SGM Matthew Quick 10661 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As the transition from major combat operations/deployments to more time in garrison environments accelerates, what are your thoughts about the weights of multiple deployments and college degrees for promotion potential/continued service? More Important: Multiple Deployments or College Degree? 2013-11-24T00:21:35-05:00 SGM Matthew Quick 10661 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>As the transition from major combat operations/deployments to more time in garrison environments accelerates, what are your thoughts about the weights of multiple deployments and college degrees for promotion potential/continued service? More Important: Multiple Deployments or College Degree? 2013-11-24T00:21:35-05:00 2013-11-24T00:21:35-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 10678 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think both are important and have their place in expediting some one's career toward success.  I would rather work with, for, or lead a well rounded soldier over one that only has education but no experience or the other way around.  Having deployment experience is obviously important and the merits for such experience go without saying.  Having an education is also important as you move through the ranks because it will broaden you perspective, improve critical thinking/research skills, give you some subject matter expertise that is hard to gain through other channels, and it will almost always improve your oral and written communication which I feel is incredibly important in today's Army.  <br> Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2013 1:11 AM 2013-11-24T01:11:51-05:00 2013-11-24T01:11:51-05:00 SSG Andrew Dydasco 57338 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Deployments. &amp;nbsp;Our profession is Soldier. &amp;nbsp;Peacetime or not: Deployment is our Superbowl; our Olympics. &amp;nbsp;College education is important, but our profession isn&#39;t students. &amp;nbsp;We can be both a student and a Soldier, but if you meet someone and they ask you what you do for a living, I&#39;ll bet you&#39;ll say you&#39;re a Soldier before you say you&#39;re a student.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;edit: I noticed Corporal Fittizzi is in on this discussion. &amp;nbsp;Feel free to replace &quot;Soldier&quot; with &quot;Marine&quot; wherever you see fit. :) Response by SSG Andrew Dydasco made Feb 14 at 2014 3:30 PM 2014-02-14T15:30:16-05:00 2014-02-14T15:30:16-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 57341 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MSG Quick,<div><br></div><div>I think they are both needed. But look at the SMA he has only one deployment and where is he sitting. So I don't think Deployments matter at that level. I would say get the Degree now while TA can help pay for and most units afford soldiers time to go to school. </div><div>Just my thoughts.</div><div><br></div><div>V/R </div><div><br></div><div>1SG Haro</div> Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2014 3:39 PM 2014-02-14T15:39:17-05:00 2014-02-14T15:39:17-05:00 SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member 57349 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>As someone with both a college degree and two deployments, I can say that I feel more experienced with both.</p><p><br></p><p>For me, college was four years of knowing what was important and what was NOT important.  To me, THAT is the critical knowledge that everyone should have, whether gained through college or other experience (deployments?).  I got an "A" in a course having gone to class only three times.  I knew when I needed to be there, and how to get the notes inbetween those times.</p><p><br></p><p>Two deployments gave me more experience as a Soldier and a leader.  I saw lots of good leadership and lots of not so good leadership.  You learn from both.  However, the take-away for deployments is the process, the workloads, the expectations, and dealing with being away from home/family as well as dealing with those in your unit and foreigners (be they friendly nations' military, host nation or third-country nationals).  During this decade+ of being at war, a leader should have some deployment experience.  Junior Soldiers look to leaders for reassurance and experience.  Without those, you are not as effective.</p><p><br></p><p>So both are important, and they should be weighted equally.  They are essential ingredients in the pie of leadership.  Taking out either one messes up the recipe.</p><p><br></p> Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2014 3:52 PM 2014-02-14T15:52:42-05:00 2014-02-14T15:52:42-05:00 CSM Michael Poll 57369 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The main duty for the peacetime servicemember is the preparation for war.  THis being said, the educated Soldier is also a more effective Soldier.  THey are able to utilize the education recieved as a multiplier in the operational aspect of the battlefield.  I believe that combat experiance and college education work together to make the most well rounded Soldier.  So i guess my anser is yes.. to both. Response by CSM Michael Poll made Feb 14 at 2014 4:28 PM 2014-02-14T16:28:07-05:00 2014-02-14T16:28:07-05:00 Maj Chris Nelson 57370 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>&lt;P&gt;I feel that Deployments, while it has impact, is really not a fair item to look at.&amp;nbsp; I know a number of people that, based on where they were stationed, their MOS/AFSC, and situational position for them, have NEVER been deployed.&amp;nbsp; &quot;NOT FAIR&quot; many would say....especially those of us with 2 or more and others with none.&amp;nbsp; But in the AF, I can say that deployment is a hit and miss item based on need and rotations AND where you are at.&amp;nbsp; Army is one that most often deploys as a unit, so if a new arrival to the unit gets there while the unit is deployed or shortly after they return home, they may PCS prior to the next deployment rotation.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/P&gt;<br />&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;<br />&lt;P&gt;Education shows that the individual is doing what they can to promote themselves and prepare for their future.&amp;nbsp; Again, some locations do not have enough down time to allow significant educational oppertunities for troops....so this also becomes a problem.&amp;nbsp; I would weigh each member individually and make decissions on the situation that they are in.&lt;/P&gt; Response by Maj Chris Nelson made Feb 14 at 2014 4:29 PM 2014-02-14T16:29:31-05:00 2014-02-14T16:29:31-05:00 1LT Private RallyPoint Member 57407 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>College over deployment depending on the timeframe for both.  If you have someone who's BASD is at or before 2001, who successfully completed a degree on active duty since, and who has zero combat tours; then I would prefer a back to back deployer with no degree.<br><br>The above is an extreme example and the easy answer is both.  It is possible to squeeze in an associates degree with one or three deployments in a career.<br><br>In the long run: college.  College means you sat down, got education, and are hopefully utilizing it for Uncle Sam's best interests. A deployment just means that you were there, it doesn't say anything about the quality of the experience.  A hard tour in garrison is better than MWR NCOIC for a whole rotation downrange. Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 14 at 2014 5:14 PM 2014-02-14T17:14:44-05:00 2014-02-14T17:14:44-05:00 SSG Private RallyPoint Member 58436 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Both are, some people are willing to work harder to achieve them. Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 1:10 PM 2014-02-16T13:10:33-05:00 2014-02-16T13:10:33-05:00 MSgt Private RallyPoint Member 58438 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>I think both are important in creating the well rounded military member.  I think that college degree's however have become watered down to the point that they aren't all that meaningful anymore.  I watched several Airman take the easiest class they could, to get the credits and earn a degree simply to 'check the box' for promotion.  All the on base colleges, internet degree mills etc. are simply businesses striving to make money. I am known for stating "take a class, pay your fee and get your 'B'".  I usually said this somewhat 'tongue in cheek' until I took some classes to finish out my CCAF and later to work on my bachelor's.  I sat through those classes and watched people not attend class, barely participate, occasionally turn in their homework and still pass the class.  The instructor told me everyone passes the classes because that is what they paid for. A minimum passing score to receive credit needed for degree completion.  Granted those 'slackers' received the lowest possible score to still get credit, which lowered their GPA, but we don't look at GPA's on promotion boards, we just look to see if the "square is filled or not", very few businesses look at GPA, they only care that you have the piece of paper.  </p><p><br></p><p>Deployment experience is invaluable experience but it doesn't fully prepare the military member for future leadership roles.  We still need to complete PME/ leadership courses, and have the time to be mentored by current leaders to prepare us.  When deployed that level of mentoring declines as the focus is on the mission at hand.  Members in garrison that have deployment experience need to pass that experience on to those they haven't deployed through training, exercises and mentorship.</p><p><br></p><p>So for promotion potential, both are important, I think however that deployment experience and the subsequent leadership of that member should way heavier than education.  </p><p><br></p><p>For continued service we need to retain as many of those quality members as we can to retain that experience and pass it on before the next major conflict arises.</p> Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 1:23 PM 2014-02-16T13:23:06-05:00 2014-02-16T13:23:06-05:00 PO1 Private RallyPoint Member 58455 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The question being which is a more valuable asset to senior leadership, multiple deployments or a college degree. I would lean toward the experience having only those two choices available as I believe that neither are crucial to quality leadership.  A competent leader can go into an unknown situation having only knowledge of his soldiers and be successful by putting people in the best positions to suit their strengths.  The success of a leader doesn't come down to one or two attributes, but the ability to properly train, educate, and grow the people they command. Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 1:57 PM 2014-02-16T13:57:34-05:00 2014-02-16T13:57:34-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 58463 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>From the HRC page on what will be looked at for retention boards Deployment time doesn't help and degrees do a little.<div><br></div><div>Just my observation.</div> Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 2:27 PM 2014-02-16T14:27:34-05:00 2014-02-16T14:27:34-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 58464 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think that sometimes a college degree is over rated in the military. I have several experiences where two soldiers are far apart on certain MOS critical skills but the one with less MOS experience will get promoted over the other because of more college credit. That to me is a broken system and the Army National Guard needs to address it ASAP. Now as CSM Michael Poll described that an educated soldier is a more effective soldier, I have to agree. A person who takes the time to better him/herself by working toward a degree will undoubtedly serve his/her command better than someone just trying to do his time and get out. I would have to say that both avenues of experience are valuable, it just depends on a fine balance of the two to make the most good in my opinion.  Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 2:27 PM 2014-02-16T14:27:41-05:00 2014-02-16T14:27:41-05:00 SSG Ralph Watkins 58465 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>People speak of assignments &amp; not being able to deploy but I've known people who were stuck in the opposite position.  Multiple deployments to the point where they could not take college courses.  When it came time for promotion points, they were at a disadvantage.  To me that is not fair to the soldier who has the experience but has been hindered by no fault of their own from doing education.  Given a person's job &amp; region, they may not have the luxury of doing education downrange.  I think the military doesn't recognize that perspective of military life for the most part.  The system has flaws in it but I'm not sure how to alleviate them. Response by SSG Ralph Watkins made Feb 16 at 2014 2:27 PM 2014-02-16T14:27:45-05:00 2014-02-16T14:27:45-05:00 MSG Private RallyPoint Member 58473 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think the answer to this question varies by MOS.  In my MOS, I think deployments are more important than college, and the more the better.  We cannot replicate interrogations or other functions of our job effectively in a garrison environment.  I say this with two degrees and five deployments under my belt, operational experience was far more important. Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Feb 16 at 2014 2:46 PM 2014-02-16T14:46:25-05:00 2014-02-16T14:46:25-05:00 SFC Michael Hasbun 58521 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Thinking long term, the degree is more important. Whether it&#39;s retirement or ETS, we all have to get out eventually. Odds are, your new boss won&#39;t care how many deployments you have, but he WILL care about your education, certification and qualifications... Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Feb 16 at 2014 6:11 PM 2014-02-16T18:11:00-05:00 2014-02-16T18:11:00-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 109783 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>I think it will take another ten years to see the benefits of the true balance.</p><p> </p><p>Most all of us in today are combat veterans and many of us with multiple tours. While there are a lot of Soldiers with degrees, there are far more without. If you look at the promotion reports from the last SFC selection board it is evident to me that at this point our senior leadership that is sitting on the selection boards are not just looking for those with college degrees. Too many times the first thing we hear from our Senior leaders is one of two things "you need to have a degree" and/or "you have too much dwell time". Personally I don't feel that either of those are completley accurate as it takes a little bit of both as well as many other things.</p><p> </p><p>I have been here in TRADOC for almost two years now and witness fellow NCOs that have (for one example) 4 months deployed back in 2004, was a DS as a SSG, recruiter as a SSG, PSG as a SSG, and had an associates as a SSG. However since then he has been in TRADOC as an instructor/writer the only thing that he has done is attain his bachelors and masters degree. He has been doing the same job essentially for the last 7 years. He is puzzled as to why he can't get selected for MSG. I try to talk to him and help mentor him and his only defense is "but I have a masters degree". </p><p> </p><p>A CSM said it here a few months back and it will always hold true in my mind with the above example, "what got you to SFC, will not get you to MSG".</p> Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2014 9:07 AM 2014-04-24T09:07:33-04:00 2014-04-24T09:07:33-04:00 SFC William Swartz Jr 109802 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I would think that by this point in time, especially for the SR ranks, that those with multiple deployments who have &quot;done the deed&quot; that they have been trained for would be looked at in a more positive light for promotions. &quot;Book smarts&quot; are nice, but we are a profession of arms and I think the &quot;street smarts&quot; that have been honed and put to use would be more important for the future. But as it has always been, so it seems, there will be a see-sawing of the importance of education and/or practical experience. Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Apr 24 at 2014 9:28 AM 2014-04-24T09:28:54-04:00 2014-04-24T09:28:54-04:00 MSG Martin C. 109938 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is my believe that both are important. The Army its rapidly modernizing and requires Soldiers to be adaptive and smart. A college degree will not guarantee common sense or smarts but it shows discipline and desire for higher learning. How can one in the enlisted side ever expect our officers to treat us at the level if we lack intellect to participate at higher echelons briefings and training. A successful deployment proofs that you can do your job and lead your troops in the environment the Army was designed to operate. Response by MSG Martin C. made Apr 24 at 2014 11:58 AM 2014-04-24T11:58:31-04:00 2014-04-24T11:58:31-04:00 CW2 Private RallyPoint Member 112131 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MSG, I would say a balance of both would be heavily sought after for retention and promotion during the downsizing. I have one deployment and a bachelors degree which allows me to talk to Soldiers about combat and also about civilian education. I would definitely like to have more deployment experience but unfortunately that won't happen but the balance will help me be a better leader, coach, and mentor. Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2014 3:24 PM 2014-04-26T15:24:16-04:00 2014-04-26T15:24:16-04:00 1LT Private RallyPoint Member 112139 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MSG Quick,<br /><br />Great question!!! <br /><br />My response is that while there may be plusses and minuses of deployments vs college with respect to promotion, there is no question that a college degree is good contingency planning for transition to civilian life in an era of major force restructuring and downsizing.<br /><br />The real question is when and where best to pursue the college degree, whether on active duty or after transition to the civilian sector where you have the GI bill and other programs to support a wider variety of choices.<br /><br />Implicit within this discussion is the question of why you are pursuing a college degree. If it is for the sake of a few promotion points perhaps it is the wrong time to pursue the degree. If it is for the purpose of trying to learn what is important to you as an individual, acquire knowledge / skills / abilities that will serve you well within and beyond the military, and/or to engage in new experiences that will help you feel more, grow, and develop as an individual then college may be best investment ever.<br /><br />A serious problem may be too many servicemembers who put off college eduction may never return to school for economic and other reasons.<br /><br />In the end, you place your bets and take your chances. Just work very hard to be your very best at any time and do your best to love and enjoy the experience.<br /><br />Life is too short to waste it on engagements you do not value highly.<br /><br />Warmest Regards, Sandy<br /><br /><a target="_blank" href="http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/">http://www.linkedin.com/today/post/article/</a> [login to see] 0 [login to see] 0-career-curveballs-no-longer-a-soldier?trk=object-title Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 26 at 2014 3:33 PM 2014-04-26T15:33:13-04:00 2014-04-26T15:33:13-04:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 113266 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>MSG,<br />It is messed up that it took them most of the way through the wars to finally start counting deployments. When the wars end and the OPTEMPO goes back to pre 2000 times than the college education will go back to being a higher priority. <br /><br />I think the truth has always been who is willing to put in the extra effort for both officers and enlisted. Are you willing to do the suck of drill, AIT instructor or recruiter. As well boards tend to notice those people who take the time to professionally develop themselves. Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 27 at 2014 11:09 PM 2014-04-27T23:09:14-04:00 2014-04-27T23:09:14-04:00 CW4 Private RallyPoint Member 114063 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Why does it have to be one or the other. I have multiple deployments and my Masters degree. Do I think one is more important then the other? Not really. They have both expanded my view not only as a Soldier but as a person. Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 28 at 2014 9:50 PM 2014-04-28T21:50:43-04:00 2014-04-28T21:50:43-04:00 SSG Ed Mikus 172075 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>both are important however i learned more from each of my combat deployments than i have in my masters program so i would have to vote for deployments. Response by SSG Ed Mikus made Jul 6 at 2014 9:29 PM 2014-07-06T21:29:24-04:00 2014-07-06T21:29:24-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 182887 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes. <a class="dark-link bold-link" role="profile-hover" data-qtip-container="body" data-id="26105" data-source-page-controller="question_response_contents" href="/profiles/26105-sgm-matthew-quick">SGM Matthew Quick</a> I think that is the correct answer. It really depends on which board you are going before and when. Each board is different with different instructions. One may be looking for staff SGM and would benefit more if you had a logistics background or degree. There the degree may be more beneficial, but if looking for CSM for infantry you are looking for SL, PSG, and 1SG time while deployed to bolster up your chances of getting picked up. Same with officers. Degrees can help plan and deployments with leadership positions will help going for leadership positions that could result in another deployment.<br /><br />In reality it also depends on what your degree is going to be in if it is related in any way to your career field or not. And deployments where you are a small part that really is not a leadership position it may not help with promotion. Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2014 1:44 AM 2014-07-21T01:44:59-04:00 2014-07-21T01:44:59-04:00 SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member 371535 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think that both are important; however I feel that education has a slight advantage during peacetime. Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 7:36 PM 2014-12-15T19:36:44-05:00 2014-12-15T19:36:44-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 371815 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Those who did deploy, and weren't "fobbits", didn't have time to earn degrees. Even the typical Criminal Justice or Homeland Security Associates degree from a degree mill that caters to the military (like AMU) can take 4-6 years. Making a degree a requirement for advancement to a certain rank gives an unfair advantage to those who never deployed or who sat on a FOB with 24/7 internet access. While those who deployed multiple times, and did their jobs , are shoved to the rear, punished for being good at doing their jobs in a combat environment. That doesn't mean that those with a degree don't have the potential to be good at combat, just that they haven't proven it yet. Multiple deployments more than makes up for a lack of civilian education. How many Soldiers do you know with a degree, yet with a complete and total lack of common sense? How many of your former leaders were college graduates who were complete idiots? A degree doesn't confer confidence or competence; surviving and thriving through multiple deployments does. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 10:49 PM 2014-12-15T22:49:52-05:00 2014-12-15T22:49:52-05:00 SGT Kristin Wiley 805100 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I feel that both are more important than NCOES, but the semi-centralized promotion system doesn't feel that same way. Real life experience and education is always more beneficial than simulated leadership training. Response by SGT Kristin Wiley made Jul 10 at 2015 9:28 AM 2015-07-10T09:28:11-04:00 2015-07-10T09:28:11-04:00 CW4 Private RallyPoint Member 807108 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think deployment history is an important aspect to evaluate the future potential of a leader because you can draw a mental picture of that leader and all the possible mental and physical aspects of excelling under stress and harsh conditions. I also believe that a college education is vital to measuring potential growth and peformance of a leader too. How do we determine what is more important? I had a senior rater who once told me "if you haven't deployed In the last 24-48 months, you better have some college and your PME better be caught up." If you have many deployments and college, that says a lot about you and the emphasis that you place in all aspects of your career. Response by CW4 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2015 1:23 AM 2015-07-11T01:23:04-04:00 2015-07-11T01:23:04-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 807164 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Having recently attended phase 1 SLC, I had first hand exposure to the Total Soldier Concept that the Army is trying to develop within it's leadership ranks. It was rather surprising to see just how many senior or nearly senior NCOs had troubles with written research papers, public speaking (giving a timed briefing), and doing well on a research-based exam. Combat experience has its value, no doubt, as does deployment experience. However, in line with the Total Soldier Concept, it takes more then hooah, physically fit presence to lead the technologically savvy millennials that are coming up the ranks. I feel you need a good college education to finish developing those "soft" skills. <br /><br />More recruits are coming in with some college behind them already. Leaders need to be on par with that. Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2015 2:38 AM 2015-07-11T02:38:21-04:00 2015-07-11T02:38:21-04:00 LCDR Private RallyPoint Member 851596 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Many retired service members say that you didn't need a college degree 20-30 years ago, and experience helped you advance. Perhaps depending on the field, that may be true. Generally, I think deployments earn you more street credibility and promotions in the military, but if you are transitioning to civilian life in the near future, civilians understand the value of the degree better than they can grasp the value of deployments. <br /><br />Plus, if you start school and then find out that you are deploying, schools will allow you to pause your degree during your deployment. So while I don't think that the degree makes you any smarter, it does make you more marketable. Response by LCDR Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 28 at 2015 10:59 PM 2015-07-28T22:59:59-04:00 2015-07-28T22:59:59-04:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 863823 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Your comparing apples and oranges. You have to look at the total person. No one thing on your resume/record is more important than the other (leadership skill, duty performance in peace and war, MOS skills, physical fitness, military/civilian education, etc.) Also deployments depend on timing. Anybody in the military service is supposed to be preparing to deploy. Although you can volunteer, still no guarantee you would go; most deployments are based on needs of soldiers with particular skills at particular time. It would not be fair to deny promotion because a soldier wasn't called up. Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 3 at 2015 11:20 PM 2015-08-03T23:20:19-04:00 2015-08-03T23:20:19-04:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 875834 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>it was a good idea about the combat tours for promotion potential, but as the wars are winding down, maybe the senior leadership needs to re-evaluate the process. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 9 at 2015 2:58 AM 2015-08-09T02:58:26-04:00 2015-08-09T02:58:26-04:00 SSG David Dickson 1137459 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That's almost as loaded a question as TDA vs. TO&amp;E experience. I would give a slight nod to deployments, as our primary responsibility is accomplishment of the mission followed only by ensuring the welfare of Soldiers. To be relevant as deployment opportunities decrease, we must be able to provide effective leadership to our Soldiers in both deployed and garrison environs, as such, a college degree does have value to a non-commissioned officer. Response by SSG David Dickson made Nov 28 at 2015 7:32 PM 2015-11-28T19:32:08-05:00 2015-11-28T19:32:08-05:00 LtCol Robert Quinter 1149173 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>A short story you can take for what it&#39;s worth. In 1970 I came home as a Captain from VN and ended up being assigned as the Group Adjutant of a 16 squadron unit. Was former enlisted, had served as a pilot in a carrier based unit on a cruise prior to the VN tour, meritoriously augmented into the regular Corps (a big deal), had a chest full of medals including a Silver Star and had been one of the lead pilots in my VN unit. Was talking with a Major one day and he asked if I had a degree. I said no, but I thought my record would carry me. He looked at me and told me he wanted to see the enrollment papers for one of the local schools for a course by the next week. After about a year during which I had been taking courses, I got a letter from the CMC commending my service to date, but advising me that I was career limited unless I got my degree. Fortunately, the Major making me start classes had put me into the position where I got my degree prior to being in the zone of consideration for promotion to Major. Keep in mind that this the 70s when all our systems and procedures were a lot less sophisticated than they are now. Anyone can get shot at and demonstrate excellence in the field, but the guy who is senior to you probably demonstrated his mental capabilities and the current proof of those capabilities is a degree. May not be fair or right, but I think you will find it true. Response by LtCol Robert Quinter made Dec 3 at 2015 8:59 PM 2015-12-03T20:59:18-05:00 2015-12-03T20:59:18-05:00 MAJ Raúl Rovira 1481899 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I'll go for option C, all of the above. <br /><br />During OIF-1 I took graduate courses at night. Eventual graduated.<br /><br />When I served at the Embassy in Egypt during the Morsy revolution of 2013, I finished ILE (DL version) and started another graduate degree. It all comes down to sleep management and time management:) Response by MAJ Raúl Rovira made Apr 27 at 2016 1:24 AM 2016-04-27T01:24:13-04:00 2016-04-27T01:24:13-04:00 SGT Ryan Lawson 3304966 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>College gives more promo points for sure... I did Argosy University Twin Cities: gives life experience credits, takes JSTs, accepts VA benefits, and gives 20% deal for active, reserve, or vets. Has accredited 100% online too! Associates-Doctoral. Response by SGT Ryan Lawson made Jan 29 at 2018 5:25 PM 2018-01-29T17:25:17-05:00 2018-01-29T17:25:17-05:00 Sgt Wayne Wood 3451119 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You need both to be a ‘renaisance man’ Response by Sgt Wayne Wood made Mar 15 at 2018 9:38 PM 2018-03-15T21:38:38-04:00 2018-03-15T21:38:38-04:00 SPC Jovani Daviu 3451170 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Multiple deployments will be my priority. I will find the time in between to work on my education. Response by SPC Jovani Daviu made Mar 15 at 2018 9:54 PM 2018-03-15T21:54:40-04:00 2018-03-15T21:54:40-04:00 CPL Sheila Lewis 4718722 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Multiple deployments happen to a many of US Soldiers and that should be expected because You are expected to be deployable so after your time in Service, start/ complete that degree. Response by CPL Sheila Lewis made Jun 13 at 2019 9:23 AM 2019-06-13T09:23:37-04:00 2019-06-13T09:23:37-04:00 CPL Sheila Lewis 4718723 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Mission First. Response by CPL Sheila Lewis made Jun 13 at 2019 9:23 AM 2019-06-13T09:23:54-04:00 2019-06-13T09:23:54-04:00 SFC Michael Hasbun 5082693 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>College Degree. <br />Eventually, ALL of us HAVE to leave the military. When you get out, 10 deployments and $5.00 will get you a venti white chocolate mocha at Starbucks. A degree however, will help you get a job... Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Oct 2 at 2019 9:55 AM 2019-10-02T09:55:22-04:00 2019-10-02T09:55:22-04:00 LTC Ken Connolly 5082956 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Both are important. However, long term benefit - college degree. With today&#39;s technology both can be accomplished simultaneously. Response by LTC Ken Connolly made Oct 2 at 2019 11:16 AM 2019-10-02T11:16:43-04:00 2019-10-02T11:16:43-04:00 2013-11-24T00:21:35-05:00