1SG Private RallyPoint Member 1316757 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div> 2016-02-20T08:10:02-05:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 1316757

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2016-02-20T08:10:02-05:00 2016-02-20T08:10:02-05:00 CW4 Private RallyPoint Member 1316926

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>...and a very smoky one at that. I&#39;d love to sign up, but my wife hates cigarette smoke and is allergic to it. I can tolerate it, but when given the choice between drinking at a smoking or non-smoking place, I&#39;ll pick non-smoking every time.

2016-02-20T09:59:51-05:00 2016-02-20T09:59:51-05:00 CAPT Kevin B. 1316972

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That is an indicator of what it takes to pay the bills given lack of support otherwise. VFW and AL did a pretty good job turning me off at several points in my career. I'm the three strikes and you're out type.

2016-02-20T10:25:57-05:00 2016-02-20T10:25:57-05:00 SSG Jesse Cheadle 1317060

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Go to the American Legion.

2016-02-20T11:17:27-05:00 2016-02-20T11:17:27-05:00 SP5 Private RallyPoint Member 1317508

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The American Legion Post here in Brevard, NC is trying to move itself to a more family friendly operation. Last year, over the outraged howls of those who deem it their constitutional right to smoke, the Post went non-smoking. Only the then Post Commander quit over the issue. The bar is, of course, the major source of income, but there are dances and other family events at least quarterly which are helping to generate some revenue. There is also an effort (coming at the next meeting) to see how much interest and response can be generated with members participating in the Senior Games - get away from the bar and out into the sunshine, and let the general public see the Legion as something worthwhile in !the larger community.

2016-02-20T15:38:57-05:00 2016-02-20T15:38:57-05:00 MCPO Private RallyPoint Member 1319436

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I joined - and then stopped going because all it was was a place for male vets to get away from Mama for a few hours and to get spit-faced drunk. Corporate does a good job fighting for us, so I bought a life-time membership. I've been to Posts all over the country, and they've all been the same.<br /><br />I tried the American Legion... got a membership... and it's been the same.

2016-02-21T16:26:39-05:00 2016-02-21T16:26:39-05:00 Cpl Mischa Brady 1321573

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If you join a group organization and don't volunteer or get with an actual command staff person you will think this. Yes VFW Post have bars and they use them as well as parties to pay bills and up keep. Every post has a relief fund they use to help out local vets. They also have programs for vets in school and for family members such as the patriots pen and voice of democracy programs essay contest programs for grade schoolers and high school students as well as teacher of the year EMT Fire fighter and police officer. Volunteers run these programs and help run the post. If you want change get active or stop complaining. I have been a commander for two years as well as going through regular degree program and masters program. I hear these complaints all the time and they come from people who have great ideas but don't want to work or volunteer because I am retired or whatever. Excuses you get what you put in you want change make it.

2016-02-22T14:32:32-05:00 2016-02-22T14:32:32-05:00 PO1 Matt Maness 1323168

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Could be they trying to do recruiting efforts, 2nd part is keep the non members in a safer place and 3rd is revenue for the post itself, We having to do similar. And if you get a chance check out the VFW post in Angeles City Phillipinnes, They got it going on

2016-02-23T05:39:15-05:00 2016-02-23T05:39:15-05:00 CPO Bobby Welch 1323297

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>After reading the comments below, I will say this. The CANTEEN (bar) is exactly that... a bar, no different than any other bar except the drinks are cheaper. If you want to be involved in helping veterans you are not going to do it from a barstool... go to the meetings, post, district and state level. That is where the good is done, the bar just creates revenue so we can do all the good things we are supposed to do

2016-02-23T07:32:22-05:00 2016-02-23T07:32:22-05:00 MSG Anthony Makar 1323453

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes. That is what I noticed as well not only the VFW but the American Legion as well. From what I see these organizations have lost some of their Exempt status from the past and the Taxes are driving them to the poor house. They have to be profitable so they can support the operations of the organization and community services they provide to veterans and the community. I wish that it was possible to have a 2 tier pricing system. Public pricing and member pricing, or something to that effect.

2016-02-23T08:40:41-05:00 2016-02-23T08:40:41-05:00 1SG David Spalding 1323567

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It's happening all over the place, VFWs and Legions alike. They're trying to stay in business is all. The problem, in my opinion, is across the board. Most of the VFWs and Legions look at OIF/OEF Vets as simply more $ and more members. Some are looked at as "hey, here's a new commander!" They are not keeping up with the times and are stuck in the beer drinking/pull tab/bingo circle of death. I am an American Legion member and a VFW life member and I hate what I'm seeing. I am a member at large (in MN) because I have yet to find a post that's any good. I'm 55 and I'm not into drinking myself silly in a dark post, I want to do something that matters. Many younger Vets and those not happy with the VFW/Legion status quo are joining the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA), the Combat Veterans Motorcycle Association (CVMA), Team Rubicon, and other such organizations who tailor to Vets who still want to be involved. Until the national HQ of the Legion and VFW figure that out, more and more posts will become like yours, or simply die out.

2016-02-23T09:11:20-05:00 2016-02-23T09:11:20-05:00 SPC David Buttrey 1323619

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Our local one is a bar with mostly non veteran customers.

2016-02-23T09:26:19-05:00 2016-02-23T09:26:19-05:00 MSgt Raymond Hickey 1323666

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>For all of you that don&#39;t like your VFW club and for all of you that deride the VFW, I have one thing to say to you...FIX IT...as a member or potential member, you have it in your power to make the VFW better. Sitting on your butt and complaining is not going to change anything. YOU, each individual, are the one that can change things. Whining and running down the VFW and the clubs is defeatist, something I would never acknowledge, accept or suspect from those in the Military...I am a proud member of the VFW and our local club was closed by the state Commander for some of the reasons mentioned...WE, the Members took BACK our club and I brought ACTIVE members becoming involved have turned the corner and are bringing our club back to something to be proud of!

2016-02-23T09:35:00-05:00 2016-02-23T09:35:00-05:00 1SG Robert Schuler 1323708

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I also thought the same about the American Legion I joined. So I decided to get involved. I became a board member and started to encourage other military friends to get involved. Within a few years we were able to start to make a difference. It&#39;s been over 10 years now. We have a more family oriented atmosphere but you will never be able to get rid of all the bar feel. Unfortunately that&#39;s the bill payer. But remember getting involved will help build a better experience for all. Start discussions with others about their experiences in the military and encourage change and with time hopefully it will. Good luck to you in keeping the old tradition going.

2016-02-23T09:43:31-05:00 2016-02-23T09:43:31-05:00 SGT William Hardy 1323840

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yeah and the excuse I hear is that it couldn't survive without the money the non veterans bring in.

2016-02-23T10:10:40-05:00 2016-02-23T10:10:40-05:00 MSG Bruce Bjorklund 1323852

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have been a lifetime member of both the VFW and American Legion for About 25 years now. I don't attend their meetings. Last time I did was just shortly after joining. It seems to me that both organizations spend more time and resources trying to find ways to keep their bars afloat than they do with veterans issues. I'm still trying to get the smell of cigarette smoke of of my clothing. Sorry but I think both have lost thier identity. Perhaps the next generation of veterans can fix it. Don't get me wrong. This is not a total slam Could a new national level veterans organization be formed in these days without a bar? As a last note, our Legion post finally ended up selling the bar after loosing money. Now they have more time for veterans issues.

2016-02-23T10:13:37-05:00 2016-02-23T10:13:37-05:00 MSG Bruce Bjorklund 1323853

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have been a lifetime member of both the VFW and American Legion for About 25 years now. I don&#39;t attend their meetings. Last time I did was just shortly after joining. It seems to me that both organizations spend more time and resources trying to find ways to keep their bars afloat than they do with veterans issues. I&#39;m still trying to get the smell of cigarette smoke of of my clothing. Sorry but I think both have lost thier identity. Perhaps the next generation of veterans can fix it. Don&#39;t get me wrong. This is not a total slam Could a new national level veterans organization be formed in these days without a bar? As a last note, our Legion post finally ended up selling the bar after loosing money. Now they have more time for veterans issues.

2016-02-23T10:13:48-05:00 2016-02-23T10:13:48-05:00 PV2 Kenneth Booth 1323862

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I don't even set foot into the local VFW. It's nothing but a bunch of non veteran older people and 60somthing bar flies. Nothing like it should be.

2016-02-23T10:15:17-05:00 2016-02-23T10:15:17-05:00 TSgt Derrol Turner 1323864

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>YES, YES, YES I am a Lifetime member of VFW, OEF, OIF, 5 Desert deployments and I refuse to walk into the VFW I am a "member" of because all it is is a bar. No really proud of where VFW is, most do recognize the place as a bar and nothing more! Sad days!

2016-02-23T10:16:01-05:00 2016-02-23T10:16:01-05:00 SFC Phillip Wiley 1324109

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have not had this type of issue with VFW however the local American Legion has went down this road of opening to public drunks. I have only returned maybe half a dozen times in last few years and the only changes that have occurred are for the worse. Though in its golden age and in the case of many others they can be great community building block and give veterans that place to go to talk military talk. But as in military life it comes down to leadership and if that fails ultimately it all crumbles from the weakest point. Vote at meetings, bring disappointments to attention of members and leadership, if all that still fails it is time to find another one and move on.

2016-02-23T11:18:22-05:00 2016-02-23T11:18:22-05:00 PO1 Chad Alcock 1324173

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Thankfully my local VFW Post 2468, Roseburg, OR, has made the decision not to have an open bar for many of the reasons I've seen here. But another one near here has rented there bar space to a private contractor to run.

2016-02-23T11:29:51-05:00 2016-02-23T11:29:51-05:00 CPO Joe Wilson 1324239

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>There are posts out there without a canteen. You just have to look for them. The post I am part of is the only dry post in the area. That's what brings members to our post.

2016-02-23T11:41:52-05:00 2016-02-23T11:41:52-05:00 TSgt Private RallyPoint Member 1324375

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have been a VFW member for over 10 years, but have never been affiliated with any post. The one's I have visited are a smokers and alcoholics haven. I have been asked to join this post, that post, but always get the same talk about VFW, its purpose, etc. In my personal opinion, they are very much out of touch with the younger (sub-45 yr old) people. Most posts around me average age is 50-60+. While I would like to see changes, the attitude is its been this way for years, so why change. <br /><br />Now I am a part of MAGC (military association of geocachers), since I like outdoors, its more social, its veterans, service members, and supporters, and its free. I formed our San Antonio chapter, and though small, we are about outdoors, fun, and stories.

2016-02-23T12:11:01-05:00 2016-02-23T12:11:01-05:00 CPL Brian Clouser 1324807

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My post has done the same thing. In doing so a lot of members has gone elsewhere. Its sad, rather than change their altitudes and make an effort to get young vet to join, they are willing to serve non vets that is only there for the cheap drinks.

2016-02-23T13:43:54-05:00 2016-02-23T13:43:54-05:00 SFC Ernest Thurston 1324903

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The VFW, American Legion, AMVETs all have this problem because there is not enough participation from members and not enough money coming in to pay the bills. It's the plaque of almost all fraternal organizations. Check out the Moose, Eagles Elks, Rotary etc. They all have the same problem. It's like churches that have bingo. Members can cut down on some of this by participating more and getting the organization more involved in the community and supporting vets away from the local meeting place. Another problem is that many people are recruited into the organizations and once they pay their dues and get their magazine subscription the personal contact ends. We need to recruit, maintain contact, and get people involved in the day to day operation of the place.

2016-02-23T14:05:03-05:00 2016-02-23T14:05:03-05:00 SGT Morgan J Cooley 1324934

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>This has also been the case with my local vfw, here in Weehawken NJ. Its become more of a local drug den, too. Im actually not really allowed to go there anymore. Its a long wrong destructive story that still hurts. I left my sweater and asked for it back, I was then charged with saying I went around claiming rape. I never said any of this and still have never gotten my sweater back. Most of the people that go there arent vets. I was shocked to find this out!

2016-02-23T14:11:43-05:00 2016-02-23T14:11:43-05:00 MSgt Rosemary Connolly 1325042

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The bar is basically a fund raiser and an important one. Besides, the activities in our hall bring customers and members.

2016-02-23T14:35:11-05:00 2016-02-23T14:35:11-05:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 1325097

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Recruit your friends, pay dues not much it is worth the magazine. One member=one vote TACMO. Take Charge Move 'em Out. They can't be that back. Start an Video oral history Program. Get the oldest first. Not many WWII left. You can do good, bring a JROTC program into a local school. Host the local recruiters for a meeting. Show some love Bro.!

2016-02-23T14:56:53-05:00 2016-02-23T14:56:53-05:00 LTC Martin Metz 1325108

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I can see doing an occasional pancake feed or something like that to interface with the community in a positive way and make some money for the post, but it doesn't seem right to be cottoning to non-veterans on a regular basis.

2016-02-23T15:00:07-05:00 2016-02-23T15:00:07-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 1325149

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My experience the VFW has always been that way, instead of a fraternal org it is a social club for drinking and gambling.

2016-02-23T15:13:34-05:00 2016-02-23T15:13:34-05:00 CPL Jody Freitas 1325301

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am the Quartermaster at my VFW and also in my district. I took over the position about 3 years ago now at a time when my post was probably going to lose its charter. Since then I have started to turn things around trying to recruit younger more involved membership, getting involved in the community service programs that the VFW is about. Having events for Memorial Day Veterans Day, trying to get people out there to March, and I here this same argument from some of them and it pisses me off. Unfortunately the non-vets pay our bills. I can&#39;t get a member to help me shovel a walkway in the winter let alone sell poppies or review student essays. My last CO used to have a policy you could come to him with any complaint however you had to offer one possible solution otherwise he didn&#39;t want to hear it. It is also a mantra I&#39;ve heard over and over in the civilian sector. If you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem. If young involved veterans do not get involved it will never change and it will cease to exist and when that happens who will be the watchdog lobbying congress when they are gutting your benefits? One or two motivated individuals can change a post. If you don&#39;t like the way its run get a copy of the By Laws Go to the Meetings, Post, District and State Level. If the by-laws are not being followed bring it up the chain and make it happen.

2016-02-23T15:48:54-05:00 2016-02-23T15:48:54-05:00 MSgt Robert DiFilippo 1325369

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes at times

2016-02-23T16:10:07-05:00 2016-02-23T16:10:07-05:00 SFC Jim Ruether 1325393

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That local VFW is there for veterans and to hear that some of you won&#39;t sign up and join because they are grimy or smoky and the floors are sticky is b%$#@t. These bars are clubs first, remember that friend and the buildings were paid for by veterans from several wars ahead of you who wanted their own exclusive place to have a drink, talk to others about their service to our country and go to their meetings so they could continue to give back to their communities. <br /><br />Yes a few are grimy and smoky but the vets that built them and opened them were proud of them and they shined when they first opened. The membership numbers in these clubs were busting at the seams. Now with dropping membership they are now struggling just to survive so they have to open their clubs up to the general public and the vets are trying to get the locals to come in and spend some of their money so they can keep the doors open.<br /><br /> I saw this in my own local VFW and American Legion. I couldn&#39;t belong there because I had never served overseas in a combat theatre. I have my beers there and help any way I can because I am amongst heroes when I walk into those places. <br /><br />That shriveled up old man or men at the bar could have probably given any of you a run for your money when they were in their prime. They sacrificed a portion of their lives to protect our country. Maybe some of you that bitch and whine about how dirty your local VFW or American Legion is should join, roll your damn sleeves up and clean the place so you can be proud of it like they were at one time.<br /><br /> If you don&#39;t want to do it by yourself then convince a few of your friends to join too. With a little team work you could make those clubs shine again. Oh and if you don&#39;t know it these clubs if open to the public are usually smoke free.

2016-02-23T16:14:08-05:00 2016-02-23T16:14:08-05:00 1SG Ronnie Miller 1325592

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Ours is exactly the same!

2016-02-23T17:20:26-05:00 2016-02-23T17:20:26-05:00 SGT Vince Albert Dickson 1325625

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes Sergeant! Keeping it real! I feel being a soldier our level of pride is so high that wartime veterans would rather self medicate with alcohol then to go get help from the VA! And the soldiers that are still on active duty of course we didn't want to go to the TMC to get the proper help for fear of being sidelined from deployments, so we drink and unfortunately some of us get in trouble! Would have been good leadership and a good change command we should police our troops and show them other alternatives to hold the same camaraderie without alcohol or moderate use of alcohol good question Sergeant!!

2016-02-23T17:31:34-05:00 2016-02-23T17:31:34-05:00 SPC Byron Skinner 1325675

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Spc4 Byron Skinner. Welcome to the Veterans world SFC. It was that way 50 years ago an for the 40 years these VSO's existed before my time. The VFW Post 5986 Bar I went to, underage yet after I got out sold beer for $.15 a glass and $.35 a pitcher a nickel off between 1500 and 1800 Happy Hours. Club Brands mixed drinks $.35-$.50. Cheap even 50 years ago. Few bothered with the good stuff. This is also the reason I gave up on VSO's SFC.

2016-02-23T17:48:31-05:00 2016-02-23T17:48:31-05:00 SSG Mark Franzen 1325697

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>When I first got out under QMP I WENT TO THE VFW AFTER SERVING FROM 1974-1990 AND I TOOK MY DDFORM 214 IN THEY REVIEWED AND SAID THAT I DIDN&#39;T MEET THE STANDARDS OF A VETERAN BECAUSE I HAD NO OVERSEAS DUTIES WHICH I SERVED 3 TOURS OF GERMANY WAS IN AS A POST ERA VIETNAM VET AND THEY NO WAY. I Have never been so hurt in my life and I still think that after 16 plus years in I should Be able to be retired and but know they just Don&#39;t understand what you put your life thru protecting your country.<br />SSG MARK A FRANZEN

2016-02-23T17:55:41-05:00 2016-02-23T17:55:41-05:00 SPC(P) Jay Heenan 1325732

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><br />Kind of sad, but at least the non-Veterans are helping pay the bills. Hopefully you can change it around a little and get more Veterans to join.

2016-02-23T18:04:12-05:00 2016-02-23T18:04:12-05:00 LCpl Private RallyPoint Member 1325753

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>tey couldn't afford to keep it with members only so a vote was taken to pen it for non-members. If your post has a bar, its probably thought of as the only “cash” input for the post. It’s probably supported and voted for by the Officers who just happen to be the bar’s best customers. The bar and post should be two entities but are not. They were formed many years ago when you probably had an active post. Its probably also “an institution” in your town <br />Like sp many veteran organizations, it suffers from the same problems. No Active members come to meetings. post is only interested in collecting dues, do absolutely nothing for the members or anything to attract new members except a few programs for the High School. No committees, no contests, no picnics, no awards, no softball sponsor and many wonder why the local posts are closing their doors by the hundreds every year and NEW veteran organizations are starting up. Our post does perform some military burials. It’s not the shape of the building to modernize, it’s the modernization of the mindset of the members, No new Officers and the same people keep the same positions and then eventually don’t WANT anyone to take over. They fear new members because they don’t want to give up their positions. No new blood, no new ideas. I can’t remember how many times people have asked “Have you tried this or tried that” the answer is always the same. “We tried that once and it didn’t work” <br />When you drill deeper you find out someone gave a half-ass attempt at something and quit back in 1999 so it becomes the bible and written in stone that it doesn’t work. It’s would even discourage Donald Trump from joining or trying. The definition of a fool? "One who keeps doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome."

2016-02-23T18:11:15-05:00 2016-02-23T18:11:15-05:00 SSG Mannix Brooks 1325866

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The VFW posts do not get a lot of donations to exist so this is a case of fundraising. As long as it is representing itself as a VFW doing VFW business during member functions then it is a VFW post. When the club/bar/other functions are in play its just another building and a revenue stream.

2016-02-23T18:37:21-05:00 2016-02-23T18:37:21-05:00 CW3 Davis Newman 1325945

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My VFW post 9851 in Hendersonville, TN does not have that problem. Our meetings are used to discuss ways to raise money to help Vetrans in need. We have a food pantry that we operate in conjunction with the local Vietnam Vetrans of America chapter and provide monetary support. We are also working on a plan to send a bus load of gulf war Vetrans to the Middle East Conflicts Wall Memorial in Marseilles, IL. We have a bar but, it is downstairs from our meeting room and alcohol is not permitted at meetings. It looks like your post needs a change in leadership.

2016-02-23T18:57:59-05:00 2016-02-23T18:57:59-05:00 CPT Pedro Meza 1325985

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>VFW, I have visited as a matter of survival have open their doors to family members, the issue of fraternal organization has become more of a days gone by issue, because the younger veterans are more interested places for their family. We be Old School.

2016-02-23T19:09:39-05:00 2016-02-23T19:09:39-05:00 PO1 Private RallyPoint Member 1326107

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I see this as well. However, the new leadership (which is also the primary patrons and meeting attendees) is striving to turn this around. I definitely want and push for more community involvement. I believe we will endure and demonstrate to our fellow OEF/OIF vets that we are not obsolete and disinterested in real service to our vets.

2016-02-23T19:57:14-05:00 2016-02-23T19:57:14-05:00 MSgt Jim Bain 1326157

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Moved to Florida after my retirement, walked into the local VFW at 10 o'clock in the morning to see what they had to offer.......could not believe my eye's, had to be 15+ guy's, my age and a little older, lined up at the bar. I nodded to them, did an about face, and made a quick exit, my one and last experience with the VFW!

2016-02-23T20:25:06-05:00 2016-02-23T20:25:06-05:00 Cpl Jeff Ruffing 1326177

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>First off, I don't go to a VFW. I did with my dad, but, my taste in bars are different. There is not as many VFW where I live, and a lot of my friends are not veterans.

2016-02-23T20:30:53-05:00 2016-02-23T20:30:53-05:00 SSG Mark McMurray 1326455

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I joined my post in September 2014. I became the Commander June 2015. I reminded the post members of the mission of the VFW.The purpose of the VFW. If you want changes to happen, YOU have to help make them happen. If more younger combat veterans would join, the faster positive changes will happen. If you don't want to join ,but all you want to do is complain, then SHUT UP!

2016-02-23T22:03:19-05:00 2016-02-23T22:03:19-05:00 SGM Maurice Risley 1326527

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I think what is being missed is the Canteen is one of the many ways that posts struggle to raise funds. These are the funds that are used for community contributions. Just yesterday between the Auxiliary and Post we distributed close to 2K to fund a JROTC unit to participate in a National compaction and another 1K for Post maintenance. To answer the Soldiers question, it has become very difficult to get Veterans to support the Canteen so creative means are made to keep the Canteen running. Hence keeping the Post alive. While attending post meetings pay close attention to the Quartermasters financial report and you will understand where these funds are coming from. As a Challenge, get involved and provide creative ideas to help your Post thrive. The Canteen is not just a Bar, it’s the life blood of almost every VFW Post

2016-02-23T22:32:06-05:00 2016-02-23T22:32:06-05:00 Sgt Joseph Jacobo 1326800

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>yes. and one of them is in Wilmington,ca.

2016-02-24T01:06:41-05:00 2016-02-24T01:06:41-05:00 1SG Antwan Nicholson 1326809

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I joined the VFW Post (Life Member) in my hometown, in Ohio, back in 2000. I never went again until after I retired to visit my mom. I found out real quick that they now have 'civilians' who can be sponsored by an actual member and can become a 'Guest Member' for a donation of $30 a year. They have access to the VFW and all its events throughout the year. They can't participate in meetings, voting, Color Guard, or anything else that a Veteran, who's dues are paid in full, are allowed to.<br /><br />At first thought, I was like, "WTF, over?". But within 10 minutes of being there, I realized those guest members were needed to keep the Post active. Unlike here in San Antonio, Texas, Veterans are a very small percentage of the overall adult population in NE Ohio. When I joined16 years ago, there was no need for these guest members. It was unheard of. But now, probably over two-thirds of the overall memberships at that Post are Guest Memberships. Most of the WWII veterans are now deceased. Korean War veterans numbers aren't too large either. The largest veteran memberships currently are those of the Vietnam era. Once they're gone all that'll be left is us veterans who joined after 1973 in an all volunteer force. We need them to remain active. They also spend a lot of money on raffles, toy drives, food collection for the needy, and other money making ventures that the Post sponsor...not just in the canteen drinking. <br /><br />Like I said earlier, in NE Ohio (and other states north of the Mason-Dixon Line or have military bases), I feel Guest Memberships are needed and as long as they're respectful of our military customs, courtesies, and traditions I'm proud to sponsor them at our Post.

2016-02-24T01:16:01-05:00 2016-02-24T01:16:01-05:00 CPT Edward Barr 1327715

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have yet to see a VFW which wasn't at least attached to a local hangout bar. It's unfortunate that it has to be that way, as most need the bars to provide some form of income. Let's face it, we do not provide enough physical or financial support for a VFW or American Legion to stand alone.<br />Let's also face another reality. An appreciable percentage of former Military tend to be moderate to heavy drinkers. It is still a large part of the military culture. So, many want the bar open to go drink after the meetings.....

2016-02-24T11:21:15-05:00 2016-02-24T11:21:15-05:00 Sgt Mike Clark 1327814

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The VFW, it is my understanding, can only serve Veterans of Foreign Wars. They are supposed to have verified that service in order to even let you join the organization. I am unsure what the rules are on bringing "non-vet" guest, but would guess they are most likely not allowed. Perhaps the bar area is more interested in turning a profit than following rules.

2016-02-24T11:47:23-05:00 2016-02-24T11:47:23-05:00 PV2 Glen Lewis 1328321

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>That and a bingo hall are ever mine has ever been.

2016-02-24T14:23:11-05:00 2016-02-24T14:23:11-05:00 SGT Jesse Velasquez 1328988

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>The only VFW I&#39;v ever been to, was in Colrado a springs, CO. I was there with my best friends parents, his dad was a vet. I wasn&#39;t treated any different then anyone else. All we did was drink, and sing Kereoke. I was even allowed to join, but I never did. When I&#39;m out in public these days, whether it&#39;s in Reno, NV., or here in Vegas, I treat all vets with respect, if I can see that they&#39;re vets. That&#39;s with a handshake and a thank you, didn&#39;t matter if they were VFW or regardless of branch of service. In my eyes, we&#39;re all the same! We all served with honor and we took pride in the fact that we served. No reason why any veteran should think that they&#39;re better or more privileged then anyone else.

2016-02-24T18:23:25-05:00 2016-02-24T18:23:25-05:00 SSG Jane Doe 1329510

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I like IAVA and some of the outdoor veteran fishing programs. I feel like the VFW is out of touch with younger veterans. I haven't experienced the non-veteran scenario but I do dislike the bar atmosphere.

2016-02-24T21:46:47-05:00 2016-02-24T21:46:47-05:00 CSM Charles Hayden 1329583

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2016-02-24T22:15:34-05:00 2016-02-24T22:15:34-05:00 Sgt Alan Voracek 1330565

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I belong to the American Legion and have been a member for almost 30 years. I am seeing the same trend there as well. My philosophy is if these organizations relied only on veterans they would not be able to financially survive. The days of veterans getting together to swap war stories is a thing of the past. Unfortunately this is a financial burden for the American Legion and VFW posts. Personally I am happy to see they are "thinking outside the box" and allowing non-veterans in to enjoy a drink and possibly converse with a veteran who is happy to share his or her military experience.

2016-02-25T11:14:43-05:00 2016-02-25T11:14:43-05:00 SCPO Private RallyPoint Member 1337649

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Unless accompanied by a member of that post, no one should be serving these non-members anything. Our bars are private and licensed as such. Could they be members of other posts? If not, someone best have a chat with the post commander. This could get you in hot water with the Liquor Control Board of your state.

2016-02-28T02:36:19-05:00 2016-02-28T02:36:19-05:00 SSG Ray Elliott 1387649

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Our VFW post meets in the local Legion Hall. I&#39;ve got a life membership in the VFW, but I&#39;ve stopped going to meetings. Although I&#39;m a past commander of our post (with a white hat), I found that I couldn&#39;t motivate our members to get involved or do anything. Going to meetings with no real purpose was frustrating so I just stopped attending. I&#39;m not very active in the American Legion Either although I belong to both organisations. I&#39;m not a big drinker anymore, and I just don&#39;t have the desire to go to bars. I find very little besides the bar to go to the post for. I play taps for the post a few times a year, and that&#39;s pretty much the extent of my involvement. There is a fairly large contingent of Sons of the Legion members when I do go, and I get the idea most of them belong because they want a cheap place to drink.

2016-03-18T09:20:36-04:00 2016-03-18T09:20:36-04:00 SGT James Hammons 1813201

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Don't give up, recruit younger members to make a change.

2016-08-17T11:25:39-04:00 2016-08-17T11:25:39-04:00 CPO Joe Wilson 1816745

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>If the bar is a problem, find a post nearby without a canteen. There are 4 VFW posts within 25 miles of me; 2 have canteens and 2 are dry. But if they don't have a canteen, they have some other money maker to support their programs. We have bingo. Either tolerate the bar or be ready to work bingo every week.

2016-08-18T13:30:53-04:00 2016-08-18T13:30:53-04:00 PV2 Glen Lewis 1836858

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Can't say that I have. The one here is an all but abandoned building other than the Friday night bingo events. I frankly don't know how it stays open.

2016-08-25T17:25:59-04:00 2016-08-25T17:25:59-04:00 SSG Ray Elliott 1855184

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have some of the same complaints about my local VFW and Legion posts as most of you here. The inactivity of the posts members is a big issue for me. I have a lifetime membership to the VFW, but although my only involvement with my Legion post is playing Taps a few times a year I still pay my dues every year. The main reason that I pay my dues and encourage other veterans to join, and keep their membership current is that the VFW and Legion do a good job of representing veterans causes, and lobbying for veterans. So although the clubs don&#39;t appeal to every Veteran there is a good reason to consider joining. The larger the number of voters these organizations represent the more their voices will be heard on capitol hill.

2016-09-01T14:26:52-04:00 2016-09-01T14:26:52-04:00 LCpl Private RallyPoint Member 1873838

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>What tends to happen is members get old and stop volunteering and coming to meetings and many pass away. Once they lose few key members, no one steps up. The hay day of these clubs was in 50&#39;s 60&#39;s and started to decline in the 70&#39;s. VN vets didn&#39;t join for a number of reasons. The WWII and Koren vets had a ock. They didn&#39;t want to do new things to attract them. VN vets formed their own organizations. Legion and VFW members started to die, got old and with no fresh blood to replace them started to fold. Many can&#39;t even get enough to come to meetings so the same people fill the officer positions for 10 and even 20 years. They start to feel it&#39;s &quot;their&quot; organizations and do what they want excluding anyone they feel doesn&#39;t follow their rule. They do nothing for the members except collect dues. Why come to meetings ? The ones with the bars are controlled by the people who drink there NOT the officers or they are one of the same who vote together. with only 7-8 active members who run the bar, there isn&#39;t anyone for color guard, volunteering for fundraisers, putting on special programs. I use to get the old. &quot;We tried that and it didn&#39;t work&quot; when you dig deeper you find out someone gave a half ass effort 20 years ago and it became the rule of thumb. We tried to combine the VFW, Legion and AMVETS into one building for a veteran center and the fighting between the groups, who owns what, who pays what, who is doing more, who is not doing enough, etc, etc. finally it split up and all three groups are only organizations in name with no activity. At the County level they do nothing at the department level and state level, they can&#39;t do anything because each post is a it&#39;s own corporation and entity and legally,at the state organization level, it&#39;s doesn&#39;t want to be involved in legal battles. Each post has it&#39;sown charter. I used to volunteer 20-30 hours a wek after work to cook and we&#39;d sell the food at the bar. It contributed but I did the dishes, cooked , shopped and cleaned up while the old timers drank at the bar. Finally I said screw it and walked away. Whats needed are 4-6 new members who need to get elected as officers and commit to recruiting, putting the programs in place, form a color guard for funerals and start to use the meetings and give out the 5,10 and 20 years membership awards, recognized lo=cal establishments with certificates of appreciation or merit, get discounts from local businesses for members, support a littl league softball team, pancake breakfasts, oratory contests at schools, airgun competitions, contests, start marching in parades, . Recruiting is the lifeblood of ANY organization. You have to take over the organization and get it running. The State and National HQ have manuals, brochures and other aids to help ALL FREE.. Sorry about getting on my soapbox but it&#39;s possible to resurrect a dying or do nothing post with 40-6 dedicated members.

2016-09-08T13:01:29-04:00 2016-09-08T13:01:29-04:00 SSG Edward Tilton 2430700

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>My first was when they caught my American Legion Post smuggling guns to the IRA, Another was a Vietnam Veterans Post where there didn&#39;t seem to be a single in country vet except me

2017-03-18T18:50:22-04:00 2017-03-18T18:50:22-04:00 1SG Private RallyPoint Member 3158015

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I’ve moved and found a new VFW so I’m going to check it out and see if it is better.

2017-12-09T11:34:24-05:00 2017-12-09T11:34:24-05:00 COL John McClellan 3221923

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Some Posts do allow a &quot;social membership&quot; locally, and these typically only grant privileges to the Canteen or &quot;Bar.&quot; We do this as an alternative to charging cover $s on nights where there is entertainment, plus - our status as a non-profit is predicated on &quot;membership&quot; and this is an allowable practice, generally. <br />I agree with some of the other posts on the feed though - it does NOT have to detract from the experience of being a VFW member! If anything - it should advance our mission, which is in part to educate. Anything we can do to connect our Veterans to the rest of our Community, even those who did not serve, helps to further the necessary bonds between the military and civilian in our society, and, likely helps more of our citizens understand, and support, our Veterans!

2018-01-03T10:45:33-05:00 2018-01-03T10:45:33-05:00 PO3 Damion Brown 3693609

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>It is a problem with any military based non for profit charter. There are always those that want to benefit from the work and sacrifice of others. The best thing to do is revive the mission by supporting it and doing whatever you can to encourage membership and participation.

2018-06-07T23:16:37-04:00 2018-06-07T23:16:37-04:00 SGT Ernest Valdez 3918065

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I am currently fighting against this VFW-Bar mentality at the Chloride AZ Post. Alcoholics run this and Alcoholics control everything. I have a complaint against one of the co-commanders, that District and State are trying to dismiss. It&#39;s a sad commentary that the VFW condones this for the money$$$ Veterans. . .what that?

2018-08-28T14:36:29-04:00 2018-08-28T14:36:29-04:00 MAJ Private RallyPoint Member 4420791

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You are not alone. What is worse is when one has a CDR of &quot;another&quot; military organization who runs the place as if it were his own bar. (Which he does for changes and any additions to our Canteen JUST occur w/o meetings or votes). Our &quot;Canteen&quot; or bar if you will;. is solely ran by &quot;Volunteers&quot;. Where I have a problem with this, is there is no accountability. To be closed on Monday and Tuesdays &quot;because no one wants to work them&quot; is an excuse. To have multiple people with keys to the facility is asking for disaster. To ask for Profit and Loss Statements on functions and no one can present any calls for the Leadership to be placed under a microscope and find out exactly what the hell our Budget Statement truly means and where in the hell is the money going? No Point of Sale System, prices are almost equal to the local bars, bartenders eating food and not paying for it, and volunteers drinking beverages and not paying for them, Did I mention the Cook and Dish Staff on a Friday as well as any Entertainment get paid in cash? They do. Bottom line is this, when an organization wants to solely rely on &quot;profit&quot; from a Canteen as well as rely on monies bequeathed to them, they are bound to fail. Shame considering our membership is 360+, Aux is 100+ and our Son&#39;s is 60+ but the same 5-8 people show up for meetings.

2019-03-04T20:32:37-05:00 2019-03-04T20:32:37-05:00 Theresa Brown 6319183

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, I was appalled when I first went to the VFW club where I live now. I&#39;m a life member my whole family has been in the service and where I came from you had to have a key card to get in ! you couldn&#39;t just walk in off the street but here they let everybody in!!! to me that&#39;s not right our family our beautiful veterans are the ones who went overseas and fought for us and they don&#39;t even have their own private club ! I guess I&#39;ll get used to it but I don&#39;t like it that&#39;s all I have to say right now! thank you

2020-09-17T11:51:32-04:00 2020-09-17T11:51:32-04:00 SSgt Rebecca McAlexander 6900050

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Yes, this is the truly our local VFW. My husband did his best to go in and make it a better place. He was putting in 60 to 70 hours a week. It was for about 3 months but the Good ole boy members fought it and won when election time came. It is sad that is seems to be the local bar rather than a place where Veterans can go and relax. My husband took a failing VFW from losing $6,000 a month to making $7,000 a month. That did not matter to the Good ole boys. They are now trying to make it so kids can&#39;t come in with their parents. They are going back to smoking in the Cantina. They have alienated new members that are from Afghanistan, Somalia, Iran, Iraq, Desert Storm act. During our election the District Senior Vice and Advocate General was there and did nothing regarding the name calling, accusations and general not following the Rules of Order. When the elected officers left to go have a drink in the cantina one of them said to us &quot;Get the F*** out of my club&quot;. NOTHING was said or done about this and this is a clear violation of the Bylaws of the post, District, Department and National. My son&#39;s membership was questioned by a member asking &quot;What did you do to deserve to be a member?&quot; I am also a VFW member. Seven of us went &quot;At Large&quot; after that day. Very Sad...

2021-04-13T17:38:53-04:00 2021-04-13T17:38:53-04:00 SSG Dan Hunt 7394933

<div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>You ain&#39;t shittin...It is Veterans Of Foreign , yet the Vets get treated like shit . Post 3433 Ladson SC

2021-11-28T19:53:58-05:00 2021-11-28T19:53:58-05:00 2016-02-20T08:10:02-05:00