Jihad vs Crusades

2015-02-06T17:09:23-05:00

I used to (half jokingly) say that if we would have finished the Crusades we would'nt be in this mess today. It seemed that people didnt quite get what I was refering to and would give me a funny look; suggesting that I am some blood thirsty lunitic Christian. Here is a gentleman that explains it much better than I ever could, a quick 5 minute video that will leave you rethinking what you thought you knew about the crusades.

After you watch this please tell me what your oppinions are on if we Christians were wrong for the crusades.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

Bill Warner, PhD: Jihad vs Crusades

Which was worse? Watch the data and you decide. This video is part of Bill Warner's astounding lecture: "Why we are afraid. A 1400 years secret": part of a m...

Response by SGT Richard H. made Feb 6 at 2015 5:20 PM

2015-02-06T17:20:23-05:00

I've seen Dr. Warner's presentation. Interesting stuff. Definitely worth watching. There's a 45 or so minute version that goes into great detail.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 6:59 PM

2015-02-06T18:59:16-05:00

This was once upon a time part of Western Civs class and required learning when history was just taught as it was and we didn't care about offending anyone, but rather learning from the mistakes of the past so we would hopefully not repeat them in our future... And it was required learning back then...

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 8 at 2015 3:23 AM

2015-02-08T03:23:40-05:00

http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/02/06/giuliani-totally-unleashes-on-obama-after-national-prayer-breakfast-178124

Giuliani totally unleashes on Obama after National Prayer Breakfast - BizPac Review

Former New York City Mayor, Rudy Giuliani didn’t hold back about his thoughts on President Obama’s comparison of Christianity with the barbaric terrorism of ISIS during the annual National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday. Obama brought up violence by Christians in the Crusades to somehow justify the brutality brought on by ISIS just days after a …

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 2:35 PM

2015-02-08T14:35:08-05:00

Excellent post SFC Private RallyPoint Member.

Thank You for making the community more informed about the matters in today's arguments.

SSG Matthew Rowe has assisted in informing us even more as to when the change of view took place.

Response by SGT Jeremy Krantz made Feb 10 at 2015 3:44 PM

2015-02-10T15:44:33-05:00

There will never be world peace until all religions cease to exist.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 13 at 2015 8:05 AM

2015-02-13T08:05:57-05:00

There are a bit of similarities but I will copy and paste my college paper.

Similarities and differences between Islamic and Christian extremism
“The only thing more dangerous than an idea is a belief. And by dangerous I don't mean thought-provoking. I mean: might get people killed.” Sarah Vowell. Religion by its very nature is something to fight and possibly die for in its defense as you are fighting for your God and thus your afterlife. Differences in religious beliefs have been the catalyst for wars and conflicts since before the beginning of written human history. The old adage “Religion is responsible for more wars than another cause”, can be argued by historians and other scholars, they both agree that religion in the wrong hand can cause man to do horrific things. While religion can be a tool for “evil” actions or plans, I want to establish that no one thing can that was created by man or deity can be inherently good or evil and that the individual man or women that shape the actions of other are solely responsible for the actions of the organization not the organization itself. Islamic extremism and fundamentalism have been closely associated with the rise of Islamic terrorism in the late 20th century and continuing to present. Names like Abu Bakir Al Baghdadi, Osama Bin Laden, and Mullah Mohammed Omar are household names when it comes to religious extremism and terrorism and terrorism to accomplish their goals. Conversely, lesser known individuals such as Pope Urban II, Godfrey of Bouillon, and Count Emicho of Leininge who utilized many peasant or lower class European Christian’s religious beliefs as a facade to consolidate Catholic power in the middle east.
The first crusade was initially started by Pope Urban II officially to fight against the Seljuk Turks at the behest of the Byzantine Emperor Alexius I Comnenus. However, it was an attempt to bring the Byzantine Church back into the Roman Catholic Church, retaking Jerusalem and restoring Christendom to the Middle East, thus limiting or completely removing Islamic influence from the Holy Land (James "Christians and the First Crusade"). Pope Urban II used religious fervor and exploited the fringes and poor of Europe by offering Indulgences. “The crusades were presented as penitential acts of devotion and powerful inducements for the atonement of all worldly sins” (James "Christians and the First Crusade"). While the Catholic Church’s more secular goals are known through modern historical accounts, lesser know individuals such as the aforementioned Godfrey of Bouillon who “had vowed that he would not set out for the Crusade until he had avenged the crucifixion by spilling the blood of the Jews, declaring that he could not tolerate that even one man calling himself a Jew should continue to live” ("Christian-Jewish Relations: The Crusades"). This sentiment was used aginist both the Jewish and Muslim communities that were located in areas that were captured by Crusader forces. When Crusader forces took Jerusalem the Jewish community living in Jerusalem was massacred and the survivors were sold into slavery. While officially the Church did not endorse the killing of Jews. The Catholic Church was responsible for creating a religious fury that caused individuals supporting the Catholic Church to seek revenge against individuals who were not Christian.
To the western world Islam and extremism are almost synonymous with each other and also words like terrorism or jihad are often used to describe this religion. As stated individuals like Abu Bakir Al Baghdadi, Osama Bin Laden, and Mullah Mohammed Omar are individuals who are well known to use Islamic extremism to wage war against the western world. However, just like how the Catholic Church the first crusade modern Muslim extremist use the guarantee of heaven to recruit their fighters for Jihad. The term “Jihad draws its theological justification directly from the Qur'an. In Arabic, the word jihad translates as "striving" or "expenditure of effort;" jihad may even seem inconsequential and unimportant, given the word only appears in the Qur'an four times” (Levine "Conflicts of Ideology in Christian and Muslim Holy War"). Based on the fact that Jihad in the Qur’an exist but is not emphasized, means that individuals have molded a non-specific term like Jihad to fit their agenda. Unlike the Catholic Church’s recruitment practices during the crusades, modern Muslim extremist have the abilities to use the internet to spread its messages, plan operations, and recruit using social media. While the Catholic Church’s goals were regionally aligned to the recapture of the Jerusalem.