ISIS is now burning children alive. When are we going in?

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Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 10:03 AM

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You know I'm pretty sure that the American people would actually support a war against isis. I would love to drop 556 on theses dudes. Damn I would deploy for just for nothing extra.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 10:05 AM

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I've never been combat arms but these guys tempt me to try to become fit enough to do special forces.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 11:29 AM

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Yes, why don't we just throw money and soldiers at the problem just like the last 3000 years of unrest and tension in the Middle East (sarcasm). Maybe I've become cynical but I'm tired of supporting American intervention and seeing nothing change except our gross national debt.

You can't give people stability and order, they have to want it for themselves. To be frank I think that these burnings and beheadings are doing wonders for the region. When the pilot was killed nearly every Muslim country and Imam came out against it and for a second I saw solidarity in the region against a common foe.

Let the situation escalate and someone over there will deal with the problem and improve themselves for accomplishing a great feat without our help.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 6:05 PM

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SSG Private RallyPoint Member ISIS isn't the only organization doing evil deed to children or human beings alive. When are we going to save the rest of the world? Or we are only going to save the part of the world the media wants us to save?

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 16 at 2015 7:35 PM

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Source info?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 7:43 PM

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I'll correct myself when I'm wrong. While I don't think the incineration of children is below ISIS, it appears that the report this morning was flawed. It was in fact a demonstration against Assad perpetuated by the Syrians. The scary thing is that ISIS is one of the many groups behind the anti-Assad movement in Syria. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2955345/The-sickest-protests-Syrian-children-young-three-dressed-orange-jumpsuits-locked-cage-activists-chilling-stunt-echoes-pilot-s-immolation-ISIS.html

Response by SPC David S. made Feb 16 at 2015 9:33 PM

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I don't see how pandering to ISIS in hopes of avoiding conflict is possible when ISIS's predilection seems so contrary to that ideal. However removing ISIS's influence from the region will do little in providing stability as the created void would slowly succumb to the next black flag waving the Islamic extremist ideologue.

The problem to fix is much greater than these factions; it is to change the environment that seems to perpetually produce, sponsor, and encourage such malformed ideology. In order to do this we would have to answer "What is the connection between ideology and war?" If we really want to mitigate this ever expanding conflict there will need to be some sort of alignment with our conflicting ideologies. But that is real work, progress, and so much harder to do than drone strikes.

So what to do? save the children by further driving in the wedge? As there is always some short term crisis/gain to be had the long term objective of regional stability will continually be put off to satisfy our conscience of the moment. Being that we live in the reality of now we have to go after those embracing an extremist ideologue as the hope of the situation self correcting seems rather optimistic to me.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2015 10:44 PM

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For the moment, it seems Islam is sacrosanct and we will do nothing. Satan must be overcome with joy....for now.

Response by SPC Larry Buck made Feb 16 at 2015 10:51 PM

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Sadly after all the witnesses are gone so we can get the oil rights!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 17 at 2015 9:23 AM

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The more we sit back the more they will continue to antagonize us. This tactic will spread until there are a hundred groups just like ISIS beheading people just because they get in the media. I say deal with them in the harshest possible way.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 9:45 AM

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I'm sure my next statement will prove to be unpopular but, I took an oath to defend the United States. That's it. I understand they are killing kids and that is horrific, but simply put, boots on the ground isn't going to solve this. You are talking a culture long established with vastly different cultural norms and expectations. We cannot change their mindset in a year, or 5 or even a decade. What do you think we have been trying to do the last 14 years? We cant even get the culture in question to accept something like Democracy, let along a diametric shift in ideals and morality. Primarily because we are looking at morality from our perspective and not from theirs. We never take the time to understand what drives the behavior, we just want a giant band aid to throw on it and call it solved. They are a progressive resistant culture and have no desire to change and that's the biggest thing. The desire to be something different isn't inherent. So we can go there and kill all the people perpetrating these current atrocities, but sooner or later, kids will start dying again. Do we continue to go over there and police the world based on our own limited and, often times hypocritical, view of morality every time some podunk little country cant seem to act like we want them to? We need to start winning wars culturally and economically. We can tactically wipe out every nation in the world as we deem fit with very little fear of effective reprisal but that will solve nothing. People will always go back to their default state unless that default is caused to change in slow and subtle ways over time.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 11:17 AM

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When are we going in? As soon as I'm the POTUS.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 18 at 2015 5:31 PM

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Anyone think ISIS members would try and cross the southern borders to initiate small scale attacks?

Response by SSgt Lucas Dyer M.S. made Feb 19 at 2015 12:48 AM

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I have looked on several reliable open source networks, and have yet to find proof they are in fact burning kids. They have threatened and even posed a photo shoot with several kids in a cage, but have yet to learn of them actually doing so. Where did you get this information from?

http://blueforcetracker.com/article/A-battle-won-by-handshakes

A battle won by handshakes

Lucas Dyer, author of "A Battle Won by Handshakes," previews his time spent in Afghanistan with the Second Marine Expeditionary Brigade and the tactics his unit employed.

Response by SSG Lloyd Becker BSBA-HCM, MBA made Feb 25 at 2015 2:52 PM

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As long as we still have this president, we will never go in.

I am one of the older Chemical NCOs who has been trained in flame warfare. And, I believe in fighting fire with fire. By using flame warfare, it will deter ISIS and will remove a vast number of their fighters.

One needs to look at it this way. There will be colateral damage; there always is. Some innocents will die, but aren't the children counted among the innocents, yet, they are being burned alive.

Once we can change presidents and if this incoming president agrees and congress, I hope they recall me, though, I am 65, I can plan the entire mission. The resources I will need are some from land and some by sea with the ability of having air power. But, I do not use bombs. Bombs are effective against certain targets, flame is effective against all targets.

Until then, all we can do is wait and see.