Posted on Jun 19, 2017
PFC Behavioral Health Specialist
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CSM Thomas McGarry
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As a retired CSM I will say that one of my pet peeves all my time in the Army was with those who stated that something was "against regulation" when in fact they didn't know or were wrong. One of the great things I find with the internet is that regardless of rank you can usually find what in fact the Reg is along with all kinds of other info on awards etc. One word of caution however is to be sure you are viewing the latest version of the regulation as they do change!!
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1stSgt Stanley J Klein Sr
1stSgt Stanley J Klein Sr
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I was First Sergeant for an Aircraft Maintenance Unit. I observed a Captain, one of the Maintenance Officers with his hands in his pockets, and quietly corrected him later. The next day I saw him out side and he called to me, waving his hands, "Look First Sergeant, Gloves,"!!
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SSG Horizontal Construction Engineer
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The only time I ever hated that reg is when I was transferred to CO. I understand the importance of keeping your hands ready and available in order to render respects and in a combat environment. But, in cold weather areas pockets serve a vital aspect of keeping hands warm and ready or re-warming cold hands. I suffer from impingement of shoulder nerves and poor circulation in my upper extremities so gloves alone do not suffice.
In my opinion you can not write an appropriate profile to accommodate my condition so that others would not take advantage of it. 'What constitutes cold for an individual?' 'How do you test that empirically?'
IMHO there should be exceptions made for situation and environment.
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CW4 John Beebe, BS, DML
CW4 John Beebe, BS, DML
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SSG Chris Morrison - "Grass grows by the inches and dies by the FEET!!!"
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Sgt Mervyn Russell
Sgt Mervyn Russell
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I was in AIT when a corporal thought he had caught me with my hands in my pockets but, I would not admit to it, stating that I had my hands tucked up under my field jacket and which I did. Still got my a** chewed out.
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COL Aviation Combined Arms Operations
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Although I love to butt heads with CSMs, he may have been correct, but he just had the wrong reference. AR 670-1 covers a lot, but in this case you may need to reference US Code Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8. He may have been referring to subsection d or j. To me it's subjective interpretation.

No disrespect should be shown to the flag of the United States of America; the flag should not be dipped to any person or thing. Regimental colors, State flags, and organization or institutional flags are to be dipped as a mark of honor.
(a) The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.
(b) The flag should never touch anything beneath it, such as the ground, the floor, water, or merchandise.
(c) The flag should never be carried flat or horizontally, but always aloft and free.
(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.
(e) The flag should never be fastened, displayed, used, or stored in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way.
(f) The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.
(h) The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
(i) The flag should never be used for advertising purposes in any manner whatsoever. It should not be embroidered on such articles as cushions or handkerchiefs and the like, printed or otherwise impressed on paper napkins or boxes or anything that is designed for temporary use and discard. Advertising signs should not be fastened to a staff or halyard from which the flag is flown.
(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.
(k) The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning.
(Added Pub. L. 105–225, § 2(a), Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1497.)
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SSgt Robert Gainer
SSgt Robert Gainer
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The keyword is should. See, when the Supreme Court ruled "self expression" in a case about flag burning (or was it walking on it) pretty much said anything goes where the flag is concerned.
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell
SFC Kenneth Hunnell
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Col Robert Grierson, have you noticed that in every instants. The words should never is in every situation. That does not imply a regulation or law. Sounds to be a suggestion
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COL Aviation Combined Arms Operations
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SFC Kenneth Hunnell as I stated nearly 3 years ago, it’s subject to interpretation. And CDMs always fall into a black and white interpretation and take it personally.
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MSgt Allen Chandler
MSgt Allen Chandler
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I May have missed part of this discussion. If it’s OK to put a patch (flag patch) On a uniform or on civilian clothes why would there be a problem with a US flag patch? If the patch is Displayed disrespectfully I can understand it being inappropriate but putting a patch on any thing in and of itself seems to me to be perfectly OK. As a side subject I’m pretty sure most of the flag codes or suggestions not laws or regulations
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SFC Observer   Controller/Trainer (Oc/T)
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Not even a little bit.. some CSM's tend to equate their preferences for doctrine...
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MAJ Deputy G3/5/7 And Chops
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IMHO US Code Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8 should be an enforceable law, punishable by a harsh fines ($10,000.00) and 1yr in jail, or at least probation plus the fine and it should also be exempt from Freedom of speech. I know that many would disagree with me, and that's OK. It just truly bothered me, beyond words can describe when I see anyone burning or walking on my flag, our flag... again IMHO.
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SFC Sr. Instructor
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Sgt Jude Eschete - My personal predisposition is to continue doing what I am allowed by reg, especially when it pisses people off. That isn't a personality train I developed as an SNCO, that been a fairly consistent personality trait my whole life.
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Sgt Jude Eschete
Sgt Jude Eschete
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SFC (Join to see) - I understand that, but I am sure that if at some point a CSM came to you and told you that you were messed up, would you seriously sit and argue, or would you say yes SgtMaj, do what he said, and then go back to what you were doing when he left? The point is, there is a time and place for everything. We had a standing base order that you could wear headphones while running along a road, but had to have the headphone in the ear facing the road removed.

I had a SNCO tell me to remove them completely. I could have argued and pulled up the base order, or I could just remove them, continue my run, and put them back when the SNCO was no longer around.

Sometimes, somethings are not worth the trouble and you're better off going with the flow. If it continues to be an issue you can seek further guidance from another SNCO. I.e. The headphone issue was between me and my SSgt, I knew the base order as I had been on post for 4 years, and the SSgt had been on post for only about 3 months. I complied, and sought further guidance from my GySgt. Problem solved, no hurt feelings and no one had any problems after the fact.
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SFC Sr. Instructor
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Sgt Jude Eschete certainly, and that is a calculation anyone ought to make in such situations. I'm not suggesting that my way is particularly smart, but I have a hard head and a memory for regulatory precision. So when I am told a bullshit thing, I call bullshit. It has worked for me, I have also seen that not work with for others.
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