Killing the Jordanian pilot by burning him alive; has ISIS finally crossed the line? What should the US do?

2015-02-03T18:23:38-05:00

ISIS and terrorists have been committing atrocities for a long time now. How much more can happen before the United States gets more actively involved? Will it take another 9/11 type event before the president finally takes the threat serious. He has a difficult time even labeling them as terrorists in some instances.

There is now proof that ISIS burned a captured Jordanian pilot alive. can the United States still stand by while atrocities like this continue?

Is it time for the President of the United States to become more active in combating the growing ISIS threat? They have made direct threats against the United States, attacked citizens in other countries, and have a growing number of followers globally, including the US.

What do you think the US should do?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/03/new-isis-video-purpotedly-shows-jordanian-pilot-being-burned-alive/

Jordan executes 2 prisoners after ISIS video shows pilot being burned alive

A new video that surfaced on the Internet Tuesday appears to show ISIS burning alive a Jordanian pilot the terror group has held since December.

Response by SGT Jim Z. made Feb 3 at 2015 6:28 PM

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They crossed the line when they started beheading people but there latest antic is definitely crossing another line. I hope that Jordan does what they planned if they did not get their pilot back and I hope that the world backs them. The worse thing is they are not a nation or a government. It is time that POTUS steps up the game and realizes that airstrikes alone are not the answer and he needs to build a coalition with the world and take the fight to these bastards.

Response by COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM made Feb 3 at 2015 6:31 PM

2015-02-03T18:31:58-05:00

- Has ISIS crossed the line? BLUF: the line was crossed several months and several events ago.
- Beheadings. Seven civilian hostage beheadings and counting if I am tracking correctly.
- Murders. Thousands and counting in Syria and Iraq. I am not talking killing enemy fighters. I am talking murders of non combatants.
- Rapes/Slavery. Thousands and counting. Probably will never know the true numbers.
- Forced conversions and refugee displacement. IE convert to Islam or die, pay a tax if you don't convert, or the minimal "we will just make life miserable for you so just leave.
- Executions for watching soccer. You see that report? Killed 17 teenagers for watching a soccer game on TV. Propaganda on our part and never happened? Possible but not probably given the other evidence.
- POW. Burned Jordanian pilot alive. Not exactly in accordance with the Geneva Conventions.
It is WAY past time for a coalition and the Muslim world to confront Islamic Terrorism. Your guess is as good as mine on if/when this will happen.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 6:33 PM

2015-02-03T18:33:47-05:00

I think they have crossed "the line," LCpl Steve Wininger, by burning the Jordanian pilot to death. Beheadings are really across that line as well, but there's something about making a person suffer death by burning that doesn't sit right with me.

When I took Intro to Terrorism 101 back in the 1980s, our professor (an Arab gentleman) told us that terrorists have to be careful not to alienate the population they are trying to influence with their actions. Burning another Muslim is probably not wise for ISIS. They seem to be all about shocking the world. They're succeeding in that, but I think they're going to fizzle out (or be snuffed out) if they continue down this path.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 7:02 PM

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In the eyes of the world, ISIS has crossed the line by miles. Unfortunately, the current administration still believes appeasement is the appropriate response.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 7:16 PM

2015-02-03T19:16:24-05:00

ISIS crossed the line a while ago. We keep making a new line and they cross it again. Now they are going to execute the failed suicide bomber in retaliation. Stand by with your bags packed as its about to get hot and heavy for the US shortly. IMHO.

Response by MSG Scott McBride made Feb 3 at 2015 7:40 PM

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That is one of the most disturbing scenes I have ever watched. These ISIS M'Frs need to be stopped. I am sick of playing games with these pricks. It's time to handle business shock and awe style, if there is collateral damage, then they shouldn't have been in the way.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 8:22 PM

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The US should continue to urge the countries of the Middle East and North Africa to face this threat head on.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 10:39 PM

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Yes, this is a group that has lost any shred of humanity. Like Hitler's Germany it has to be obliterated to bring peace back to the region. I'd like for it not to be the US that does all that work but rather the regional countries that are directly affected.

Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Feb 3 at 2015 10:40 PM

2015-02-03T22:40:50-05:00

If Im Jordanian, they've certainly crossed the line. Id called for immediate action! As an American, i dont want to be baited into fighting another country's battles, AGAIN!!! ISIS has killed Iraqis, Syrians, Americans, Japanese, and a Jordanian. Its an international crisis, not American-specific. The international community should deal with it, and stop expecting us to do everything

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 10:53 PM

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Unfortunately, with the current administration I fear whether they have the stomach to do anything. The only reason I feel we should be involved in this again is because they guys make Hitler look like a cozy house guest. It is time to eradicate this rotten group of asses. I hope POTUS has the stomach for it, because it is time to go back, and do the job right.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 10:55 PM

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BLUF: King Abdullah has 0 f@#(s to give about those ISIS cowards. He's going to kill them all.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 11:09 PM

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We can hurt them here and there, but they are an enemy we cannot defeat and a cancer we cannot cut out. The best chance we have to rid the world of them is for them to go too far for even the Muslim world; for the remaining Muslims to turn on ISIS, to be just as ruthless and without conscience as they are and to fight fire with fire. Beheadings, rapes, slavery and mass murders don't seem to bother the Muslim world so we'll see if burning another Muslim alive will cause them to raise an eyebrow. I hope this is the event that will start that --- but I'm not going to hold my breath.

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Feb 3 at 2015 11:10 PM

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As I see it, this President is going to do nothing. How many line has he drawn already again different acts of indignity vomited to not only us but people around the world and still each time a "red" line is crossed he backs of and says he wants to talk about it first. We can no longer expect our President, for that matter, our government to do the thing that are right for fear it might ruin their re-election chances. Mother's gather your children close, we are surely in for some major problems and many we will not have time to defend against or stop. If you believe in a higher power, I think now is time, if not past time, to ask for help and director. If you don't believe in a higher power, break out the gun oil anyway, you are going to need it!!!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 3 at 2015 11:23 PM

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Theres allot oit there that seems to make ISIS and the middle east in general a very complicated problem. However it does not require a complicated solution. Sadam husain was bad we kill sadam husain ISIS is bad we kill ISIS the taliban north korea all bad we need to stop concentrating on how complicated it all seems and who we will upset and kill the bad guys. To more directly answer the question with the current administration right or wrong i do not think we will see signifigant action against ISIS or other bad people. We can only hope whoever is elected in 2016 sees the evil in the world and sees the oppertunity to do good by eliminating evil. As it says in the declaration of independence (im para phrasesing sorry cant remember word for word ) those who have the ability to stop evil have the responsability to do so

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 12:13 AM

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They crossed a lot of lines long before this one.
They have made a mistake. This will draw a very serious response from Jordan, and they are a position to really throw a punch. They will rue the day.

I think it will be interesting to note the contrast between what Jordan does in response to this versus what the USA did when our citizens were beheaded. I think we will learn something about ourselves.
What do we stand for?
What do we stand against?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 12:59 AM

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They may have crossed the line with Jordan, but I fail to see how that is our concern. They have not attacked us, as in the country of USA. The unfortunate deaths of the AMCITS, were due to their decision to venture into Syria. I feel for them, but that does not constitute an attack on the U.S.
I think you have to ask yourself, does this meet Just War Theory? I do not believe it does for the U.S. It most likely does for Iraq, Syria, Jordan, and other middle eastern countries. ISIS will never be a threat to the continential US. There may be small attacks, but nothing that will end up with them conquering the U.S.

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Feb 4 at 2015 2:15 AM

2015-02-04T02:15:05-05:00

This guesting strikes a my very core. If we don'the take the line drawing stick away from this President, soon we will be enjoying rice and cockroaches with the little fat boy in North Korea. He drew the line, hundreds of children got gased and died, he drew the line, nuclear bombs are being developed while we sit at a table discussing when they will quit, they won't, they will just talk until they blow us up. He has alienated our most reliable allies and supported groups against them. Wake up America we are in deep "doo-doo". Our President is only worry ed about how history will look at him, he should not be, because I am sure the will be a couple of chapters directed at him entitled "How I Single Handedly Destroyed America". Too many of us old vets and a lot of you younger ones too have already seen this, we always fought to win, now we fight until the buffet runs out.

Response by SFC Collin McMillion made Feb 4 at 2015 2:23 AM

2015-02-04T02:23:07-05:00

I would just like to add on more thing to the 2 comments I have already made........"Don't thank me and welcome me home", please send this old vet back to do the job I was so well trained to do!!!!!!

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Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Feb 4 at 2015 5:07 AM

2015-02-04T05:07:55-05:00

Jordan executed 2 people but I'm just not too sure if it was the right 2.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 6:45 AM

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Very disturbing video and very hard to watch. But Im afraid many will be offended but wish to take no action. It will never mean much to the average American citizen because it doesn't personally affect them. And I believe many do not really believe ISIS has that much influence on any action on U.S. soil.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 7:00 AM

2015-02-04T07:00:55-05:00

Yet another line crossed by the scum known as terrorists.

At least I get to hear the roar of the jets as they take off heavily laden to go distribute presents to the Islamic State's "bravest" and [soon to be] brightest.

Response by Sgt Jay Jones made Feb 4 at 2015 7:42 AM

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L/Cpl Steve Wininger, thank you for selecting this topic. In my opinion ISIS is a cancer that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth. I do not believe they represent those who believe in the Islamic faith. I am not a fan or supporter of the Islamic faith, but it appears to me that most of the people being killed by ISIS are other Muslims. I fail to see how they can even justify their actions. Regarding the Jordanian pilot who was "burned alive", recent intelligence evaluations are questioning whether or not the pilot was in fact already dead. Not that this makes it better, but the thought of being burned alive is an horrific and painful death, but the pilot is still dead not matter if before or during the burning. What should be done with ISIS? First the United States needs to explore where they are getting their recruits from. As I understand one origin is a particular Mosque in Minnesota. I would infiltrate this Mosque to find out how these young people are being convinced to join the ISIS forces. Another source of recruits are our very own prisons. We need to look into our judicial system and prison system and determine alternative incentives to offer inmates to keep them from turning to Islam and thus ISIS. We must also employ the talents of the CIA to increase our HUMIT. Electronic intelligence is a great aid, but nothing beats Human Intelligence. This is the only way we will be able to reduce ISIS's numbers, by killing them!

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 9:36 AM

2015-02-04T09:36:18-05:00

When it come to this young Jordanian warrior being burned alive I don't think that the US should do a damn thing. Jordan needs to send in some ass kickers though to take vengeance on ISIS for killing their pilot. The US can help out, but we shouldn't be the main ones cracking the skulls of ISIS for this. If I was King Abdullah of Jordan I would be sending in so many troops to where ISIS wouldn't have time to breathe. I would be slaughtering ISIS members and sympathizers left and right if I was His Majesty. They just called the bluff of His Royal Highness, so now what is he going to do about it?

Now, I do believe that we (as in the US) need to make a damn decision. Are we fighting ISIS or are we not fighting ISIS?

Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Feb 4 at 2015 10:23 AM

2015-02-04T10:23:01-05:00

I'm going to focus on the second question. What do we do?

I'm outside the military now. Maybe I see things differently. First, I know that the men and women in uniform can and will accomplish any mission that CAN be accomplished. However...

How do we kill ISIS? I submit that ISIS is an idea, implemented by men. You cannot kill an idea. We can kill the fighters, but how do we stop the "pipeline" of fighters? I challenge anyone out there to show me an example where military power ALONE stopped an idea from spreading. I will not go into the idea behind ISIS.

Many mention the "evil" nature of ISIS and its actions. I do not believe that Evil can be killed or destroyed by a military. I'm afraid that trying to destroy Evil is a bottomless grave. I'm not saying that we must look away because there's nothing we can do. Our military is capable of tremendous achievements. I'm saying that as a nation, we need to decide EXACTLY what we can do, then decide if we're WILLING to do that. In my worldview, we can "fight and suppress" Evil and push back The Darkness. As long as men walk the earth, Evil exists.

I want these vile, cowardly criminals stopped as much as anyone. I'm concerned that our rush to "do something" may result in throwing more Americans into a fight where they don't have an end-state (I.e., a realistic set of ROEs).

If it was my golf course, I'd go after the cowards giving speeches and professing to know the will of their god. Kill the people spreading the poison and MAYBE the more moderate voices will turn off the pipeline.

I have FULL and UNQUALIFIED confidence in the ability of the US military. I'm concerned that there's no actionable "end state" set of military objectives.

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Feb 4 at 2015 11:45 AM

2015-02-04T11:45:49-05:00

Absolutely nothing, that's what. This isn't our problem. Everyone always begs America to take the lead and curb-stomp terrorists all across the globe. Then when we do it, they scream at us for doing a good job of it. Let Jordan and Japan handle their own problem. Let the Kurds and the Iraqis handle their own problems. If they want to take their sob story somewhere, take it to the UN and see what kind of response they get. America shouldn't be the whole world's big brother that will win fights for them.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 12:09 PM

2015-02-04T12:09:59-05:00

I dont think the US should do anything in retaliation of this; however I think that Jordan should stick to their promise of kiling the prisoners in return and I hope that the Jordanians cover them in pigs blood first.

just my 2 cents worth.

Response by SFC Jason Porter made Feb 4 at 2015 12:42 PM

2015-02-04T12:42:44-05:00

Question is what is the world going to do about it? Bombing ISIS is not enough! This is WWIII in the making! The Japanese and the NAZIs where equally as ruthless as ISIS.

Response by SPC Angel Guma made Feb 4 at 2015 12:57 PM

2015-02-04T12:57:54-05:00

Simply being ISIS they already crossed the line. I think the real question here is how many more 'line crossings' are needed before people step up.

And I also think, far be it for me to say it, the US should remain out of this boondoggle.

Response by SPC David S. made Feb 4 at 2015 3:37 PM

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I think by killing a Muslim Jordanian in such a manner really exposes the true sociopathic tendencies used by ISIS's. However other than Jordan I feel that this will do little in alienating them from other Muslim nations such a Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates as they seem comfortable in allowing the funding of ISIS from their citizens. I would bet that there are more Jordanians on the side of ISIS as with their own government. The father of the man who was burned alive was against Jordan fighting ISIS before he lost his son. Obviously now he thinks they should be eradicated. I also feel that the Muslim faith is danger close to a tipping point where the faith has lost its roots to its more compassionate side from any external perspective which will only further alienate it beyond any hopes of some sort of civil discourse. Many in France already believe there will be a civil war within France involving non-Muslims against Muslims much along the line of the Albigensian Crusade disposing of Catharism which also helped start the Medieval Inquisition. Hopefully not but I feel much like the waxing and waning of the moon the cycles of genocide between Muslims and Christians will continue until there is only one.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 3:56 PM

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I'm sure the POTUS takes stand, but he is overall careful with the words he chooses. As soon as we catch on to a word, a new set of words are used. ex. ISIS turned into ISIL I'm not sure when or why Syria turned into Levant, but one day it did. This tactic provides a lot of confusion, and by the time the guy in the news makes their sense of what was said, the way it will sale newspapers, the truth is diluted and over influenced. I have a feeling there are people hunting down the bad guys at times, when our intel allows, and the POTUS doesn't make all the calls on movement around the world.
These efforts take money and great timing, without either we're limited. I, with the masses, think that it would be great to go do something, but what is that something going to cost us to maybe improve someone else's situation? We could afford another effort but with our country being in two wars over the last 14 years, should we not reflect inward a bit more, and just insure the situation is going to leak over to here. We have home grown cells here in the states, I think perhaps that should be a big concern. Let the Armies rest and rebuild before it crumbles like Rome. I'm sure you've reviewed The Art of War?

Response by PV2 Abbott Shaull made Feb 4 at 2015 4:35 PM

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Our response should be what we did in Afghanistan in after 9/11. To curtail what them. Not doing so, at this time doesn't make sense. Why not take care of them while, before they get entrenched. Giving more kids time to flee to join them.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 5:21 PM

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ISIS or ISIL, whichever they are going by this week is an ideology. Therein lies the problem. The only way to defeat an ideology is to destroy everyone, and everything that was ever part of it. As long as a book, or a person, or a webpage or paper or anything remains that pertained to those beliefs, people will still follow it. Until ISIS is wiped from the planet, utterly, totally, and completely, they will be a threat to our way of life, no matter how much those in positions of power try to say otherwise.

Response by SPC Charles Griffith made Feb 4 at 2015 6:21 PM

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They crossed the line when they chose Terrorism as their form of diplomacy. Not to sound uncaring or heartless but I been waiting to see how far the World is going to allow them to go??? Will this suffice or are we as in THE WORLD going to wait till they do this to a whole Class of schoolkids???

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 6:37 PM

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Just watched it...my problems seem pretty small right about now.

Response by Cpl Anthony Pearson made Feb 4 at 2015 8:26 PM

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Is this too much? :) If so, Admins and RallyPoint friends and family, I apologize.

You know I'm pretty much polite and professional here, and if this get's pulled from the thread, I promise I won't do it again. You have my word.

With that said....

F*CK ISIS.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 8:55 PM

2015-02-04T20:55:04-05:00

Let the punishment fit the crime-- White Phosphorus and/or Napalm strikes on any/everywhere ISIS are to be found.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 9:36 PM

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Call me an extremist if you like, but we have a lot of bombs in the AF inventory that we need to get rid of. It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if we could save who we can and carpet bomb the rest. Peace the old fashion way.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 4 at 2015 11:18 PM

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I hate to say, but it frankly will require another major atrocity to the US to commit us to that fight soon. Frankly I believe that war with IS will be used as a political tool with election season coming up in the near future. Public opinion will weigh heavily on talking points from candidates and that's how we'll take the next step into the fight.

Response by PO3 Jeff Lane made Feb 5 at 2015 12:44 AM

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The White house can not keep sugar coating the islamic state into just the jv team any longer. We as a nation must stand up to this barbaric act of inhuman torture and murder of defenseless human beings. No matter what nationality they are we must as the most powerful nation in the world protect them. We can no longer stand by and have our leaders pretend to have a plan to end this terror on the world. We must require them to build a proper plan and make it happen! I don't want to see any of my service member brothers and sisters ever have to feel what this poor soul felt in his last minute of life. This must be stopped and it must be stopped soon or more and more of these grizzly murders will take place. There and sooner or later here it will happen again. Please Mr. President do what is right and just and take these barbarians out.

Response by SGT Mark Sullivan made Feb 5 at 2015 1:32 AM

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Honestly, I think the line was crossed back in the days with the Beirut Marine Barracks bombings all the way to present day. This event is the tip of the iceberg. It's turned heads in the Middle East. Up to this point and time, the countries in the Middle East tolerated the Terrorists, now that it's turned against them, they've had enough. Personally, the western world has fallen into this chapter of Chamberlainesque appeasement. The terrorists commit an act of terrorism, and the western world asks itself, how can WE change to make it to these people. This is the same mentality PM Chamberlain had when Germany invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938, and yet, the Free World did nothing.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Feb 5 at 2015 8:59 AM

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LCpl Steve Wininger, I think they crossed the line a long time ago. The U.S. and other countries simply need to get together, stand up and crush them. In the words of General James Mattis, USMC Retired, "Find the enemy that wants to end this experiment (in American democracy) and kill every one of them until they’re so sick of the killing that they leave us and our freedoms intact.”

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 9:36 AM

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I don't think this is where they crossed the line...they crossed the line a LONG time ago. This is just another in a long list of atrocities.

Brutal as it is, the burning of a single pilot doesn't strike me as somehow crossing a line that wasn't already crossed by the executions of thousands in the path of ISIL prior to this event.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 9:40 AM

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Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Feb 5 at 2015 10:16 AM

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I'm sorry for the pilot and his family, but Jordan should strike hard without mercy. The U.S shouldn't have to be a part in it unless Jordan is being badly beaten, I'm tired of the U.S being involve in other countries problems we have way more than enough here to solve. Is it worth sacrificing our lives for other countries? Don't forget who was rejoicing on that tragic day September 11, 2001 in the U.S and other parts of the world.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 10:54 AM

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They have crossed the line since they started. The summary execution of men, women and babies because of their Christian Faith.

Response by SSG Paul Lanciault made Feb 5 at 2015 2:03 PM

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I have hoped that behind the scenes we were doing "something". But seeing this group grow in their disregard for human life tells me I have been wrong. How these hooded cowards can hold the world hostage for so long baffles me. Its not just the United States, many other countries have been victimized and need to "Toe the line" with us. If we do show these people the violence of action we are capable of, and I think we should, we need to make sure we finish the job. They have sowed, now let them reap, 10 fold.

Response by SPC Joseph F Dolloff made Feb 5 at 2015 2:44 PM

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Sorry to say this, but I think they should have taken out several areas, years ago, when they found evidence of terrorist training camps. For a country to allow that kind of activity to continue, in my eyes, is an act of war. We are just too politically correct, to have taken the necessary actions, to extinguish that fire, before it spread. Now look where we are? They have no respect for life, let alone the Geneva Convention. Time to go "Airborne" on them all!

Response by Cpl Robert Clark made Feb 5 at 2015 4:00 PM

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Islam is a lie from the pit of hell.

Response by SFC Vernon McNabb made Feb 5 at 2015 4:45 PM

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The "line" was crossed well before this incident. Do I want to go to war again? Not really. Would I, if it meant stopping this crap? Absolutely! Would I be willing to stay there until the job was complete, and ISIS was eradicated ? Yes I would!

Response by Cpl William Wood made Feb 5 at 2015 6:24 PM

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We should go in and do what the USA always does. Be the 911 force of the world

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 5 at 2015 7:26 PM

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My answer may not be the easiest thing to digest. Short and sweet, short of using bugs, gas and nukes, I say ISIS gets a taste of their own medicine. If they want to take and kill prisoners in the gruesome ways that they do, why should the coalition show them any quarter? They need to experience exacting, swift and brutal obliteration in a similar manner that they are dishing out. They are like that punk who keeps talking smack to and hitting the person trying to walk away. THEY ARE BEGGING FOR A BEATDOWN!!! Will it take an American Service Member being captured and set on fire alive or beheaded before they finally get the business? Only time will tell I suppose.

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Feb 5 at 2015 8:05 PM

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Burning that pilot alive is disgusting and disgraceful beyond any words I can type into this thread. Makes me sick and angry.

Response by SSG Mannix Brooks made Feb 5 at 2015 10:07 PM

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When we tried to convince people what the threat was but it was a case of chicken little syndrome because of "faulty" intel Iraq. We all know what we are supposed to know and heard so who is to say it was really faulty or the true extent of the threat was too much for public consumption, but I digress this is about ISIS after all. Well the sky still is not falling but the world is crawling with a mutant version of the Al Qaeda cockroach called ISIS. Air "raid" is not working because the roaches keep hiding in the crevices of bombed out buildings so it's time to do what the Orkin man does, kill them at the source, on the ground. Let the Arab countries deal with the Syrian government and any reconstruction needed so our objective is simple, kills those clowns before they cause more damage. Al Qaeda confined most of their efforts running us out of the Middle East and the Taliban to get us out of Afghanistan. ISIS is a problem for the entire world and must be eliminated before they get their hands on WMD's like chemical weapons which are a known to exist in Syria. The scary part is, they in all likelihood, have some already.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 2:40 AM

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Yes, I'm afraid it will take another world wide event before we can unite as a nation, or unify against the atrocities towards humanity....lest the liberals forget.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 3:46 AM

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This isn't specifically an "American" problem. It's time for middle east countries to start standing on their own feet and take up arms against those like ISIS who clearly can't get along well with others.

In my opinion, after being stationed in Bahrain for a hot minute, it seems to be the practice of many nations in the gulf to sit back and watch from their protected borders as other countries are torn apart from the inside by radicals. The only time they decide to take any action is when members of ISIS are knocking on their front door. The Jordanians had to learn this the hard way with the gruesome execution posted online for the entire world to see.

Unfortunately, this also scared one of our allies in the region, the UAE, to leave the coalition...

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uae-leaves-coalition-against-isis-us-ally-halted-air-strikes-after-moaz-al-kasasbeh-capture-1486658

I'm sorry but if you're a pilot one of the major risks is getting shot down and captured. If you can't accept that then it's time to find another line of work. The UAE could learn a lesson about self-reliance from Jordanian Foreign Minister Nasser Judeh.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/05/world/isis-jordan/index.html?eref=rss_topstories

In regards to ISIS, congratulations you have the world's attention. Let's see how long you last.

UAE leaves coalition against Isis: US ally halted air strikes after Moaz al-Kasasbeh capture

UAE halted air strikes against Islamist militants after Jordan pilot was captured.

Response by SPC Steven Depuy made Feb 6 at 2015 8:17 AM

2015-02-06T08:17:57-05:00

I did find the response from Jordan almost comical. Like, OK, now you pissed us off, we are going to really try now? Am I a moron, or did anyone else kind of get that take from their statement after that happened.

Response by SGT Patrick Abrams made Feb 6 at 2015 8:25 AM

2015-02-06T08:25:27-05:00

Not to ruffle any feathers or talk politics, but we should have done something a long time ago. If we had a CIC worth more there would be divisions with boots aground. I don't like seeing America in another war but I fought hard in that hell hole and I have eight to many folded flags sitting on desk from close friends to see all our hard work pissed away from the pansy ass whatever that it seems America has turned in to. End rant for the day

Response by PV2 Glen Lewis made Feb 6 at 2015 10:36 AM

2015-02-06T10:36:18-05:00

My opinion no matter if it is ISIS or any terrorist organization is that they and theirs should be eradicated. You leave one alive you leave the idea alive to fester and grow into another perhaps more repulsive and lethal threat. No mercy, not even a little bit. The king of Jordan has exactly the right idea and we shouldn't get involved unless that is what we intend the end result to be . It's what we should've aimed for right from the very start of our involvement in the Middle East. If we are going to fight by all means LET'S WIN!

Response by SPC Christopher Shanahan made Feb 6 at 2015 11:25 AM

2015-02-06T11:25:43-05:00

I think they crossed the line long before they burned the pilot. They have raped and killed women and children and have massacred entire villages. This most recent execution is just another straw on the camels back. They are taunting the U.S. and they aren't going to like the consequences. They keep going after innocent civilians that aren't able to defend themselves. Not only do they need to be exterminated, but their ideology needs to be wiped off the face of the earth.

Response by PO3 Paul Stai made Feb 6 at 2015 11:36 AM

2015-02-06T11:36:08-05:00

Need a new CINC

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 4:38 PM

2015-02-06T16:38:03-05:00

The Jordanian responded by executing two high valued ISIS terroist then increased their attacks.
America should follow that lead...for every one American or Allied that is executed by ISIS,
Two ISIS terrorist held in Guantanamo Bay should be summarily executed.
Good old fashion 2 fer 1 sale would send a strong message that terrorist play time is over & clear out much need space for new terrorist.

Response by PO3 Stuart Prettel made Feb 6 at 2015 8:55 PM

2015-02-06T20:55:48-05:00

The first thing the US needs to do is oust the traitor in the White House. This muslim hates US, Israel, all that is our country. It is very apparent Hussein Obama has emboldened the muslims while weakening us and our allys - the world is much more dangerous due to Hussein Obama. Obama should be an inmate of Guantanamo.

Response by PO3 Stuart Prettel made Feb 6 at 2015 9:01 PM

2015-02-06T21:01:32-05:00

One more thing - I've been a law officer for 40 years. Right now there is a terrorist criminal case in every state but one, Alaska. THEY ARE HERE NOW!!! Do not let the liberal media fool you - these muslims are locusts and must be exterminated!

Response by SSG Courtney Colyar made Feb 6 at 2015 9:49 PM

2015-02-06T21:49:33-05:00

Respond intelligently. Work with others in the region but don't reinsert American Troops. Help rebuilt the Iraq military, and support them but we should not fight for them. Remember, we trained them for over ten years and fought right beside them leaving them with over 10 billion dollars of equipment. Then, when ISIS attacks they dropped their weapons, got out of their uniforms and tried to walk away. But ISIS taught them, ISIS rounded up hundreds of them and executed them. I believe there's no greater lesson than that. Now, that they're highly motivated they're ready to be trained. And as we train them we continue to point it out that when in War you never cut and run. You fight for yourselves, for your country and for your buddy next to you. BUT YOU NEVER CUT AND RUN !! ***

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 6 at 2015 11:38 PM

2015-02-06T23:38:21-05:00

The line has been crossed. Too bad the President doesn't have the clout or public opinion if you will to send troops over there.

Response by GySgt Lucian J Caldara made Feb 7 at 2015 8:05 AM

2015-02-07T08:05:33-05:00

Let Jordan do their response and keep our (WH) "opinions" out of it. Jordan is responding the way we used to. Now we are questioning why Jordon bombed ISIS military facility without assuring there were no civilians (in this case an American Syrian Aide worker) who might be harmed. Why are we trying to encourage others to use our ROE which will never win a battle. Go after your enemy and leave him nowhere to hide.. destroy him.. before he destroys you. "Kill or be killed" That's war. ISIS is a defined enemy!

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 7 at 2015 1:23 PM

2015-02-07T13:23:19-05:00

I agree with a lot of the responses on here. They have definitely crossed a line, whether recent or long ago, but the biggest issue with War on Terrorism is that it essentially is the same as the War on Drugs. Cut one head off of the snake and another rises to replace it. As long as there is a "demand" there will be someone to rise to the occasion to "supply" it. Do I think that we should just give up against the formidable odds? A resounding no, but we must respond intelligently and efficiently not full of rage and passion. Because rage and passion will only get you so far.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 8 at 2015 3:40 PM

2015-02-08T15:40:48-05:00

It seems as though the world is caught up in the "Bystander effect". We are all waiting around for someone else to take care of the problem, meanwhile ISIS continues to grow and commit ever increasing atrocities. The question is not when have they crossed the line (they did that a long time ago). It's a question of when the rest of the world will finally stand up, and say enough is enough. Jordan is taking a stand, and hopefully that will be enough to galvanize the rest of the world. Everyone is so apathetic towards others in this day and age, willing to watch the world fall apart, not caring until the ground crumbles beneath them.

Personally, I think the US should wipe ISIS off the map. Bomb them until there is nothing left to remember them by. I realize it's not a realistic approach, but this has become the kind of thing where you have to make an example of them. Beat them so badly that those who follow will think twice about their actions. If we let them commit atrocities like this, and do nothing, we are condoning their actions, letting them know they can get away with it. They gave up all semblance of moral high ground a long time ago, it's time to take the gloves off, and get a little dirty.

Response by Cpl Jai Cotman made Feb 9 at 2015 9:23 AM

2015-02-09T09:23:42-05:00

So what I'm seeing so many say is commit more American assets to fight against an ideology? What battle plan does America have for that kind of campaign and more importantly, why was it never used in the days of civil unrest when the KKK were burning men, women and children for the color of their skin in our own country?

We cannot sustain a war against a belief. ISIS is the mythological Hydra come to life. Cut off one head and two more grow in its place. If we go to war against an idea...a radical belief in Islam, it will be a war from which we never emerge.

Anyone remember thee "War on Drugs"? Last I remember that war was still raging and the drugs haven't stopped flowing. Stop being so fast to blame the administration that worked so hard to pull us out of war. I hate to say it but many sound like they want to go and kill "them"...like it's an "us against them" mentally (Christian vs. Islam). God commands us to love everyone and Jesus died so we might live. Stop being so fast to go kill someone and think of how to sole this problem long term. Semper Fi.

Response by SGT Christen Newell made Feb 14 at 2015 1:18 AM

2015-02-14T01:18:57-05:00

Evil will continue when good men do nothing.

Response by Cpl Mark McMiller made Mar 16 at 2015 11:05 PM

2015-03-16T23:05:14-04:00

I think that if ISIS interferes in nuclear bomb negotiations between the White House and Iran, the gloves will come.