Lois Lerner Claimed Lincoln Was Worst President. Why She’s Wrong. Do you Agree?

2015-08-15T13:01:24-04:00

Lois Lerner Claimed Lincoln Was Worst President. Why She’s Wrong. Do you agree?

I found this article to be of interest because it talks about one of our Presidents that had one tough road ahead of him when becoming the President of the United States during a very tremulous time. It also displays the very problem we have in this country with politics and their involvement and corruption. The Lois Lerner issue is a whole other story for a different day.

How do rate President Lincoln based on the facts presented?

http://dailysignal.com/?p=196928

Why Lois Lerner Is Wrong That Lincoln Worst President.

Insight into why Lois Lerner improperly targeted conservatives.

Response by CWO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2015 1:16 PM

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That woman keeps digging herself deeper and deeper. She should just be quiet and keep her nonsense to herself.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2015 1:18 PM

2015-08-15T13:18:07-04:00

Very interesting. Good read

Response by LTC Stephen F. made Aug 15 at 2015 1:20 PM

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That is preposterous; but, what would you expect from Lois Lerner COL Mikel J. Burroughs.
From what I have read she is the worst kind of ideologue, elevated to a high level of government where she ignored the basic rules of law and targeted political opponents. From all accounts she has been unrepentant of her actions.
Abraham Lincoln rose from poverty on his own and taught himself to read by firelight. He worked hard, lost many elections yet continued to fight for what he believed with written and spoken words. He was the man the nation needed in the most horrible circumstances this nation has ever faced - the US Civil War. His principled stand that ll men are created equal and his deep faith in God enabled him to achieve greatness in statesmanship and compassion even while his family went through the extreme tragedies of death of his son and depression of his wife Mary Todd Lincoln

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2015 1:29 PM

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Lincoln's objective was to keep the Union together and aren't we all thankful today that we live in the United States of America and not something else. Need I say more?

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Aug 15 at 2015 1:44 PM

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I totally disagree with Lois Lerner, COL Mikel J. Burroughs. The worst U.S. President is still among the living.
However, I wouldn't bother to consider anything that Lois Lerner had to say in any event. In my opinion, she's much like what an old friend of mine who offered up this little saying one day about someone who had told a whopper, "She'd rather shinny up a greased flag pole and tell a lie, rather than stand on her own two feet on the ground and tell the truth."

Response by LTC Ed Ross made Aug 15 at 2015 1:57 PM

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No matter how anyone tries to spin it, Abraham Lincoln was one of our greatest Presidents, if not our greatest President, because he ended slavery and held the nation together. Historians point out that he did many things like suspending habious corpus and detaining American citizens without due process; but he civil war likely could not have been one without many of the bold decisions he made. He was the rare leader we so much lack today.

Response by SFC Maury Gonzalez made Aug 15 at 2015 2:18 PM

2015-08-15T14:18:17-04:00

I guess Lerner is forgetting that it's a black president that's keeping her out of jail ; she can thank president Lincoln for that

Response by SGT Roberto Mendoza-Diaz made Aug 15 at 2015 3:25 PM

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Something I have learned for a long time: Never speak ill of the dead.

Response by Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS made Aug 15 at 2015 4:17 PM

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Sir, this article is one that truly challenges critical thinking among other logic disciplines.

First, we must look at what she actually said, and THEN we must look at the article.

“Look my view is that Lincoln was our worst president not our best. He should’[v]e let the south go. We really do seem to have 2 totally different mindsets,”

Without the full context of the email (chain), which I was not able to find, we are making a huge argument based on three sentences, without having her rebuttal.

I have seen Joe Rogan tear a NASA expert apart on the Moon Landing (Conspiracy) because the expert was unprepared. That's on something we KNOW happened, and WATCHED on live Television. Of course we can tear Ms. Lerner apart with facts, because she never actually made an argument (See Straw Man Logical Fallacy), or had a chance to defend against it.

All that said, the article highlights A LOT of great things President Lincoln did. He did a lot of great things. But there were also things which "taken out of context" or even within context were far from perfect. So let's provide a few examples:

http://listverse.com/2013/12/05/10-reasons-lincoln-was-secretly-a-terrible-president/

Using the the above, Lincoln among the great things he did, also did somethings which were contrary to that. He did HORRIBLE things as well. Let's try to avoid looking at him through rose-tinted history glasses and remember he was a man, that we have turned into an ideal.

That said, though I may disagree with Ms. Lerner's SUBJECTIVE three (3) sentence assessment of one of our most recognizable Presidents, like all things the truth is probably in the middle. Her first sentence:

"Look my view is that Lincoln was our worst president not our best." is an opinion statement and cannot be viewed as anything other than that in Subjective terms, regardless of how many facts we rally around.

Her second sentence "He should’[v]e let the south go." is an assessment based on 150 years of historical data which Lincoln wouldn't have access to, however it is "generally accepted" that the current Nation is better than a divided nation. That's a mental exercise which we will never have an answer for.

Her final statement "We really do seem to have 2 totally different mindsets" honestly is accurate. It's only when combined with the first that one could become irate. Because we are challenging a core belief. If a person were to say:

"should’[v]e let the south go. We really do seem to have 2 totally different mindsets,” Would we have the same emotional outcry?

All that said, though I agree with many of the articles points, however it's a manipulative attempt to enhance emotion on an unrelated issue. When attempting objectively measure anything, using these emotional tools is counter to the philosophy of what we are going. It may be accomplishing its goal, but its doing it in the wrong way.

10 Reasons Lincoln Was Secretly A Terrible President - Listverse

We’ll go out on a limb here and guess you’ve probably heard of Abraham Lincoln. Hero, martyr, vampire hunter---Honest Abe is the president all other presid

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Aug 15 at 2015 4:28 PM

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What the hell is her ideology supporting secession?

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Aug 15 at 2015 4:46 PM

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Actually, Ms Lerner is not very original in her argument. Indeed, most of the country at that time, including his cabinet members, thought that the South should have been allowed to secede. The Union was held together largely by Lincoln's force of will. Was that a good thing? Well, I suppose if you're pro-slavery you might revile Lincoln. Is that the source of Ms Lerner's opinion? Sorta makes ya wonder, doesn't it?

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 15 at 2015 5:23 PM

2015-08-15T17:23:10-04:00

Her comments go to the mindset of the democrat leadership. She wouldn't have been hired for the job if she didn't think like they do. They do not represent the majority and those who follow them really need to start questioning the rational of their party leaders.

Response by Sgt Mitchell Sporar made Aug 15 at 2015 7:22 PM

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COL Mikel J. Burroughs .. yeah, I take everything Lois Lerner has to say to heart bc the woman just exudes credibility

Response by PO1 John Miller made Aug 16 at 2015 3:01 AM

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I've already considered Lincoln to be in the same category as the other Presidents mentioned in the article, and the facts in the article back up those feelings.

On a personal note, I think Lerner is just so bat shit crazy that she's against all Republicans, even Lincoln. Even though his brand of Republicanism is far removed from the modern era Republican.

I wonder if this story were to get more exposure, would her own Democrat party disown her and label her a racist? The evidence presented in this article certainly seems to support my theory.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 16 at 2015 8:57 PM

2015-08-16T20:57:02-04:00

She's a bitch. She's trying to throw attention off of her and to what she said about Lincoln. She has a terrible track record and shouldn't be taken seriously by anything she says. I don't need to defend Lincoln. He's one of the greatest people that ever lived. He was such a great President he was assassinated, by a coward. If you get what I mean.

Response by PO2 Robert Cuminale made Aug 17 at 2015 1:15 PM

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This is going to tick off a lot of people. I agree. The only president to declare martial law. The only president to declare war on Americans.
As a Southerner I believe that we should have been allowed to leave. It's obvious that many New York Times reading Northerners (Democrats) think so too if you see how many wish we'd been allowed to leave too. Some are even for us to leave now. The comments are vicious, criticizing our allegiance to religion, claims that we are under educated and of course we are all racists.
We were two nations forced into a union that South never wanted but for threats to commerce from the Northern states. The same issue was a cause for the War Of Northern Aggression, tariffs designed to force the South to sell its cotton to the North for less instead of Britain.
We are still being forced to stay together with federal threats to our economic security made possible by over taxation to produce funds to be used a cudgel to beat the states into submission. Washington will not be happy until we've become France with centralized control over every facet of citizen's lives.
We can try this again. This time lets do it by peaceable agreement.
And just as the Democrats are removing Jefferson and Jackson as icons of their party because they were slave owners and Native American persecutors it's time the Republicans dropped Lincoln because of his war mongering and aggression towards the South.

Response by SPC Sheila Lewis made Aug 17 at 2015 1:25 PM

2015-08-17T13:25:43-04:00

Given the place she still is, seems like she was throwing any stone she could find.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Aug 17 at 2015 11:52 PM

2015-08-17T23:52:48-04:00

I agree... And President Obama was the best. Or was it Clinton?

Response by SSgt Charles Edwards made Aug 18 at 2015 12:03 AM

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Unless this chick is over 150 years old, her opinion is invalid.

Response by CPL Brian Clouser made Aug 18 at 2015 3:44 PM

2015-08-18T15:44:23-04:00

Lincoln wasn't the best president we have had but he far from the worst ( Wilson. Cater and Obama hold that title) The civil war wasn't about slavery ( Lincoln has been quoted to have said that if slavery was the price to keep the Union together, he would paid it) The war was about state's rights, which he walk on