PFC Private RallyPoint Member 3070059 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This isn&#39;t about me it&#39;s about a friend who&#39;s in a leadership position and his Sgt. always seems to be getting after him for some reason about the stupid stuff. By stupid stuff I&#39;m referring to not standing at parade rest when speaking to a NCO we are all quite familiar with and other really minor offenses.<br /><br />I myself am not under this SPC but it&#39;s happened in front of me and his PVT while on job. Granted I don&#39;t know what daily orders of business looks like around his section but from my experience this soldier is one of the best I know. Squared away right place, right time, right uniform, and he&#39;s been in a leadership role for a while. It seems to me as though this corrective action from his NCO is unwarranted is there anything I can/should do about this? 2017-11-06T19:49:24-05:00 PFC Private RallyPoint Member 3070059

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This isn&#39;t about me it&#39;s about a friend who&#39;s in a leadership position and his Sgt. always seems to be getting after him for some reason about the stupid stuff. By stupid stuff I&#39;m referring to not standing at parade rest when speaking to a NCO we are all quite familiar with and other really minor offenses.<br /><br />I myself am not under this SPC but it&#39;s happened in front of me and his PVT while on job. Granted I don&#39;t know what daily orders of business looks like around his section but from my experience this soldier is one of the best I know. Squared away right place, right time, right uniform, and he&#39;s been in a leadership role for a while. It seems to me as though this corrective action from his NCO is unwarranted is there anything I can/should do about this?

2017-11-06T19:49:24-05:00 2017-11-06T19:49:24-05:00 Capt Private RallyPoint Member 3070065

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>One should praise in public and admonish in private. However, one would need a bit more information on an individual case.

2017-11-06T19:53:36-05:00 2017-11-06T19:53:36-05:00 PFC Private RallyPoint Member 3070070

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This isn&#39;t about me it&#39;s about a friend who&#39;s in a leadership position and his Sgt. always seems to be getting after him for some reason about the stupid stuff. By stupid stuff I&#39;m referring to not standing at parade rest when speaking to a NCO we are all quite familiar with and other really minor offenses.<br /><br />I myself am not under this SPC but it&#39;s happened in front of me and his PVT while on job. Granted I don&#39;t know what daily orders of business looks like around his section but from my experience this soldier is one of the best I know. Squared away right place, right time, right uniform, and he&#39;s been in a leadership role for a while. It seems to me as though this corrective action from his NCO is unwarranted is there anything I can/should do about this?

2017-11-06T19:56:25-05:00 2017-11-06T19:56:25-05:00 MSG Steve Wiersgalla 3070147

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Generally praise in public admonish in private is the way to go. However there isn&#39;t a lot to go on here. &quot;Getting on him&quot; about the stupid stuff can be interpreted in different ways. Something like parade rest displays discipline and respect. What you consider &quot;getting after him&quot; could very well be simple on the spot corrections. He may be a young SGT learning and developing his own leadership. Not saying your wrong but the working dynamic in your section may not work the same with other individuals involved. I am hesitant to really go into depth with the limited information here. I would however advise you to be very careful when intervening on behalf of someone else. You may not always know all the facts even though he is your friend.

2017-11-06T20:25:21-05:00 2017-11-06T20:25:21-05:00 SGT David T. 3070963

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is not your issue to fix. The SGT and SPC need to work it out themselves. Since you are a PFC there is nothing you can do about it anyway. Just remember what you are seeing. Things like this can serve as great examples of what not to do when you finally pin on NCO stripes. All leaders good or bad are beneficial in developing your leadership style.

2017-11-07T08:07:00-05:00 2017-11-07T08:07:00-05:00 SGM Erik Marquez 3071078

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>&quot;By stupid stuff I&#39;m referring to not standing at parade rest when speaking to a NCO&quot;<br />At that point I stopped reading.....<br />A: Thats not &quot;Stupid stuff&quot;<br />B: That the poster feels it is, makes suspect any other observation being related here.<br />C: As the phrase says, &quot;Stay in your lane&quot; this is not your fight.. If you think the action your observing is immoral or illegal then you need to speak up to someone senior to all three of you, but other than that, not your business.<br />D: If you feel now, and still feel later when you have some experience and are put in a leadership position that the way that NCO handled a specific situation can be done better, use that memory and do it differently<br /><br />and an Edit add on.. &quot; NCO punishing a SPC Team Chief&quot;<br /><br />Enlisted generally do not have the authority to punish another enlisted SM. They are charged with and have the authority to take corrective action.<br />Punishment is reduction of rank, loss of pay or liberty, or the like.<br /><br />Corrective action can be a verbal rebuke, detailing what was wrong, what IS right and what will happen if right is not done next time. It can be reenforcement training related to what was done wrong.<br />In years past, (because it was effective at the time with the quality and type of SM we had) physical negative reenforcement was common, because it worked with the SM we had in service then. None of that is &quot;punishment&quot;

2017-11-07T09:15:49-05:00 2017-11-07T09:15:49-05:00 SPC Jason Frazier 3071174

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the soldier truly is squared away, then he needs to follow all protocol not just some. He needs to address the NCO from the proper position. It&#39;s really time for lower enlisted to get back to reading the field manuals for proper etiquette when addressing any NCO. This is not the military I was a part of but there still needs to be discipline in every aspect of military life. There is no room for questioning the authority of an NCO. If the soldier has a problem with it, he can take it up his chain of command. You need to leave the issue to the soldier and let him take the initiative to resolve the issue unless the NCO is actively violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice, then you have an obligation to report that NCO to his superiors through your chain of command.

2017-11-07T10:04:35-05:00 2017-11-07T10:04:35-05:00 SFC Joseph Weber 3072500

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Imagine the Platoon Sergeant or Leader who has a PFC tell him that one of his SPC Team Leaders is being picked on. If anything you will make the Specialist look weaker than he is.

2017-11-07T17:38:52-05:00 2017-11-07T17:38:52-05:00 Lt Col Jim Coe 3074188

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="1377684" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/1377684-25b-information-technology-specialist-11th-sig-43rd-sig">PFC Private RallyPoint Member</a>, my advice is put your head down and get your job done. Counseling NCOs about the way they lead their roops is a subject for senior NCOs. If the situation continues and it really grates on you to the point of effecting the mission, talk with your First Sergeant.

2017-11-08T11:10:05-05:00 2017-11-08T11:10:05-05:00 SSG (ret) William Martin 3074767

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don&#39;t do that. That is demoralizing. It produces disloyal subordinates. Turn every situation into a learning event. I have been in my current unit for a year and I have yet to yell at anyone. It&#39;s not the way I do business. I had a platoon sergeant who did that to me and my loyalty to her faded quick.

2017-11-08T14:08:25-05:00 2017-11-08T14:08:25-05:00 SFC Emanuel Walden 3078643

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Although you may be seeing it at a different vantage point, there maybe more to the story. There are many leadership styles and although it is always wrong to reprimand in front of subordinates, the SGT is being watched and this normally gets recorded in evaluations. My suggestion to you is to tell your chain of command ie.. SPC and then SGT if you feel strongly about this. Maybe your SGT can talk to his peer. Always strive to keep things as low in the chain as possible. Do not under any circumstances go over or around the chain of command. It&#39;s there for a reason.<br />SFC Walden

2017-11-09T19:43:10-05:00 2017-11-09T19:43:10-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 3078693

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You say this SPC, is really squared yet he doesn&#39;t stand at parade rest for NCO&#39;s. Attention to small details and showing respect sets the tone and helps keep good order and discipline.

2017-11-09T20:07:13-05:00 2017-11-09T20:07:13-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 3091460

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If that bothers you than don&#39;t bother going to war, the army isn&#39;t the place to worry about everyone&#39;s feelings..if you feel it&#39;s gone too far as in being degrading or immoral and it&#39;s totally unjustified talk to your team leader that&#39;s where you need to start with everything.. as far as I know they are still teaching you chain of command. If he wasn&#39;t standing at parade rest for an NCO he was wrong and needs corrected. If the NCO keeps getting onto him all he needs to do is fix himself

2017-11-14T16:26:10-05:00 2017-11-14T16:26:10-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 3107007

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That&#39;s an EO complaint

2017-11-20T13:58:20-05:00 2017-11-20T13:58:20-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 3118056

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>a professional leader makes sure not to correct soldiers in front of their peers. This is common knowedge that you pull them to the side 1 on 1 and speak to them. Or, do whatever corrective action is needed. Being a private, you can say I’m a very respectful and professional manner, that the Sgt might not want to flame the soldier in front of others. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a lower enlisted correcting a higher ranked soldier. I’ve done it to Sgt majors, but in a very professional manner. They weren’t even upset, because as a leader, you must be open to criticism. <br /><br />I would not say that his Sgt is getting after him for “stupid stuff” because if a soldier can’t follow the tiniest of orders, then it’s likely they won’t follow the big ones when needed. A Spc not standing at parade rest for an nco? That’s basic training level issues. It should be habit for that Spc to do that.

2017-11-24T22:22:14-05:00 2017-11-24T22:22:14-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 3118058

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>How is this Spc going to be in a leader position, if he’s setting a bad example for other soldiers by not doing the basics such as standing at parade rest? I’d remove him from his leadership position just because he can’t do basic level things

2017-11-24T22:23:45-05:00 2017-11-24T22:23:45-05:00 SPC Private RallyPoint Member 3126990

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Learn your regs and dicipline is key

2017-11-28T13:41:24-05:00 2017-11-28T13:41:24-05:00 SPC David Willis 3162691

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Not standing at parade rest when talking to an NCO is not a minor thing. In my line unit we stood at parade rest when talking to anyone who outranked us until we were told to relax, PV2s were standing that way for PFCs and SPCs, not just NCOs. To answer your question though you should do nothing. Like you said you don&#39;t know what&#39;s going on daily, and you don&#39;t know what he was being disciplined for. He may seem squared away to you, but if he&#39;s doing things like not even standing properly while talking he may have larger deficiencies.

2017-12-11T09:14:53-05:00 2017-12-11T09:14:53-05:00 CSM Richard StCyr 3162969

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a PFC, not your lane to do anything regarding interaction with two leaders, and your evaluation of what is stupid stuff is off base as it&#39;s basic discipline to stand at parade rest when addressing a senior leader ( in my day PFCs stood at parade rest for SPCs). <br />Is it good form to rake a junior leader over the coals in front of his troops; not especially in my opinion, but if the SPC is getting special attention frequently I&#39;d be more interested in what their doing to gain that attention. I&#39;d also be interested in the NCO you all are &quot;quite familiar with&quot; as over familiarity (read that lax standards) breeds contempt.

2017-12-11T10:48:38-05:00 2017-12-11T10:48:38-05:00 SPC Jessica Kuyatt 3198832

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I&#39;ve observed similar things. NCOs often let their power give them a sense of importance, which can cause arrogance, a false sense of righteousness, among other things that lead them to abuse their power. Only those NCOs who abuse this power are without any real power. They make up for it in immaturity to make a Soldier &quot;heel,&quot; like a dog, but that is all they can really do. If they go too far, they risk embarrassing themselves. Sometimes, though, there may be a good reason the NCO is forcing extra disciplines on a Soldier that you&#39;re unaware of (for good reason, you should not be privy to everything). Do no comfort if comfort is not warranted. If the Soldier looks distressed, invite him or her to share their story. And if they do, and it is a power play, then encourage that Soldier by admiring how they stand strong under the unfairness of it all, reminding them that this will be an important lesson later down the road when they become an NCO. Never encourage ranting as it only increases hostility and the Soldier may lose their discipline and control, and get in worse trouble. Do not &quot;take their side&quot; but don&#39;t rebuke either. Ask clarifying questions. Lead them to the answer on their own. Help them to see healthier perspectives. <br /><br />Let&#39;s face it. None of us really are in control in the Army or in life. So just do the best thing anyone can do for their fellow Soldier: be a listen info, caring ear. No coddling, no judgmentalism, no unwarranted advice, and be tactful.

2017-12-25T09:56:43-05:00 2017-12-25T09:56:43-05:00 SPC Francis Gonzales 3226905

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>No

2018-01-04T17:52:39-05:00 2018-01-04T17:52:39-05:00 SPC Brandon Adolph 3227161

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Check down not up!

2018-01-04T19:29:00-05:00 2018-01-04T19:29:00-05:00 SPC Shawn Lytle 3228043

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>With all of these helpful comments, i feel they missed one piece of advise. Quit being a sniveling twat.

2018-01-05T03:54:01-05:00 2018-01-05T03:54:01-05:00 SPC Christian Vega 3276886

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Alpha Team Leader shouldn’t be trying to correct the Bravo Team Leader or vis versa, same position means same status, although it is correct to parade rest to a nco or higher ranking nco, just because there is a sfc in a 1sgt position does not mean he has to talk to the other 1sgts in parade rest in the battalion, same position holds more value than the rank you hold, hell a pfc team leader holds more power than a spc rifleman, why? Because it’s the position you hold that gives you the power, the sgt who is correcting the spc team leader is just some faggot trying to suck dick in front of everything and show them that he’s got a bigger dick, it’s retarded and idk why people care so much about that stupid shit, if their squad leader has a problem with the spc team leader not going to parade rest then i guess he has to but making a team leader parade rest to another team leader just makes him look bad in front of everyone, the spc is doing a sgt job with less pay and no stripes so i can say you can at least let him talk to the other team leaders not being in parade rest

2018-01-20T14:22:59-05:00 2018-01-20T14:22:59-05:00 2017-11-06T19:49:24-05:00