Jordanian response to ISIS's execution of their Pilot (Edited)

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 17:21:17 -0500

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The Jordanian Pilot, Moaz al-Kassasbeh, was executed by being set on fire. Jordan threatened ISIS by killing all of their prisoners. They also neighbor Syria and can potential strike ISIS with Ground operations. This puts another Arab Country in a very fragile situation. ISIS is clearly on a war path with anyone but will this lead to yet another war front? Will a Coalition be formed now to launch major military operations against ISIS? Jordan is a major ally of the US. What role will we play.
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As the ISIS threat is spreading some countries are thrust into a pivotal role in the fight against ISIS. Jordan is fast becoming a very important ally is this fight. They are partnering with US soldiers in their country. With their captured pilot in the hands of ISIS they were offered to make a prisoner trade or they will kill the pilot. Now that deal fell through. Now Jordan is threatening ISIS to kill all of their captured prisoners by hanging them if they kill their pilot.

Is this response appropriate? Would the US maintain their alliance if Jordan does execute all of their ISIS prisoners in response to their pilot being killed? Should the US take a lesson from Jordan?

*Some background. King Abdullah II of Jordan was a former Commando in the Jordanian Armed Forces and commanded his country's Special Operations Units. He was also educated in the West. He spent several years in the U.K. and the US.

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Jan 30 at 2015 5:44 PM

CSM Michael J. Uhlig — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 17:44:38 -0500

Not so sure we (our leadership/government) would condone their actions publicly however, I am positive many would applaud the action privately!

Taking an action like that would prove the Jordanians believe in Deeds not Words.....and who don't like that

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 30 at 2015 8:36 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:36:57 -0500

I love how the US says they disagree with Jordan because they are "negotiating with terrorists" but the way I see it we have no room to talk because we traded 5 high level Al-Quada leaders for 1 deserting treasonous soldier who should be given a court-martial, demoted, lose all benefits, given a dishonorable discharge, and sent to prison.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jan 30 at 2015 10:27 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Fri, 30 Jan 2015 22:27:06 -0500

I like the policy of never negotiating with terrorists, but getting back a qualified fighter pilot for a failed suicide bomber seems like deal to me.

Response by SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S. made Jan 31 at 2015 12:49 PM

SFC Dan Sorrow, M.S. — Sat, 31 Jan 2015 12:49:06 -0500

Usually when you fight fire with fire, you get burned. There are exceptions, such as a controlled burn to kill of wild growth to prevent wide-spread fires.

I think that's what Jordan is doing here. You sometimes have to one-up the idiots/bully's who think they own the playground. I like Lewis Black's approach to terrorist. You have to show them that you're crazier than they are and aren't afraid. His example was to re-elect and swear in a dead President Ronald Reagan. Drive his hearse down Pennsylvania Blvd, open the back door, prop him up, and swear him in. The terrorist will leave us the hell anyone.

Go ahead Jordan! You're closer to the action than I am. Desperate times in your backyard and near your playground. Hang 'em all, but be ready.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 3 at 2015 1:23 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:23:40 -0500

My God!

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 3 at 2015 1:27 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:27:29 -0500

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31121160

Jordan pilot hostage Moaz al-Kasasbeh 'burned alive' - BBC News

Jordan confirms the death of pilot Moaz al-Kasasbeh after a video published online by Islamic State claims to show him being burned alive.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 1:28 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:28:31 -0500

My guess is that there would be some public statement that the US doesn't condone and condemns non-judicial executions, etc., etc. but we'd probably pay for the rope to hang them with behind the scenes. I wish sometimes the US had the balls to step up our game like this.

**By that I meant the execution of all ISIS prisoners in retaliation...in case that wasn't clear**

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Feb 3 at 2015 1:30 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:30:29 -0500

I may be disabled, chubby, and yes....even have tattoos, but I will answer my country's call if they will take me. I was medically retired against my will anyway.

Response by COL Jean (John) F. B. made Feb 3 at 2015 1:41 PM

COL Jean (John) F. B. — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 13:41:54 -0500

Not sure how much more proof our Administration needs to determine that ISIS is a threat that will not go away until they are eradicated from the earth. Rhetoric and political posturing will do nothing but further embolden them.

If we do not take decisive action now, we will see things like this happening in our own country. We cannot afford to sit idly by and allow ISIS to continue to grow in strength, wealth and "popularity". They continue to recruit more and more fanatical followers and will continue to spread their atrocities until they are stopped by an overwhelming force, not words. The USA cannot sit this one out and expect our alleged "allies" to carry the water. Without US leadership and support (and that includes military action, not just advice), they will not be stopped.

Response by SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA made Feb 3 at 2015 2:00 PM

SGT Steven Eugene Kuhn MBA — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:00:23 -0500

Simple, let Jordan do as they wish and we move the heck out of the theater, Iran and others will help Jordan. We have been done for sometime now in that region. Let them kill themselves off.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Feb 3 at 2015 2:11 PM

SGT Bryon Sergent — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:11:43 -0500

I say that it is a good response. We used to do stuff similar. Maybe not hanging them, but sending a 2000 lb JDAM through the bathroom window! cough"Qaddafi"cough!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 2:15 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:15:55 -0500

The Jordanians, like many Arab tribes, live by the code of revenge. "An eye for an eye" is usually acceptable policy in this part of the world. I hope Jordan is emboldened to further bring the fight to ISIS. I think the time for decisive military action is long overdue. These guys need to be stopped yesterday.

Response by LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® made Feb 3 at 2015 2:17 PM

LTC David S. Chang, ChFC®, CLU® — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:17:47 -0500

This is so sad to see. They are now killing their own people. I think it is a matter of time before they have splinter groups and start a civil war within ISIS.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Feb 3 at 2015 2:28 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:28:11 -0500

I don'tknow what ISIS is trying to accomplish with this execution. Jordan is NOT someone they want to piss off. Unlike Iraq, Syria or even Saudi Arabia, Jordan's military is actually competent and won't back down from a fight.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 2:58 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:58:51 -0500

If it was me, I would have pilots air drop every single ISIS member back to them, minus the parachute.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 3:08 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:08:51 -0500

I legitimately hate Fu$%ing ISIL. I would proudly swap my stapler for an M249 and hop over there and volunteer to be in the field again.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 3:50 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 15:50:09 -0500

Can we please just deploy a nuclear device somewhere in ISIS-controlled territory everytime this happens?

Response by Cpl Jeff N. made Feb 3 at 2015 5:26 PM

Cpl Jeff N. — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:26:50 -0500

From the President:

"It's just one more indication of the viciousness and barbarity of this organization," said President Obama, who planned to meet Tuesday evening with Jordan's King Abdullah, who was in Washington. "And I think it will redouble the vigilance and determination on the part of the global coalition to make sure that they are degraded and ultimately defeated.”

I am sure this has ISIS highly concerned....7 or 8 beheadings later, a large swath of Iraq and Syria under their control, thousands murdered and now we're move on to live burnings. To our President this is "just one more indication". We are in real trouble if we don't get on offense quickly.