-05:00

It has always been common practice. You DON'T send anyone to an NCOES school on a temp profile. It's just asking for trouble.

Response by SrA Paul Pfeil made Nov 12 at 2017 8:04 PM

2017-11-12T20:04:10-05:00

This is bias. If transgender people get waivers, everyone should get them, its only fair. I'm sueing

Response by SP6 Scott Walker made Nov 12 at 2017 10:09 PM

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Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2017 7:11 PM

2017-11-13T19:11:08-05:00

I was under the impression that all TRADOC schools required the SM to complete the 3 event APFT. Maybe I confused with IET courses (Basic, WOCS,OCS)

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 13 at 2017 7:52 PM

2017-11-13T19:52:09-05:00

If your profile doesn't prevent you from completing course requirements, it will be up to the Commandant of the NCOES. It's how we handled it as I was a Senior SGL and 68W so I can break down the medical terminology and advise the Commandant the best way possible

Response by SPC Tommy Faircloth made Nov 14 at 2017 12:06 AM

2017-11-14T00:06:10-05:00

You could just man up and suffer through it. “Limit my sit ups”. Suck it up cupcake. That’s basically like asking if you can have a CIB without deploying.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2017 12:25 AM

2017-11-14T00:25:28-05:00

Get a permanent profile, just be careful that will trigger a medboard in most cases.

Response by Sgt Scott McCleland made Nov 14 at 2017 6:10 PM

2017-11-14T18:10:04-05:00

When I was going thru BT at Fort McClellan, we were out bivque, two trees uprooted during a squeal line passing thru, landed on my back and my partners legs...cause serve bruising...was placed on profile for the next 6 weeks, the day before I was taken off profile in time for the PT test. I PASSED. Some people that weren't injured failed...my point is do what is needed to pass, it my save your life...yes I still have issues some 36 years later.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 15 at 2017 1:37 AM

2017-11-15T01:37:45-05:00

New aspects wIth the new profile form. If the provider says they can take a record APFT then they can attend any NCOES. All that is required for a record APFT is to have one cardio event. Does not have to be a permanent profile anymore. All NCOES schools requirments and 40-501 are being rewritten to state this.

Response by SSG Grant Hansen made Nov 15 at 2017 1:49 PM

2017-11-15T13:49:47-05:00

I had a permanent profile for no sit-ups or organized PT runs after a disc hernia in my low back. So my PT test was push ups and a 2.5 mile walk. I was still admitted to, and graduated from, BNCOC.

Response by SSG Steven Pionke made Nov 16 at 2017 6:42 PM

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Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 16 at 2017 9:26 PM

2017-11-16T21:26:38-05:00

I wasn’t authorized to do push-ups, sit-ups or run. I was walk only due to nerve damage on my right foot, and a spinal injury. Army didn’t wanna let me out, and also didn’t wanna hold me back. Sent me to ALC like that in 2013.