Millions of Arabs live in Israel but no Israeli's live in Gaza. Thoughts?

2014-08-05T13:15:03-04:00

Hmmmm...... It's difficult to argue a logic like this. However I won't be surprised if someone tries......

Response by SCPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 5 at 2014 1:37 PM

2014-08-05T13:37:42-04:00

I'm not sure there's any logic to argue there. The fact that in the town I grew up in there were no Muslims, few Asians, indeed few or none of anything but Caucasian Christians and a few Jews did not make us racist. Of course, it didn't mean there weren't some racists in the town (I'm sure there were). Similarly, there are definitely racists in various highly diverse locations - France, New York City, Los Angeles, Boston, and the list goes on...

The argument would be far better if it addressed things like whether Arabs or Jews were evicted by the authorities in either jurisdiction (side point: the Gaza strip is not a "state," nor is the Palestinian Authority, of which Gaza is a part). Further, what are the policies of the government regarding religious and ethnic tolerance and civil rights? Are those policies enforced? Are the rules for citizenship the same regardless of religious or ethnic affiliation?

Just a comparison, South Africa under apartheid had millions of non-whites living in the country. Could the governing White minority claim it wasn't racist because there were millions of non-whites?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 8 at 2014 7:26 PM

2014-08-08T19:26:45-04:00

I have seen similar posts about other locations and ethnicities in our own country.

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made Dec 15 at 2014 4:51 AM

2014-12-15T04:51:54-05:00

I'm sitting in Tel Aviv right now and my perception is that the people in Israel want a better life, Im just not sure they know how to proceed..... or maybe the religions keep them from doing what is necessary to advance and build nicer buildings, tear down dilapidated buildings, etc.. generally speaking they do seem to dress nice.

The street markets are something else... you can get anything and everything regarding foods and house supplies. Also everyone seems to have a cell phone and like most countries they walk down the street staring at them blindly...

I have no real idea what I'm talking about, this is my first time in Israel and I've been here for 2 days so far. So this is just a thought and not even an opinion about anything.

So here's my opinion: Extreme dedication to any religion will keep you from advancing your material capitalist life. If your lifes ambition is complete dedication to your religion thats fine, but then you can't complain when others have more material things. When governments are run by dedicated religious people, capitalism takes a back seat.

One of the things I notice here is that the people don't have any priority to make personal stuff look nice. They have cars, scooters and places to live, but no or little money is spent on keeping or making them look appealing to other people who might be walking by. Many people might say thats an american personality to make things look nice for other people. But the facts are that when you take care of your scooter by cleaning it, waxing it, etc.... your also more probably keeping it in better maintenance and thus making it last a lot longer. In the long run its cheaper to take better care of your stuff.

I think the really great thing about America is the tolerance not only the government has but the people have for the freedom to believe and practice and live how you would like. Don't push me into religion and I won't push you into owning a high value business where you make a lot of money. The choice is yours.

I hope this was not to far off topic, this is just one dumb ass american's point of view from being here for 2 days. I know this subject goes a lot lot deeper.

Capitalist can't fix it because they don't understand what is in the minds of dedicated religious people. But dedicated religious people can't fix it either because making life better for others in not necessarily on the top of their agenda. Getting you to understand their way of life is what seems to be their agenda. But if they ever succeed in making you understand dedicated religion, capitalism will cease because you can't have both (unless your a tv Evangelist).

Response by SSG Charles Coats made Mar 8 at 2015 11:19 PM

2015-03-08T23:19:38-04:00

Jews also live in Iran peacefully, so what's the point? Also, let's look at how those Arabs are treated in Israel...

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/daily_life.html

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 9 at 2015 12:44 AM

2015-03-09T00:44:24-04:00

Many Palestines where kicked out of Egypt and several other countries.

Response by SPC Randy Torgerson made Mar 9 at 2015 2:55 PM

2015-03-09T14:55:14-04:00

I don't think it matters. We humans can get so petty sometimes. People should live where they want, what makes them happy, what makes them want to flourish. Who cares about your religion, your race, your likes and dislikes. That is what makes freedom so special.

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Oct 30 at 2017 5:23 PM

2017-10-30T17:23:37-04:00

What about Christians. In the one honest election Gaza had the Christians went 85% for Hamas

Response by SSG Edward Tilton made Nov 3 at 2017 9:31 PM

2017-11-03T21:31:49-04:00

If they all came to the border and wanted into Israel they would be admitted?

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Nov 3 at 2017 9:57 PM

2017-11-03T21:57:01-04:00

Gee, could it be the Fact that HAMAS (a terrorist anti-jewish group) runs the Gaza Strip. You know the folks that fire hundreds if not thousands of rockets into Israel every year, plants IED's and conducts suicide bombing on Israelis every year. Just what would the life expectancy be for a Jew in the strip? Those that want to live peaceably in Israel do so, those that don't are moved out. Not killed, not put into concentration camps, moved out of the country. Study your history, the Middle East is screwed up because the Brits, French divided the area after the WWI with no regard to tribal/ethnic concern. Then they promised the Arabs and the Jews their own homelands for helping during WWII. 1947 Israel came into existence and almost immediately, every Arab Nation around them declared war on them. Palestinians can not trace themselves back to any of the ancient tribes of Palestine, but the Jews can trace their occupation to that time. If Israel could have secure borders, they would be happy, but how can you treat with anyone who-1. Says all Jews must die. 2. Does not recognize the nation of Israel. 3. Launches almost daily attacks against you. You figure it out and you could have a Nobel Peace prize.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2017 10:53 PM

2017-11-03T22:53:14-04:00

Gaza is a dump.
No Israelis live there because it is a dump... and openly hostile.
There are a ton of Palestinians crammed into a very tight space, subject to blockade, and governed by a terrorist organization.
But go ahead.
Start a timeshare there.
I'm sure it will be awesome.

Response by PO2 Allan Muller made Dec 20 at 2023 6:59 PM

2023-12-20T18:59:51-05:00

Exactly, Gaza is Jew free because they hate Jewish people. In Israel Arabs citizenship is just like any other person, they enjoy the same privileges as Israelis do. As far as the Arab world in general, Israel is the safest place for Arabs. Israel.wants to live in peace with everybody. Israel right to defend itself is without question. It has to right and duty to destroy Hamas to prevent another "Pogrom" attack. The other side of the world always wants Israel to stop fighting in the name of peace, and has never been able to crush their attackers because of world pressure.

Personally, I am tired of the #antisemitism I and my ancestors have had to put up with, my grandparents were murdered by a potato-masher grenade when the Nazis arrived in their town to kill all the Jews and throw them in to a mass grave in the Jewish cemetery. My cousin was taken from her job at Semens in Berlin and perished in a concentration camp. There were more relatives that were murdered by the Nazi's. Jewish jokes, because I don't look like a 'Jew'.