Murica? Do you think that it is right for College Students to say Pledge Against the USA?

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:33:54 -0500

I have said it all along but this is just part of a populace that is growing and that is anti-USA. I think it is time for us to put a reality hat and stop with the partisan shenanigans of a small portion of this society. Here below is the utter non-sense:

"If you sign up for Denver college professor Charles Angeletti's American Civilization class, be forewarned that you're going to have to recite his invective-filled 'New Pledge' -- and according to some of his students, also be ready to swallow a big helping of his politics.

Angeletti, who teaches at Metropolitan State University of Denver, has students learn an anti-American spoof of the Pledge of Allegiance that denounces the U.S. as a Republican-controlled bastion of injustice, all while spewing his own far-left brand of politics, according to current and former students.

“I pledge allegiance to and wrap myself in the flag of the United States Against Anything Un-American,” reads Angeletti's version. “And to the Republicans for which it stands, two nations, under Jesus, rich against poor, with curtailed liberty and justice for all except blacks, homosexuals, women who want abortions, Communists, welfare queens, treehuggers, feminazis, illegal immigrants, children of illegal immigrants, and you, if you don't watch your step.”

“We’re very racist, we’re very repressive, we’re very Christian oriented, we don’t tolerate other kinds of thinking in this country.”
- Charles Angeletti, professor at Metropolitan State University

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/08/college-prof-makes-students-recite-anti-american-pledge-allegiance/

What are your views other than it was Fox News? Are you really for America and this? Leave your voting cards at home...

College prof makes students recite anti-American 'pledge of allegiance'

A professor at a Colorado college made his students recite his own pledge to an America that is racist, sexist and homophobic in a failed attempt to prove a point.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2014 9:58 PM

PV2 Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 21:58:13 -0500

WTH?

Response by SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL made Dec 8 at 2014 10:01 PM

SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:01:28 -0500

I think every American has the right to freedom of speech, however to express your views in a derogatory manner against America in a public institution is so disrespectful. Wow this is taking ideology to the unknown and then some. SMDH...unbelievable nowadays in society-just my opinion.

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2014 10:10 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:10:21 -0500

This is what they teach now. It's not surprising when you realize it's the radical 60's anti-war hippies at the educators podium in most every lecture hall in the US.

They also teach that all white people are racists through micro-aggression. They teach that the founders were awful people; that the US is an imperial country who doesn't deserve it's progress and according to the "science czar," John Holdren, co-author of Ecoscience, the US MUST be deindustrialized.

Also, there are teachers, one being William Ayers of the weather underground a friend of the current pResident, that actually declared a "Declaration of a State of War" against the United States government in 1970. It's amazing so many of the "educated" believed everything that their professors said without any shred of evidence.

Response by LTC Paul Labrador made Dec 8 at 2014 10:15 PM

LTC Paul Labrador — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:15:25 -0500

As much as I love Colorado (and I intend on retiring there), Denver/Boulder area is infested with far left leaning radicals, particularly in the local academia. While not the same school, this is the environment that people like Ward Churchill thrive in.

Response by CPL Rick Stasny made Dec 8 at 2014 10:31 PM

CPL Rick Stasny — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:31:20 -0500

Well here is my First Amendment view of this so called pledge, Professor Angeletti may kiss my arse. Not on the right side and not on the left, but right in the middle.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 8 at 2014 10:30 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:30:01 -0500

What if he did that in North Korea? That liberal professor, the students and all the families would end up in a hard labor camp for the next 20 years fighting over a piece of corn found in cow dung. He is lucky to be in the land of the free, the brave and the right to hate America.

Response by SPC(P) Jay Heenan made Dec 8 at 2014 10:34 PM

SPC(P) Jay Heenan — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:34:45 -0500

It is so funny to me that people spend so much time protesting against America. Spewing anti-American crap, attempting to gain their 5 minutes of fame (thanks to social media), not realizing that in many places in the world, they would be jailed for saying, posting or publishing the same stuff. The 1st Amendment protects his right to spew whatever this stupid sh@t he wants, but it also protects my right to say...F#CK YOU DOUCHE BAG!

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 8 at 2014 10:36 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:36:49 -0500

Honestly, I find this to be very disgusting. Even in countries where communism or a dictatorship is well and alive, reverence and loyalty to one's country is mandatory. I can not respect people like that professor.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Dec 8 at 2014 10:39 PM

LTC Stephen C. — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:39:02 -0500

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member, there's a real easy fix for this guy. He doesn't like it here, I'll be happy to pay for his one way fare to the country of his choice, as I'm sure many others on this forum would be glad to do. No dual citizenship; it's clear he doesn't want it. However, confront this guy with such an offer, and I'll bet he says he wants to stay right here. Let's see, Iran, China, North Korea, and on and on. Wonder in which of these countries he could run his mouth as he does here in the good ole U.S. of A.?

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2014 10:41 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:41:40 -0500

He should be fired at any costs. Them let him get a sign and stand on a street corner...lol

Response by CPT Chris Loomis made Dec 8 at 2014 11:51 PM

CPT Chris Loomis — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 23:51:03 -0500

(DISCLAIMER: It is a well know fact that I speak my mind. I do not believe in pussy-footing around and/or being politically correct. I've allowed a few expletives fly from my lips. I'm patriotic to a fault and have absolutely zero-tolerance for anyone who doesn't love and appreciate the United States of America. I consider myself only a moderate Republican as I vote as I intellectually believe.

And, I apologize in advance if anything I say is offensive to anyone or comes across in anyway that is unbecoming of an Officer in the United States Armed Forces. )

I respect this man's constitutional right of free speech. We here make that possible for him.

However, I believe that what this liberal asshole is doing is extremely disrespectful to the Country that provides his civil liberties and that I love and selflessly serve. And, the fact that he's doing so at an academic institution and in a way that breeds further liberal idiocy makes me want to friggin puke. It's rather hypocritical when you think of it....

That being said, if he chooses to disregard his manners, patriotism, loyalty, common sense, and the beautiful intent of the United States Constitution, then I have no compunction in doing so also.

So, given the opportunity, my solution to this "problem" would be this: This jerk needs to beat unconscious with a flag pole having the colors attached. He then should have duct affixed over his eyes with all limbs restrained. The colors should then be removed from the staff and used to gag this guy. His limp body should then be placed into and seal in a parcel container and shipped to someplace like North Korea.

Just sayin....

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 9 at 2014 12:14 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 00:14:01 -0500

I read the pledge, and I think Karl Marx, the co-founder of socialism said it best, "accuse your enemies of what you do".

Response by SSG Tim Everett made Dec 9 at 2014 7:07 AM

SSG Tim Everett — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:07:03 -0500

Do I think it's right for them to have freedom of speech? Yes. Do I agree with their opinion? No. Freedom of speech isn't a weapon we wield against those with differing opinions. When you swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, you swore to uphold the First Amendment rights of every American. Not just WTF-shitbags like this professor.

Or as Voltaire is attributed by Evelyn Beatrice Hall as having said: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Period. Full stop.

Now having said that, if I had to take this a-hole's class and he FORCED me to say his stupid pledge, I'd have a real issue with that (as well as the duty to call him on his hypocritical irony).

Response by CPT Aaron Kletzing made Dec 9 at 2014 8:07 AM

CPT Aaron Kletzing — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:07:43 -0500

Disgraceful. This is like spitting on the American flag, and it makes my skin crawl to know that so many of our brothers and sisters have shed their blood for this guy.

Response by CW2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2014 11:39 AM

CW2 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:39:23 -0500

the only thing I like about the pledge of allegiance is the "under GOD", it shows reverence to the creator,and it hacks off libs. I like that instills nationalism/love of country in our youth. But it is socialist dogma other than the GOD phrase. I prefer the Patriots Pledge...
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution
for the United States of America
and to the Republics which it protects,
one federation, under God,
composed of States,
with Liberty and Justice for all.

here are some of the reasons why I support this too,
"the political ideology of the “pledge of allegiance” does not comport to the true nature and character of the constitution. The constitution of the United States is not “one nation”. It is one federation, composed of States which possess original political sovereignty and which never surrendered the vastness of their power to govern themselves according to their state constitutions."
http://polymontana.com/the-patriots-pledge/

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2014 12:51 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:51:57 -0500

The first thing I noticed was that this was really just a Fox news article about a news article written by campus reform. So we are talking about a right wing news report about a right wing article in a right wing college journal reporting on one students claim. Now I can understand why a professor of American history might think such a pledge was a useful tool to provoke discussion and debate, however I think it’s unlikely that any would require his students to say it… especially since the whole thing is intended to be sarcastic. Most Americans know and understand that our constitution was ground breaking and helped change the world. Most know how we defeated some of the greatest evils (Nazi Germany and Totalitarian Communism) the world has ever seen. However few Americans know that Hitler studied how we handled American Indians as he was preparing a final solution for European Jews. Few Americans really understand the relationship between capital and privilege in our nation. I would think that a good American Civilization class would focus on the things people didn’t know and understand.

Response by LCpl Angela P. made Dec 9 at 2014 2:22 PM

LCpl Angela P. — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 14:22:39 -0500

If these students were forced to recite it and had a strong belief against it then exiting the class or staging a slient strike against it should have or could have been done. I think this professesor has some kind of agenda and maybe is a "radical" of some sort maybe working with someone or some bad people. But all I'm saying wouldn't hurt to have "big brother" check him out! Government !

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Dec 9 at 2014 4:25 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 16:25:51 -0500

My Dad used to work at the University of Texas in Arlington, so this is first hand, not a rumor, not something a "friend of my Uncle said he knew some that saw".

First hand experience:

UTA has a high population of Arabic students. On 9/11 they were in the streets publicly celebrating when the towers fell.

Considering that UTA has a great engineering program, IMO we are educating terrorists in ways to more efficiently destroy us.

Response by LTC Paul Heinlein made Dec 9 at 2014 6:44 PM

LTC Paul Heinlein — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:44:28 -0500

I think they can say whatever they want, that is their constitutional right.

Now, that being said, if they are receiving money from the Federal Government (too include government backed loans) for their college or the college itself receives Federal Government money......Then their should be consequences!

We should not tolerate disloyalty from people that are benefiting from Tax Payer provided benefits.

Response by TSgt Tim (lj) Littlejohn made Dec 9 at 2014 6:50 PM

TSgt Tim (lj) Littlejohn — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 18:50:33 -0500

True Americans would all drop the class. Enough said!

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2014 8:29 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:29:02 -0500

This is America. He may be wrong, but again, this is America. He can say whatever he wants.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2014 9:00 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:00:59 -0500

I'd like to be in his class just to pepper him with all sorts of questions and irritate the crap out of him as much as possible.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Dec 9 at 2014 10:15 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 22:15:14 -0500

You know the old saying, opinions are like A-Holes, everybody's got one. In this case this guy IS one - a BIG one.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2014 11:17 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 23:17:19 -0500

He is safe from repercussions from the government. The 1st amendment guarantees that. However, that doesn’t mean people face no repercussions for what they say. The college should be able to fire him. If enough students and parents of students spoke out then action would be taken. In the end it’s all about money. If students walked this assclown would be fired.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Dec 10 at 2014 10:21 AM

Capt Richard I P. — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:21:09 -0500

SFC Private RallyPoint Member The free market answer is: if you don't like his educational requirements, don't take his class. And petition his supervisors to reform the curriculum to offer alternatives that are less discriminatory.

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 10:38 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:38:33 -0500

Hell - he makes some odd points in his methods, BUT if he makes people THINK about the true meaning of the pledge and the responsibilities that go with that pledge I'm all for it.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 10:56 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 10:56:00 -0500

I'm kind of thinking along similar lines of PO1 Private RallyPoint Member concerning the pledge issue. I don't believe that the students should be forced to recite his version for a grade, however. I don't think regurgitating something necessarily counts as learning.
As for the rest of it...I'm conflicted.

This appears to be an elective class, and students do forget that they are paying these professors. Most of these students are young, straight out of high school. And American public schools, thanks to the "No Child Left Behind" nonsense, has been teaching kids to take tests. Critical thinking skills are sorely lacking.
Many of them get to college and then find themselves upset when they realize that professors actually require them to use their brains for something other than memorizing facts.
I'm not sure what this guy's agenda is. Is he forcing students to "think outside the box" or is he purposely trying to push an agenda on impressionable kids? Maybe he's just an d-bag. I wouldn't mind taking his class to find out.

Response by SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 2:05 PM

SMSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:05:02 -0500

I'd say the professor is a turd! If he doesn't like what this country is founded off of then he is free to teach his garbage some where else! This is Mmmerica!!

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 2:15 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:15:55 -0500

Personally, I think he's a douche and can only make a living spilling his liberal dialog to a captive audience dependent on his grade for passing. Hopefully the students who take his class let him think he may know something, get their passing grade, all the while laugh their ass off at how utterly stupid and pathetic the jackwad is.

Response by SPC David Hannaman made Dec 10 at 2014 5:01 PM

SPC David Hannaman — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:01:35 -0500

I wish there was a way to highlight certain parts of a response... I'd like to respond line-by-line to the professor's "pledge".

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 9:45 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 21:45:19 -0500

I don't know about his "students," but I sure don't make pledges and oaths lightly.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 10:43 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:43:42 -0500

If people don't like this country then they should leave. Students should elect out of his course. I fear that a lot of kids would enjoy it though!

Response by CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 made Dec 10 at 2014 11:38 PM

CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:38:55 -0500

SSgt l OI, This shows that most people cannot the cope with responsibilities of citizenship and should be beaten to near death until they have FEAR in their minds and bodies, then they will appreciate freedom! A free ride-as in the last 60 Years does not teach appreciation

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 11 at 2014 12:47 AM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 00:47:59 -0500

I have no problem with him trying to show a negative light on our country IF it is to foster critical thinking and push students to form thier own conclusions and NOT to "re-educate" students on "the way things are."

But I find that abortion of the pledge to be completely sickening and belligerently disrespectful.

I don't know what is actually taught in his class and for what purpose but the existance of that so-called "pledge" makes it highly doubtful that anything of real substance is being taught and that's a shame.

If it's just a propaganda class where you learn nothing but the professor's view then it should be scrapped for something actually beneficial for students.

Response by CSM David Heidke made Dec 11 at 2014 1:42 PM

CSM David Heidke — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:42:18 -0500

This is not isolated.

College professors have been spouting liberal mantra for years, and if you hope to get a passing grade you better learn to parrot it back to them.

Check out a movie called "Indoctrinate U" if you want to learn more about it.

The full version is available on YouTube

Response by CPT Zachary Brooks made Dec 11 at 2014 7:19 PM

CPT Zachary Brooks — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:19:57 -0500

So if this speech is anti-American they should be perfectly ok in saying it. They should also be perfectly ok in getting their asses kicked out of a C-130 over Iraq. Right now that is about one of the most unAmerican places you can be.

Response by SPC Daniel Edwards made Dec 11 at 2014 10:08 PM

SPC Daniel Edwards — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:08:24 -0500

So this is what happens when hippies decide to get jobs and still want to "affect change in the system." I'm sorry, I thought teachers at all levels were supposed to teach facts, not spit out their dogma because I am stuck in a class that the school says I have to take. My bad, guess I was wrong.

Response by SSG Trevor S. made Dec 11 at 2014 10:24 PM

SSG Trevor S. — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 22:24:56 -0500

Free speech does not, by definition, include coerced speech. The professor is committing civil rights violations against his pupils.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 11:17 AM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 11:17:51 -0500

I'm all about Freedom of Speech, even when I disagree with someone's opinion, but this professor is going too far. He needs to be dismissed for sedition or as a subversive. A college's policy for "academic freedom" should not cover being a traitor. This is not teaching "critical thinking."

Why don't service members take full advantage of their education benefits? Because there are so many professors like this across the country that they have to worry about being singled out for their service or becoming a target in a class for some jackass like this guy.

If this school accepts any type of payment from the VA for veterans education benefits or tuition assistance for Reserves/Guardsmen, they need to FIRE this individual for cause, immediately!

Response by SGT Montana Crawford made Dec 12 at 2014 4:35 PM

SGT Montana Crawford — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:35:23 -0500

I think it's pretty factual. I'm sure GOP congress would do something about it if they weren't busy either shutting down or starting the 30th vote against the ACA.

Response by SPC Jay Wetzel made Dec 13 at 2014 3:00 PM

SPC Jay Wetzel — Sat, 13 Dec 2014 15:00:11 -0500

Obviously if the college does not fire him then they support his views, due to the fact that he was on the clock when spreading his rhetoric.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 3:31 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:31:59 -0500

http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=90284#

More on the errr. good dr

Charles Angeletti at Metropolitan State University of Denver - RateMyProfessors.com

Check out the ratings and reviews for Charles Angeletti from Metropolitan State University of Denver in Denver, CO

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 3:34 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:34:53 -0500

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tianna-dimartino/2014/12/09/professor-university-denver-rewrites-anti-american-pledge

A different but same take......

Professor at a University in Denver Rewrites Anti-American ‘Pledge of Allegiance’

The Pledge of Allegiance has been under attack by liberals in classrooms and courtroom for years. We wouldn’t want to offend anyone with the word “God” in our pledge now would we? But rather than quibble with a line here or there, a professor at the Metropolitan State University of Denver, Charles Angeletti, has rewritten the entire pledge and highlights the new “Pledge” as part of his American Civilization Class. The story appeared on “Fox...

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 3:42 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:42:29 -0500

http://video.foxnews.com/v/ [login to see] 001/professors-epic-anti-republican-rant-caught-on-video/?#sp=show-clips

More stuff

Professor's epic anti-Republican rant caught on video

Student who recorded professor weighs in

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 14 at 2014 3:46 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 03:46:28 -0500

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2013/09/msu_notes.html

And now Michigan?

Student: Michigan State professor's rant went beyond Republicans to Christians, athletes

Read the account of one student who was in the professor's class during his controversial lecture.

Response by SR Tom Lienert made Dec 14 at 2014 2:23 PM

SR Tom Lienert — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 14:23:59 -0500

I think the professor was NOT making the students pledge anything; he was pointing out that a lot of folks in this country, all the way across the political spectrum, ARE guilty of thinking that this "anti-pledge" is what being a patriot is all about. It only takes a little bit of editing to make this ant-pledge an extreme right-wing rant that's just as intolerable as this one.

He also inadvertently pointed out an appalling lack of ability to actually READ and THINK before commenting that has become pervasive throughout our society and has done more damage than any external threat could.

Response by AN David Nimrichter made Dec 14 at 2014 5:06 PM

AN David Nimrichter — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 17:06:16 -0500

Russia wouldn't even want the professor socialists. In America we have accepted the enemy within and turned them into heroes while we veterans have watched our brethren die to allow the propaganda accelerate to the point Americans have become the scared populous we are today. Thank you to our elected officials to forget who saved this country from such enemies they now love so much.

Response by PO2 Amber Smith made Dec 14 at 2014 8:51 PM

PO2 Amber Smith — Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:51:42 -0500

I think that this is very disrespectful in an American Civilization class. It gives the professor, a voice of power in said class a doorway to young impressional minds. If it was meant as a satire to start a debate or for a critical writing assignment, it would have been better off in a philosophy class.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 15 at 2014 10:46 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:46:10 -0500

Getting this troglodyte fired would play into his own beliefs. Let's not suppress his speech, or encourage others to do so. Instead, let's make his behavior as well-known as possible, and let him be judged on the merit of his beliefs.

Let's face it: This guy isn't relevant anyway. He's a professor at a university that I've never given a nanosecond of thought to prior to this discussion. It galls me that he's paid (and probably has tenure) to spew hatred, but that's always been a function of modern universities. Academics who never actually touch base with the real world that exists beyond their rhetoric teach students their beliefs, and some of those students go straight into academia to perpetuate the cycle. The problem is bigger than him, but the solution for him is to inform others of his actions and call attention to the inaccuracy of his beliefs.

You fight disinformation with information, not suppression.

His "pledge" absolutely is offensive and wrong, but rather than giving the appearance of suppressing his freedom of speech, let's expose him to the fact that freedom of speech isn't necessarily freedom from consequences.

I hope that all makes sense.

Response by SGT Charles Vernier made Dec 15 at 2014 4:14 PM

SGT Charles Vernier — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 16:14:00 -0500

Our service protects this man's right to speak his mind. Now considering that Metro State University is a state subsidized school and he's requiring students to recite his words I
Would argure that him forcing students to recite his athiest beliefs is a just as much of a violation of separation of church & state as is requiring students to recite Christian passages.

Response by CPO Tom Lantz made Dec 15 at 2014 5:53 PM

CPO Tom Lantz — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:53:30 -0500

That's the beauty of our Constitution and democracy. We who serve and have served, fight for the freedoms that this P.O.S. is taking advantage of. Because we do so we can have this forum to tell the world that he is an imbecile. If you really want to deter these types of people use the power of the pen, the press, and the right to vote against those who support his views and hired him, thereby providing him a platform from which to speak his drivel. We don't need to take military action or use force to reduce him to nothing, he already is a nothing who is too stupid to realize that what little he is,
and all he can ever hope to become is beholden to those who gave all for his freedom.

Response by PO2 Marlene Reed made Dec 15 at 2014 7:30 PM

PO2 Marlene Reed — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:30:12 -0500

I think it's treason.

Response by SN J W made Dec 15 at 2014 9:43 PM

SN J W — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 21:43:29 -0500

I went to college late, I was 24 or 25 when I started. Only had one super lib teacher, and he wasn't that bad. It was the 90's. I didn't hesitate a few times about different things, to let the instructor/profs know that I was a grown man and mommy and daddy aren't paying for this, and that they( instructor/prof) were there for me, and I was a customer. They'd listen.

That's the first thing I'd say to this guy in Denver, " I'm paying for an education, pal, and your NOT making me repeat that vile bullshit."

The one class with the super lib prof was graded entirely on research papers based on books he would assign. All very liberal books, of course, covering the basics; womens issues, minority issues, gay issues and Utopian society. I thought those were tired subjects back in the 90's! Anyhow, I would respond in my essay with the proper party line as far as what I believed the author was trying to say, and I would add an extra page or two at the end of the essay explaining why I thought the author was full of it. I got an A for the class. Don't know if I would now...? Ha!

Response by SrA Marc Haynes made Dec 15 at 2014 10:21 PM

SrA Marc Haynes — Mon, 15 Dec 2014 22:21:05 -0500

Well as a state run college that probably gets some federal funding, partly going to pay his salary, shouldn't he renounce his pay check or remain a hypocrite?

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 2:00 AM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 02:00:06 -0500

It seems that his REAL students do not think highly of him! Here are the ratings for this professor:
http://www.ratemyprofessors.com/ShowRatings.jsp?tid=90284#

Personally, I would like to see him try to teach his class to a roomful of vets. I don't think he'll make it out the door...

Charles Angeletti at Metropolitan State University of Denver - RateMyProfessors.com

Check out the ratings and reviews for Charles Angeletti from Metropolitan State University of Denver in Denver, CO

Response by PO3 Alfredo Panis made Dec 16 at 2014 10:28 AM

PO3 Alfredo Panis — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 10:28:12 -0500

My 2nd protects his 1st. Until the day a jackbooted thug kicks in his door without a warrant for his arrest and detention, and he's pulled out of his home as he protests "I'm a loyal party member!"

Response by SPC Thomas Lema made Dec 16 at 2014 3:21 PM

SPC Thomas Lema — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 15:21:22 -0500

Hell no' if they dont like it here or are anti gov then they should just plain leave this country. This country has been bought with the blood of its armed force's , These politically correct cry baby wimps have no idea what it means to be loyal to their flag , it is somthing that their mommy and daddy should of taught them, but then again maybe their parents never served and are also thank less takers and complainers

Response by PO3 Preston Fletcher made Dec 16 at 2014 5:06 PM

PO3 Preston Fletcher — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:06:31 -0500

A professor must know who Custer was!

Response by SGT Jason Anderson made Dec 16 at 2014 5:41 PM

SGT Jason Anderson — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:41:41 -0500

His personal rights are one thing. But as the professor in a course you have certain responsibilities.
I see what he is trying to get across as I read his "pledge", but a pledge is a serious thing. Pledges mean something. It is an oath of honor.

To force someone to "pledge" to anything is what I have a problem with. (Having said that, ironically I believe our kids should be saying the real pledge every morning in school...)

Response by MSgt Roger Lalik made Dec 16 at 2014 5:49 PM

MSgt Roger Lalik — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:49:47 -0500

Prof has no respect for the rights and privileges that he has. He's a fine example of those that are willing to allow you to fight to the death for his right to free speech and cut your pay and benefits while you're dying because what YOU do is not that sophisticated or academic to warrant your level of pay.

tsk tsk the country is full of these people. I won't say man because he hasn't paid for the privilege or or earned the respect to be called a man.

Put him in with 1LT L S and myself in our Old Fogies Battalion and get him rucked up for a walk. Hmmmm....

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 8:43 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 20:43:05 -0500

He is free to say what he wants and I am free to think he's a disgrace for saying it.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2014 11:36 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Dec 2014 23:36:23 -0500

This is such a pointless discussion. If you don't agree with him, don't take his class. Fox's reporting of this fringe element in an attempt to make it seem like it's the norm only serves to be inflammatory. Ironically, it probably gives him the publicity he's looking for. I swear a majority of people are so damn simple-minded sometimes.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 12:07 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:07:42 -0500

In the final analysis, this is not a Fox thing. It is an attempt to criticize America because they think it is fashionable. No country is perfect but nothing wrong with an opinion (whether one likes it or not) without making it personal. I could see the arguments for what the professor did if it was a teaching point and not pushing his own agenda.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 12:16 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:16:45 -0500

The following is by a liberal and suggesting respect and why that might be.

http://www.bu.edu/bostonia/fall13/conservative/

How a liberal learned to respect conservative thinking | Bostonia

(and accept the fact that, yes, the right is happier than the left)

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 12:23 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:23:31 -0500

And here the complaints in Colorado at the so-called 'whitewashing' of history. And I cannot see how respect is a bad thing in any case.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/340-187/26213-colorado-school-board-scraps-plan-to-teach-students-whitewashed-view-of-us-history-after-uproar

Colorado School Board Scraps Plan to Teach Students Whitewashed View of U.S. History After Uproar...

'A battle over teaching American history that stirred student protests and kindled a debate about censorship in schools reached an emotional climax on Thursday night.' Jack Healy, NYT

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 12:27 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:27:18 -0500

I put Murica because that seems a high tech way of diminishing other's beliefs. I have been called stupid and that I should not breed this evening showing me the open-minded are not as open-minded as they would like to think.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 12:35 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:35:02 -0500

I found this article by John T. Reed, a Harvard Graduate about some of the hyperbole and false constructs in debating and these truths are pretty clear and they are right. Diminishing others is not a good way to start a debate.

John T. Reed

http://www.johntreed.com/debate.html

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 12:59 AM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 00:59:13 -0500

Meh, I'm happy where I'm at. This guy can say whatever he wants, but unless he spends all his time feeding the homeless, developing a fund for women that can't afford abortions, getting people to convert to logic and reason, and writing his congressman everyday about social injustices and donating money and time to them, he's pretty much just another shit talker. But that's just my opinion

Response by SGT Forrest Perez made Dec 17 at 2014 10:05 AM

SGT Forrest Perez — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:05:45 -0500

Anti american pledge is BS let them go to school over seas,I figure your on US soil recite the US pledge liberal POS

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 1:20 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 13:20:59 -0500

I don't agree with what he says. It happens everyday. People get a position of power to preach their ideals. We have to look at the change that has been happening in our country the past 10 years. Thus no longer our grandparents post WWII country of pride and joy of the USA. This is a post Vietnam era, well not as bad but you get my jist. It goes in cycles and unfortunately some have forgot the pillars of what this country was founded. All of us. Because you don't agree is no reason to persecute the guy like some of you are. Disagree intelligently and rational. If we don't then what makes us different in our thought process then a Stalin, Hitler, Hussain, or even the now ISIS. If they don't believe what we believe then deport, ostracize, velittle, and name call. This where it all starts with thought process. Remember what those stars and stripes mean, the statue of liberty represents, and our founding fathers intent was.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 17 at 2014 3:18 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 17 Dec 2014 15:18:21 -0500

Although you have and I believe in free speech I think some teachers get carried away. Their classroom should not be their pulpit for spewing their political points of views and beliefs. How about just teach a class, deal in facts and not accusations or conjecture and let the students come up with their solutions. Don't try to force your ideas on to them. And it really doesn't matter what side of the isle you are on. Some folks can be very rude with their opinions and ideas and refuse to listen to reason or just mutual respectful disagreement. I believe many of these college kids are confused because of professors pushing their agendas on these kids.

Response by COL Ted Mc made Dec 19 at 2014 2:27 AM

COL Ted Mc — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:27:20 -0500

Please remember that the original "Pledge of Allegiance" said simply "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." and was created by a "Christian Socialist" as a marketing ploy to sell flags.

Admittedly it has become something more than that over time.

Response by CSM Frank Graham made Dec 19 at 2014 2:53 AM

CSM Frank Graham — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:53:01 -0500

Everyone has a right to freedom of speech. If that is a persons views thats ok as long as they do not carry out any violent acts against people let them have their say.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2014 2:57 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 02:57:00 -0500

I think there's a glaring difference between being intelligent and being educated. And to round out the trifecta, there's a glaring difference between having common sense, being intelligent, and being educated..

Response by LTC Martin Metz made Dec 19 at 2014 11:26 AM

LTC Martin Metz — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 11:26:00 -0500

I've seen this all before. I grew up during the tumultuous 60's and was commissioned in 74. It just looks like we are going retro right now. Do what you think is best, don't give credence to those pulling the walls down, and keep your gaze on the horizon. Eventually our ship of state rights itself. Don't despair, don't dwell.

Response by SGT Michael Glenn made Dec 21 at 2014 10:09 PM

SGT Michael Glenn — Sun, 21 Dec 2014 22:09:20 -0500

I think if they want to pledge against this country .... let them, directly after they can give up their grants and positions in ROTC and give up their hopes of joining the military to pay their way through college or finding a job in this country who has bled for them and died for them to be able to live in such a unique country, I hear Iraq is now accepting applications for camel herders, Sand is included!!!!

Response by LTC Rob Shearer made Dec 23 at 2014 8:36 PM

LTC Rob Shearer — Tue, 23 Dec 2014 20:36:21 -0500

This speech, as detestable as I find it, is what I swore to defend.

Response by PO2 Robert Lee made Dec 24 at 2014 4:32 PM

PO2 Robert Lee — Wed, 24 Dec 2014 16:32:01 -0500

I believe that every American CITIZEN has the right under the Constitution to say and think as they wish. However if you are NOT a CITIZEN then those rights should not cover you. You are a guest in our house. If you do not like what is said or thought here, then you should leave.

If you are a CITIZEN and are so Anti-American then you need to live in a foreign country and make statements about that country like that and see how well you are accepted.

In this country, freedoms are protected by the Military personnel who believe in it. If as a guest you don't feel that way, you are more then welcome to go home. Oh you came from a country who persecuted you because of your beliefs, then why did you come to this country only to persecute us because of our beliefs. Coming here LEGALLY and becoming a CITIZEN affords you the rights under the constitution to say and believe whatever you want.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 6:21 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Dec 2014 18:21:15 -0500

Is it right? NO! Do they have the right, yes, unfortunately they do. This is the difference between freedom and fascism. If we were a fascist country, any denounce mentioned would result in imprisonment....and even death. Our liberal professors are educating, provoking and influencing our young people's minds. Most professors were educated by like minded liberal professors. It is one thing to make a young mind think for themselves, but another thing to make they say the Pledge allegiance against the US...were I a bit more fascist...I'd be visiting this professor.

Response by SPC Leisel Luman made Dec 27 at 2014 4:20 AM

SPC Leisel Luman — Sat, 27 Dec 2014 04:20:11 -0500

HEL NO!!! Disgusted that I had to regurgitate the Anti-American Crap being spewed by the history teacher as a graduation requirement. I was obniously unswayed but these poor kids right out of highschool were accepting his perverted view of American History. He was abusing his position of authority to push his Anti capitalist/socialist agenda and would berate any Christian who spoke up.

Response by SSG Genaro Negrete made Dec 27 at 2014 1:50 PM

SSG Genaro Negrete — Sat, 27 Dec 2014 13:50:43 -0500

I hope this professor's class isn't a mandated prerequisite for follow on courses.

It's been my understanding that freedom of speech is for EVERYONE. You are entitled to your opinion. As am I. We are also entitled to disagree, call each other every obscenity under the sun, and debate/argue to a point just shy of physical abuse. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean I have to care about it.

That being said, I will let the hate wash over me and the things I value. My parents brought me here because they thought I would have better opportunities for success. To date, they have not been wrong.

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Dec 27 at 2014 11:14 PM

Cpl Peter Martuneac — Sat, 27 Dec 2014 23:14:21 -0500

A professor who attempts to force students to believe as he does is a colossal failure.

Response by PO3 James Conner made Dec 28 at 2014 1:02 PM

PO3 James Conner — Sun, 28 Dec 2014 13:02:32 -0500

Stand resolute in the face of adversity, recite the real pledge of allegiance and remind him that he has his opinions and we have ours. The "makes students learn" part bothers me the most. Im fine with opinions, even the insane ones as I think thats part of what makes america great, but it concerns me if he made that apart of his curriculum. I would imagine a conversation with the dean would be in order as the resulting poo storm would be katrina level.

Response by MSgt Mike Haynes made Jan 9 at 2015 9:16 AM

MSgt Mike Haynes — Fri, 09 Jan 2015 09:16:10 -0500

Lets pull his funding for his arena, send his happy ass to lets say....Somalia and lets see how much he loves his new surroundings. Then listen to his change of tune. He is damn lucky that he has not been planted yet.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 17 at 2015 3:18 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 17 Jan 2015 03:18:52 -0500

This whole topic is like spending one's entire life railing against something you do not believe in. I do not believe in BigFoot and I do not care if there were a million churches, synagogues or mosques, I will not believe it nor spend hours arguing against it.

If I do as many do here thinking that they can spark some new debate and thus end religion, well you can't.

Response by PO1 Glenn Boucher made Nov 27 at 2015 4:07 PM

PO1 Glenn Boucher — Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:07:05 -0500

I am all for being presented differing views and seeing other ways but not being forced into reciting something like this.
As a college student you should be presented different view points so that you can see how they affect things.
I really don't get this professors line of thinking though because he is saying its his way or the highway.
I mean look at America, for a young country, compared to the rest of the world we are very much open minded and progressive in our every day way of life. Yes we do make mistakes, yes we do have people who hate too much for their own reasons, yes we do have people who want everything to be perfect. We are a young nation, we have been in existence formally for just over 200 years and, in my opinion, we have come further in human relations than any other nation on the face of the planet. We still have a ways to go but we will keep pushing to make things better and we will stumble from time to time and that's why we are a great nation.