MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 1091745 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>US Defense Watch<br />Leave it to the Marines to make the US military’s last stand. It’s the last stand for the Marines, the last stand for reality, the last stand for the military to function as a cohesive war fighting organization and not a Santa Monica yoga class.<br /><br /><br />In America 180, everything is upside down. What kind of madcap lunatic asylum do we live in when the military has to ask for exemptions to keep women out of combat?<br /><br /><br />This is what happens when policy is being dictated by radicals whose idea of combat is elbowing for a place in line at the Bloomingdale’s’ lunch counter. This is what happens when the military’s leaders are gutless moral cowards.<br /><br /><br />Thank God for the Marines. They want an exemption to prevent women from serving in the combat arms branches of the Marine Corps. The Navy surrendered its masculinity in 1991 after the Tailhook Affair and has evolved into the Love Boat with guns and fast planes. The Air Force disappeared over the horizon sometime in the late 90’s. The Army is advertising their 37 year old Mommy Ranger and sucking down enough Kool Aid to clean out half the grocery stores and lemonade stands in America.<br /><br /><br />The Pentagon has become a modern day Jonestown.<br /><br /><br />But, the Marines won’t go for it. They won’t go for the ridiculous notion that women can cut it in the combat arms and special operations. Unlike the other services, the Marines seem to remember that war is hell and unforgiving and more violent than any civilian can even imagine. The Marines know that in war there is no substitute for victory.<br /><br /><br />The Marines know, but no one else does. They are alone on an island, like one of the many they captured with so much blood and sacrifice and heartbreak in World War II.<br /><br /><br />A recent U.S. Marine Corps report has concluded that women cannot physically perform well in combat operations.<br /><br /><br />About 400 male and 100 female Marines participated in the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force study, which was conducted from October 2014 to July 2015 at Camp Lejeune, NC, and Twentynine Palms, CA.<br /><br /><br />In September, the Marines released an executive summary that said women in the study sustained significantly higher injury rates than men, were less accurate with infantry weapons and had more difficulty moving “wounded” troops off the battlefield.<br /><br /><br />Sadly, the Marines had to waste 36 million in taxpayer dollars to tell us something we already knew. But, the liberals and feminist nuts refuse to accept the truth.<br /><br /><br />Liberals don’t like facts. They greatly dislike reality. They view the world they want it to be, rather than the way it really is.<br /><br /><br />“From a research perspective, there’s almost nothing you could reliably draw from this research,” Megan MacKenzie, a senior lecturer at the University of Sydney in Australia stated. MacKenzie is a radical feminist who has published several books about women in combat. She is an outspoken critic of the “Band of Brothers” myth and believes women can perform well in the combat arms. Of course she’s actually never been in combat herself, but why bring up such trivial details.<br /><br /><br />Apparently, the US military is taking recommendations from Australian feminist professors.<br /><br /><br />If the study didn’t persuade anyone, how about the fact that women went 0 for 26 at the Marine Infantry Officer Course this year. That fact, like the study and all others is shoved under a very large rug and masked by the Pentagon smoke machine.<br /><br /><br />Facts mean nothing to these people. Testosterone means nothing, upper body strength means nothing, larger aerobic capacity means nothing, less injury prone means nothing. Logic and the truth mean nothing to these modern day Trotskyites.<br /><br /><br />Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus is the virtual Kool Aid King of the Pentagon E-Ring. Mabus is currently against any exemptions for the Marines. In a recent Washington Post op-ed piece, Mabus criticized his own organization by claiming the Marines were using “1992 language even as the way we fight and the landscape of our battles has significantly evolved from a quarter-century ago.”<br /><br /><br />What the hell is Mabus talking about? He makes it sound like war has evolved into some kind of milktoast Olympic sporting event like curling. According to this circus clown, there’s no need for soldiers or Marines to close with and destroy an armed enemy. Has Mabus heard about Fallujah or Tal Afar or a thousand and one other battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan? Has he seen what is currently going on in the Middle East? This man’s state of delusion is off the charts.<br /><br /><br />Mabus states that “Every decision I make is purposefully in support of maximizing its combat effectiveness.” Really Mr. Secretary; if you cared about combat effectiveness and not about your Pentagon perks this wouldn’t even be a topic for discussion.<br /><br /><br />He continues with this obfuscation. “Second, this question is about standards, not gender.” Hmm, well, it seems that your own service has given you two studies in the last year that clearly show that women cannot hack it in the combat arms. What else do you need Mabus? Should God part the Potomac to prove his point?<br /><br /><br />Mabus further states. “As the nature of warfare becomes more dynamic and unpredictable, we need to be the strongest force possible, and diversity is one of our greatest strengths. When we talk about diversity, we mean the full spectrum of demographics, but even more important, we mean diversity of thinking. The Marine Corps Times has highlighted an anecdote about the creative, expeditious way a four-woman team in the Marine Corps’ study confronted an 8-foot obstacle. An American Forces Network report featured female Marines who demonstrated that gender does not define their service. These are the thinkers we need in every part of our force; they will maximize our combat effectiveness.”<br /><br /><br />In the Pentagon of 2015 we don’t need firepower and riflemen; we can win wars with diversity. And, how about those four women who figured out how to climb over an eight foot wall? What a combat multiplier that must be. They’re some real thinkers.<br /><br /><br />Newsflash Mabus: four Girl Scouts can figure out how to scale an eight foot wall.<br /><br /><br />Remember this one, America. Diversity = Combat Effectiveness.<br /><br /><br />The Marines are making a last stand for all of us. They are dealing with reality unlike Mabus, Ash Carter, Obama, MacKenzie and the buffoons running Ranger School. It’s time for the Pentagon to stop lying to itself and the nation it serves. 2015-11-06T07:06:19-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 1091745

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>US Defense Watch<br />Leave it to the Marines to make the US military’s last stand. It’s the last stand for the Marines, the last stand for reality, the last stand for the military to function as a cohesive war fighting organization and not a Santa Monica yoga class.<br /><br /><br />In America 180, everything is upside down. What kind of madcap lunatic asylum do we live in when the military has to ask for exemptions to keep women out of combat?<br /><br /><br />This is what happens when policy is being dictated by radicals whose idea of combat is elbowing for a place in line at the Bloomingdale’s’ lunch counter. This is what happens when the military’s leaders are gutless moral cowards.<br /><br /><br />Thank God for the Marines. They want an exemption to prevent women from serving in the combat arms branches of the Marine Corps. The Navy surrendered its masculinity in 1991 after the Tailhook Affair and has evolved into the Love Boat with guns and fast planes. The Air Force disappeared over the horizon sometime in the late 90’s. The Army is advertising their 37 year old Mommy Ranger and sucking down enough Kool Aid to clean out half the grocery stores and lemonade stands in America.<br /><br /><br />The Pentagon has become a modern day Jonestown.<br /><br /><br />But, the Marines won’t go for it. They won’t go for the ridiculous notion that women can cut it in the combat arms and special operations. Unlike the other services, the Marines seem to remember that war is hell and unforgiving and more violent than any civilian can even imagine. The Marines know that in war there is no substitute for victory.<br /><br /><br />The Marines know, but no one else does. They are alone on an island, like one of the many they captured with so much blood and sacrifice and heartbreak in World War II.<br /><br /><br />A recent U.S. Marine Corps report has concluded that women cannot physically perform well in combat operations.<br /><br /><br />About 400 male and 100 female Marines participated in the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force study, which was conducted from October 2014 to July 2015 at Camp Lejeune, NC, and Twentynine Palms, CA.<br /><br /><br />In September, the Marines released an executive summary that said women in the study sustained significantly higher injury rates than men, were less accurate with infantry weapons and had more difficulty moving “wounded” troops off the battlefield.<br /><br /><br />Sadly, the Marines had to waste 36 million in taxpayer dollars to tell us something we already knew. But, the liberals and feminist nuts refuse to accept the truth.<br /><br /><br />Liberals don’t like facts. They greatly dislike reality. They view the world they want it to be, rather than the way it really is.<br /><br /><br />“From a research perspective, there’s almost nothing you could reliably draw from this research,” Megan MacKenzie, a senior lecturer at the University of Sydney in Australia stated. MacKenzie is a radical feminist who has published several books about women in combat. She is an outspoken critic of the “Band of Brothers” myth and believes women can perform well in the combat arms. Of course she’s actually never been in combat herself, but why bring up such trivial details.<br /><br /><br />Apparently, the US military is taking recommendations from Australian feminist professors.<br /><br /><br />If the study didn’t persuade anyone, how about the fact that women went 0 for 26 at the Marine Infantry Officer Course this year. That fact, like the study and all others is shoved under a very large rug and masked by the Pentagon smoke machine.<br /><br /><br />Facts mean nothing to these people. Testosterone means nothing, upper body strength means nothing, larger aerobic capacity means nothing, less injury prone means nothing. Logic and the truth mean nothing to these modern day Trotskyites.<br /><br /><br />Secretary of the Navy, Ray Mabus is the virtual Kool Aid King of the Pentagon E-Ring. Mabus is currently against any exemptions for the Marines. In a recent Washington Post op-ed piece, Mabus criticized his own organization by claiming the Marines were using “1992 language even as the way we fight and the landscape of our battles has significantly evolved from a quarter-century ago.”<br /><br /><br />What the hell is Mabus talking about? He makes it sound like war has evolved into some kind of milktoast Olympic sporting event like curling. According to this circus clown, there’s no need for soldiers or Marines to close with and destroy an armed enemy. Has Mabus heard about Fallujah or Tal Afar or a thousand and one other battlefields in Iraq and Afghanistan? Has he seen what is currently going on in the Middle East? This man’s state of delusion is off the charts.<br /><br /><br />Mabus states that “Every decision I make is purposefully in support of maximizing its combat effectiveness.” Really Mr. Secretary; if you cared about combat effectiveness and not about your Pentagon perks this wouldn’t even be a topic for discussion.<br /><br /><br />He continues with this obfuscation. “Second, this question is about standards, not gender.” Hmm, well, it seems that your own service has given you two studies in the last year that clearly show that women cannot hack it in the combat arms. What else do you need Mabus? Should God part the Potomac to prove his point?<br /><br /><br />Mabus further states. “As the nature of warfare becomes more dynamic and unpredictable, we need to be the strongest force possible, and diversity is one of our greatest strengths. When we talk about diversity, we mean the full spectrum of demographics, but even more important, we mean diversity of thinking. The Marine Corps Times has highlighted an anecdote about the creative, expeditious way a four-woman team in the Marine Corps’ study confronted an 8-foot obstacle. An American Forces Network report featured female Marines who demonstrated that gender does not define their service. These are the thinkers we need in every part of our force; they will maximize our combat effectiveness.”<br /><br /><br />In the Pentagon of 2015 we don’t need firepower and riflemen; we can win wars with diversity. And, how about those four women who figured out how to climb over an eight foot wall? What a combat multiplier that must be. They’re some real thinkers.<br /><br /><br />Newsflash Mabus: four Girl Scouts can figure out how to scale an eight foot wall.<br /><br /><br />Remember this one, America. Diversity = Combat Effectiveness.<br /><br /><br />The Marines are making a last stand for all of us. They are dealing with reality unlike Mabus, Ash Carter, Obama, MacKenzie and the buffoons running Ranger School. It’s time for the Pentagon to stop lying to itself and the nation it serves.

2015-11-06T07:06:19-05:00 2015-11-06T07:06:19-05:00 SGT Joseph Schmalzel 1091763

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Females bring us down in a lot of corners Sir. They are best kept in Combat service support.

2015-11-06T07:25:05-05:00 2015-11-06T07:25:05-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 1091825

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Great post.

2015-11-06T08:09:14-05:00 2015-11-06T08:09:14-05:00 Cpl Brad MarkW 1092163

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Gasoline meet fire. Ha ha, I love it and kudos to you for speaking your mind. Get ready for the flames though, they are a'commin'.

2015-11-06T11:00:00-05:00 2015-11-06T11:00:00-05:00 1stSgt Private RallyPoint Member 1092353

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Awesome post, XO

2015-11-06T12:17:50-05:00 2015-11-06T12:17:50-05:00 Cpl Tina Earl 1092365

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As a female Marine, I 100% agree with you. Even in boot camp female recruits had a higher instance of long term injuries such as stress fractures. I&#39;d rather fully and successfully support from my supply warehouse, than hinder the abilities of my brothers on the front line by putting them in danger because of my inability to &quot;keep up&quot;.

2015-11-06T12:23:29-05:00 2015-11-06T12:23:29-05:00 SSgt Christopher Brose 1092509

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't think I agree with the general statement that "women can't cut it" in combat. I think some women probably could, and some can't, just like some men can and some men can't. The percentages of women who could cut it in combat are probably much smaller than for men, but there are enough examples of women in combat in the Russian and Israeli armies that I just wouldn't agree with any kind of blanket statement. <br /><br />That said, I agree with the Marines' push to keep women out of combat. There are other good reasons for it besides physical ability. The Russian and Israeli examples occurred on their own country's soil, for one thing. If war came to American soil, it's a different ball game altogether, and there may be situations where there is a greater need for combatants than there are available men. <br /><br />But as long as we are fighting our wars on foreign soil, our use of forces is somewhat discretionary -- and as long as that is true, there is no need to put women in harm's way. <br /><br />Women make things complicated for men. That's just the way life is, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that in normal life. But combat isn't normal life, and in combat, men don't need those sorts of complications.

2015-11-06T13:24:07-05:00 2015-11-06T13:24:07-05:00 Cpl James Waycasie 1093001

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What this PC Government needs to do is let the Professional Military Leaders make the judgment call. I wouldn't want a Port o John servicer making decisions on how to run the establishment where I eat.

2015-11-06T17:08:35-05:00 2015-11-06T17:08:35-05:00 COL Ronald Diana 1093071

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>THe marines have made a good case. Talking with my son, the marines who participated in the six month trail really wanted to see the women succeed, but they are not built for the extreme requirements expected of infantry on the battlefield. BHO has been responsible for more social experimentation in the military at one time then ever before. I feel sorry for my fellow Infantrymen that have to deal with the crap that is coming down the pike. I am truly glad to be retired and away from this BS.

2015-11-06T17:45:44-05:00 2015-11-06T17:45:44-05:00 Sgt Cody Dumont 1093120

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Well said. Semper FI

2015-11-06T18:35:03-05:00 2015-11-06T18:35:03-05:00 LCpl Jim Pleace 1093925

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is the same bullshit PC capitulation mindset that denied the Rangers and Marines airpower and armor in Mogadishu thanks to one blithering Mort Halerpin under Les Aspin. Apparently Mabus is cut from that same cloth. This article states it more succinctly than I could ever write.

2015-11-07T10:30:33-05:00 2015-11-07T10:30:33-05:00 Sgt Nick Marshall 1094684

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You'd be much more effective in your message if you didn't go on such diatribes. As a Liberal and Marine, I agree women, should not be in combat units with male Marines. All female Marine Corps combat units should be seriously examined if this country values equality, but integrated units is impractical for obvious reasons, IMHO. The AF and Navy can get away with it because they don't have the same physicality requirement as the MC. I won't jab the army (tempting as it is) about the lower standards they have.<br />Don't blame liberals for this, it's a desire for women to be treated equally, something we should strive for, as long as it doesn't effect combat effectiveness.

2015-11-07T21:28:25-05:00 2015-11-07T21:28:25-05:00 SGT Anthony Rossi 1095026

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As long as we base male and female abilities off of superhero movies we will never come to grip with the reality that there are just somethings that men are generally better at. "Like fighting!"

2015-11-08T03:27:20-05:00 2015-11-08T03:27:20-05:00 Watchoahu . 1095060

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Damb straight and proper!!! Calling it out for what it is based on reality and the facts of life. Much unlike the moronic current obozo administration

2015-11-08T06:11:05-05:00 2015-11-08T06:11:05-05:00 MAJ Ken Landgren 1095413

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I doubt women will be prevented from joining Marine Combat Arms. That said, they need to make the standards.

2015-11-08T13:14:52-05:00 2015-11-08T13:14:52-05:00 CSM Charles Hayden 1098245

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="1979" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/1979-35e-counterintelligence">MAJ Private RallyPoint Member</a> The Marines spent $36,000,000 discovering female capabilities? The Army raised the Corps by $1000% and proved that females can and will pass the Ranger Course!

2015-11-09T21:26:23-05:00 2015-11-09T21:26:23-05:00 SSgt Private RallyPoint Member 1098514

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It's backed up by facts, if they data stated women maintained the previous standard then go for it but it is detrimental for everyone around them. Let's not do this just because it, "makes people happy".

2015-11-10T00:03:33-05:00 2015-11-10T00:03:33-05:00 Cpl David Salvati 1098599

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Lead the way Obama, your girls will make great infantry officers in Syria!

2015-11-10T01:34:36-05:00 2015-11-10T01:34:36-05:00 Sgt James Howard 1099477

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think that most Marines have experienced what Major Nace describes, but many are unwilling to talk about it because of political correctness. When I was in, very few female Marines completed martial arts training or other physically demanding assignments without injury. I felt bad for female Marines in MCMAP courses. They were invariably paired up with other female Marines because they couldn&#39;t carry a male Marine. I know there are exceptions to this general rule, but they are a significant few. Again, the majority of &quot;UnQ&#39;s&quot; or people who went unqualified on the rifle range were female Marines. Again, there is probably a female Marine somewhere who can outshoot me, even though I competed in the Division matches, but that isn&#39;t the norm. You can take any random group of male marines, and the vast majority of them will be trainable for combat. That is not true of female Marines. This says nothing negative about their character or anything else, it is simply a biological difference.

2015-11-10T11:09:59-05:00 2015-11-10T11:09:59-05:00 CW3 Jim Norris 1099562

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Mommy Ranger, probably the first and only retread solider carried along the way and given any slack during ranger school. It's been a long, long time since I had to be carried to an LZ with a bullet wound, but I can almost assure you that the female soldiers I see around me today could no more get my 195 pound body out of the fire zone and back to the LZ than they could flap their arms and fly.....Senior leadership has caved to PC rhetoric in lieu of professional decisions.

2015-11-10T11:57:32-05:00 2015-11-10T11:57:32-05:00 SSgt Donnie West 1101112

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Thank you Maj. Nace for a well said speech; I could not have done it better and this is what I have been saying all along. as a matter of fact this is the last stance for our Corps. we are surrounded on every front including the white house. we have people up there making laws for us that have not served. this is our future. and yes there are places for women in our ranks. the front line is not one of them. Maj. Nace I would love to shake your hand on this one. semper Fi

2015-11-10T23:28:57-05:00 2015-11-10T23:28:57-05:00 Cpl Private RallyPoint Member 1397284

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm sure the PC police will be coming for you at any time, Sir.

2016-03-22T22:44:28-04:00 2016-03-22T22:44:28-04:00 Cpl Mark A. Morris 2275967

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I read the new gender neutral Marine Corp standards. Shouldn&#39;t the Marine Corp be nice enough to change its name?<br />Raise standards and let anyone try. If you make it then fine. BTW. When did hair cut&#39;s become optional? Because, you are a girl?<br />M. Morris RVT

2017-01-23T18:20:05-05:00 2017-01-23T18:20:05-05:00 Cpl Joshua Caldwell 2338134

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>With Mattis running the DOD, this social experiment will come to an end. We have made it through the dark times and a new dawn is upon us.

2017-02-13T21:18:48-05:00 2017-02-13T21:18:48-05:00 2015-11-06T07:06:19-05:00