Isn't PDA still improper while in uniform?
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Lt. Col. Christopher Downey is trying to overturn his conviction for violating the regulation that ended the ban on gays openly serving in the military. In 2012, he tried to stop lesbian officers from 'prolonged French kissing' at a military ball. <br /><br />Isn't this a PDA issue and not a LGBT issue?<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-aviator-sues-forced-exit-lesbian-kissing-article-1.2011070">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-aviator-sues-forced-exit-lesbian-kissing-article-1.2011070</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default">
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<p class="pta-link-card-description">An active duty Army aviator could be forced to retire after he asked two female officers to stop engaging in “prolonged French kissing” during a formal ball at New York’s Fort Drum two years ago.</p>
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Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:17:14 -0500Isn't PDA still improper while in uniform?
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Lt. Col. Christopher Downey is trying to overturn his conviction for violating the regulation that ended the ban on gays openly serving in the military. In 2012, he tried to stop lesbian officers from 'prolonged French kissing' at a military ball. <br /><br />Isn't this a PDA issue and not a LGBT issue?<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-aviator-sues-forced-exit-lesbian-kissing-article-1.2011070">http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/army-aviator-sues-forced-exit-lesbian-kissing-article-1.2011070</a> <div class="pta-link-card answers-template-image type-default">
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<p class="pta-link-card-description">An active duty Army aviator could be forced to retire after he asked two female officers to stop engaging in “prolonged French kissing” during a formal ball at New York’s Fort Drum two years ago.</p>
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SPC David S.Fri, 21 Nov 2014 22:17:14 -05002014-11-21T22:17:14-05:00Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 21 at 2014 11:38 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>We talked about this at work today. It shouldn't have mattered who the couple were - gay, straight, etc. - it was an inappropriate PDA, and the LTC was right to correct it. He probably could have corrected it with a little more finesse, but still.CW5 Private RallyPoint MemberFri, 21 Nov 2014 23:38:22 -05002014-11-21T23:38:22-05:00Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Nov 22 at 2014 12:43 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I knew it was only a matter of time before someone screamed "it is because I'm gay"...<br /><br />Inappropriate public displays of affection is against regs, regardless of what your sexual orientation. Just sayin'!SPC(P) Jay HeenanSat, 22 Nov 2014 00:43:25 -05002014-11-22T00:43:25-05:00Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2014 12:48 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The interesting part of the story is that two females have already broken up. We are all required to maintain the highest standards and military bearing while we are in uniform, on duty or off duty.SCPO Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 22 Nov 2014 00:48:08 -05002014-11-22T00:48:08-05:00Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Nov 22 at 2014 9:47 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If it happened how the article said then this is PDA on the spot correction and that was my vote. But with out being there and knowing his contex for doing. But beside the point you should not be french kissing in uniform at a formal event. The only exception i have to that would be coming back from deployment. To me your spouse should expect a small make out session upon getting you back.PO2 Corey FerrettiSat, 22 Nov 2014 09:47:49 -05002014-11-22T09:47:49-05:00Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Nov 22 at 2014 10:03 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I've seen the same correction made with heterosexual couples getting too intimate at military functions. Its a matter of appropriate behavior and has ZERO to do with sexual orientation.MAJ Robert (Bob) PetrarcaSat, 22 Nov 2014 10:03:11 -05002014-11-22T10:03:11-05:00Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2014 10:36 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is absolutely a PDA issue and the LTC did the absolute right thing. It's a shame that politics got involved. Had it been a heterosexual couple that he stopped, I don't think anything would have been said!LTC Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 22 Nov 2014 10:36:51 -05002014-11-22T10:36:51-05:00Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Nov 22 at 2014 11:16 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This PC crap has got to stop! Its getting ridiculous to the point where the only thing offensive anymore is being white, male, successful, or having any manner of authority. This is how you undermine a society and allow to to crumble down to nothing, you turn everyone against those with authority, success, or are in a majority of some kind until every minority feels entitled.<br /><br />This LTC did entirely the right thing by regulations and it had nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the soldiers.<br /><br />I also have to say that I have not seen a poll on here that seems to be 100% in any one direction.CPT Zachary BrooksSat, 22 Nov 2014 11:16:49 -05002014-11-22T11:16:49-05:00Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 22 at 2014 4:24 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>PDA's are still not authorized...that's why I stopped kissing my supervisor's ass years ago!1SG Private RallyPoint MemberSat, 22 Nov 2014 16:24:59 -05002014-11-22T16:24:59-05:00Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 13 at 2015 6:27 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Pretty sure if he had stopped a male and a female, he'd be a hero for halting a sexual assault.Lt Col Private RallyPoint MemberTue, 13 Jan 2015 18:27:15 -05002015-01-13T18:27:15-05:00Response by SGT Jim Z. made Jan 14 at 2015 1:39 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Like all stories there are at least three sides if not more but what LTC Downey performed was an on the spot correction and as officers in the United States Army they should know better.SGT Jim Z.Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:39:54 -05002015-01-14T13:39:54-05:00Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 14 at 2015 6:35 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I can't make out with my boyfriend at official functions, she can't make out with her girlfriend. Plain and simple. The rules are the same for all couples across the board.A1C Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 14 Jan 2015 18:35:50 -05002015-01-14T18:35:50-05:00Response by MSgt Stephen Kammerer made Jan 21 at 2015 2:08 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>nothing to do with sexual orientation, everything to do with inappropriate display of affection in publicMSgt Stephen KammererWed, 21 Jan 2015 14:08:47 -05002015-01-21T14:08:47-05:00Response by SGT Marika Waiters made Jan 21 at 2015 5:58 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yeeeeeaah... These kinds of things just make me mad. I don't care what your sexual orientation is! When you're in uniform or at a military function, PDA is a big no no!! Hell, I don't like it out in the civilian sector!SGT Marika WaitersWed, 21 Jan 2015 17:58:23 -05002015-01-21T17:58:23-05:00Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 6:06 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This is okay and those two officers should know better and they should be fired.SSgt Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 18:06:02 -05002015-01-21T18:06:02-05:00Response by PO1 Paul Ziegler made Jan 21 at 2015 9:42 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I know from past deployments with the Navy, homecoming is a very big deal and there is a great deal of "PDA" (I had never heard of this particular term until now). It was not unheard of for a sailor to grab his wife/girl friend and enjoy a prolonged kiss on the pier. At that time, being coped up with, on the Forrestal, 5000 men for between six and fourteen months it was good to hold my wife again. <br /><br />However, at the time, there was no issue about gays in the military. The simple reason was that being gay in the military was a one way ticket to an Undesirable/Dishonorable discharge. For this reason many gay men kept their gender identity confidential. <br /><br />Gay women, on the other hand, were a different story. It seems, at least in the Navy, that lesbians have always been tolerated. Why? I honestly don't understand this either. Maybe it's the same double standard the Navy has always had about Fraternization. An enlisted "man" is not supposed to date a woman officer. In fact an enlisted "man" is not supposed to frequent the officers club. However, enlisted women are not only allowed to frequent the officers club, they seem to be encouraged to do so. I personally know of one situation in which an enlisted woman (E-4) broke up a O-4's marriage and was allowed to not only marry him, but also held a valid E-4 military ID and a valid officers dependent ID. So much for no double standards in the military.PO1 Paul ZieglerWed, 21 Jan 2015 21:42:47 -05002015-01-21T21:42:47-05:00Response by Sgt Packy Flickinger made Jan 21 at 2015 10:08 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'd like to throw a "straight pride" parade and see how they handle it. <br />Being gay doesn't give you the right to throw it around any more than a straight couple.Sgt Packy FlickingerWed, 21 Jan 2015 22:08:50 -05002015-01-21T22:08:50-05:00Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 21 at 2015 10:22 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This seems pretty clear to me, and his punishment seems more political than anything else.SSgt Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 21 Jan 2015 22:22:40 -05002015-01-21T22:22:40-05:00Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 22 at 2015 6:52 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If he was also making these on the spot corrections to opposite sex couples then I would say it was a PDA on the spot correction... however since that part of the story is omitted or never took place, I'm inclined to believe he was harassing this couple for the wrong reason instead of an acceptable one. <br /><br />It's also worth noting that he was convicted of assaulting a photographer at the scene. It seems to me, that assaulting a photographer is much more serious that singling out a gay couple for an "on the spot" correction.SSG Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 22 Jan 2015 18:52:32 -05002015-01-22T18:52:32-05:00Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jan 23 at 2015 2:21 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'm bi and to me this is about time and place not sexuality. I'm sure if a hetero couple was doing that at the Marine Corps Ball someone would jump all over that.LCpl Mark LeflerFri, 23 Jan 2015 02:21:03 -05002015-01-23T02:21:03-05:00Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 19 at 2018 3:41 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Only time I’d ok (a little) PDA is returning from a deployment.....maybe a wedding/funeral. Certainly making out at a formal event is a no-go.LCDR Private RallyPoint MemberThu, 19 Jul 2018 15:41:18 -04002018-07-19T15:41:18-04:00Response by SMSgt Lawrence McCarter made Mar 6 at 2019 10:52 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There are standards of conduct that have always been in place for public display of affection. This would apply to anyone, Homosexual or heterosexual. There is a time and place for that and not in public display in either or any case.SMSgt Lawrence McCarterWed, 06 Mar 2019 10:52:49 -05002019-03-06T10:52:49-05:00Response by Lt Col Scott Shuttleworth made Aug 20 at 2019 4:01 PM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Absoultely a PDA issue. You want to swap spit ok but not at a military function in uniform. IMHO.Lt Col Scott ShuttleworthTue, 20 Aug 2019 16:01:59 -04002019-08-20T16:01:59-04:00Response by AN Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 26 at 2020 11:25 AM
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<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>In uniform, PDA is supposed to be prohibited, no one usually says anything to a hug or a quick peck. A full French kiss between any two people while in uniform would be immediately put to a stop. No matter who it is. No one wants to see that, especially if you’re in a military uniform.AN Private RallyPoint MemberWed, 26 Feb 2020 11:25:12 -05002020-02-26T11:25:12-05:002014-11-21T22:17:14-05:00