ISIS has a vision for victory, Obama doesn't. Do you think this is true?

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 May 2015 09:54:11 -0400

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/05/26/isis-has-vision-for-victory-obama-doesnt.html

ISIS has a vision for victory, Obama doesn't | Fox News

The leaders of the Islamic State are madmen, but they have a vision for victory, and a mountain of corpses in two countries to prove it. The consequences of Obama’s fecklessness fall most heavily on Muslims, Christians and Kurds in Iraq and Syria. But it will not end there.

Response by CPT Bob Moore made May 27 at 2015 10:02 AM

CPT Bob Moore — Wed, 27 May 2015 10:02:16 -0400

I think that ISIS has a simpler vision for what they want, but also less issues with accomplishing that. They do not need to worry about various political views and influence from the civilian population of a county. The US also deals with other countries and the politics of those countries.

If anyone dissents and complains, ISIS kills them. We can't do that. Political borders don't mean much to ISIS, they simply want to control more area.

Also, the vision of Obama and the U.S. is "defeat ISIS", but no one can agree on what that looks like or how to get it done. The vision of ISIS is "create a caliphate" and do it by the most brutal means if necessary. Those that fight for ISIS are easily convinced to do that.

I don't think it is as easy as ISIS has a clearer vision, but I think they definitely have an easier path to implement their vision.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made May 27 at 2015 10:04 AM

LTC Paul Labrador — Wed, 27 May 2015 10:04:22 -0400

The issue is they each have different goals. ISIS's goal is to create an Islamic caliphage. Obama's plan is to keep us out of the Middle East so he can say he "ended" the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as part of his legacy....even if the reality is he's keeping us on the sideline while the regions go to hell in a handbasket.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made May 27 at 2015 10:04 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Wed, 27 May 2015 10:04:49 -0400

Absolutely true. ISIS is willing to die for their twisted beliefs; Obama is only willing to outline what he refuses to do or state clearly exactly what beliefs he holds.

Response by SSG Donald Mceuen made May 27 at 2015 10:07 AM

SSG Donald Mceuen — Wed, 27 May 2015 10:07:08 -0400

Ya he needs to listen to his staff or is he.
We need to end this now and we can but we tend to back off and watch to much.
Then when all is at it's worst we go in and clean up but it's to late...

Response by SPC Charles Brown made May 27 at 2015 10:10 AM

SPC Charles Brown — Wed, 27 May 2015 10:10:53 -0400

Obama, has no visions for this country except to destroy it from within.

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made May 27 at 2015 10:11 AM

Cpl Jeff N. — Wed, 27 May 2015 10:11:39 -0400

ISIS not only has a vision but they have a plan and they are executing it. We have none of these articulated or in action. Airstrikes on targets of opportunity periodically isn't a plan, it really is an indicator of the absense of a plan.

Degrading an enemy (the statement most parroted by the administration) is not a goal you can easily determine if you are acheiving. Defeating one is. ISIS is taking cities and large swaths of geography and the administration insists their capabilities are being degraded at the same time. They say that ISIS would be taking more land/cities more rapidly had their capabilities not been "degraded"...That is where the "degrade" plan is a farce and only used to create the illusion of a real plan/goal.

Response by SFC Robert Wheeler made May 27 at 2015 11:20 AM

SFC Robert Wheeler — Wed, 27 May 2015 11:20:01 -0400

This is a feckless hit journalism by none other than Faux News. I am not going to bother with the truth because if you agree with the idiot that wrote the peace, you don't want to hear the truth.

Response by PO1 Alan John made May 27 at 2015 11:24 AM

PO1 Alan John — Wed, 27 May 2015 11:24:21 -0400

Yes I sadly believe this is a true statement. AJ

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 27 at 2015 12:28 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 27 May 2015 12:28:34 -0400

I think ISIS is the only ones here that have a realistic plan. Everyone underestimates them. I don't know why. They think they will just beat them back. They failed over and over again. They aren't doing anything new. I don't understand how yesterday's failed strategy is going to work today. ISIS has been able to adapt and overcome. Their ability to adapt has led to their success. I plan is to hope Iraq has a plan. Iraq's plan is hope. We all have learned so far that hope isn't a plan.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Ellis made May 27 at 2015 2:22 PM

TSgt Kenneth Ellis — Wed, 27 May 2015 14:22:12 -0400

I don't think Americans want a prolonged ground war. But I do think that we should be protecting the Kurds. Let the Shia and Sunni fight it out.

Response by SSG Stephen Keown made Jun 28 at 2015 1:42 AM

SSG Stephen Keown — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 01:42:57 -0400

The trouble is He Commander in chief does not want to beat ISSI

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Jun 28 at 2015 8:20 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:20:15 -0400

OK .. back to you ...
What would the victory conditions in the Middle East look like?

Response by SSG Izzy Abbass made Jun 28 at 2015 8:37 AM

SSG Izzy Abbass — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:37:01 -0400

ISIS' vision for victory is a huge caliphate - that's a fairly grand desire. I'm sure the POTUS also has a a grand desire as well - peace across the world. When you get down to tactics, ISIS isn't hampered by the same thing the US is - we don't burn people alive, we don't want to put boots ob the ground, he has to work with a larger decision making body (Congress), etc. Not really apples to apples and not a fair question.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2015 11:51 AM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 11:51:44 -0400

I think the problem is not that he doesn't have options to create a victory but that he promised during his campaign that he wouldn't start a war. Unfortunately the war had already started and I think it's time for us to seriously go play.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 28 at 2015 11:53 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 11:53:26 -0400

This is a war with a faction that is not so easy as you would line up two forces. No one has a good idea to fight this type of war when it can come from anywhere. Obama is not in the military and it is up to the military leaders to decide how to use our forces and recommend options, his is to decide which is the best that prevents the loss of too many lives.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jun 28 at 2015 11:58 AM

LTC Bink Romanick — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 11:58:16 -0400

Fox News? How credible...hard to respond to propaganda.

Response by LTC Bink Romanick made Jun 28 at 2015 1:08 PM

LTC Bink Romanick — Sun, 28 Jun 2015 13:08:49 -0400

Daesh/ISIL is no no longer a terrorist organization, it has morphed into a conventional force capable of conducting mobile operations. The tactics that they use are those of conventional forces with the added use of horrific acts that function as PSYOPS and terrify their perspective opponents. Such have been the tactics since Genghis Khan.

DAESH/ISIL is not an existential threat to the U.S., but it does pose a significant threat to our friends in the area. Any strategy that is crafted MUST include those actors who do face an existential threat namely, Iraq, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and even Iran (and they must include the Kurds, which is a sticking point). It's a herculean task for anyone developing a strategy to unify those players. It's not our job to defeat Daesh/ISIL it's a coalition's job and holding that coalition together is like herding cats. So far, our air strikes have been fruitful, but boots on the ground is questionable.

When any news outlet publishes a piece like this, they have an agenda, it's obvious what Fox's is.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2015 1:12 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 13:12:08 -0400

Lol. ISIL has a great plan, kill everyone that is not Muslim. Perfect plan

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 5 at 2015 2:25 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 14:25:46 -0400

Has POTUS been considering all routes of solutions to the ISIS problem in order to reach a victory that would not involve the lost of American lives after 12 years of war on terror? My answer is yes!
Hubris will cause the demise of ISIS.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jul 5 at 2015 2:27 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 14:27:42 -0400

What ever POTUS has its a time limit and the enemy knows that.

Response by SFC Nikhil Kumra made Jul 5 at 2015 4:07 PM

SFC Nikhil Kumra — Sun, 05 Jul 2015 16:07:38 -0400

I think a victory for him and his party right now would be "keep my head low until I'm out of office"