Posted on Apr 25, 2021
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Hello, I'm a member of the Wisconsin Army National Guard and am currently in the middle of transitioning to a female and was wondering if there is any sort of policy that prohibits a biological male soldier from wearing a bra while in uniform, I have already dyed my hair a natural blonde color which is authorized by the new AR 670-1 but am looking to do more to ease my gender dysphoria while in uniform, by my understanding there is no policy prohibiting a biological male soldier from wearing a bra whilst in uniform but am double checking here.

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There shouldn’t be any issues. Good luck in your transition and I wish you nothing but the best.

Be aware, Rallypoint has some good advice, but historically, the members here have treated LGBT members horrendously. There are a few good people, but don’t be hesitant to block the jerks.

Edit: I must say, Im honestly surprised by how encouraging everyone has been in the comments. Thanks for proving me wrong RallyPoint :)

Edit 2: David Gentile, if you would like to file a hurt feelings report, I’m sure someone can find you a stress card. No way you were a drill sergeant….
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PO2 Robert Cuminale
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Having been forewarned against any negative comments those who would wish to stay on this venue just obeyed the censors.
"Never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel I never quarrel with a man who buys ink by the barrel. Never pick a fight with anyone who buys ink by the barrel and paper by the ton. Many famous wordsmiths have been credited with this saying, e.g., Mark Twain, Benjamin Franklin, and H. L. Mencken."
Over time and progress arguing with someone who controls the microphone was added to the admonition. We're back to where we started only there's no ink or microphone just a delete button. It makes little difference whether the censor proscribes before hand response or deletes after the fact the effect is the same. The naive readers are left with the impression that everyone is in agreement with the editor and them of course. The more sophisticated among the readers know that they've been bludgeoned into silence. Another salvo has been fired against the free exchange of ideas and opinion.
It should go without saying that the question was asked in this forum as part of an agenda to divide our society into warring camps. It should have been addressed to commanders and followed the chain of command for an answer. The questioner should have known that and the editors of Rally Point have helped the questioner evade the chain of command and put his question to the general public and tie the hands of commanders. Its possible they would have agreed that the point in question was allowed behavior or moot but now we'll never know.
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PO2 Robert Cuminale humor me with the cliff notes version of your post…
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SSgt (Join to see) - OP was part of some agenda and should have just gone to CoC

That's how I read their thing. I could be wrong however.
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David Gentile, I see you are one of the many jackasses on here. Down vote, block, then run.

Coward.
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I don’t know why it would; since it’s not worn on the outside of the uniform who would know?
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It varies based on the bra. And lots easier to be aware of in tshirt (APFU/ACU w/o top). Some sports bras are hard to see but then also straps (they should be in neutral color like in regulation) may be visible and then potentially need through shirt.
Some normal tshirt bras like ones I have are super obvious something is under there due to design and padding.
I know one time in AIT someone noticed, we were chill though.
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I'm with MSG Case on this one. If someone's looking long enough to realize there's a bra under your t-shirt, one has to wonder what the objective is.
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CW3 (Join to see) - I don't know, for some of my bras it's super obvious, like I noted. People will be aware.
However still making it an issue by them will still always be wrong unless it's extravagant and unauthorized colors.
I might just have a weird attention to detail where I happen to notice but genuinely think, at least for my tshirt bras, it's super obvious (it's like coming in with implants or prosthetics (by breasts are too small even with it such small size)).

I know my sports bra's black strap is definitely visible, I was once super confused thinking a soldier was wearing a white tshirt with her uniform, it was a white bra strap (I felt so stupid), you can often (but not always) see bra design through tan shirt if we remove tops.

I don't know, I think bras are dumb and I'm not currently required to wear, though wear sports bras anyways. Maybe I'll try one of my [color appropriate] tshirt bras (34A), in event there is an issue, I don't mind fighting against it.

I'll let know if anyone notices, no one brought up my sports bras (nor should they (unless during PT they really like the fashion, then maybe)) outside of one time in AIT where I stupidly wore color that was absolutely not authorized for anyone, so expect no one to bring this up too (nor should they, it's a bloody bra)

quick edit: I'm pretty neuro-divergent and don't intentionally try to look at anyone and when speaking have issue where I entirely look away (I have done good job of resolving by just locking onto their eyes). I just happen to notice, I put specific effort in to avoid noticing because I naturally lock-on to 'abnormalities'. I don't know, sorry to anyone for me noticing stuff .-.

Edit: 14 May 2021, I still say it's obvious, but no issues wearing my t-shirt bras. It was nice.
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If you receive any friction from your chain of command, another avenue to explore would be medical/behavioral health. As a provider, if I had a patient in your situation I would be willing to educate your command and/or write you a profile stating it is medically necessary during your transition. These are just a couple of outside-the-box examples your med/BH providers might help you with.
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That is a very great idea and I will definitely keep that in the back of my mind I'm case I run into that situation , thank you sir.
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The new DoDI becomes effective 30 April
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SGT John Prolo
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What in hell has happened to our military? All the Chinese will have to do is call y’all some names and it’s over. May GOD have mercy on your souls.
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