Mass shooting statistics prompts gun control, tragic, but overreaction?

2015-07-10T13:15:26-04:00

Mass shootings are horribly tragic with out a doubt, and rightfully lead to a discussion of how they could be prevented, but I was surprised how few mass shootings there actually are (15), and even more surprised that almost half have occurred during the current administration (7).

I'm not trying to blame the administration, but putting forth the theory that gun control debate might have the undesired effect of inflated gun ownership by untrained and/or unstable people, and further result in an increase in mass shootings.

Thoughts?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

List of rampage killers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the tables that follow, the "W" column indicates the weapon, or weapons, used. Details are listed in the Annotation section.

Response by Col Joseph Lenertz made Jul 10 at 2015 1:17 PM

2015-07-10T13:17:34-04:00

Check out how many have occurred in "Gun Free" zones. I think it is 14 of the 15.

Response by PO1 John Miller made Jul 10 at 2015 1:20 PM

2015-07-10T13:20:19-04:00

Check out how many of the shooters illegally obtained their weapons.

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Jul 10 at 2015 1:25 PM

2015-07-10T13:25:47-04:00

The gun control debate has little to do with it. There are two problems: The AWB ending in 2004 increased the availability and decreased the costs of certain types of firearms immensely and the internet/news cycle making these guys famous. Mass killings have entered the popular conscious and the public eats that crap up, which in turn encourages mass killings and increases the concerns around gun control.

Want to reduce mass killings? Stop identifying the killers and spend more time talking about the victims.

Response by LTC Ed Ross made Jul 10 at 2015 1:29 PM

2015-07-10T13:29:09-04:00

Here are my thoughts on the subject. http://ewross.com/the_lesson_we_should_learn_from_the_norway_shootings.htm

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 10 at 2015 2:46 PM

2015-07-10T14:46:31-04:00

This would be a good topic of discussion w/ LTC Dave Grossman. I had the privilege of attending two of his speeches - once in Police Academy, & again as a civilian police officer. His book On Killing is remarkable in its study of the modern mass murderer.
I remember studying Columbine in depth. I remember watching it unfold in the field house out in the ICBM fields of Minot. I kept thinking, "why in the HELL are the officer just standing out there?!? Rush the damn building and get them!!!" As soon as they did, those monsters killed themselves.

Response by LTC John Shaw made Jul 10 at 2015 4:04 PM

2015-07-10T16:04:19-04:00

SPC David Hannaman One mass shooting is too many, so we need to have the discussion of how they can be prevented. If the answer in someone's head is I want to plan, coordinate and conduct a mass shooting, this goes to the state of mental health coverage. Most mass shooting are mental health cases first. In the rare situation when the the mass shooting is a symptom of a depraved heart and those who advocate for gun control say, 'but for' the gun these shootings would not occur.
I support the 2nd Amendment and DO NOT want to see lawful gun owners lose rights, but do believe we need to look hard at preventable violence and be willing to review mental health laws and associated gun ownership.
The Gun control crowd overreaches after each mass shooting event to restrict lawful gun ownership. I find the political theater and commentary disingenuous.

Response by PO1 Dustin Adams made Jul 10 at 2015 6:04 PM

2015-07-10T18:04:52-04:00

I'm still on the fence on the validity of the theory that there seems to be a common factor with most of these shooters, the use of psychotropic medications. There is definitely some interesting data associated with the theory.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/dramatic-increase-of-mass-shootings-in-america-the-role-of-prescription-psychiatric-drugs/5358896

Response by COL Ted Mc made Jul 11 at 2015 2:18 AM

2015-07-11T02:18:59-04:00

SPC David Hannaman - Spec; "Gun Control" won't STOP mass murderers, it will simply make it harder for them to acquire the weapons that they want to use. "Harder" is not the same thing as "impossible".

Until you have a society which doesn't "empower" criminals by blasting their exploits all over the map, doesn't refer to "murder" as "execution", and starts referring to the mass murderers as "demented creeps" (or similar), you are always going to have them around. [NOTE:- Even then you are going to have them around - you just aren't going to have quite so many of them and the number of "copycats" will drop precipitously.]

Response by SGT Richard H. made Jul 13 at 2015 9:29 AM

2015-07-13T09:29:20-04:00

Yes, I definitely think it's an overreaction. Think of it this way: Almost every mass shooting has been perpetrated by *one guy*. Lets say we enact gun control on the scale of Australia. Does that stop that *one guy* from getting his hands on a gun? Not likely.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Oct 2 at 2015 7:20 PM

2015-10-02T19:20:16-04:00

Yes it is, I have noticed that Americans love to run around all day long like little minions until something tragic happens, then all these monsters come out of no where and all have ideas as to how to stop such an incident...if they have such grand notions then why in the bloody hell dont they come forth sooner and actually prevent it in the 1st place? To date I have yet to see ANYONE come up with a feasible action to stop most anything. A criminal or mentally challenged person doesnt have a play book to study, they dont follow laws. To me the only recourse would be to have more citizens armed and make it more difficult for a criminal or nut job to get as far as they do. Proper training instead of bridge club or Bingo, if your gonna throw your time away , might as well do something worthwhile that could save a life... Just my 2 cents.

Response by SPC Luis Mendez made Oct 3 at 2015 4:03 PM

2015-10-03T16:03:59-04:00

NO need at all for more "gun-control", what's in place should be enough and gun ownership is a Right. What really, REALLY needs changing Completely is Criminal Laws. The way to do it, was Clearly Set-up in the Scriptures thousands of years ago, in Gen. 9:5,6. If Justice is done in ALL cases maybe some fear will take hold in the hearths and minds of Criminals and they will think twice.

But in a Corrupt, Incompetent and Perverted "Legal" system, these Criminals get away with Murder daily. Case in Point the Colorado Theater mass murderer.

Response by SGT Rick Ash made Oct 12 at 2015 4:43 AM

2015-10-12T04:43:35-04:00

They need to add a psychological test to the Range & Classroom time to get a concealed weapon permit. I am lucky in that Kentucky has an "open carry" policy as well and that's how I roll. .45 cal Glock in a cut down belt holster.

Response by ENS Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 12 at 2016 3:21 PM

2016-06-12T15:21:21-04:00

I'm going to link over to my discussion, but simply put - these innocent people had to WAIT until Law Enforcement arrived to SHOOT this guy and stop him.. If someone had been carrying, they could have saved countless lives. It isn't the fact that a mad man had access to a gun, it is the fact that he supported ISIS/ISIL. He'd have acquired a gun even if the entire country banned them. And for argument's sake, lets say he didn't have a gun. A knife wielding man can kill dozens of people in minutes - a bomb man can kill more in an instant... The lunatic religion radicals are the problem - not the weapons. Guns will protect people from the insane, even if the insane have a gun. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.

Check out my discussion below..

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-is-your-take-on-liberals-using-the-tragic-florida-shooting-as-momentum-to-ban-guns

What is your take on Liberals using the tragic Florida shooting as momentum to ban guns? |...

50 innocent people were slain when a gunman identified as Omar S. Mateen, a 29-year-old Florida resident and U.S. citizen (who is alleged to support ISIS/ISIL) went on a shooting rampage in Orlando Florida. Immediately, liberals have began shouting this is the fault of guns. Articles already stating that an "assault rifle" was used. Clearly, disregarding the fact that the shooting was a lunatic who supported ISIS. In my opinion, if guns were...

Response by Sgt Dale Boston made Dec 14 at 2019 11:14 AM

2019-12-14T11:14:58-05:00

8/3/19
The answer is uniform armed security guard everywhere will slow down or stop the
damage and killing being done until law enforcement arrive.
now they will be identified by having on a uniform. (no confusion).
teachers are not getting paid enough to teach, don't give them another job that will distract from their main purpose, what if the teacher is injured and a student picks up the weapon and law enforcement arrives, that kid is dead. especially if the child is black or Latino.
such a simple salutation when we have many trained and qualified ex-military.
that will always love this country and would defend it at home as well as abroad.
watch videos on Youtube at any mall in the Philippines and tell me what you see.
Banks, mc Donald's, 711, hospitals and schools, hotels and restaurants.
it is a 3rd world country? they are doing much better than us in this department.
i am a Vietnam combat veteran a former marine sergeant E-5.
This is something to do while waiting on the politicians to do the right thing.
with the world changing we had recruiting stations all over the country with trained soldiers with no weapons. try having police stations with no weapons.