My 1SG wants to be able to edit the NCOERs I write, but he is not in my rating scheme in anyway shape or form. Is he allowed to do that?

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:12:46 -0500

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2020 5:31 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:31:54 -0500

If your 1SG is not in your official Rating Chain/Scheme, your 1SG should NOT be making any edits what so ever. They can certainly provide input to the Rater and Senior Rater.....but ultimately it is your Rater and Senior Rater (And Supplementary if one is needed) are the only ones to touch your NCOER. The 1SG should be doing UNDOCUMENTED reviews of NCOERs

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2020 5:32 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:32:49 -0500

The first sergeant often serves a. QC role with NCOERs. I recommend printing a draft and running it by the 1SG.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Jan 9 at 2020 5:39 PM

Lt Col Jim Coe — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:39:08 -0500

If the first sergeant’s intent is to help you and your direct reports, then take the help. If the commander asked the 1sgth to review the NCOERs then you’re stuck with it.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2020 5:41 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 17:41:21 -0500

Maybe you should read the reg a little more carefully. It definitely says something in there about your 1SG, SGM, or CSM should look at all NCOERS. While yes they may not be in rating chain they are looking at admin data, correct grammar and formation of bullet points, and that the NCOER follows the AR and DA PAM. SGM/CSMs also get training at the academy on what the evaluation board is looking for and how the rater and senior rater comments would look to the board as they read between the lines. Ultimately you have the final say in how you rate/senior rate, but they are making sure you word it correctly so you and your rated NCO don't sound like an idiot.

Response by CPT Larry Hudson made Jan 9 at 2020 6:01 PM

CPT Larry Hudson — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 18:01:55 -0500

I would say no, but, rank has its privilege

Response by CSM Darieus ZaGara made Jan 9 at 2020 6:28 PM

CSM Darieus ZaGara — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 18:28:16 -0500

As the 1SG it is encouraged that he review them for proper application, and mentoring. As for edits, only you and the senior rater/reviewer can make edits. Anyway, you may be misinterpreting his goals and if not you should speak with the reviewer which is likely the Commander. Thank you for your service.

Response by MAJ Javier Rivera made Jan 9 at 2020 7:17 PM

MAJ Javier Rivera — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 19:17:47 -0500

What kind of edits are you talking about? Core Rater / Senior Rater comments or grammar and other miscellaneous details? The later I would definitely encourage you to have him -or her when applicable - to do so. I had all of my company’s NCOERs to go thru him for a final QA/QC before going to the BN S1. Even if he wasn’t the reviewer!

Now, when it comes to the evaluation per se, unless part of the rating scheme, then there is an issue. He already should have a pretty good idea of it anyways.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2020 9:23 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 21:23:41 -0500

The 1SG is responsible for the accuracy and fairness of all NCOERs in the company.
As the "honest broker" for all company NCOERs, he is not in any rating scheme, he rates no one, so there is no conflict of interest.
He does not need access to edit your NCOERs, but you should make him the Enlisted Advisor Delegate for Rater and Senior Rater profiles.
This allows him to review everything you have written, and provides a comment box to the side for his comments for corrections, changes and recommendations.

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 9 at 2020 10:25 PM

MAJ Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 09 Jan 2020 22:25:16 -0500

1SG and CSM should be listed as “Senior Enlisted Advisers” in EES, this is where they should make thier recommendations. If the changes support your rating, then why not implement. If they are in contradiction to your rating, then you shouldn’t have to apply them. Who is the SR on the evaluation? I’d speak with them and have them speak with the 1SG. If he still gives push back, then I’d ask to use the open door policy with the CDR or BN CSM.

Response by 1SG Nick Baker made Jan 10 at 2020 12:37 AM

1SG Nick Baker — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 00:37:19 -0500

Since the 1SG has been promoted in the senior NCO ranks twice, I think they may have some incite to help develop soldiers for future consideration in promotion and assignments. Why would you not want that input?

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 10 at 2020 11:27 PM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 10 Jan 2020 23:27:57 -0500

Let your 1SG look at the NCOERs, it will make you better at writing them. Senior NCOs have a responsibility to mentor junior NCOs. Part of this mentoring is writing NCOERs properly. I recently sat on the MSG promotion board. I saw alot of poorly written NCOERs by both raters and senior raters. They had miss spelling, improper punctuation and many times the bullet comments didn't support the rating.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 11 at 2020 3:00 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 11 Mar 2020 03:00:30 -0400

You’re right. He can suggest or highly recommend. It happened to me and when I told my 1SG I didn’t see his name in the rating scheme he was pissed. After a meeting with the CSM and my counseling packet to back it up No Changes were made.

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made May 10 at 2020 11:24 AM

SSgt Christophe Murphy — Sun, 10 May 2020 11:24:11 -0400

You don’t want your 1st Sgt to review your evals? That sounds like a pointless confrontation. Take the constructive criticism and pick your battles. There is. I real reason not to let your leadership help out.