Making the switch from Enlisted to Officer: Any advice?

2015-04-26T08:21:20-04:00

So I'm making the big switch from Enlisted to Officer in a couple of months. Does anyone have any advice about what to except, big differences between the NCO and Officer corps, ect? I would appreciate any input that this community has to offer.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 8:38 AM

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First of all, congrats.

Secondly, lower your expectations....The training that you will receive in BOLC will NOT be significant to lead or mentor Soldiers. BOLC is nothing like WLC or ALC. It will be a lot of powerpoints and even more regulations (depending on your branch). They give the "tools" you "need"....
I was very disappointed with BOLC, especially after being an NCO and having been in the military for more than 5 years.

Your ROTC counter parts will think they know everything, but they don't know anything about real Army lifestyle; if you haven't already noticed.

You may have to learn to bite your tongue. Some of the things you have learned as an enlisted member are not the 'regulation' way, which instructors are required to teach. We know that the regulations do not have the best way to get things done for every event but you have to accept the regulation view point (at least while in school).

Another thing I had issues with, once I arrived at my new unit as an officer, was delegation. I am very hands on and it is still hard for me to tell someone to go do something that I am capable of completing.

As a new officer you will be at the bottom of the totem pole; running errors, making copies, doing spreadsheets and powerpoints. If you are lucky you will get a platoon but you will still be required to process all the paperwork for the platoon and sit in all the company and possibly battalion meetings.

Your branch and assignment will have a large impact on what you will be required to do/handle the first few years.

Best of luck.

Response by GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad made Apr 26 at 2015 8:40 AM

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Congratulations! My advice is that you never forget where you came from!

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 9:10 AM

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Remember the bad encounters you have had with officers. Don't repeat them from the other side.

Remember the good encounters you have had with officers. Learn from them.

You have shown good things in your career or you would not be advancing. Be yourself.

Best of luck.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 9:20 AM

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CPT Private RallyPoint Member are you going 21 JUN by any chance?

Response by COL Vincent Stoneking made Apr 26 at 2015 9:20 AM

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Others who have been on both sides can speak to this better, but an Officer is NOT a better/different/higher level NCO. They have different jobs. CPT Private RallyPoint Member has posted on this several times.

Pay close attention to what & how your new peers do. Don't assume that because you've been in the Army for more than a day that you know this role. As a fellow ROTC grad, don't assume that ROTC prepared you either. Your entire time as a 2LT, and most of your time as a 1LT, is going to be spent re-learning the Army.

And congrats!

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Apr 26 at 2015 9:36 AM

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Congratulations on making the jump!
Your age and rack will set you apart from the ROTC butter-bars and your troops will probably extend you a lot more curtsey. As GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad says .. forget not from whence you came, but understand that once you become a 1LT you are going to be the platoon boss, so no more Mr. Nice Guy.

And remember ... please don't end run your Sargents because you used to be "one of the boys".

Response by SrA Daniel Hunter made Apr 26 at 2015 9:52 AM

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Congratulations! One of the biggest contrasts in Officers I have ever experienced was a prior Enlisted 2LT. He was a prick. Don't be a prick. That doesn't mean you have to be the Enlisted's buddy either. Your career is made or broken on the success of your troops.

Response by LTJG Robert M. made Apr 26 at 2015 9:59 AM

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Having been there, done that, two points.
1. Never forget where you came from
2. Realize that there are those where you came from that will do all they can to screw up your new career out of either jealousy or envy - watch your back.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 26 at 2015 10:23 AM

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Learn from your PL SGT and the rest of the soldiers. If you do well, they will be more receptive to you leading. Don't micromanage but do follow up on statuses like maintenance and FUOPs. They will give you additional assignments as well which has implications to operations.

Response by SFC Stephen King made Apr 26 at 2015 10:23 AM

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Balance remember what you have been through and be cognitive of others as you move forward. Congratulations

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 11:57 AM

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I could have swore that I have wrote about this before but I can't see to find it. But I will try the best I can. I hope I don't fail COL Vincent Stoneking

If you would to look on my profile I first came in the Army as a PFC. I was Regular Army and made it up to being a SGT. I then left and joined the National Guard. I picked up SSG and was near my time for SFC but I got out to later commission. I have learned a lot about this.

1. Just because you are prior service doesn't mean you are going to be a good officer. You may find that you miss being an NCO and revert back to your ways. I have seen this and have myself made some mistakes in this. You are an officer and now you are going to have to act like one. Don't use your prior service as a credential. Use it as a experience. I have seen many think that they know what they were doing and say that they were enlisted. That is cute but that doesn't mean you know what it is like being an officer. You have to study and learn how to be an officer. You need to learn the TLPs and the orders process. You may know the enlisted side but you don't know the officer side. It is good to know that but you don't need enlisted experience to be an officer.

2. You are in charge of the Platoon. But your PSG runs the platoon. The balance of PL/PSG is strained by prior service. I had a difficult time with my first PSG. I knew the job. I knew what wasn't happening and how to improve it but my PSG didn't really care. If you have a PSG that comes from the old school "Sit down and shut up" philosophy then you are going to struggle. You will really have to work together and let him know that you are in charge. At the end of the day if stuff goes side ways you will be in front of the CO. But PSG has an instrumental role in the success of the platoon. He can make a plan but you need to give him the go ahead. Don't let him cut you out. If he runs the platoon behind your back it will reflect poorly on your professionalism. I could right an essay about this. I did post a discussion about this already.

3. You are there to learn. Seek out mentors. You know what success looks like. Work with the XO and CO. Learn as much as you can. Learn from your NCOs. Your PSG is a great resource. He has been there a long time. You have to trust him as he should be doing what is best for the Platoon, that means what is best for you too.

4. Don't hangout with NCOs. It will come natural to want to be one of the guys. You have to give them room to do NCO stuff. I will usually wonder off and let them do what they need to do. If done right they will know why you are doing it and will appreciate it. You should go get a coffee with the XO or that other PLs.

Being a PS officer is not easy. It is easier being a brand new PL. With your prior service everyone will expect that you are squared away and know everything. Don't be afraid to say you don't know something. I would also check out other discussions on RP too.

Response by CAPT Kevin B. made Apr 26 at 2015 12:27 PM

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I had two promotion paperwork in my hands. E-5 and O-1. A few things I learned.

1. You'll make different mistakes because it's a different world and you're new to it. Learn quick because the world gets less friendly once you go silver.

2. Being a mustang is a blessing and a curse. It can help you with more extensive organic knowledge but you don't relate to the troops like you used to, hence have to learn to stand back a lot and let the NCO community do what they do best. You'll be chomping your bit sometimes. Don't jump in quick unless it's a safety thing. You have to unlearn some of your habits.

3. Know that newbie O-1s will see you're prior enlisted and some will be jealous knowing you'll likely get some plum opportunities. Don't rub their noses in it. Statistics says a couple of them may well be your boss one day. Negative memories tend to hang around.

4. Get to know your people. Not because you want to be their friend, but rather so you're in a better position to care for them. The higher you go up in rank, you'll have more people that you have to keep safe. Life's too precious to be lax on this one.

5. Don't tarnish where you come from. Many mustangs "manage by terror" because they have never been taught different. If you have any of those characteristics, make sure you work that issue hard with your mentor to ditch it ASAP.

6. Speaking of mentoring, there should be some process set up that helps officers along. In the Navy we make O-4s responsible for JO development as they aren't "Senior" yet, hence are less intimidating, have 10-14 years in, and they are being watched by their seniors to see how good of a job they're doing.

7. Every promotion should be a humbling experience. If not, your priorities are out of whack. See #4.

Congrats

Response by CPT George Stotz made Apr 26 at 2015 1:46 PM

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Congratulations! Now build on what you have experienced and learned previously and do not lose sight of the fact that you still have much to learn. Be a credible, ethical leader, true to you word and take care of those men and women entrusted to you.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 1:59 PM

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Never think you are better than any other rank. Remember that you are now a servant leader. Your job exists to serve your troops. They will do amazing things for you almost without question. Just make sure you thank them and respect them for who they are.

Ninety-nine percent of your troops will come to work and want to succeed. The ones that make a mistake still deserve your respect and servant leadership. Understand there is a distinct difference between aid take and a crime.

Loyalty to your superiors is critical. Never bad mouth your leadership. Execute their decisions as if you made them yourself unless safety is an issue.

For me everything is situationally dependent except one thing; I feel blessed every day that I get the opportunity to lead the sons and daughters of our American citizens.

Congratulations and enjoy it. It's an honor to be where you will be.

Response by MSG Michael Caldwell made Apr 26 at 2015 2:06 PM

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Don't forget where you came from

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 26 at 2015 2:38 PM

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Do you have a branch designation?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 2:56 PM

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If you have not already, read through FM 6-22. Read it before you start officer training, then refer to it again afterwards and throughout your career

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 4:30 PM

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I made the switch after 10 years of enlisted time, right before I was going to make E-7. I can tell you this: yes, it's different, but your experiences as an NCO benefit you as an Officer. Never forget where you came from. I valued my time in the NCO Corps. But you definitely have to be able to learn to let your NCOs do their jobs as NCOs; you have a new job now. You have to be able to think critically and plan ahead. Before it was, "what's the mission, what do I need my Soldiers to do to accomplish this mission". Now it's more of "what am I doing to allow my soldiers to succeed? What plan do I have in place? How does my platoon affect the company/battalion mission Etc etc.".

What will be your commissioning source? I went Green to Gold, graduated and commissioned last May. If this is your route, you also have to be a leader in your ROTC battalion. Help those young future leaders develop! It will only strengthen the Officer Corps. Never go into anything thinking you are better than the person to the left and right of you. Those cadets are eager to learn, teach them!

Both my company commander and another 1LT in my company are all former NCOs. Best of luck! Pm me if you have any questions!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2015 5:09 PM

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Remember you are back to square one from a learning standpoint. You have to let your troops show you how to do it, and empower them. Even if you are already an expert, it will boost that junior enlisted's confidence through the roof if they can teach you.

Response by COL Mikel J. Burroughs made Apr 26 at 2015 5:15 PM

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Congratulations! Just one small recommendation out of millions that you will receive: "Know when to lead from the front and know when to lead from behind!

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 26 at 2015 11:25 PM

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Yes!!!!!

First, Congratulations!

1. Use your experience to help you and your teammates, but do not be full of yourself and the fact you have prior service; Prior service can be an advantage and a disadvantage.

2. Focus on what officers do, and let NCOs do what NCOs do. The worse thing is priors service officers (LTs) who meddle in NCO business, because that is their comfort zone.

3. Remember, as an officer, it is you alone, who are responsible. Even as a brand new 2LT... you, not your PSG are responsible.

4. Live, Live, Live Army Values. Soldiers (as you know) pay attention to what you do, not what you say.

5. Let your actions speak for you. Don't toot your own horn.

6. Listen to and trust your NCOs, but also remember 3 above.

7. Learn, know and use the Army systems that have stood the test of time: OPORDS, TLPS, PCIs, etc... they work, and we have them for a reason.

8. Be a sponge! That is, learn as much as you can.... Never stop learning.

9. Be humble...

10. Have fun!

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Apr 27 at 2015 12:20 PM

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Check out this post of accumulated wisdom for all young (or new) officers.
https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-is-the-one-thing-every-young-officer-must-know

Response by Capt Mark Strobl made Apr 27 at 2015 12:47 PM

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First, Congratulations! A few thoughts:
1.) Expect to spend some time educating your fellow Lt's. Most of your fellow 2ndLt's will show a lot of deference to you as they learn that you're a Mustang. Be prepared to take on a leadership role within your new "peer group."
2.) As soon as your subordinates discover you're "prior e," they will immediately migrate to you. They expect that you've "been there/done that" and, unlike the other Lt's, you'll be sought after for leadership first.
3.) Don't forget your roots. However, you'll no longer be peers with your old cadre. Maintain those professional relationships --because you'll never know when you're going to need a solid 1stSgt when you assume your first company!
4.) Finally, keep doing what you've been doing to get those bars. However, you'll have to do it better! The youngsters will depend on your experience and growing leadership. To this, I would presume your commanders will expect the same. To a point, mustangs are very similar to Warrant Officers --They're a deep well of leadership.
Again, I applaud you & your pending commission. Congratulations, again.

Response by MAJ Anthony DeStefano made Apr 28 at 2015 11:51 AM

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You have the advantage of being an NCO yourself so this advice may come naturally to you...stay out of Sergeants Business.. YOU KNOW what that is because you did the job. You will be tempted to do this. Surround yourself with good NCO's and you will have a much easier time. LISTEN to them. Weigh their input before making an important decision. I know sometimes you don't have the luxury of time in a critical situation to get an opinion, but many times you will and you should... In the end be your own man. You are after all officer material. But never forget where you came from and how you would want to be treated and take it from there. I made it from PVT to MAJ doing all of the above...good luck to you son.

Response by MAJ Victor Alarcon made Apr 28 at 2015 12:26 PM

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First, Congratulations on behalf of another Old Mustang. I went from E5 to Gold Bar, never attended any Officer Courses and I realized that caused jealousy in the Officer Corp. I was respected a lot more by all the enlisted ranks as they have a way of recognizing one of their blood line; yet other Officers seemed to go through my actions with a very large microscope.
In the end you will do just fine, you are part of those Great Giant Shoulders on which we stand as you represent the officers that led the Army since it's very first mission. You and all of us Mustangs know the taste of sweat and dirt, you have been in the hole before and know life in the trenches. I believe there should be an organization of just us Mustangs!

Response by CPT Anthony Kennedy made Apr 28 at 2015 12:34 PM

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Knowing where you came from and balancing where you are going is key to success. Officers are distinct and different from enlisted and having to ability to be aware of the differences helps. Also being prior enlisted may get your foot in the door with the men you command but it doesn't get you the sale. Think big picture on all decisions.

Response by MAJ Scott Hamilton made Apr 28 at 2015 12:40 PM

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First of all, congratulations on teh opportunity.

I left the ranks as an NCO and went through ROTC while in college to receive my commission. Retired a couple years ago.

1. It is a different world on the other side. At first, the differences will be subtle and seem minor, but, the difference gap increases rapidly over time. Don't forget where you came from, but remember, you are on a different track now and have a different mission focus. And that different mission focus is why that gap is there. What I did was look at it differently: As an NCO my focus was the men under me and our mission as the fire-team and squad. As an officer, my focus was on the mission received, highlighted in the Commanders Intent, and making sure my NCOs had the tools they needed in order to accomplish their tasks. My Platoon Sergeant handled the men and their training (and issues). I handled the needs of my Sergeants. They and I broke it out as a division of labor, and this worked well for us. They respected that I had been an NCO, but what made our platoons strong was the mutually beneficial teamwork leadership we developed.

2. As an officer, you will spend less and less time with troops and more and more time in staff and supporting roles. This is the nature of the beast. When you are in the staff positions, focus on the science of warfare. When you are with troops, focus on the art of warfare and leadership. When you take your command, your job is to blend the two, while preparing your subordinate officers to step into their next staff positions and your NCOs to step into their next duty positions. You never stop being a leader and you never stop being a trainer. Likewise, and more importantly, you never stop being a learner.

3. Be humble. Your subordinates, peers and superiors will depend on you, much more so than when you were in the ranks. They all need to know three things; 1.) You are approachable. 2.) You are dependable 3.) They can trust you. As an officer, especially in a staff, you will be exposed to high pressure and high stress, and to be most efficient, you have to be able to talk to, and be talked to, at every level. And that means you have to know what to keep silent about and what needs to be discussed. Be personable to every soldier, but be professional at every level. That was a trademark I learned from one of my very best, and most valuable mentors.

4. Remember, you WERE an NCO. Today, you ARE an officer. Because of that, to every enlisted soldier, whether they acknowledge it or not, you are a role model and an example of success and good ambition. And that means you cannot sacrifice their vision of you as always doing the right thing. Guard your integrity closely, especially when you are working somewhere with "that" guy. More often than not, in my experience, we sometimes serve with a fellow officer who is a weak leader. Sometimes those guys just quietly fade away. Sometimes they try very hard to make temselves not look so bad by trying to shunt blame and responsibility onto others. And when they do, mustangs seem to be the priority target. When this happens to you, and it will because it happens to all of us, stay humble, stay professional, and go talk with your boss. And nobody else. Every officer is judged and graded by their merits and their failures. Work to shape the reputation you have based on the work you do. The truth will out.

5. As you have completed your education, pursue and embrace every opportunity for more education. Advanced degrees make a difference both as you rise in rank, and even more so in "Life After The Uniform". It won't be easy, but keep an eye out for it. By the time you have completed your 15th active duty year, have a plan for what you want to do at your release from service. Be prepared for anything at that point because Human Resources Command can come up with some really screwy options. Don't ever try to second-guess HR Command. Those guys as often as not don't know what they are going to put on paper the morning they go into work, let alone what they are going to do with you specifically. It is not a matter of competence on their part as much as it is a fact that the train is long, and large and is going at high speeds. Which means they can't take the time to stop it, and can't keep up with all of it. So they do the best they can. Therefore, look to your own career. You can get along with those guys, but just remember, stay humble, stay professional, and stay focused on what you want for your career. They will work with you. That is the path of least resistance. If you lose that and start giving them ultimatums, they will call you on the ultimatum because that gives them the ultimate path of least resistance.

Once again, congratulations, and best of luck.

Scott Hamilton USA (MAJ, RET)

Response by LTJG Benjamin Finnell made Apr 28 at 2015 12:44 PM

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I second many of the comments here, specifically those advising you on the differences between leadership as an NCO and as an officer. As a mustang, I had to learn to step back and go through my NCOs and SNCOs. Otherwise, I was severely degrading their credibility with the sailors as well as demonstrating a lack of integrity with the chain of command.

The most important piece of advice I can share is to always be humble and allow your people to shine. Giving credit to your troops is one of the best ways you can improve morale, especially if they have had a "leader" who took all the accolades for them-self. I found that even when I passed the credit to my troops, the CO, XO, and department heads knew that in order for my people to shine, I was also doing a good job in the areas I was responsible for.

Otherwise, take what you have learned, keep it as a way to empathize and understand your people, but look on your future as an opportunity to learn more and continue the growth that has brought you to where you are now.

And as a closing thought, kudos to you for taking the initiative to obtain your commission. The military needs more leaders who can empathize with the junior enlisted. You can be a voice that they understand and can improve morale and retention by the way you influence those who serve with you.

Response by MAJ Montgomery Granger made Apr 28 at 2015 1:03 PM

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Congratulations! I went from SPC 4 to officer after five years of enlisted service. "Mustangs," they call us! My advice is to BE YOURSELF. Enlisted, NCO and officers are ALL PROFESSIONAL SOLDIERS, and should look, speak and behave as such. The bottom line is RESPECT. If you show it, you earn it. Rank is a tool of the organization to establish, maintain and improve functionality, efficiency and effectiveness. Understanding and appreciating your ROLE in the organization is one of the keys to success at any rank, as well as knowing and respecting the role, function and purpose of the other ranks. Always remember, no matter how large or small the unit, familiarity DOES breed contempt. Never fraternize with officers or soldiers out of your grade. You should socialize privately with whomever you choose, but be wary of doing so with those way above or below your rank unless invited to an all-ranks function. Seek out a MENTOR who is in your branch, but a 1LT or CPT. Do this with each new job. Company grade officers should look out for and mentor each other. READ the Officer's Guide (latest edition) cover-to-cover; annotate and highlight as you go! As you probably know there are a LOT of things to learn about being an officer. ALWAYS seek advice from those above and below your rank, but remember, you can delegate authority but never responsibility - the decisions you make as a leader are YOURS. Lastly, your First Sergeant should be your right arm, your conscience, and your confidant, but NEVER complain to him/her, or to ANY NCO or enlisted soldier. Complaints go UP, through your chain of command. Just my two cents from 22 years of service. I attended OCS and then made it to major before popping smoke in December 2008. Best of luck to you on a fantastic career! Godspeed! Hooah!

Response by SCPO Chuck Vroman Sr. made Apr 28 at 2015 1:18 PM

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Congratulations on your selection! Having been in your position, I would suggest caution when speaking in a gathering of officers and care in choosing your words. A casual conversation among friends as an Enlisted can be a major catastrophe if the same conversation is had among a group of officers. Political Correctness is the new name of the game.

Some tips for you at your first command:
First and foremost, never forget that you were once one of the people that now work for you. The regular "line" officers have a much different mind-set, and many of the Mustangs (previously enlisted officers) tend to follow in that way of thinking and behavior, believing that to be the way to promotion. Take care of those that work for you, and you will do well.

Second, never be afraid to ask for help from other Mustangs that you respect and that respect their people, as well as your senior people that work for you. Charging off to do something you have no idea how to do is the worst idea in the world, just as it was when you were Enlisted.

Third, never forget that you are no longer tha technician. You are now an officer, but you are also a technical expert. DO NOT provide your expertise on a subject/project unless:
1) There is a problem that needs to be corrected promptly;
2) Your people appear to be at a loss for direction on how to proceed;
3) Your OIC directs your immediate involvement.
If you jump in to provide guidance and/or expertise for any other reason unless requested, your people will think that you have no faith in them, and you will get less and lass from them.

Finally, never direct or ask your people to do ANYTHING that you either haven't done or wouldn't do yourself.

You may not be the most popular officer in the Wardroom (what we called the officer country on Navy ships), but you will probably have the most productive squad/division/platoon in your group.

Response by CDR Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2015 1:53 PM

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I made the switch after doing my initial enlisted time. I would say just keep an open mind. It will be different than what you may think. I cherish my enlisted time and I use what I learned then to help me be a better Officer. You will understand things other Officers won't. Use that to lead your troops and serve them.

Response by COL Konrad Langlie made Apr 28 at 2015 2:05 PM

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I was clueless about the importance of seeking mentors, being active in the O Club and community activities and taking charge to the extent you can of your evaluations, including drafting suggested language describing your accomplishments. I have always been inclined to tackle challenges on my own but its is easier and more career enhancing to seek the advice and assistance of your superior. The biggest difference between enlisted and officers is officers don't get promoted by objective standards such as getting high scores on skill tests but on their progression in assignments and getting their raters to top block them and/or recommend them for promotion and schooling.

Response by LTC Edward Keyrouze made Apr 28 at 2015 2:10 PM

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I made the switch back in 1990. I know that is ions ago & probably ancient history by now but here is my experience. I was active duty as a SP5 then transitioned to a SGT. After leaving Regular Army, I joined the ARNG Active Guard Reserve Program. I served for 4 years as a enlisted soldier attaining the rank of SSG.
There was a severe shortage of officers in the system in the late 80's so I took the leap to OCS & was commissioned in 1990. I went on to serve for 13 more years attaining the rank of Major. I have no regrets & it was transparent to my soldiers that I was a 'Mustang' (prior enlisted). They stated that they could tell officers that were West point, ROTC & OCS apart. My management style was as I was one of them. I was told they appreciated & respected my leadership style. My only advice is remain true to yourself & who you are as a soldier. Even though you will be filling different shoes & level of responsibility, you can still maintain your connection with your soldiers. They will follow you anywhere.

Response by MAJ James Fulbright made Apr 28 at 2015 2:15 PM

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I too made the switch from Enlisted to Officer in 1977 after winning one of the first 25 ROTC Scholarships for Active Duty Personnel from over 10,000 applicants. First, realize that your commission separates you from the Enlisted, but not from knowing how your decisions will affect those placed under your command and control. You are not there to be a friend, but to lead. You will get some additional respect as a butter bar when your soldiers see you are a mustang (an old Navy/USMC term that has been accepted in the US Army to my experience) as evidenced by your award of the US Army Good Conduct Medal, which a commissioned officer is not eligible for. Use your experience wisely. Learn from the examples of good and poor leadership you have already experienced and loose the chip on your shoulder that some have. Treat your soldiers as professionals and above all, lead. This is the mantra you have accepted as a commissioned officer. I commanded three US Army Military Police Companies and a USACIDC Field Office. All successfully and I pray with distinction. After more than a quarter century after I left the US Army, I continue to be blessed with many fine formerly young men and women who were fine soldiers who have chosen to keep in contact with me and sometimes even ask for my advice. Like I said, lead. Mission, Men/Women, then Me is a mantra that will guide your every step in a successful career. In closing, avoid those who have to tear someone/thing down in order to build themselves up. Don't be influenced by their sophomoric humor and anger/angst. It WILL rub off and taint you. Blessings on your career.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2015 2:22 PM

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There are two big things I would say.

First, realize that while NCOs are largely hands on, officers are largely hands off. Officers plan and lead, NCOs manage and execute (I'm not implying NCOs are not also leaders), Soldier follow (hopefully). Officers need to worry about tomorrow, NCOs worry about today.

Second, I'm sure you have a lot of useful knowledge stored up in your head from your years of being a Soldier and NCO, that is great! Don't forget that you still have subject matter experts out there. Listen to everyone: superiors, peers and subordinates. No one can know everything, your breadth of influence and required knowledge will grow greatly once you pin on your first bar, make sure you get all of the information you can before you make a decision. Find out what PVT Snuffy thinks, he might just have a better idea or some information you don't.

I hope that helps, good luck.

Response by MAJ Carlos Felipe Sanchez made Apr 28 at 2015 2:28 PM

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Congrats. Remember, give orders by reason, not by whim. Try not to be a toxic leader.

MAJ SANCHEZ, C.F.

Response by 1LT A. Uribe made Apr 28 at 2015 2:31 PM

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Here's my two cents, former Senior NCO and enlisted for 22 years prior to commissioning. My advice are these:

1. You're never going to know all the answers, but you are expected to find them.
2. Your enlisted career means nothing, you're an officer then.
3. Learn to watch and step in only when necessary, officers plan, NCOs execute.
4. No matter how bad the situation is take full responsibility and give all the credit to your Soldiers.
5. Be prepared to do, give and learn more than your Soldiers.
6. Be humble and don't be afraid to have a keeping it real moment with your joes from time to time.
7. Focus on your weakness more than your strengths.
8. Get your hands dirty from time to time.
9. Take down all the things you don't like every day for at least 45 days then ask yourself what really needs to change.
10. Lastly, never forget that you're a Soldier first.

Response by MAJ Morris McGaugh made Apr 28 at 2015 2:34 PM

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I will tell you that it is a difficult transition and many NCO's struggle with it, I had been an E7 for 5 years when I made the switch. The first bit of advice I will give you is to find yourself a good O4/O5 mentor, someone that your respect and that has good leadership traits. You need to become technically and tactically proficient at a new level. Trust and empower your NCO's, you know this as an NCO they have been doing the job a while and are generally the SME's that you need to rely on and learn from, but don't forget you are now the guy that makes the decisions. Strive to set the example for your troops (be it APFT, Weapons Qual, getting your shots and PHA completed...don't expect your troops to do something you won't or haven't done. Do not be one of those LT's that demand respect because you where the rank, instead earn their respect and they will follow you anywhere and be happy to accomplish tasks and missions. There are many other things but I think these are the key ones. Remember, be a leader not a micro-manager. I always tell young LT's or soon to be LT's pay attention to others leadership styles (and think back to other leaders you have had) and try to embrace those traits that makes them a good leader and stay away from the traits make them bad leaders. Also, you have to be able to take a step back and re-evaluate situations. Remember you are responsible for everything that your Soldiers do or don't do. I hope this is helpful. Good Luck!

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Apr 28 at 2015 2:38 PM

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Bet technically and tactically proficient. Listen and learn from your NCOs, you have the reigns in tactical training. Treat you troops with dignity and respect. Don't forget TLPs and OPORDs. Don't micromanage. Know who you support or are supported by. Create an excel spreadsheet of phone numbers of organizations you rely on. You and your Platoon SGT need to be one command team.

Response by Capt Mike Berger made Apr 28 at 2015 3:01 PM

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If done properly you will be the first one in the office and the last one out. Good planning reduces issues within your unit.

Be patient with your Marines/Soldiers. As a Mustang the expectations your superiors will have for you will be high. You will want to make a lot of changes early, SLOW DOWN. The soldier that you replaced was probably messed up. Implement the changes in increments to lighten the shock to your platoon.

TEMPER YOUR SUPERIORS EXPECTATIONS! Most people don't know what you do. Do not over promise, you will most likely fail. The military supply system is archaic. If it looks like it will take 3 months tell them 4. When it comes in 2 you will look like a hero. They will plan to not have it and they will be pleasantly surprised.

Inform your superiors with a push info system. You want them to delete your emails each day rather than be without information when they need it. Their CO's will want updates and you never want to be busy or unavailable when the Command needs to inform their command.

Like everyone said let your SNCO's and NCO's do their jobs. You will try and do their job. Stay in your lane.

Your Marines/Soldiers will work hard if you take care of them. Their are people in those uniforms. Your good planning will help limit long and ridiculous work hours. Make friends with the operations and fiscal officers. Over budget and identify what the unit will need before they know they need it. This isn't the first time we conducted operations. Plan for stuff that might not happen. If so you will not be caught in a panic trying to get things in order for something that you probably could have predicted.

Make sure you give your Soldiers time to get promoted. Send them to schools and give them opportunities to advance their careers. You will always have stuff to do.

TRAIN SOLDIERS TO DO THE JOB OF THE PERSON NEXT TO AND ABOVE THEM. THEIR IS NO ONE WHO SHOULD BE TOO VALUABLE! MAKE SURE AT LEAST 3 PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO DUE EVERY JOB.

Good luck, be patient, Congratulations!

Response by Maj Allen Bruce Childress, Jr. made Apr 28 at 2015 3:11 PM

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Congratulations! I went from collage to OTS to a brown bar so I had a different experience but I learned quickly to rely on my NOC's and be the director but not the worker. I provided my NCO's with supplies, equipment and a mission and stood back and let them use there experience to do the mission and make me look good. It is a big step but the rewards include more money both on duty and after retirement. Don't try and micromanage and you will do well.

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2015 3:14 PM

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In my civilian career, I'm a financial planner, so I view things from a business perspective. Take a look at what a 2nd Lt makes in a month, or in a drill weekend, then look at what Sr NCO's make. As a 2nd Lt, I was not making substantially more than I was as an E6, and I certainly made less than my 20yr E6's and E7's. You'll be a Capt before you come close to making what an E8 or an E9 makes. Obviously this is all going to depend on your relative time in service.

Why is that important? Your job and your responsibility will be different, but the DoD sees fit to pay company grade officers similar to their more experienced NCO's and 1st level of Sr NCO's. It's very likely that you will rely on your E7's more as a Lt that you did a Sgt...because you knew what your job was then. Continue to leverage their experience, give them as much leeway to do your job, and start to think about longer-term strategy--ideally without walking in and changing the day-to-day tactics that have worked for them for year.

Response by 1LT John Unden made Apr 28 at 2015 3:29 PM

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Congratulations! You are already on your way to success just by asking for advice. Asking for advice is wise as you will need to do it very often. Keep your head on a swivel and say this to your platoon sergeant on day one: "I am just visiting your platoon for a while and intend to learn as much from you and the soldiers as I can. How can I help you?" Then submit yourself to your troops.

Be one of the troops, but do everything they do faster and more efficiently. You will need to make a lot of observations about how the unit functions before you can make any improvements to the SOP. I learned the most and earned the most respect by being the best Private in the platoon; that just happened to be wearing a brass or silver bar on my collar…plus I was really good at planning and executing missions.

Lead by example. Get up extra early and be ready for combat when you wake them all up in the morning. I used to wake everyone up with my face paint on and rucked up while carrying my own radio. When it comes to missions, prepare them well and get as much input from your subordinate leaders as you can. Fight hard for them so that they have everything they need to be successful. People tend to follow orders better when they have contributed to the plan themselves.

Live for your troops and they will be willing to die for you. If you have your stuff together it will never come to that. I'm sure you will do great! Best wishes.

Response by 1LT John Unden made Apr 28 at 2015 3:35 PM

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Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2015 5:28 PM

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Make sure you learn from the Senior NCOs. Find a Chief mentor and a Field Grade Officer. Volunteer for leadership positions. Lt Col Thomas

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2015 6:48 PM

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As a mustang, I'd say simply maintain humility, plan to have to think above your grade and adjust to the different culture where you don't maintain the status quo but rather fight for sensible changes that makes life better for your people. You'll do great!

Response by Maj Wayne Dahlke made Apr 28 at 2015 9:38 PM

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Aaron, having done this (albeit in the Air Force), the best advice I ever got from another Mustang, I will pass on to you; NEVER forget where you came from!

Most officers go from high school to college (or a service academy) and then out to lead men and women in the service, with zero operational experience about what the real world is like. Remember all of the dumb shit your lieutenant said when you were a junior NCO or specialist, and don't be that guy. Listen to your senior NCOs, let them handle their NCOs and you worry about all of your men and women. Get to know them, listen to them, and never forget, they are the ones who make the magic happen.

If you are into reading, I recommend the book "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein. There are some very good lessons about leadership, set in a fictional story, that makes it fun to read. On a more factual note "Level Zero Heroes" by Marine Staff Sergeant Michael Golembesky is a great read about leadership.

Congrats on the upcoming promotion! Don't go too crazy with the new paycheck!

Wayne

Response by SPC Charles Brown made Apr 29 at 2015 12:44 AM

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My advice, don't. But seriously CPT Private RallyPoint Member just remember that you were once among the soldiers, and that while you have changed by your promotion, they haven't. If you leave with their respect you will return to their respect. Best Wishes

C.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 29 at 2015 6:21 AM

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Congratulations on your commission. First of all, you as a former NCO knows that we are the backbone of the Army. This means that we make things happen, but in order to make things happen, we need your guidance. Use your experience as an NCO to make the best decisions when giving orders. Try not to micromanage. Give us the order but let us execute. Always trust your NCO's the same way you were trusted when you were one. Always respec your subordinates, from the Private up. Your knowledge is very valuable and there's nothing better than having a PL who knows his stuff. Always connect with your PSG. In order to make the Platoon run smoothly is if you and your PSG are on the same page. Do not take authority out of your NCO's. Trust them. Now you will be someone who'll make the difference, but unlike the NCO, you'll be in a PLT for a determined period of time as you scale in the officer ladder. The bond you create with your subordinates will help you as you progress. And always think what's best for your platoon is what matters. Be Safe, act smart, and always take care of your personnel. Now you are a mentor of mentors and you will be respected as an officer and as a person. If you have females in your platoon treat them with respect. May God help you in your new path as an officer. Hooah! Army Strong!

Response by MAJ Teresa Ferris made Apr 29 at 2015 11:41 AM

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Don't ever forget where you came from. Learn as much as you can from your NCO's
When you become an officer. They are a wealth of knowledge and experience. If you do this your NCO's will make you shine.

Response by Maj Mike Sciales made Apr 29 at 2015 12:03 PM

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Relax, settle in. Drink from the advice fire hose for about six months then develop your own leadership style. Once you are comfortable with yourself, others will be comfortable as well. Set the standard, but don't become a hard-ass. I never gave an order to anybody. I laid out what needed to be done, who needed to do it and when it needed to be done. I always asked if anybody was having difficulty with the concept of operations to make sure of unit comprehension and cohesion during completion of tasking. Use your experiences to compliment and be a "force multiplier." Everybody will know you are smart and experienced or you wouldn't have been selected for commissioning. Now you can demonstrate that maturity, wisdom and judgment that got you there. Enjoy the ride.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made May 1 at 2015 12:14 AM

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1. Leaders must understand mission command and it's principles;

( https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=_eU_VZH2EYewogSw9YEY&url=https://fas.org/irp/doddir/army/adrp6_0.pdf&ved=0CCoQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNFb9fzrXZvWFJO1TFJgSn0wUaDN0A&sig2=0F10nojj-TXFPuYBYMrbcA )

2. Leaders must understand and apply the eight troop leading procedures and the eight step training model to maximize results with today's limited resources.

3. Last, review below;

-- lead through your NCO's.

-- interpersonal relationships drive organizations.

-- written guidance directs organizations.

-- authority aligns accountability.

-- inspect what you expect.

-- attitude impacts motivation, trust, and desired results.

-- doctrine is mechanical zero and the environment influences adjustment while synchronized with capabilities.

-- capabilities are communicated in terms of risk when performing mission analysis and developing CCIR's.

-- accountability and safety is your key focus.

-- listening is more important than talking.

-- be prepared

-- thankfulness is the key to life.

-- be flexible

-- managing is different than supervising

-- build and maintain your resume

-- learn from everyone; all ranks can teach you something if your pride allows it.

-- always respect the 1SG & CSM

-- discipline in private and praise in public; learn the value of forgiveness

-- counseling is important

-- learn the difference between counseling, coaching, and mentoring

-- perception is reality

-- understand professional relationships; avoid fraternization

-- keep it FUN!!!

Sincerely,

David A. Hadzima Jr., DSL
CPT, LG (90A/91A)

Response by CPT Pedro Meza made Jul 28 at 2015 6:18 PM

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Enlisted MOS is Branch for Officers and is based on needs of the ARMY, and apply what you saw in good Officers and do not do what bad Officers did, also DO NOT BUT IN ON NCO BUSINESS, but use common sense TOO.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 30 at 2016 8:52 PM

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All these comments were very helpful, thanks everyone.

Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Sep 30 at 2016 11:34 PM

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Trust your Gunny (E-7)... They are the backbone of the services. They have more practical knowledge and experience than you'll EVER have. When in doubt, pull your Gunny aside for a consultation. He'll rarely lead you wrong, and you'll earn his respect for not being a know-it-all Nugget.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Oct 13 at 2016 1:06 PM

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Remember to always work above your potential andvremember that you were once that rank

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Oct 20 at 2016 12:16 PM

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Remember where you came from. Spread your knowledge, and learn a whole lot more.

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 11 at 2017 1:34 AM

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I guess the question now is, what have you learned in the last 2 years?

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 5 at 2018 7:15 PM

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Congratulations.

Response by CPT John Shevenell made Nov 19 at 2020 9:53 PM

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LISTEN to your NCO's ! Just because you're an Officer now does not translate into leader. Take your time. Pick the Platoon Sergeant brain. If he is a professional he will want you to succeed.

Response by Maj Ed Smith made Jul 27 at 2022 11:33 AM

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The biggest hurdle I had to conquer was within the Sr Officer rank. Several 0-5 who disliked enlisted personnel during their career would remind me "I wasn't really one of their theirs." Lt. Col Sxxx liked to tell me how moving from E-6 to 0-1 was a big mistake and that I would never be trusted since, according to him, I would always be loyal to the enlisted side and give them too much responsibility.
Advice: Just go slow, listen, learn and you will be fine.

Response by LTC Charles T Dalbec made Jul 27 at 2022 2:04 PM

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While NCOs are ‘all knowing’ just remember that Officers learn from their GREAT NCOs. Hooah!!