Posted on Aug 1, 2020
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Aside from the usually partisan (and superficial) comments regarding LTC (R) Vindman, is there a lesson to be learned here? We had a sitting US senator holding up promotion for 1000 senior officers to allow for his promotion. Whistleblowing. Polarizing politics and the politicalization of the military seems to be here for the duration. While the retired could easily just take pot shots from Ft. Living Room, here's my question. How can currently serving members truly remain apolitical? In a world where one callus post can end your career, use some judgment if you elect to weigh in. Was he right? Would you have done the same? Was he dead wrong?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/alexander-vindman-in-fiery-op-ed-upon-military-retirement-i-believe-that-in-america-right-matters/ar-BB17s1rL
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The LTC was right to report his concern. However, what transpired was a circus that placed the military in the middle of a political firestorm. The LTC should immediately been removed from his position and sent back to the Pentagon for his and the Army’s protection. As a service member, working in that political arena, you have to be cognizant of your actions and how they effect DOD, your service, and you. His supervisor shouldn’t have waited for the White House to make the move. That office should have made the move immediately. Perception is reality and once he lost the perception of being apolitical he was of no use to the Nation in that position. If you are going to fall on your sward and expect to get bloodied. The Senator was wrong to not understand how punishing innocent service members to make a political point and to not understand why the LTC has to be removed. She displayed exactly the opposite of leadership and I for one am glad she is no longer in our formation. Every rotten apple creates more rotten apples. She has terrible leadership, if you can even call it that, qualities. She proved to be a military user, not a defender.
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CWO3 Jim Grindstaff
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LTC Joe Anderson (Taz or Joe Retired Now in Contract Compliance) - Excellent response! Vindman forgot (or, maybe never really knew) who he swore an oath to obey. Further, even if he were as important as he thought he was, he should have known that he was not in-the-know about everything that could be involved. As another poster noted, in the world of diplomacy and high-level strategic military planning (they both intertwine), the line between the "good" guys and the "bad" guys is not always clear. We may need the "bad" guy to allow something or to do something to help resolve an issue, save lives, prevent conflict, etc. I learned a lot when I was in Bosnia relating to the "good" "bad" and the tolerable when it comes to a much larger picture...and sometimes, you need to do, say, or infer things that will give another side of issue a chance to save face or to send a signal to a possible adversary that you mean business. Vindman was wrong and thought that he was much more important than he was.
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LTC Joe Anderson (Taz or Joe Retired Now in Contract Compliance)
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CWO3 Jim Grindstaff - Yeah there were Bad guys on both sides of the Ilse in the Balkans. Sad what they did to each other there.
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CWO3 Jim Grindstaff
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LTC Joe Anderson (Taz or Joe Retired Now in Contract Compliance) - There is no way to fully describe what happened there. Seems that it has been forgotten by the public. The darkness of men's souls were revealed in some horrible actions (on both sides).
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LTC Joe Anderson (Taz or Joe Retired Now in Contract Compliance)
LTC Joe Anderson (Taz or Joe Retired Now in Contract Compliance)
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I agree. Being there in the 2nd rotation I saw a lot, that later rotations didn't see, mass graves, former rape camps... Sad! Have a good weekend!
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Our oath is to the Constitution, not an individual. Show me one place in that oath that says we have to cover up for the CinC. This LTC was honoring his oath and this nation. Trump caused his poor treatment.
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LTJG Sandra Smith
LTJG Sandra Smith
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SSG Dennis Reap Except there was no "wrong doing" by Trump with respect to that call; too many heard potatoes when apples was said, because they were preprogrammed by media to do so, JUST like media told people Chauvin's knew was on Floyd's neck, so that was what they "saw", despite the FACT the knee was clearly on a scapula, and the autopsy report confirmed there was NO trauma to the tissues in Floyd's neck. Vindman's 2nd and 3rd hand innuendos did the same thing to Trump as media did to Chauvin. The political polarization and long term language propaganda have utterly destroyed the ability to communicate, let alone "reason together" in this nation.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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PO1 David Shepardson - Nothing you just said has any connection to reality, the US and the WHOLE EU were working to take down a corrupt procedure. Alsoo what the hell does that have to do with the topic of this thread?
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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LTJG Sandra Smith - The autosy report, bot of then called floyds death a homicide, Drug overdose and Heart problems are not homicide, and no damage to the throat is necessary,his ability to breath was too restricted for to long ,, Multiple doctors have explained how he died. May I ask where you got you MD from?
Were did you get the expertise to override the expertise of the two doctors that Autopsied him, a the Doctor who tried to save him and the extempore expired Specialist who examined the evidence. What are you credentials other than reading tin-foil hat media?
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LTJG Sandra Smith
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr I don't know what you read. The official report listed the heart disease, drugs, and exertion combo as the official COD, exonerating Floyd, since he was none of those. An experienced forensic pathologist, who was on a committee of such who examined those autopsy results, an acquaintance of mine, affirmed what I posted here. We had extensive discussions about it, on another site. I'm not an MD, just an experienced old RN and EMS 1st responder both. I know how to observe "in the field", and how to read an autopsy report, same as any other medical report. You may not agree with what I offered, but it was not wrong information or contradicting any of the conclusions of record.
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It has nothing to do with oath to the Constitution rather than the person who is president. Vindman is an LTC hired to a particular job. The President is his boss. The Constitution also says the President makes foreign policy. LTCs are not mentioned in it nor do they set policy. The President can by 100% wrong, but we do it his way because he is the decision maker. This guy set the Army up to ridicule and was used as a political pawn by others trying to belittle one person. No matter which party you are or whether you like this guy or not, it was not within the LTC's job description. He should have been disciplined, but he got away scot free. He'll be well compensated by the other side.
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HN Sheldon Nadler
HN Sheldon Nadler
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You are a moron. Vindman was a shill for the Democrats and when he opened his fat mouth the Democrats jumped on it and impeachment started. How did you ever make Staff? And since you liked my "sea story" so much. Let me know I will explain in great detail how I escaped, idiot!
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yup, he should have been demoted to 2nd LT and finished out his contract (or just the next 10 years...whichever ends first) in Antartica.
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LTJG Sandra Smith
LTJG Sandra Smith
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Sadly, you're correct.
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1stSgt Nelson Kerr
1stSgt Nelson Kerr
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HN Sheldon Nadler - When he believes the president is violating the law he has every right, as does a E-1
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