CPT Craig Mathison5639103<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We have a line Company Clerk that insists on putting "S-1" as their job title. It was my understanding that the S-1 position is for Battalion or Brigade levels only. (However, I have read that sometimes there is an S-1 at the HHC level.) I just want to make sure before I say anything. Thanks!Is there an actual "S1" position at the Company level?2020-03-07T17:54:41-05:00CPT Craig Mathison5639103<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We have a line Company Clerk that insists on putting "S-1" as their job title. It was my understanding that the S-1 position is for Battalion or Brigade levels only. (However, I have read that sometimes there is an S-1 at the HHC level.) I just want to make sure before I say anything. Thanks!Is there an actual "S1" position at the Company level?2020-03-07T17:54:41-05:002020-03-07T17:54:41-05:00Cpl Private RallyPoint Member5639114<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>So I’m an admin clerk for a company. I work in the S-1. We are regiment level. Now my job title is “company clerk” because I work for a specific company. We have a total of 3 infantry companies and we each have a clerk for one. I’ve never heard anyone putting “S-1 clerk” in their title.Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 5:58 PM2020-03-07T17:58:18-05:002020-03-07T17:58:18-05:001SG Private RallyPoint Member5639588<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Some larger companies will have a company clerk position to give admin support to the command team. It is less common today than it once was.Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 9:26 PM2020-03-07T21:26:29-05:002020-03-07T21:26:29-05:00SFC Private RallyPoint Member5639746<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There's no S1 position at a company level. However, some USASOC units like to embed a 42A at the company levels as a dedicated S1 rep, essentially an S1 for the company. It's really a matter of unit SOP and preferenceResponse by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 7 at 2020 10:45 PM2020-03-07T22:45:01-05:002020-03-07T22:45:01-05:00LTC Jason Mackay5639939<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Uhmmm, no. The clerk isn't even likely authorized on the MTOE of the Company they are in. Most company clerks are appropriated by the 1SG from inside the Company, unless the BN pushed clerks down to the Co. I doubt this. There are usually only a few clerks to start with and they work pay, actions, awards, promotions, strength management/PSRs, records checks, SRP, evaluations etcResponse by LTC Jason Mackay made Mar 8 at 2020 12:38 AM2020-03-08T00:38:21-05:002020-03-08T00:38:21-05:00SSG Private RallyPoint Member5639967<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well depends on the unit makeup I'm guessing. In conventional units yes, the S shops would technically fall under HHC. However as far as admin reps go, that sounds like an orderly/training room position in the company. Their job title may be company administrator. Also, is this troop a 42A?Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2020 1:04 AM2020-03-08T01:04:53-05:002020-03-08T01:04:53-05:00SGT Mark Saint Cyr5640085<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I got out in '98 the Company Clerk position in my line unit had been ELIMINATED, and all clerks had been assigned back to Battalion level, then attached back down to company level for rations, quarters, UCMJ, etc.. <br /><br />This change was made then to better facilitate training of clerks in those positions, rather than having it done at the line units who often did not understand a particular clerk's MOS or task they needed to be able to perform to know their MOS.<br /><br />It's also possible that this soldier had been in another unit prior that did this, but it's not being done that way at your unit? He may or may not know either.<br /><br />Be sure to check with the Company's First Sergeant, if you have any questions regarding the soldier, before talking to him? Or failing that, check with the Battalion S-1 to see which way your battalion does things?Response by SGT Mark Saint Cyr made Mar 8 at 2020 4:44 AM2020-03-08T04:44:36-04:002020-03-08T04:44:36-04:00CSM Darieus ZaGara5640243<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not at Company level. The Battalion May have assigned a personnel specialist to help out the HHC, in that regard his title takes on the Company norm, Admin clerk.Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Mar 8 at 2020 6:30 AM2020-03-08T06:30:31-04:002020-03-08T06:30:31-04:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member5640274<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The Marines call their PLs "Platoon Commanders" so i guess everyone wants a trophy now.Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2020 6:56 AM2020-03-08T06:56:07-04:002020-03-08T06:56:07-04:00CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member5640364<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Company Clerk in USMC. Not necessarily admin but fills the billet.Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2020 7:33 AM2020-03-08T07:33:16-04:002020-03-08T07:33:16-04:001SG Private RallyPoint Member5640409<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What does the MTOE call that position? That's the answer.Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2020 7:45 AM2020-03-08T07:45:27-04:002020-03-08T07:45:27-04:00MAJ Private RallyPoint Member5640806<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Out of curiosity to your question, I looked at multiple UMRs (unit manning reports). Detachments have listed Human Resource NCO or Administrative NCO. Headquarter Companies do have S1 staff listed. I recommend verifying the position on the UMR and discussing the position title with the Soldier. For the evaluation, I recommend using the UMR title. I'm sure this Soldier does some of the same things as an S1 shop but at most company or detachment levels there is less overall work.Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 8 at 2020 10:22 AM2020-03-08T10:22:55-04:002020-03-08T10:22:55-04:00SFC Casey O'Mally5641520<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a guy who has spent WAAAAY too much time in an orderly room/training room, I say the answer is almost definitely NO.<br /><br />However,....<br />When I was in a Division-level HHC (where my PLATOON was 125+ Soldier and 225+ civilians) our Company DID have an S1 shop (3 NCOs), S3 (4 NCOs), and S4 (1 NCO, 1 Civilian). I am 90% sure these shops were manned out of hide, and were not on the TDA. I am equally sure that those shops were labeled such as a courtesy and a reference to their function, and not as an official designation. In reality, all of those Soldiers were Company admin and/or training NCOs, (or Supply SGT).Response by SFC Casey O'Mally made Mar 8 at 2020 3:08 PM2020-03-08T15:08:53-04:002020-03-08T15:08:53-04:00MSG Gary Eckert5641562<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There are some separate companies that have their own organic personnel shop; however for line companies the personnel center resides at the battalion. At the company level you probably have what is commonly referred to as a shadow clerk that is either slotted at the battalion or more likely taken from the companies other MOS assets. The real question though is who cares if he refers to himself as the S1; although now day Human Resources seems to be the more common title. By using S1, Soldiers in your Company know who to see when then have a personnel or finance issue. As an old Personnel Sergeant, that makes far more sense tome than say Forward Observer if that is his MOS.Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Mar 8 at 2020 3:25 PM2020-03-08T15:25:24-04:002020-03-08T15:25:24-04:001SG Charles Hunter5641762<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The S1 is an officer on battalion or brigade staff. The battalion PSNCO and personnel clerks work under the S1's general supervision.Response by 1SG Charles Hunter made Mar 8 at 2020 4:44 PM2020-03-08T16:44:10-04:002020-03-08T16:44:10-04:00CSM Richard StCyr5644701<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No they are not an S1, the S shops are at BN and BDE level. <br />Some separate numbered Company's have a Personnel Services NCO (SGT) and an administrative specialist (SPC) slot on the MTOE but they are not classified as an S1. <br />Stop by and see the 1SG or the XO and ask to see the UMR and MTOE.Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Mar 9 at 2020 1:12 PM2020-03-09T13:12:14-04:002020-03-09T13:12:14-04:00LTC Private RallyPoint Member5644795<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>on what are they putting "S-1" as their job title? And does it really matter? If they are performing "S-1" functions what difference does it make if you call them S-1 or company clerk. Unless, of course, they are trying to make people think they are "THE" S-1.Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2020 1:40 PM2020-03-09T13:40:09-04:002020-03-09T13:40:09-04:00CPT Craig Mathison5649189<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>UPDATE..........After talking with the troop and the 1SG I have come to find out that they wanted to be looked at as if, and were informing others that they were, "THE S1" and when pressed, I learned that the troop wanted people to think they were the S1 because they felt that the "Clerk" title was too demeaning or "embarrassing" for them. SMH. (this is what I thought the reason was all along)Response by CPT Craig Mathison made Mar 10 at 2020 7:27 PM2020-03-10T19:27:35-04:002020-03-10T19:27:35-04:002020-03-07T17:54:41-05:00