Jefferson Davis statue removed from University of Texas campus. This will not cure rasicm or make it go away.

2015-08-31T13:45:05-04:00

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Jefferson Davis statue removed from University of Texas campus

A statue of Jefferson Davis has been removed from its place on the campus of the University of Texas at Austin after a failed appeal by a Confederate heritage group.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Aug 31 at 2015 1:49 PM

2015-08-31T13:49:31-04:00

The banality of the left. They lack adult judgment, so they descend into silliness.

Response by Sgt Kelli Mays made Aug 31 at 2015 1:51 PM

2015-08-31T13:51:52-04:00

Taking away statues is not going to stop racism. The statue is not racist. This was a president of the Confederate States....but it doesn't make him a bad person and or a racists...and especially not his statue.... I feel it's terribly shameful of these people to remove his statue.

It's down right disgusting. It's funny how this was never an issue until the North Carolina shooting by a Maniac crazed young man who wore the confederate flag on his shirt.

This is NOT going to change history....and the whole world at one time or another had slaves....so lets go bomb and take down all of the PYRAMIDS in EGYPT since they were built by slaves....and let's go BOMB everything in ROME and other Italian cities because they were built by slaves...and next thing you know there will be nothing left.

STOP THIS INSANITY!

Response by SSG Warren Swan made Aug 31 at 2015 1:52 PM

2015-08-31T13:52:48-04:00

Jefferson Davis was never an American president. Now I agree with you that this will not cure anything, and will stoke the fires even more.
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Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 31 at 2015 2:02 PM

2015-08-31T14:02:10-04:00

I agree it won't cure racism, but he also wasn't a president of the United States. That's an important differentiation.

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Aug 31 at 2015 2:02 PM

2015-08-31T14:02:51-04:00

Afraid of our own history no matter if it was a dark time for us. GROW UP AMERICA!

Response by SGT Ben Keen made Aug 31 at 2015 2:08 PM

2015-08-31T14:08:25-04:00

I look at this in a different context. I look at this in some of the same light as the negative press that circled around Happy Valley and the campus of Penn State when the statue of Joe Paterno was removed following the the whole Jerry Sandusky mess hit the fan. Both Joe Paterno and Jefferson Davis became of the faces of what people viewed as some unforgivable wrongs. Does removing their statues correct the bigger issue or race relations or the treatment of children by adults? No it does not but sadly with the way our society reacts to things, the truth, learning and healing are sometimes lost in shouts and screams for immediate actions to be taken.

Response by LTC Andrae Evans made Aug 31 at 2015 2:32 PM

2015-08-31T14:32:27-04:00

Jefferson Davis was never the president of the United States. Lincoln was!. He was an enemy of state and committed treason to enforce slavery and preserve the fallacy of white supremacy, His statue or any other Confederate should never honored. Should Benedict Arnold then get the same treatment as George Washington? Or perhaps we should erect a monument to Usama Bin Laden, with your same reasoning? All confederates denounced US Citizenship in an attempt to preserve and promote a decadent evil institution of Slavery. By Christian Grace and benevolence to end bloodshed President Lincoln (the actual and only President of the United States) Pardon the confederates and allowed them back into the Union. Facts are a tricky thing especially when enshrined in reality.

Response by SGT David T. made Aug 31 at 2015 3:12 PM

2015-08-31T15:12:39-04:00

I see things like this and find that those in favor of such things fail to account for a couple of simple things. First, the nation as we understand it today would not exist without the Civil War. Prior to the Civil War people would say "the United States ARE" after the war it became "the United States IS". So through the fires of that awful war we went from a pluralistic collection of sovereign states to a single nation. Second, had the Southern states not seceded and the war ensued, the 13th amendment would not have had enough support to pass. up until the war the policy was to compromise and not mess with slavery where it already existed. So removing symbols of the Confederacy is removing an important part of our history. We need to remember all of our history both the good and the bad so that we as a nation do not make the same mistakes again. Disclaimer: I am a northerner by birth and my ancestors wore blue during the war...

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Aug 31 at 2015 4:02 PM

2015-08-31T16:02:00-04:00

Sgt Kelli Mays You are absolutely correct. You can take down all the statutes throughout the country about our histotical past, dig up all the graves of American's that died for their cause (but let's leave up the Northern Statutes), get rid of all the Conferderate flags from our historical past, but that will not fix the problem. It's has to be directed at the root causes and statutes, graves, and flags aren't the root cause. Wake up America!

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Aug 31 at 2015 5:27 PM

2015-08-31T17:27:33-04:00

Unfortunately Sgt Kelli Mays the reinventing American history insanity will probably not go away without a fight any time soon. I expect it will diminish after the 2017 inauguration has become a dim memory though.

Response by MAJ Keira Brennan made Aug 31 at 2015 8:21 PM

2015-08-31T20:21:15-04:00

I am from Missouri - not to far from the State CSA Cemetery in Higginsvile. I have no use for the legacy of Davis, Sterling Price, N.B. Forrest and all those who refused reconciliation. IMHO they weren't honorable men. CSA General PTG Beauregard comments about Jefferson Davis’ passing in 1889, ‘Beauregard refused the honor of heading the funeral procession, saying "We have always been enemies. I cannot pretend I am sorry he is gone. I am no hypocrite."
Woodworth, Steven E. Jefferson Davis and His Generals: The Failure of Confederate Command in the West. Lawrence: University Press of Kansas, 1990. ISBN 0-7006-0461-8.
AMEN

Response by PO3 Sherry Thornburg made Aug 31 at 2015 11:33 PM

2015-08-31T23:33:04-04:00

Removing civil war remembrances will not end racism. It just removed the understanding of the era and the reasons why slavery flurished, how it was justified and the high price we paid getting rid of it. I wrote an article on the subject a while ago. Due to trying to forget something, we may be allowing it back into our lives. http://sherrythornburg.hubpages.com/hub/Flags-Symbols-and-Learning-from-History

Flags, Symbols and Learning from History

Flags are symbols with meaning. While the flag of the Confederacy may have negative connotations, it should never be washed away from public view lest we forget.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Sep 1 at 2015 3:44 AM

2015-09-01T03:44:13-04:00

Of course it won't cure it. Hopefully time and younger more open minds will. It will stop Glorifying it though.

Response by PFC Robert Falk made Sep 1 at 2015 9:59 AM

2015-09-01T09:59:27-04:00

Removing statues won't change anything. To stop rasicm you need to change people's hearts and minds.

Response by PFC Robert Falk made Sep 3 at 2015 12:04 PM

2015-09-03T12:04:52-04:00

They remove that one but what about the black panther one or any others that are trying to crush the southern history.

Response by SGT Jerrold Pesz made Sep 3 at 2015 12:23 PM

2015-09-03T12:23:14-04:00

I will start by saying that my family was not here until almost 50 years after the civil war so we were not on either side. However I think that trying to remove history is ridiculous. I would like to also point out that Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and the rest of the founding fathers were also traitors to their country and would have probably been hanged had they lost the war. However since history is written by the victors we revere them as great patriots and leaders. If we remove the civil war and the confederacy from history we invite a repeat.

Response by SPC Erich Guenther made Aug 19 at 2017 3:09 PM

2017-08-19T15:09:32-04:00

I think most of the military Civil War era stautues look pretty much the same and are ugly from an artistic point of view. So in my view most are an eyesore......good riddance. I am more on board with replacing some of them with other Civil War topics, for example how about the protective role some tribes of Native Americans played in protecting settlers from the forces of the Civil War. It happened and next to nobody knows about it. Of course there were Native American tribes that didn't remain neutral and took sides.........where are those historical statues? Why is it always the ubiquitous General Lee?

Response by SP5 Norman McGill made Aug 19 at 2017 3:53 PM

2017-08-19T15:53:16-04:00

Nope! It won't cure racism but it's one less of a contentious point for wackos to complain about. Nobody will pay to put it back anyway so forget it since it's already gone. Just remember it when you go vote again.

Response by Col Phil Yasuhara made Aug 19 at 2017 4:48 PM

2017-08-19T16:48:11-04:00

I have absolutely no probs if duly elected university, city or state officials want to remove statues of anyone or anything based upon local sentiment and popular vote. What I totally object to is the anarchy of vandalism, destruction and threats thereof, all of which are criminal acts. Baltimore was a victim of such threats. We're getting very close to government by the vocal, demonstrative, violent minority or, in other words, mob rule.