My new unit says I don't qualify for the Overseas Service Ribbon awarded to me by my previous unit. Are they right?

2015-06-01T06:28:27-04:00

I deployed to Afghanistan in 2012 with Temporary Change of Station (TCS) orders that said my tour would be no longer than 270 days (about 9 months). My tour ended up being 8 months and 1 day, as my unit redeployed a few weeks early. The unit I deployed with awarded me the Overseas Service Ribbon (OSR) for having completed a tour. I arrived at my current unit a few months ago, and prior to my recent appearance at the promotion board, S1 reviewed my records and removed the OSR from my ERB, stating that I didn't serve overseas long enough to qualify for the OSR. My Platoon Sergeant is the one who made me aware of S1's decision to remove my OSR, and he hasn't disagreed with S1's decision or made any moves to investigate the situation, so I did the research on my own.

AR 600-8-22 says that the OSR is awarded to Soldiers who are credited with a normal overseas tour completion according to AR 614-30. AR 614-30 says that a Soldier has completed a tour if he serves to within 60 days of the prescribed tour. I was deployed to within 21 days of my prescribed tour, and my early return wasn't under my control or by my request; my whole unit redeployed a few weeks early. According to my research, I should be able to keep my OSR.

I'm going to print my TCS deployment orders and take them to S1 to show that my prescribed tour was only 9 months, but beyond that, I haven't decided what to do. Has anyone else been in this situation, or can anyone explain where I went wrong in my evaluation? What would you do in my situation?

Response by SCPO David Lockwood made Jun 1 at 2015 7:02 AM

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I would contact your previous unit and get all documentation that supports you receiving the Overseas Ribbon. Also look into the requirements for receiving the Overseas Ribbon. Good luck.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Jun 1 at 2015 7:19 AM

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It appears you do not qualify...

Q3: How long do I have to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan to be awarded the OSR?

A3: IAW AR 614-30, Soldiers who serve a minimum of 11 cumulative months (within a 24 month period) or 9 continuous months in a TCS/TDY status may receive overseas tour credit for a completed short tour.

https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2015 7:40 AM

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S1 may have removed it if you did not have the overseas tour completion credit documented (IAW AR 614-30, Table 3-2). As previously mentioned, there is a specified time requirement, if you left at 8 months then you do not meet the requirement.
There are a lot of MILPER messages out about the this ribbon. Continue to do your research.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2015 7:46 AM

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SGT Private RallyPoint Member , as SGM Matthew Quick stated, you must be deployed for 9 months in order to receive the OSR.

My last deployment to Afghanistan was also a couple of weeks short of the 9 month mark. We were not given the award for this reason.

I recommend the safer way of earning the OSR by serving a tour in Germany, Italy, Korea, etc. You can travel while doing so.

Response by CW3 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2015 7:57 AM

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your S-1 is right the minimum time for a tour to qualify for a overseas ribbon is 9 months after the 9 months is when Tha regulations come in effect, any way be glad they found the error now that you're an E-4 because if they found it in the middle of your SFC promotion board, that is ground for pass over

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2015 8:50 AM

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Without digging out all of the references I had to use - and this is somewhat convoluted - the short answer is your S-1 is correct and you should not have been credited with a short tour.
Afghanistan has a "non-standard" tour length (so does Iraq), and as such a short tour is defined as 9 months consecutively served, or 11 months non-consecutive. The latter is more for air crews, but might apply to other logistics personnel who find themselves in and out of the country.

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 1 at 2015 10:02 AM

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Like SFC Private RallyPoint Member and yourself, I was just over the 8 month mark on my deployment so I didn't get the OSR for the same reasons. I'd see if your unit found a waiver or loophole allowing you to get it, like time in Korea or Europe or something.

Response by SGT Allen D'Aoust made Jun 1 at 2015 2:07 PM

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Is it listed on your DD-214? If so your in the right, besides it is not up to your unit to determine that. They should stay in their lane and not qworry about small crap.

Response by MAJ Raúl Rovira made Jun 1 at 2015 3:32 PM

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SPC Shelby Thundercloud, I've been in a situation like yours. In fact at my last unit the HR NCO audited all of my OSRs. In my mind, he is doing his job. Honestly I'm glad he did because you never know. End result, all legit.

In your situation, it was mentioned by others that you did not meet the 9 month minimum to receive credit for the OSR. Keep in mind that you do capture you overseas service as 8 month in the oversees section of your ERB.

Response by SGT Bryon Sergent made Jun 1 at 2015 6:24 PM

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There was a change and I forget what it was. I think you have to get 9 months or longer. It was a ALRACT. either CENTCOM or Who ever has control of the area. They tried to take mine and we went round and round. The three I have are still there but wouldn't give me the last one for Afghanistan!

Response by SFC Kenneth Hunnell made Jun 1 at 2015 6:32 PM

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The Over Seas ribbon is for duty over seas. that is why you get the hash mark for service in combat zone, you don't get both.
Ex. If you were stationed at Fort Campbell and PCS' D to Germany and completed the tour, you then would receive the OSR

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Jun 1 at 2015 8:34 PM

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Wonder about that myself. My ERB reports more than I thought I was supposed to have.

Response by SSG VNicia Young made Jun 1 at 2015 9:23 PM

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I didn't receive mine until I returned home from Korea for a 1 year tour. and you only had to be there 60days to put it on there. That unit can not do anything about that

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Jun 2 at 2015 12:03 PM

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For the Moment you are SOL I'm afraid but don't give up, keep watching the awards authority/manual for your service. Awards and the Qualifications are dynamic like anything else and I've seen them change and change more than once. One of my awards was originally authorized but a subsequent OPNAV de-authorized it, It still shows on my DD-214 since it once was authorized and nothing can change that. Never Give Up Hope.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2015 1:21 PM

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As far as i know you only have to serve 30 days consecutive over seas taking part in a campaign to earn the campaign ribbon. For them to say you didnt earn it because you returned before the full length of the deployment doesnt sound right. Thats telling someone wounded in combat that is sent home early they dont deserve their service ribbon because they didnt complete their full tour. If you have the paperwork that came with your awarding of the service ribbon s 1 shouldnt be able to tell you no.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2015 1:31 PM

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From HRC website:
"Q11: It appears that in every situation, the OSR is only authorized if a Soldier is credited with completion of an overseas tour. Who determines if an overseas tour was completed and ensures the Soldier’s records is posted to reflect the completion of the tour?

A11: The custodian of a Soldier’s personnel records makes the determination, IAW the rules established in AR 614-30, and posts the completed overseas tours to the Soldier’s record (ORB/ERB)."

Operative phrase here is 'completed tour.' May be a grey area to elevate to BN or BDE HQ/G1

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2015 2:07 PM

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That is correct you need 8 months and 15 days to be awarded the overseas ribbon. I myself had 8 months and 12 days and was not awarded the overseas ribbon. They round up to 9 months if you served 8 months and 15 days

Response by SSG Thomas Brousseau made Jun 3 at 2015 2:29 PM

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As a Specialst your need to start preparing to become an NCO. As an NCO the lower enlisted will be looking at you as the "subject matter expert" on all things Army. I'll give you the same advice I always gave my Specialist. If you don't know, look it up.

Response by SGT Edwin Claudio made Jun 3 at 2015 3:11 PM

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I find this a crock of poop. You go overseas, do what you do and then they tell you you don't qualify for an award for going overseas. I have to remind myself that common sense is not a military term.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2015 4:55 PM

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An overseas service ribbon is for a 9 month tour the cutoff is 8 months 15 days they will round up. This is a sore subject for me as I had 8 months 12 days and we were sent home 2 weeks early.

Response by CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 3 at 2015 6:41 PM

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SPC Thundercloud, you have a great attitude on this and your willingness to learn is awesome. The regulation that actually covers overseas qualification is AR 614-30, table 3-2. AR 600-8-22 focuses on awards. AR 614-30 can be a bit painful to read at times so HRC has a great resource that you should add to your kit bag and that is the Awards FAQ. For your situation, question and answer #3 pertains to your situation:

Q3: How long do I have to serve in Iraq or Afghanistan to be awarded the OSR?

A3: IAW AR 614-30, Soldiers who serve a minimum of 11 cumulative months (within a 24 month period) or 9 continuous months in a TCS/TDY status may receive overseas tour credit for a completed short tour.

Just a note, for the OSR, 9 months means 8 months, 15 days at least for Afghanistan. For your kit bag, here is the link to the FAQ page for the OSR: https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR
For the complete list of Awards FAQ, use this link: https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Awards%20FAQ

A third resource is S1 Net, the official AG Branch resource for all questions and knowledge. You can find that on MilSuite.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2015 2:11 PM

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Was this your first deployment? If you had a previous tour that was 11+ months and did not have more than 2 years dwell time, then the second ribbon can be awarded even if its under the 11 months. I had a similar issue and the 2nd OSR was reinstated.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 4 at 2015 3:04 PM

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I ran into the same problem with my dd214 when I retired. I was tracking 9 OSR as per my erb. MPD was tracking 6. When I asked they told me 11 months was a complete tour even though my unit deployed and redeployed in 9 months which I figured was a completed tour. Unfortunately G1 has not set what a complete tour is for Afghanistan and Iraq so they go from the current overseas reg. so even though you may have completed your units tour it may not qualify time wise for the OSR

Response by CDR Michael Goldschmidt made Sep 7 at 2015 8:41 AM

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I haven't read the references, either, but it may be that if your tour was expeditionary, then the GWOT Expeditionary Medal is the correct award. Sometimes, it's a matter of either-or, not both. There's also the Afghanistan Service Medal.

Response by CH (MAJ) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 10 at 2015 11:52 PM

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Here is the reference from Human Resources Command. Question 3 on the site is your answer. Basically, for TCS you need to have 9 months in country. Note: 8 months and 15 days is the cutoff to count for 9 months. You missed it by 14 days. https://www.hrc.army.mil/TAGD/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Oct 7 at 2015 7:45 PM

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As I understand it, the SSDR has a 6 month reqirement, and the OSR has a 12 month requirement. Additionally the OSR is intended for when the "where you served was your primary duty station".

I would think if you had done a full 12 months, it would get you a 2nd award for the SSDR, but not the OSR, if you were on any "temporary" anything.

Response by Cpl Christopher Bishop made Mar 30 at 2016 3:20 AM

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My first thought...is under what real authority does the new unit have to question the brass from the former unit? And the WHY are they bothering with this petty issue anyway?

Response by SPC Woody Bullard made Mar 16 at 2017 12:40 PM

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Info from a analog veteran in the digital age. As we all know the overseas service ribbon was not
effective until August 1, 1981. Thousands of veterans who served honorably overseas prior to that
date are not eligible to wear the OSR on their uniforms unless they were still on active duty on the
effective date. The army service ribbon for completion of AIT has the same eligibility regulation.
I served 2 years, 5 months and 21 days in the Federal Republic of Germany during the so called
cold war with the Soviet Union during that not eligible time for the OSR and the ASR.

Response by LTC Jason Mackay made Apr 21 at 2017 1:05 PM

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See FAQ 3 at the HRC link. Short answer, 8months and one day is not long enough to qualify for the OSR, you need 9 months. The genesis of this was when the 12-18 months deployments were the norm in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A short tour in Korea required you to serve 10 months and two days to receive short tour and OSR credit.

https://www.hrc.army.mil/content/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR

HRC Homepage

Toll-Free: 1-888-ARMY-HRC (1-888-276-9472) DSN: 983-9500 askhrc.army@us.army.mil

Response by SGT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2017 1:28 PM

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They have authorization to remove that award from your records. It's not a unit awarded citation its an army awarded citation. Whoever in your unit is saying that u don't get that award is a moron. If you meet the requirements it is attached to ur dd214 upon returning state side. So tell that moron to stuff it.

Response by CW4 Scott Hyde made Apr 21 at 2017 1:41 PM

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I would think your S1 is a better place to engage this problem than RallyPoint.

Response by SGT Jeffrey Dennis made Apr 21 at 2017 1:55 PM

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Like we need another reason to despise S1. J/K

Response by PO3 John Keas made Apr 21 at 2017 2:05 PM

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I would go by the regs. If you were given the award incorrectly, then I wouldn't fight it. I was given the Kuwaiti Liberation medal without stepping foot over there...but because of the way the regulation for that particular award is written, I still qualify. I was assigned to the USS Kitty Hawk during the time the award was issued. On paper anyway. Even though I didn't check on board until January of 93.

All depends on how the regs are worded. If the regs pertaining to this award specifically states you have to be boots on the ground for a specific time and you weren't, then no, you shouldn't have it

Response by MAJ Raúl Rovira made Apr 21 at 2017 2:57 PM

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Completing an overseas tour does not automatically mean that an OSR is awarded. The table on the reg breaks down how many months a particular type of tour requires to be awarded an OSR. Most soldiers I've talked in when I am overseas are not familiar with the table.
A simple and clear explanation to the why is already on this thread by 1SG Jerry Healy.

I share with you that I was once audited for OSRs. I am ok with someone checking me, I can be wrong. In this case, I had the reg in my side and the SSG lost the beer bet:) We made it fun.

Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2017 4:47 PM

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To qualify as "9 months" it truly only has to be over 8 1/2. So 255 days or greater.

This was told to me, and supported with three different AR excerpts. I made the cut by 3 days.

It's usually not a major point of contention for a BN level S1 ERB scrub, but it really cannot be successfully challenged. Sorry for the bad news!

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 21 at 2017 11:58 PM

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Orders are orders. If you feel harm has been done to you by your current unit, I suggest that you initiate contact with the ABCMR and describe the negatives results you've experienced. CPT(P)

Response by SFC Russ Chapman made Apr 22 at 2017 2:41 AM

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It's all written in black and white read the regs on what you qualify for you might find out you don't qualify do research befor crying

Response by Sgt Joseph Baker made Apr 22 at 2017 12:18 PM

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It sounds like you did your homework on this. If the regulation says that you were properly granted the award I would give them the paperwork and request that it be restored. You might request the unit legal officer review it.

Response by COL Charles Williams made Apr 23 at 2017 2:29 AM

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What does the AR say?

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 24 at 2017 10:24 AM

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How about tell your 1SG...

Response by CPL(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jun 2 at 2017 10:15 PM

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I've been to Korea for a year, to Kosovo for 4 months and Iraq for 7 months. I have 1 OSR.

Response by Cpl Arwen Bernard made Aug 5 at 2017 4:25 PM

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If it is I'm you awards then you rate it. If push comes to shove pull up SRB and show them.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 13 at 2017 9:21 PM

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8 months and 16 days is what qualifies for the over seas ribbon.

Response by SP5 Israel Torres made Oct 14 at 2017 8:49 AM

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No they not correct they are wrong that is yoursthey can't not do that.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 14 at 2017 11:17 PM

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270 days, was that boots in country? If so Do take all this to your s1 and ask what you are missing in all this that they think you didn't deserve it. Be sure to have regs in hand along with copies of orders. Don't take anything without backup copies somewhere. Be sure the nine months, two hundred seventy days doesn't include train up time not in country. Just be courteous and explain what you have found and how you see it. Then ask them to explain their views.

Response by 1SG Robert Lee made Oct 15 at 2017 4:39 AM

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He should be allowed to keep the award

Response by PO2 Steven Keller made Oct 15 at 2017 8:11 AM

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Sounds like deserved the award! Thank you for your service

Response by CPT Jeff Robinette made Oct 15 at 2017 5:38 PM

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You need to seek redress of this personnel action.

Response by SPC Austin Clancey made Oct 15 at 2017 7:04 PM

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Is give him it

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 15 at 2017 7:49 PM

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Was the OSR rescinded, Did S1 remove it by writing a revelation order?

Response by SGT Linda Burgess made Oct 15 at 2017 8:31 PM

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The S1 sounds like someone that reads regulations with my ne eye shut. General Pagonis got rid of people like that since they were building their own little empire.

Response by SFC Lloyd Bowman made Oct 15 at 2017 9:58 PM

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Also carry the regs with you to reinforce your legal point.

Response by SSG Michael Raysses made Oct 16 at 2017 8:19 AM

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Coupla schools of thought on this one guys.... first of all.... it's a UNIT AWARD.... which means everyone in the UNIT gets awarded one.... but if you just joined the parent command who's been stationed somewhere overseas, and haven't been with them LONG ENOUGH... then yes... you don't RATE ONE.... now, if it was a PERSONAL AWARD??... AR-com, AR-achievement... then they CANT take that from you... cuz it's PERSONAL...., not everyone gets those.... I received TWO personal awards from the school command that I served and learned my MOS' Quals.... so they had the authority to award me.... and of course they always alert your "Parent" command of said awards.... so when you get back?... they go right into your service jacket!... HOOAH!...

Response by CWO2 Richard Cherry made Oct 16 at 2017 11:49 AM

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That is wrong.... I have 10 overseas deployment ribbons in my career....6 months to 9 months were my deployments. ....

Response by SSG Robert John made Oct 16 at 2017 6:16 PM

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Who cares it just a ribbon

Response by CW3 Kevin Storm made Oct 16 at 2017 6:24 PM

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Correct me if I am wrong the authority to remove and award has to be equivalent or higher to remove it. Were orders issued, if so they must be revoked. I know some of you be laughing over this, but I know in the guard they issue orders for everything under the sun.

Response by SSG Joseph Harris made Oct 16 at 2017 7:04 PM

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This has been a debate for years!

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 7:46 PM

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Don't worry, I was 7 days short for my overseas service ribbon. My unit will not award it since I was there for 8 months and 23 days

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 8:13 PM

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I thought if you did six months it’s was good.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2017 11:53 PM

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I would request to speak to your 1SG. Show him or her your TCS orders the regulation that covers the award and if that fails request to speak to your CSM. Exhaust all your options before going to IG.

Response by SSG James Wyatt made Oct 17 at 2017 9:45 AM

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All you need is 180 days some one needs to read the reg

Response by SSG Omar Dejesus made Oct 17 at 2017 10:04 AM

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First how many soldiers on the same tour lost the award the whole unit it will be hard to fight but it’s worth the fight

Response by SPC Cyndi Tamez made Oct 17 at 2017 10:28 AM

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Overseas Service Ribbon should and be allowed to be kept for all soldiers who deployed to a foreign country regardless of how long they had spent. They earned it. There are some things that I don't agree with S-1 because they seem to receive certain awards that were not earn or given to them. For example; when I was deployed in Iraq in 2009, for some odd reason S-1 was awarded the silver star and other such medals and they didn't leave the FOB or saw combat. Total disrespect to those who leave the wire on daily basis to risk life and limb.

Response by SPC Nathan Barnes made Oct 17 at 2017 11:04 AM

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actually the ribbon can be issued after 45 or 60 days of overseas duty combined, i think 45 days. i believe that is what i read in a description of the ribbon. if you were indeed issued the ribbon, then it stands, even if you go to another unit. they will have to go threw a lot of red tape to have it removed. but in my experience if you do ware it after the fact, you may have hell to pay lol. so it is up to how big of biceps muscles you want to have in the end lol.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 17 at 2017 11:47 AM

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Fight and use the regs. S1 people are bottom rung In personnel

Response by SSG John Harper made Oct 17 at 2017 12:09 PM

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You are going to have to take this issue up with HRC and the Promotion board. Because you are going to be road blocked on your end. Good luck

Response by CPL Gregory Leiker made Oct 17 at 2017 6:35 PM

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You just have to be there 60 days to get it. Its in the regs. Period, tjey can't take it away if it was awarded properly. If they try to take it.
Keep all the paper work regarding it. Tjen contact Missouri send copies and tjey get it put on you record and you go around yout unitt and they can't touch it there.

Response by CPL Michael McNabb made Oct 17 at 2017 7:41 PM

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This is why people who don’t understand what a deployment is like, shouldn’t be the ones deciding who gets an award. He has earned the right to wear that ribbon by serving overseas.

Response by SSG Neal Potter made Oct 17 at 2017 8:05 PM

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They are not correct according to regs, did you do over 6 months?

Response by LTC David Peterson made Oct 18 at 2017 7:14 AM

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I’ve been retired for six years but had my record corrected by the army board for correction of military records.

Response by SGT Kevin Harris made Oct 18 at 2017 8:23 AM

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Does either the S1 or your superior have this award? Do they have combat patches? This may just be petty shit. If it is, fighting it may cause you more grief. How important is it to you, I mean, you know what you did.

Response by SP5 Allen McNealy made Oct 18 at 2017 10:40 AM

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My opinion, only HQ DEPT OF THE ARMY in Washington can remove it. Did S 1 issue you written orders rescinding it.

Response by SGT John Wakeley made Oct 18 at 2017 2:29 PM

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If the PAC Supervisor and Battalion Adjutant fail to correct the situation which they apparently screwed in the first place your next course could be to request a Congressional Inquiry from your local congressman. Commanders absolutely hate seeing them.i don't believe that ribbon would effect your promotion packet so you shouldn't lose any points there. Good.luck, former Personnel SGT

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2017 2:45 PM

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I always thought it was 3 years overseas to earn that award.

Response by CSM Rick Compton made Oct 18 at 2017 3:51 PM

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You are entitled to the award. If your tour was cut short and it wasn’t your doing then you are entitled to that award unless it is specifically specified in the regulation. CSM Ret.

Response by CW2 Ross Ivey made Oct 18 at 2017 5:36 PM

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Challenge it without an attitude.

Response by SSgt Boyd Herrst made Oct 18 at 2017 5:50 PM

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Condolences for your loss SPC. At a base I was at, Ibwas assigned to Base Hospital but I represented them and Served on Base Honor Guard. The Base received a Presedential Citation while I was on the Honor Guard. The Hospital is
a tenant org. They said even though I represented them on the Guard and was on it when earned they said I lose it when I leave to another base because I belonged to a tenant Unit. It seamed king of foggy so I went to awards and decorations section. It turned out because I was serving on it when the base earned it I got to keep it. It was same as If I were a member of Headquarters Squadron being on The Honor Guard. There were a few more tenant orgs that had people on base
Honor Guard. Of course the section wanted to have the last word so off to JAG
They went.. I won and lost. Because I was not actually TAD to Honor Guard assigned to that office and working there living in HQ bks.. even though I served on
The Guard when the base earned it, I could not keep it.. Well, stuff happens !

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 18 at 2017 8:42 PM

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When we redeployed, we were told you had to be in country a total of 8 months and 15 days, or more. My unit came back early as well (8 months 13 days) and we weren’t awarded our overseas ribbon

Response by SPC Paul Casale made Oct 18 at 2017 8:58 PM

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Id go to s1 & see what they say when you present the evidence. I would then go to jag if you get no satisfaction from s1 or i might ask to see the co. Commander before going to jag

Response by MSgt Jeff Vaughan made Oct 18 at 2017 9:28 PM

2017-10-18T21:28:28-04:00

The cut off by DOD regulations used to be 179 days .

Response by PO3 Charles Weinacker made Oct 18 at 2017 9:41 PM

2017-10-18T21:41:53-04:00

....as. Decorated VVET Navy COMMENDATION COMBAT "V"....issued by Admiral Zumwalt....70 missions....PBR/Gunboats...had to go thru a fucin Congressman to get COMBAT ACTION RIBBON...got it 50 years later....bumpers really has head up ass!!!...nothing surprises me...unless they indict HILLARY/COMEY!!!

Response by CPT Michael Topalian made Oct 18 at 2017 9:52 PM

2017-10-18T21:52:01-04:00

I was AG. Mistakes are inadvertently made. Pursue it. You may be right.

Response by SSgt Bill Warner made Oct 18 at 2017 11:04 PM

2017-10-18T23:04:14-04:00

You should write your congressman, presenting exactly what you have stated here, for starters. Follow that up with involving your previous first shirt and CO, provided you have no bad paper.

Response by SSG Steve Olness made Oct 19 at 2017 3:05 PM

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Stick to your guns and take your paperwork to S-1! You should be able to retain your award!

Response by SSG Mike Cox made Oct 19 at 2017 3:29 PM

2017-10-19T15:29:04-04:00

SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENED TO ME!!! I WAS A FIRST TERMER VIETNAM VETERAN THAT WAS SENT TO GERMANY AFTER MY TOUR IN VIETNAM. THE ARMY CHANGED THE ACREDITED COMPLETED TOUR FOR GERMANY TO 180 DAYS . I ONLY HAD JUST OVER 7 months left, GOT OUT and 9 years LATER went back in the Army in 1980 and served three more year. TO MY SURPRISE the army came out with the OSR. It was a retro active award to anyone that served overseas other than Vietnam. YOU CAN BE AWARDED AND CREDITED IF THE REQUIREMENTS WERE MADE OF A { CREDITED COMPLETED TOUR WASMET } !!! I DID NOT VOLUNTEER TO GO TO GERMANY AFTER VIETNAM !!! I WAS JUST A FIRST TERMER AND THEY COULD NOT EXTEND ME BEYOND MY ETS DATE !! THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO SEND ME OVERSEAS AGAIN SO I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE CREDITED FOR IT !!! NO ORDERS REQUIRED !!!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2017 7:19 PM

2017-10-19T19:19:42-04:00

IG Complaint.
Your earned your Ribbon.

Response by 2LT Kirk Brown made Oct 19 at 2017 8:34 PM

2017-10-19T20:34:55-04:00

I would and you can't argue with the AR.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2017 8:50 PM

2017-10-19T20:50:33-04:00

Take the black and white to your PSG with your SQD LDR. If they are worth their weight in strips and the ink is currently up to date, your issue will be resolved eventually. God speed

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 19 at 2017 9:49 PM

2017-10-19T21:49:52-04:00

Go through your chan of command ask for a sit down with your platoon Sgt and Platoon Leader and let them take it to the S-1.

Response by SGT Jerry Nogueras made Oct 19 at 2017 10:56 PM

2017-10-19T22:56:41-04:00

one day in country and you get that awared

Response by SGT Roger Wells made Oct 19 at 2017 11:13 PM

2017-10-19T23:13:44-04:00

The S1 is correct......I served in Iraq in 2009.....8 months 14 days. No ribbon.

Response by MCPO Jr Hawk made Oct 20 at 2017 10:17 AM

2017-10-20T10:17:07-04:00

Hang in there. ...
S1 IS NOTHING MORE THAN A CLERK in this case .
I wonder how many other BROTHERS this clown has tried to screw .

Response by SSgt Miguel Tovar made Oct 20 at 2017 10:54 AM

2017-10-20T10:54:48-04:00

Fight for what you've earned!

Response by SPC Gabe Hetrick made Oct 20 at 2017 12:49 PM

2017-10-20T12:49:24-04:00

You were on a deployment! Deployment does not qualify for OSR. your campaign medal is the only thing you qualify for!

Response by LCpl James Babb made Oct 20 at 2017 2:21 PM

2017-10-20T14:21:59-04:00

Look you served and served our country well. Stateside life doesn't give two shits about it let alone understand it. Just know what you did, you do not have to prove anything to anybody. You are a hero to me and many others. Be easy worlord

Response by SGT Tom Dees made Oct 20 at 2017 2:24 PM

2017-10-20T14:24:00-04:00

GO TO THE JAG OFFICE AND INQUIRE.

Response by PO2 Richard Haste made Oct 20 at 2017 3:49 PM

2017-10-20T15:49:02-04:00

I would contact my previous unit and request clarification on my receiving it, justification etc... If it were clear that it was properly awarded I would put in a request to my chain of command that it be returned to me and the award be entered on my service jacket record

Response by PO1 Richard Palka made Oct 20 at 2017 4:47 PM

2017-10-20T16:47:40-04:00

Sorry, I was never in that position.

Response by PV2 Ricky Brown made Oct 20 at 2017 4:53 PM

2017-10-20T16:53:15-04:00

Sounds like you are definitely in the Right here hope you get this straightened out I'm sure according to the written rule that you are deserving of this Award good luck Brother

Response by LCpl Kris Peoples made Oct 20 at 2017 5:25 PM

2017-10-20T17:25:30-04:00

At 8 months and 1 day your well within 60 days of completeing the deployment of it where only to last 9 months

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2017 6:30 PM

2017-10-20T18:30:59-04:00

Yes I had a very similar situation it did not Involve, oversee service. When I left the active-duty and went to the National Guard I was awarded at two separate times The Armed Forces reserve component achievement medal. So in short I had two of them when I left my last assignment in Washington DC my unit that I was with at the time, 3-265AD (Avenger) really hated my guts to be blunt about it “and no I’m not a shithead these are just a bunch of jackasses that only go to Washington DC at worst ). At the end of the mission that we were on which was a little over a year about 379 Days they were giving out that TIS for good conduct time for their entire guard service not just that mission because, the only award that we were receiving was the Armed Forces reserve with “M” device but most of us already had it so they could not awarded again But depending on how much time in service you had you could’ve had an hourglass awarded. These dip shits are all about trying to make the racks look bigger so the justification for awarding the metals were as for time but depending on how much time and service you had you could’ve had an hourglass awarded. These dip shits were all about trying to make the racks look bigger so the justification for the awarding the metals were you get one for every four years you’re in that unit or something like that I really don’t remember I think it was 3 years actually.

The Armed Forces Reserve Component Achievement Medal is not a good conduct medal. It even says so in the name “achievement medal” for some reason at the end of the mission when they were doing end of tour awards of course the ones that I wrote we’re approved but disapproved when they seen my name on it as the person writing it and, the ones written for me did not get considered even know it was an AAM.

What ended up happening was the dickhead admin guy who had just gotten promoted to weeks prior said, “you were in the active-duty and not the National Guard in the two metals that you have are going to be taken away you are now going to be getting awarded your first one in what ended up happening was the dickhead admin guy who had just gotten promoted to weeks prior said, “you were in the active duty and not the National Guard, the two metals that you have are going to be taken away you are now going to be getting awarded your first one”. It’s funny how that worked out isn’t it? I got my first one in 2007 from a reserve unit that I supported while on active duty and I got my second one in 2008 when I left active duty and join the guard. This was 2013 so after this horrible mission which pushed me will be on my breaking point And caused me to quit going on special missions anymore because, I did my job The right way and expected people of higher rank to act inherit to that rank they hated me for it and tried to take everything away that they could. But, long story short when I got to Demob I didn’t get anything but I did keep my two original metals because I was right in the end. So my advice to you is you know you’re right you have orders for them do not let some S1 know it all who really doesn’t take away what is coming to you. After that mission I was an OC/T and now I am in AIT instructor And I seen plenty of soldiers go overseas for less than a year right about the same time that you have and get overseas service metals because, you completed your tour as you were ordered if for any reason you were thrown off of that tour or we and I seen plenty of soldiers go overseas for less than a year right about the same time that you have and get overseas service metals because, you completed your tour as you were ordered if for any reason you were thrown off of that tour or were evacuated well short of what was indicated on your orders then maybe you would not be eligible. But you did what was on your orders you were awarded the medal and you have what is written in the regulations to back you up so I would fight this tooth and nail

Response by Sgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2017 6:52 PM

2017-10-20T18:52:47-04:00

Happens al the time. Almost got the Korea ribbon but they shipped us back at 29 days. Gtfoh

Response by PO3 Jj Dell made Oct 20 at 2017 7:22 PM

2017-10-20T19:22:08-04:00

While I was in the Navy I changed duty stations and transferred to a new ship that was on deployment. I completed more then half the deployment and received a South West Asia medal. Guess it's different for the Army. Might want to check with personnel/admin.

Response by SSG Steven Faulkner made Oct 20 at 2017 9:52 PM

2017-10-20T21:52:22-04:00

that is total bullshit normally to earn that award which was awarded in the late 1970 after Vietnam you had to serve 90 days if your unit came back early so much nicer for you

Response by SSG Steven Faulkner made Oct 20 at 2017 9:57 PM

2017-10-20T21:57:04-04:00

I think this is one of the main reasons I retired from the military in 1990, was because of petty bullshit like this, if a man serves his country and current regs says he can wear a ribbon what gives anyone the right to tell him has to take it off is the army going that broke they cant afford a .50 ribbon.

Response by SFC Richard Riggs made Oct 20 at 2017 9:59 PM

2017-10-20T21:59:54-04:00

I would print off the TCS and a copy if the AR....1st stop after that would be to your 1SG....if all else fails....contact the IG......good luck

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 20 at 2017 11:57 PM

2017-10-20T23:57:12-04:00

Why the picture of SSG Lovett?

Response by SGT Richard Maxwell made Oct 21 at 2017 2:30 AM

2017-10-21T02:30:12-04:00

Call your congressman

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2017 4:21 AM

2017-10-21T04:21:06-04:00

I have learned that the military has their minimum times of deployment. And if your short even one day from the minimum then you don't get you pin.
I think cause your unit all came back that sucks that you lose, but that's the military for you.

Response by SPC Robert Ryan made Oct 21 at 2017 6:36 AM

2017-10-21T06:36:49-04:00

Sometimes, you need to serve at least one year overseas in order to qualify. I'm not sure how your situation would be helped with this information. Have you tried contacting your platoon sergeant or platoon leader and asking them if there was a problem with the length of the deployment and see what they can come up with. Maybe there's a stipulation in the regulation that allowed them to award the ribbon. I know that when I was in the army, Hawaii was considered an overseas deployment. I spent 27 months stationed at Schoffield Bks. I was part of the 45th support group. My mos was 84B, I spent a lot of time pulling paperwork for article 15 proceedings. I did a lot of grip and grins for award ceremonies and change of command ceremonies. I received my overseas ribbon. Sorry I couldn't help out, but check with your old unit see what they say. Maybe the jag office could give you some guidance. Good luck with it.I hope it gets resolved in your favor.

Response by PO2 Robert Guthrie made Oct 21 at 2017 6:48 AM

2017-10-21T06:48:35-04:00

You should be awarded.

Response by MSgt Ian Schairer made Oct 21 at 2017 8:39 AM

2017-10-21T08:39:54-04:00

It used to be 179 day limit but I know it's different for each service.

Response by CSM Paul Bianco made Oct 21 at 2017 10:32 AM

2017-10-21T10:32:35-04:00

Keep fighting it...you are correct unless the regulation has changed.

Response by SSG John Bartlett made Oct 21 at 2017 10:54 AM

2017-10-21T10:54:46-04:00

Fight it!

Response by SPC Bill Jarrett made Oct 21 at 2017 11:00 AM

2017-10-21T11:00:10-04:00

I think you should be able to keep it.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2017 11:46 AM

2017-10-21T11:46:28-04:00

I went through the same shit. I won.

Response by PFC James Clark made Oct 21 at 2017 3:16 PM

2017-10-21T15:16:24-04:00

You still served overseas,should matter,my opinion

Response by SGT Francis Parrett made Oct 21 at 2017 4:05 PM

2017-10-21T16:05:24-04:00

Air Force did only four months a completed a tour.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2017 4:22 PM

2017-10-21T16:22:36-04:00

Point being he didn't see combat for more than six months and it is my understanding that's six months is all you need to get your OSB

Response by SGT Stephen Jory made Oct 21 at 2017 4:28 PM

2017-10-21T16:28:50-04:00

Agree but its deserved. But sadly pick your battles wisely. You will win in long run but you could be looked down upon for bitching about a ribbon when you will get another one eventually. I like having something i deserve but i can tell you i didnt do it for awards thats why never to much cared about half my ribbions and medals not on my uniform. I know i accomplished them thats all that matters and my cib speaks for itself dispite the stuff thats missing.

Response by CN Derek Jeffords made Oct 21 at 2017 5:33 PM

2017-10-21T17:33:28-04:00

So i guess his 8 months didn't count for anything wow

Response by SSgt Eric Brown made Oct 21 at 2017 5:56 PM

2017-10-21T17:56:41-04:00

I did an appeal to amend my DD214 and it was fixed by a panel of colonels in D.C. If your unit is full of assholes, you may have to correct it after you get out. Save your orders or any record/dates that prove you were in a location at a covered time. You will need to submit copies with a DD FORM 149 to

ARMY REVIEW BOARDS AGENCY
251 18TH ST SOUTH, SUITE 385
ARLINGTON, VA 22202-3531

There are different addresses at the bottom of the DD FORM 149 for different branches. Good luck.

Response by PO2 Gene Malson made Oct 21 at 2017 6:12 PM

2017-10-21T18:12:38-04:00

If weare it

Response by SGT Tim Eller made Oct 21 at 2017 6:56 PM

2017-10-21T18:56:19-04:00

Did you recieve orders for the award when it was awarded? If so should be no question , use your chain of command and you evidence and fight for you award you earned it and you need that to be on your dd214 . Good luck soldier

Response by TSgt James Griffin made Oct 21 at 2017 7:06 PM

2017-10-21T19:06:03-04:00

You earned it F them, that's what happened to me had OSR short, extended 3 years & they tried to do that with OSR long too.

Response by GySgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2017 7:11 PM

2017-10-21T19:11:55-04:00

Get over it

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 21 at 2017 7:16 PM

2017-10-21T19:16:28-04:00

Ya you arent the only one.. My unit got back from iraq early and would give anyone in our company the OSR because it was shy of 9 months.. But on the other hand i was stationed in Korea for a year and our brigade shut down and was giving the OSR to guys who had only been there a few months.

Response by SSG Zipp Hanna made Oct 21 at 2017 8:45 PM

2017-10-21T20:45:54-04:00

Go to the IG you'll have it back

Response by SSgt Daniel Blair made Oct 21 at 2017 8:50 PM

2017-10-21T20:50:04-04:00

Go for it!

Response by 1LT Wayne Casto made Oct 21 at 2017 10:12 PM

2017-10-21T22:12:37-04:00

Yes, any award given due to a transfer either temporary or short term permanent is quailified tonreceive any unit awards give for service. Contact your VFW Post Service Officer for help.

Response by CPO Cheryl Oldendick McDaniel made Oct 21 at 2017 11:57 PM

2017-10-21T23:57:32-04:00

To me, anyone serving even one month in that place deserves a ribbon. You were there and that’s all that matters... but, I don’t make the rules, and I’m retired Navy...
Thank you for serving!

Response by Sgt Earl Mccurry made Oct 22 at 2017 10:15 AM

2017-10-22T10:15:09-04:00

You definatly rate the Overseas Service Ribbon.

Response by LTC Robert Reed made Oct 22 at 2017 4:17 PM

2017-10-22T16:17:44-04:00

This issue must have affected others in your previous unit. I would recommend contacting the S1/leadership from your previous unit to see if this was an issue others have addressed or resolved.

Response by PO2 Truman Reid made Oct 22 at 2017 6:39 PM

2017-10-22T18:39:08-04:00

In my opinion, if you were deployed there then you deserve the ribbon. That only makes sense. If your deployment was for 12 months but you had been wounded after only being there a month, you still get the medal and recognition.

Response by SSG Thomas Reidenbach made Oct 22 at 2017 6:39 PM

2017-10-22T18:39:12-04:00

I was active duty in Germany for a year and a half back in 1978-1979 before the OSR even came about. Unfortunately they didn't make it retroactive. I then did just over 8 months in Iraq in 2009 with the PAARNG and fell just shy of the required days. To me it is what it is. My shadow box is just fine with my 10 Federal Medals, 3 National Guard Medals, 17 total ribbons, 1 Meritorious Unit Citation Ribbon, 1 PA Governor's Citation Ribbon, a CAB and numerous other qualification badges.

Response by MSG Ben Hellard made Oct 22 at 2017 7:31 PM

2017-10-22T19:31:06-04:00

Response by 1SG Eddie Acosta made Oct 22 at 2017 7:36 PM

2017-10-22T19:36:08-04:00

I got to Korea in November 1990 and was pulled for desert storm in February 1991 instilled receive credit for my overseas ribbon

Response by SPC Dillon McPherson made Oct 22 at 2017 8:10 PM

2017-10-22T20:10:53-04:00

My personal opinion is that most of us at one point or another probably deserved a ribbon or medal that we didn't get. In the grand scheme. There isn't a single medal or ribbon on my uniform that defines me, or validates my service. Personally, I could see from your platoon/company leadership's point of view that the more you push the issue, the more you just come off as a ribbon chaser. I'm not accusing you of being that. All I'm saying is, I think it's more important that your command views you as a valued member of the team, than a thorn in the side creating more administrative troubles added to their already ridiculous list of BS to take care of.

Response by SPC Jerry Turner made Oct 22 at 2017 8:21 PM

2017-10-22T20:21:00-04:00

You deserve to keep it

Response by CAPT Steve Brockett made Oct 22 at 2017 8:23 PM

2017-10-22T20:23:55-04:00

I was not Army but 30 yeats in the Navy taught me to understand promotion boards and meeting regulations. Your S1 isn't out to get you, s/he is making sure your service record is accurate. If you have the paperwork to show that uou deserve the ribbon then show them. Paperwork runs the service. Always keep immaculate records. Always!

Response by LCpl Quinn Lorenz made Oct 22 at 2017 8:39 PM

2017-10-22T20:39:25-04:00

The kind of chicken shit is why you should get out.
And why I'll never recommend joining again, to any young person.
This limited mentality isn't healthy...

Response by William Mcgarry made Oct 22 at 2017 8:54 PM

2017-10-22T20:54:53-04:00

You served overseas and deserve your ribbon

Response by PO1 Jerome Graham made Oct 22 at 2017 9:00 PM

2017-10-22T21:00:44-04:00

That is a deployment ribbon unless things have changed since I retired in 1993 All ribbons from previous commands are still valid

Response by PO3 Steve Caldwell made Oct 22 at 2017 9:11 PM

2017-10-22T21:11:17-04:00

I would get a military lawyer and fight it thru the chain of command, Never give up whats yours! Someone screwed up and its wrong soilder! Fight on! USN VN.ERA DV.

Response by SGT Robert Davis made Oct 22 at 2017 9:25 PM

2017-10-22T21:25:19-04:00

No they are not, sounds like petty jealousy from someone who did not deploy

Response by SGT Anison Collins made Oct 22 at 2017 9:50 PM

2017-10-22T21:50:03-04:00

You earned it and no one has the right to take it

Response by SFC Danial Meehan made Oct 22 at 2017 10:20 PM

2017-10-22T22:20:16-04:00

Cite the facts, reference the ARs and take it to S1.

Response by Sgt Michael Gillard made Oct 23 at 2017 12:06 AM

2017-10-23T00:06:38-04:00

You deserve to have the award

Response by SFC Eric Hedberg made Oct 23 at 2017 12:37 AM

2017-10-23T00:37:53-04:00

I understand that you are concerned but it don't matter why you didn't complete the minimum time fault or not you shouldn't have received the award. No fault of ykurs but of the previous units S-1

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 23 at 2017 1:18 AM

2017-10-23T01:18:40-04:00

Have to be overseas for at least 9 months without a break

Response by SSG B George Hammond made Oct 23 at 2017 7:22 AM

2017-10-23T07:22:16-04:00

It sounds to me like you should stop by JAG on your way to S-1, but, other than that if you can show the S-1 that the regulation is clear, they should have to follow it. Go to JAG first, they are the experts in Military Law.

Response by TSgt Michael Francis made Oct 23 at 2017 10:17 AM

2017-10-23T10:17:52-04:00

Once pinned, nothing should change unless initially falsified

Response by SGT Fredrick Wagner made Oct 23 at 2017 11:17 AM

2017-10-23T11:17:02-04:00

Yes you do. Anyone what spend time overseas should be awarded

Response by MSgt Raymond Appenzeller made Oct 23 at 2017 3:16 PM

2017-10-23T15:16:34-04:00

I believe you are right to be awarded.

Response by SPC David Gonzales made Oct 23 at 2017 3:44 PM

2017-10-23T15:44:34-04:00

Notify the Commander in Chief. And as for time served, I understand some generals will visit a few hours (or days) in a war (area) just to receive that campaign ribbon.

Response by Scott Dalhart made Oct 23 at 2017 5:08 PM

2017-10-23T17:08:43-04:00

I personally did 2 year in the European theatre, I believe this man deserves his ribbon...

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Oct 23 at 2017 5:16 PM

2017-10-23T17:16:05-04:00

MEANWHILE as I check and review Officer Record Briefs for PME and upcoming promotion boards, I have a plethora of Warrant Officers who should have been awarded the OSR concurrently with their tour award and NATO medal who do not have it and S1's arguing the opposite. Under the criteria and regulations I summarized that you did not qualify as presented in your question. In section one of the ERB/ORB/SRB, when it is longer than 9 months, it's easy to assess, however when it says 8 months, then it comes down to days as others have eluded to. Just like Overseas Service Bars (combat stripes) do not make the board members do to much work. The KISS principle has worked for many years and splitting hairs for things like this just takes to much brain energy, time for more coffee!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2017 12:01 AM

2017-10-24T00:01:17-04:00

Check for MILPO messages that can pertain to OSR and exception to policy on wearing it and what is the most resent outcome of overseas tours that underline the 12 month tours shorten to 9 months!

Response by A1C Robert Hayden made Oct 24 at 2017 5:30 AM

2017-10-24T05:30:05-04:00

You certainly have a beef. Now, how do you rectify the situation without burning bridges that you need in your command chain.

Response by PO2 James Cozart made Oct 24 at 2017 10:06 AM

2017-10-24T10:06:54-04:00

I would ask my immediate officer to help me present these findings to his supervisor. You are going to have to convience your chain of command to ever get this corrected.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 24 at 2017 11:14 AM

2017-10-24T11:14:48-04:00

At one time a over see your was 36 months.

Response by Sgt Leland Parker made Oct 24 at 2017 12:07 PM

2017-10-24T12:07:53-04:00

He is deserving

Response by Sgt Eubaldo Lovato made Oct 24 at 2017 3:30 PM

2017-10-24T15:30:12-04:00

I have one question... this post says two years ago. What happened? Did you get your award back

Response by Cpl Jacob Enos made Oct 24 at 2017 7:13 PM

2017-10-24T19:13:12-04:00

The way I see it the time you are over in a combat zone shouldn’t matter, what does is that you went there and saw the same shit we all do so yeah they should give it back

Response by Cpl Jacob Enos made Oct 24 at 2017 7:20 PM

2017-10-24T19:20:30-04:00

I got mine from a 6m deployment to Iraq, so it might depend on branch regs

Response by SGT Michael Yaple made Oct 24 at 2017 11:36 PM

2017-10-24T23:36:48-04:00

Do that count if you Deployed for operation desert shield /storm? I got a 6 month combat hash mark but they never talked about OSR? I BEEN OUT FOR A LONG BUT CAN ONE SEE ABOUT GETTING IT NOW?

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 25 at 2017 4:02 AM

2017-10-25T04:02:25-04:00

I cannot believe how many blatantly wrong answers have been given. Look at table 3-2 in the regulation, it lists off all ways to qualify for the award. The 9 month requirement is only ONE way to earn it out of many. If you are credited for a "completed overseas tour" you have earned that ribbon. To see if you are credited with a completed tour loog at the box that pertains to your deployment near the top left of your ERB. Does not matter if it was 6 month or 7, or 13. Only if you are credited with a complete tour. Stand y our ground and take the reg with you. It doesn't matter what S1's opinion is...they don't supersede regs.

Response by SPC Deanne Baker made Oct 25 at 2017 11:01 AM

2017-10-25T11:01:46-04:00

If you were overseas and in a combat zone and were awarded a medal for it your new company shouldn't be able to take it away...you earned it!

Response by CPO Jim Glenn made Oct 25 at 2017 11:43 AM

2017-10-25T11:43:12-04:00

Make sure you have all required info when you go to S1. You have all ducks in a row you will be vindicated. Be sure you resurch everything even talk with someone from legal.

Response by CMDCM Michael Weyrauch made Oct 25 at 2017 1:06 PM

2017-10-25T13:06:00-04:00

It must be an Army rule!

Response by CPL Michael Crabtree made Oct 25 at 2017 1:49 PM

2017-10-25T13:49:12-04:00

I was awarded mine when my dd214 was done lol.

Response by PV2 David Habjan made Oct 25 at 2017 6:40 PM

2017-10-25T18:40:27-04:00

You deserve it

Response by LTC Joseph George made Oct 25 at 2017 7:51 PM

2017-10-25T19:51:23-04:00

Soldiers must be credited with a normal overseas tour completion in accordance with AR 614–30. Servicemembers who have overseas service with another branch of the U.S. Armed Forces must be credited with a normal overseas tour completion by that Service to qualify for award of the Army OSR. See AR 614-30 Overseas Service.

Response by SGT Jim McIlroy made Oct 25 at 2017 7:54 PM

2017-10-25T19:54:27-04:00

If S1 doesn’t correct the problem, then I would go see a JAG officer and get a legal opinion.

Response by SPC Larry Wayne made Oct 25 at 2017 8:31 PM

2017-10-25T20:31:26-04:00

Fuck am wear it you earned it bug dog

Response by MAJ Jason Meyers made Oct 25 at 2017 11:16 PM

2017-10-25T23:16:55-04:00

S1 showing their ignorance, again!

Response by MAJ Scott Walton made Oct 25 at 2017 11:55 PM

2017-10-25T23:55:07-04:00

You have all the regulatory backing to state a strong case for reinstatement of your OSR. Take copies of your deployment orders and the pertinent regulatory guidelines to your S1 to plead your case for reinstatement. They may not realize the length of deployment you were on and are assuming your tour of duty was cut short. But based on the regulations you stated you actually completed a full deployment. Since the unit was redeployed that should count as a complete tour of duty. Also you were only 20 days short of the original planed tour length. You need to fight for every award you can get into your records because points are hard to come by these days. As a former platoon leader and commander I think you’ve made a strong presentation, and if I were the S1 of your battalion I would reinstate the award based on the information you’ve presented.

Response by SPC Victor Garcia made Oct 26 at 2017 1:56 AM

2017-10-26T01:56:09-04:00

When you cross over back to the civilian world you find out your military awards aren't worth a lick of spit... So I wouldn't even fret over it... Just concentrate on getting your DD214 and chucking the dueces

Response by PO1 Jim Rees made Oct 26 at 2017 2:23 AM

2017-10-26T02:23:43-04:00

Fight for it. Sounds like some Obama crap if you ask me.

Response by CPL Kevin Cowger made Oct 26 at 2017 7:39 AM

2017-10-26T07:39:07-04:00

It could be a test of your character, take a copy of the AR and your TCS, show the S1 that by regulations you earned it and you deserve to keep it. I hear a lot of this is going on in various units. I read an article where the officers were making combat vets remove their combat unit patch, because it wasn't fair to the soldiers who didn't have one? You earned it Stand Your Ground!

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 26 at 2017 10:14 AM

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Depends on why you came back. If you served what your unit said and you came back advon or torch yes you completed your tour of duty. If you came home early because of personal issues than you didn't complete the tour.

Response by SSG Norbert Johnson made Oct 26 at 2017 10:57 AM

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Respectfully Specialist: I served in Berlin from 84-87 in IRR status, served on AD the minimum time to qualify (30 consecutive days), and was even received orders for deployment during the Libya crisis before returning stateside. According to my PMO I met the eligibility but "because I was IRR" and not IMA, I was only authorized the Overseas Training Ribbon. I understand your plight and I suggest you appeal the decision by including the regulation specific to the eligibility criteria. In my case it was a judgement call based on the difference between Individual Ready Reserve and Individual Mobilization Augmentee. The IMA is essentially "Attached" to the AD Unit whereas the IRR is not. The KEY TERM is "Attached" in my case. If you feel slighted and your initial decision to remove is upheld, you can request a records review after you are discharged, for service awards and decorations (Medals). see DD FM 149 Have all your evidence included, including the Regulations cited.

Response by Cpl David Gould made Oct 26 at 2017 3:08 PM

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I think that he should be able to keep it.He didn't asked to be deployed early.

Response by MSG Dave Rossman made Oct 26 at 2017 4:43 PM

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Roger that!

Response by SFC William Farrell made Oct 26 at 2017 9:52 PM

2017-10-26T21:52:40-04:00

Just came across this post SGT Private RallyPoint Member Hope you are well.

Response by Tracy Booth made Oct 26 at 2017 10:29 PM

2017-10-26T22:29:37-04:00

This gentleman has SERVED his COUNTRY w/HONOR he has no control on his orders other than obey them which he has done HE EARNED THIS LET HIM KEEP IT TY FOR YOUR SERVICE SIR FROM BOTTOM OF MY HEART

Response by PO3 John Wagner made Oct 28 at 2017 6:27 AM

2017-10-28T06:27:20-04:00

Sounds like your new unit doesn't have enough to do.
Give em a thousand yard stare and they'll be apologizing the next day like the bunch of pantywaists that they are.

Response by MAJ Karen Wall made Oct 28 at 2017 12:02 PM

2017-10-28T12:02:46-04:00

Oh, that is too bad. It would have been nice for you to be able to wear that ribbon for your time there. Well, to me personally, you have that ribbon in your heart!

Response by SCPO Eric Reiter made Oct 28 at 2017 4:25 PM

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I know in the navy when we go on deployment we get our sea service ribbon after 90 days, even though our deployments are usually 6-9 months, usually 9 for me, and desert storm was 11 months but I only got one award

Response by PV2 Louis LaCivita made Oct 28 at 2017 5:43 PM

2017-10-28T17:43:02-04:00

I think that your outfit is just being chickenshit about the whole thing.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2017 6:41 PM

2017-10-28T18:41:55-04:00

No that's wronged you r a need it you where it,

Response by SPC Michael Moore made Oct 28 at 2017 8:40 PM

2017-10-28T20:40:47-04:00

Keep up the fight. We as veterans are constantly loosing things that we earned due to politicians or oversight committees deeming it was unnecessary or to save the taxpayers money

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 28 at 2017 9:23 PM

2017-10-28T21:23:35-04:00

Fagotry, but it sounds like it is technically correct.

Response by LTC Dane Snowden made Oct 28 at 2017 10:31 PM

2017-10-28T22:31:29-04:00

I would bring this reg to my platoon sergeant making him aware of what you’re going to do. He probably won’t take care of it. You may want to inform your platoon leader

Response by SSG David Wheeler made Oct 29 at 2017 12:04 AM

2017-10-29T00:04:21-04:00

Take your deployment orders to s-1 and see if they will do anything.

Response by SSG Dave Oates made Oct 29 at 2017 8:46 AM

2017-10-29T08:46:58-04:00

I would print the Reg and highlight the applicable section and bring that to the attention of your coc( team leader, squad leader, and PSG). Then take it to your S1 along with a copy.of your deployment, redeployment, and OSR orders amd a previous copy of your ERB showing the award before they removed it. You may also need a 4187 or some other statement from your company that backs up what you found and requests the OSR be put back onto your ERB just incase BN S1 decides to be difficult about it.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2017 9:39 AM

2017-10-29T09:39:36-04:00

I don’t know Army Regs- but I believe you have both the Over Seas Deployment ribbon and something equivalent to the Sea Service Deployment- correct? OSR is for a non-combat related PCS tour over seas. SSDR is for combat related deployments. Having been to Afghan, you would rate the latter.

Response by SFC Jeff Jordan made Oct 29 at 2017 12:16 PM

2017-10-29T12:16:10-04:00

I thought deployments overseas didn’t count. I served in Germany and had to do my full three years there befor I was awarded the overseas ribbon... same with Alaska when I was stationed there...

Response by PO2 Paul VanMeter made Oct 29 at 2017 12:28 PM

2017-10-29T12:28:38-04:00

According to what the orders say you are eligible for campaign ribbon. I would not give in.

Response by SSgt Rick Wiggins made Oct 29 at 2017 1:55 PM

2017-10-29T13:55:00-04:00

If your Platoon Sergeant isn’t willing to help then request to speak with the next higher not sure what the Army calls it but we hav. Company Gunnery Sergeant or even take it to your First Sergeant.

Response by SSG Eric Mawabi made Oct 29 at 2017 2:16 PM

2017-10-29T14:16:12-04:00

So,
He draws Hazzardous duty pay, standard duty deployment attire, other deployment entitlements plus medical enforcements(shots, etc). He deploys with his unit whom is authorized and recognized for such deployment, then that unit should be the one to retract his awards and recognition not the gaining unit!!!

Response by COL Stephen Bernstein made Oct 29 at 2017 5:48 PM

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S1 is probably correct. Don’t be mad about it. Walk the dog and get the final determination IN WRITING and move forward. Hold your head high.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2017 5:49 PM

2017-10-29T17:49:04-04:00

Let it be. Its just an OSR. There will be plenty of oportunity to recieve awards. Do your job, be the best damn person at that job and the awards will come. Besides, if you are doing this for awards, you are in the wrong field. We dont do this for awards, we do this for our brothers and sisters, and our country. If you want awards go coach a little league team. I hear everyone gets a trophy.

V/R,
FCC (SW) Bruce Maples
Chief Petty Officer USN

Response by Amn Tom Whitcomb made Oct 29 at 2017 6:13 PM

2017-10-29T18:13:22-04:00

You earned it by being there, what is the reason for denial if it was awarded it should be honored. POLITICS!

Response by SGT Jd Santiago made Oct 29 at 2017 6:33 PM

2017-10-29T18:33:32-04:00

Www.hrc.army.mil/content/Overseas%20Service%20Ribbon%20OSR

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Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 29 at 2017 9:53 PM

2017-10-29T21:53:55-04:00

I deployed in '14 for 5m 3w and a couple of days. So I know I don't get a sleeve stripe (hella bent about that, our leadership tried extending our deployment, didn't work) and I'm not sure if we got a OSR. I don't look at my ERB in detail, or my iPerms. News to me if we did get a OSR. By the time I deployed, they were handing out ribbons, medals and everything else like consolation prizes. "Hooray, we all got one." It kind of takes away from their meaning. Anyway, yeah if it says you don't get it in the AR, the DAPAM or other, then it is what it is.

Response by SGT Barry Saunders made Oct 30 at 2017 2:41 AM

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I was stationed overseas in Germany for thirty one months on the Eastern boarder and never received any such award. But that was from 1968-1970. Don’t know if that was even a ribbon back in those days. Sgt. B. Saunders, Fulda Kazern, Fulda Germany.

Response by CPL Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2017 7:07 AM

2017-10-30T07:07:12-04:00

If the rules say you deserve it then you deserve it plan and simple.

Response by SSG James Behnke made Oct 30 at 2017 7:18 AM

2017-10-30T07:18:56-04:00

Your S1 was 100% wrong for removing the award. You served the entire tour with your unit, therefore considered a "normal" tour, and it was long enough to be considered an "overseas tour".

This should be an easy fix. Show the reg to the S1 Actual (not some Private snuffy or buck Sergeant) and if they still resist, IG.

Response by PO1 Robert Karp made Oct 30 at 2017 10:50 AM

2017-10-30T10:50:22-04:00

Don't sweat it. If it was worth points towards advancement like a Good Conduct or Achievement then it would matter. Otherwise the Overseas Service Ribbon is just a gedunk ribbon. I know it's disappointing to removes pretties off your chest but it's not worth heartacking over.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2017 10:51 AM

2017-10-30T10:51:36-04:00

They are wrong , if its on your dd214 then you're good to go.

Response by SPC Timothy Alliman made Oct 30 at 2017 2:39 PM

2017-10-30T14:39:11-04:00

This is the first time I have ever heard of a unit taking away a ribbon that has been awarded! I do not think its right and as you stated AR 600-8-22 lists the rules and your tour fall within the regulations. I think this is very bad judgement by S1.

Response by Sgt Larry Dodd made Oct 30 at 2017 4:25 PM

2017-10-30T16:25:26-04:00

I would definitely let the S 1 know, show him the orders and then see if he complies. If not then request mast or whatever they call it in the Army.

Response by TSgt Kenneth Riley made Oct 30 at 2017 6:31 PM

2017-10-30T18:31:07-04:00

Once you are awarded the ribbon they cannot take it away without proof you did not serve your tour of 21 days in theater of operation they are trying to pull a fast one on you and I would take it to the IG

Response by Lenora Schwede made Oct 30 at 2017 8:26 PM

2017-10-30T20:26:15-04:00

I just don’t get anyone putting their country a bothers be for them selfs and their familes would not be able to get this award. What get my hairs up. Is cillivians do not understand military life. This award is also part of promotions. Not to say what our warriors go thew when deployed. I also am ofended about how our warriors get low pay and how thigs are being taken away from them.
I have my loved on deployed. I am an Air Force Brat. Please help this warrior get what he has earned. I love our troops HOOHA

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2017 8:41 PM

2017-10-30T20:41:36-04:00

Same thing happened to me... I gave up fighting but when I went to the 1SG board 15 years after my deployment, a CSM said you have an "M" device with with no OSR, you didn't get selected because you didn't actually verify your ERB you just checked the block. So now I'm at the battle again.

Response by SGT Andres Leal made Oct 30 at 2017 9:05 PM

2017-10-30T21:05:29-04:00

I was in infantry in nam and you only have to be in combat for more then 60days to get your cib and it's bigger then over seas ribbon so go for it do more research you will get to keep it it was awarded no the first place

Response by Tony Beasley made Oct 30 at 2017 10:58 PM

2017-10-30T22:58:53-04:00

You have clearly served and within the allotted time frame, and you have earned the award. I would ask for the reason why they are taking it away from you, and ask them to put it in writing on the applicable form; I would then take that form with the guidelines for receiving the award up the chain of command, until I either got the award or a damn good reason as to why I receive it, only to have it taken away.
Now, this is just me, but I would record audio and video of the meeting with everyone that I had to go to. You can buy a pen at Geek.com that writes and it has a audio and video recording capabilities in it and no one can tell; I have several and I record basically everything and no one ever knows it. Also, it cost less than $10.00.
Good luck! Thank You for your service to a grateful American citizen! God bless you and no matter what, you know that you earned that award and more! I salute you and appreciate your honorable sacrifices for our nation and our freedoms, God bless you!

Response by SSgt William Barnett made Oct 30 at 2017 11:06 PM

2017-10-30T23:06:52-04:00

Never heard of such a thing, but if you have the appropriate Regs concerning your deployment, it sounds to me if the S-1 has a serious bug up his backside for you. You may end up having to go up the chain of command to get this corrected.

Response by PFC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 30 at 2017 11:23 PM

2017-10-30T23:23:24-04:00

O would take all the right paper work with that reg and request it be put back on, or I'll be going to IG.

Response by PO1 Daniel Wilkins made Oct 31 at 2017 7:14 AM

2017-10-31T07:14:38-04:00

I do not know how the Army awards ribbons or medals. As a retired Navy person I know the Navy’s system. When an award is given it is the members( unless it was fraduantly obtained).

Response by PO2 Jack Taggert made Oct 31 at 2017 7:33 AM

2017-10-31T07:33:13-04:00

Contact your Congressional Representative’s office and explain the situation to them.

Response by SGT Steven Bates made Oct 31 at 2017 8:03 AM

2017-10-31T08:03:23-04:00

You earned it and deserved it . Sounds like jealously to me.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2017 12:05 PM

2017-10-31T12:05:59-04:00

The same thing happened to me. I was deployed for 9 months but came home with the unit after 7, so no award. You still got your Afghanistan medal, that pretty much says it all.

Response by PO3 Dick Amell made Oct 31 at 2017 1:43 PM

2017-10-31T13:43:12-04:00

So if you had been wounded or killed while in Afghanistan you really weren't there according to the convoluted Army logic so maybe you wouldn't be dead after all!

Response by SSG William Spencer made Oct 31 at 2017 2:14 PM

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Make a appt with your Brigade PSNCO with copy of orders and AR600-8-22 to update your service records. Sure he can submit correct paperwork.

Response by SSG James Eckman made Oct 31 at 2017 2:28 PM

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You are caught in a technicality you didn’t serve 90 days which is a prerequisite for the OSR. The other unit you were deployed with were they active-duty or reserves? Because the reserves have a different entitlement whereas if they are deployed overseas and their deployment is over no matter how many days it was they can receive the OSR

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 31 at 2017 5:08 PM

2017-10-31T17:08:09-04:00

That is total bullshit!

Response by SP5 Dennis Dorsey made Oct 31 at 2017 5:43 PM

2017-10-31T17:43:35-04:00

I have been out of the service since 1968 so I have a dumb question. When was the service ribbon first started? I was in Germany from 1965 to 1967, then V.N. 1967 to 1968 and never heard of this service ribbon.
On another question, I have most of the eye candy awarded listed on my DD-214, but have found out there were other ribbons awarded for 1967 through 1968 after I discharged. They were not approved until 1969. Anybody know how to confirm those awards as my grandkids want to make a shadow box.

Response by CPL Rossi Vince made Oct 31 at 2017 6:05 PM

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Response by CPL Terry Fisher-Foley made Oct 31 at 2017 6:13 PM

2017-10-31T18:13:13-04:00

Take all your information to Inspector General & JAG you earned that and fight your S1, don't let them things you earned those are points needed for the board.

Response by MSgt Bill Karmik made Oct 31 at 2017 7:56 PM

2017-10-31T19:56:24-04:00

Show the powers that be the regulation and demand they re-authorize your award.

Response by Theodore Rue made Oct 31 at 2017 8:20 PM

2017-10-31T20:20:36-04:00

He should keep it

Response by MSgt John Dixon made Oct 31 at 2017 9:06 PM

2017-10-31T21:06:18-04:00

Keep challenging right up the chain of command

Response by SFC Ron Pack made Oct 31 at 2017 10:16 PM

2017-10-31T22:16:03-04:00

If you take this up with the S-1 and don't get any satisfaction then take it to the IG. Without looking over your shoulder and back checking you sounds like you did the research. Sometimes S-1 thinks they know more than they do and have to be reminded. Noisy wheel gets the grease.

Response by Capt John Dominicis made Oct 31 at 2017 10:48 PM

2017-10-31T22:48:13-04:00

I was deployed to Afghanistan for 179, repatriated after 92 on a medical, no award, but credit for the tour. Your award is based on completion of the deployment, UP TO 179 days.

Response by PO3 Aaron McClain made Nov 1 at 2017 5:02 AM

2017-11-01T05:02:04-04:00

WOW, never heard any nonsense like that before. As a 9 year Honorably Discharged Veteran its my opinion they have no right to take it away from you with one exception (Dishonorable Discharge)in which case you loose everything.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 1 at 2017 6:22 AM

2017-11-01T06:22:58-04:00

Its not even an award, it's a ribbon. Who cares.

Response by SP5 Christopher's Frames made Nov 1 at 2017 9:10 AM

2017-11-01T09:10:44-04:00

Take it to s1, they should not have removed it based on what your saying. DA n your branch normally award the overseas ribbon,
( at least until 1995 not a unit )
I received my 1st overseas ribbon at Fort Bliss after completing a 2 year tour in Germany
(1980 - 1982) same upon leaving in 1989 from Germany

Response by Cpl Kenneth Osborn made Nov 1 at 2017 9:38 AM

2017-11-01T09:38:09-04:00

You have the right to wear the Osr.

Response by 1stSgt Eugene Caporale made Nov 1 at 2017 10:18 AM

2017-11-01T10:18:15-04:00

This doesn’t sound logical. You were deployed there, did your job and above all survived. You’re platoon sgt sounds like he or she is not willing to put the effort in on your behalf. Has your sgt been deployed to experience what you did? As a senior 1st Sgt I do not agree with their decision !

Response by SPC Jeff Curren made Nov 1 at 2017 10:31 AM

2017-11-01T10:31:15-04:00

Any ribbon that goes on dd214 stays and you can display

Response by SFC Mark Biggs made Nov 1 at 2017 10:52 AM

2017-11-01T10:52:15-04:00

Stick to your guns. You are right. Wear the award. When you ETS or retire, make sure it is listed on your DD214.

Go to your Division G1 and discuss this with the Sergeant Major there.

Response by CW3 Daniel Burke made Nov 1 at 2017 11:00 AM

2017-11-01T11:00:57-04:00

I agree with CSM Compton.

Response by SSG Matthew Koehler made Nov 1 at 2017 12:33 PM

2017-11-01T12:33:10-04:00

I would strip S1 of any MSM's or ARCOM's...

Response by Sgt William Osborne made Nov 1 at 2017 12:56 PM

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Contact your congressman and give him or her the same evidence and appeal to their decision

Response by CPL G.L. Ritenburgh made Nov 1 at 2017 2:07 PM

2017-11-01T14:07:09-04:00

Personally I wouldn't worry about it. If it doesn't put any more money in your pocket or if it does not help to give you rank quicker, just place it in file 13(trashcan) and get on with life.

Response by SPC Forrest Ogg made Nov 1 at 2017 11:01 PM

2017-11-01T23:01:23-04:00

Follow the proper procedure through proper chain of command . Stand fast you did your time and deserve that OSR .....

Response by A1C Mark Credell made Nov 2 at 2017 3:35 AM

2017-11-02T03:35:21-04:00

Amazing how y'all are treated overseas and how completely different when y'all return anymore. The public may not of liked us,but we were treated the same in or out of country

Response by PO1 Larry McIntyre made Nov 2 at 2017 5:39 AM

2017-11-02T05:39:51-04:00

I can't go into detail, but I was involved in operations on my submarine that a surface ship would have gotten a Presidential Unit Citation for, but we got nothing, because we never went there and didn't do what we did.

Response by LTC Lee Ellis made Nov 2 at 2017 9:55 AM

2017-11-02T09:55:30-04:00

Personnel officer may take an appeal.

Response by LCpl Sean Walsh made Nov 2 at 2017 1:39 PM

2017-11-02T13:39:47-04:00

Shouldn’t be taken away

Response by MSG Don H. made Nov 2 at 2017 2:17 PM

2017-11-02T14:17:39-04:00

probably done by some POG that didn't deploy and is jealous. If you have orders for the award, I would demand to see the order revoking the award, then run both orders through your NCO support chain. It would be kind of weird to see a person with combat patch and no overseas ribbon.

Response by SFC Gerry-Geral Ortiz made Nov 2 at 2017 2:45 PM

2017-11-02T14:45:21-04:00

As a serve I volunteer for a tour to Iraq I'm 2006 to 2007. I was recommended for a Bronze Star but never received it. I tried all way possible to find out the whereabouts with no avail. I was also awarded the CAB and my reserve command was able to award it. At least I have the CAB.

Response by PO2 Shane Freund made Nov 2 at 2017 5:14 PM

2017-11-02T17:14:56-04:00

I don't know if you qualify or not by the book but they gave it to you. They fucked up not you and you busted your ass you deserve the medal. Fuck the regs. It's about what's fair and right.

Response by CPO Michael Patterson made Nov 2 at 2017 5:49 PM

2017-11-02T17:49:19-04:00

It’s rear echelon bullshit. You completed your deployment. You earned the ribbon.

Response by SPC David Racine made Nov 2 at 2017 7:27 PM

2017-11-02T19:27:09-04:00

I have my overseas ribbon for 9 months also your unit is fucking trash take it up higher they are doing you wrong

Response by SrA Jack Love made Nov 2 at 2017 10:47 PM

2017-11-02T22:47:38-04:00

He absolutely deserves to keep it! And thank you all who serve or served the greatest nation on earth!

Response by SPC Dwight Clark made Nov 3 at 2017 7:16 AM

2017-11-03T07:16:11-04:00

Fuck them you earned it, fight for it!!!!

Response by SPC Matthew Thompson made Nov 3 at 2017 8:07 AM

2017-11-03T08:07:15-04:00

Show them the regs, tell them they are wrong. If in doubt, go to the platoon sgt and tell him you want to talk to First sgt and CO about it. If they dont stand behind you, before leaving the office, request to address the issue with SGTMAJ and Batt CO.....MAKE SURE YOU'RE RIGHT.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 3 at 2017 8:47 PM

2017-11-03T20:47:32-04:00

Sounds to me like you already know your answer. I bet someone above that dumbass will put it back on your ERB . Pisses me of you platoon Sgt. Kept his head up his ass for this one. Id go above to the next rung with your squad leader on that one.

Response by Tammy Rosa made Nov 3 at 2017 9:12 PM

2017-11-03T21:12:03-04:00

What gives him the right to take anything away from you? If you stepped one foot over there you deserve it!

Response by SGT Christopher Anders made Nov 3 at 2017 10:04 PM

2017-11-03T22:04:25-04:00

Thought you got it after 6 months but I m old and retired and it may have changed.

Response by LT Michael Hutson made Nov 3 at 2017 10:47 PM

2017-11-03T22:47:44-04:00

Be respectful, and clearly state your case! I think they are wrong but I’m not in your chain of command!

Response by Mike Levesque made Nov 4 at 2017 12:13 AM

2017-11-04T00:13:52-04:00

Why give it then take it back? Makes no sense to mr

Response by SGT Mark Saint Cyr made Nov 4 at 2017 1:17 AM

2017-11-04T01:17:52-04:00

Considering how easy they give out awards for almost nothing these days, I find myself amazed at the incompetence of the admins at your current unit. My last unit assignment was unit clerk and I used to review personnel records regularly there and the unit prior where I had an additional duty as Retention NCO. From my experience, you seem to be correct. Take your orders, plus the amended orders, showing your time shortened, and then photocopy an excerpt from the regulation, and bring them all to your S1. If he still balks at allowing you to keep your ribbon, tell him you feel compelled to register an I.G. complaint, then follow through on the complaint to the I.G.. Sometimes you have to play hardball with well meaning, but inexperienced Leaders to get them to see reason.

Be aware though, my experience comes from years ago, and the army loves to change things. Be very sure of yourself before making an I.G. complaint. Also, have the S1 explain fully WHY you don't qualify, not just a blanket you don't, and not tell you why.

Response by Sgt Brian Morgan made Nov 4 at 2017 6:54 AM

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I was deployed on a WESTPAC IN 83 for 6 months a received an overseas ribbon. If I'm not mistaken you qualify for that, plus any were you in a combat zone. You might have a beef about that. request mass or what is the equivalent to that in the Army. If you have to go all the way up to the base General it might be worth it.
By the way, Thank You for your service and sacrifice soldier.
Posted by Sgt. Morgan USMC Always and for Ever. Oorah,,,.

Response by SGT Bob Wolfenkoehler made Nov 4 at 2017 7:44 PM

2017-11-04T19:44:45-04:00

You earned so you should be able to keep it.

Response by PVT Bruce Bourget Sr. made Nov 4 at 2017 9:36 PM

2017-11-04T21:36:08-04:00

YOU EARNED THE REWARD, THEY GAVE IT TO YOU, IT IS YOURS TO KEEP, THAT IS A BUNCH OF BULL CRAP, TO TAKE SOMETHING AWAY FROM YOU, UNLESS THERE IS SOMETHING REALLY BAD YOU DID, I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE STORY, BUT IF YOU EARNED IT, IT SHOULD BE YOURS TO KEEP.

Response by Patricia Graves made Nov 4 at 2017 11:43 PM

2017-11-04T23:43:47-04:00

Since you earned it, no one should be able to take it away.

Response by PV2 Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 5 at 2017 12:16 AM

2017-11-05T00:16:58-04:00

I'd suggest requesting for an overseas tour on your AKO. If that ribbon means anything to you, you'll earn it the legal way.

Response by PO3 Gus Figeac made Nov 5 at 2017 2:38 AM

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You and everyone who has set foot over there deserves the recognition. However, are you aware that service members were not awarded the National Defense medal if they enlisted between the end of Vietnam and the start of the Gulf War? Yeah, I served from 1977-1989 and do not have the right to wear/display it; y’all aboutca kick in the teeth.

Response by SP5 Douglas Porterfield made Nov 5 at 2017 9:03 AM

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I believe you are right.

Response by SGT Fred Bugg made Nov 5 at 2017 11:06 AM

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Go to JAG

Response by SSG Guy Gould made Nov 5 at 2017 5:41 PM

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Overseas Service Ribbon is for established duty assignments, Korea, Italy, Germany, Alaska and Hawaii.

Response by SGT Barry Price made Nov 5 at 2017 10:47 PM

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Regardless of the regs, this is a crock. I've got one of my overseas ribbons strictly from being stationed at Fort Wainwright, AK.

Response by SPC Brian White made Nov 6 at 2017 1:21 AM

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You deserve them

Response by SSgt Daniel d'Errico made Nov 6 at 2017 2:52 AM

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Your S1 must be either jealous or a complete ass. Your former unit awarded you that OSR for your tour in Afghanistan. He's trying to make sure you don't get A. Promoted and B. Recognition for your time served in combat. Fight it all the way.

Response by SN John Stiles made Nov 6 at 2017 4:09 AM

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You qualify, an no technicality can go back in time and remove what you already received! Get a lawyer!

Response by SGT Gary Mapstone made Nov 6 at 2017 9:48 AM

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Take it to jag , so they can pull the unit orders to prove the dates of deployment

Response by CWO2 Richard Rose made Nov 6 at 2017 2:04 PM

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Admiral Boorda was probably the most beloved Chief of Naval Operations to have held that position. He was truly, "The Sailor's Sailor." His medal with the "V" for Combat was awarded to him by Admiral Zumwalt when Admiral Zumwart was in command of Naval Forces Vietnam. When asked, Admiral Zumwalt stated that Admiral Boorda was entitled to the award and device. I met Admiral Boorda a number of times and he was sincere in his policies of taking care of the enlisted sailor. He was famous for making spot awards, promotions and transfers. He noticed that Army and Air Force personnel were being awarded Achievement and Commendations in huge numbers in comparison to the Navy & Marine Corps. So, he told commanders to give more personal awards. I'm not so sure I agree with giving out medals freely, but things have changed tremendously since I retired.

Response by CW4 Ken Higginbotham made Nov 6 at 2017 7:23 PM

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I'm not positive but was told that if another ribbon is issued for an overseas tour, i.e. Afghanistan campaign ribbon, you aren't going to be issued on OUR. That was issued for such assignments as Germany, or Italy, etc. Please check the AR again.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 7 at 2017 4:03 AM

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Your S1 doesn't have the authority to rescind the award regardless if it was issued in error or not. I've retired (former theater level S1 NCOIC) and don't have the reg in front of me but I experienced a similar situation. Do a little research into who can approve and rescind an award (award authority) and submit a JAG inquiry (its different than a JAG complaint).

Response by PO1 Charles Harpole made Nov 7 at 2017 12:36 PM

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You're doing it the correct way. Have all the regs printed and placed in order of presidence. Request a meeting with your local JAG first though and see what the next step is.

Response by SPC Daniel Rankin made Nov 7 at 2017 7:50 PM

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I do not know about now, but when I was in, if you are in a combat zone and you are overseas, a tour of six months or more is all it takes to get your overseas stripe.

Response by TSgt Kirk Phillips made Nov 8 at 2017 1:23 AM

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You just need to take your orders from deployment to enlistment office and have them reimput the r's into system and it will reflect that you were awarded the ribbon. Always keep copies of all your orders .goog luck

Response by SPC Carmen Gasbarro made Nov 8 at 2017 1:51 AM

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I'm not an expert as I worked in the S-2 Security and Intelligence section of my Combat Engineer unit. We did work closely with S-1 and I do still keep in touch with a buddy from that section that I could ask. Not sure if he would still remember the regs since it has been quite some time ago. However, in my logical opinion, you definitely have a valid case and the proper reg to back up your argument. I would suggest first presenting the reg to S-1 and see if they agree with you. If they don't I would then contact a JAG officer to represent you and explain your case and present the reg to him or her. My guess is that you should win your case with the valid regulation as evident proof. Good luck! Thanks for your service my friend!

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 14 at 2017 4:19 PM

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NG or AD. NG and Reserves have a different award.
And you can contact HRC and talk to a personnel manager in your branch. They can be very helpful.

Response by SPC Jared Bever made Nov 14 at 2017 6:12 PM

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Talk to the CSM use the open door policy bring copies of the regulation and ask politely if there is a way to keep your award with out creating an offense.

Response by SPC Chelsea Fernandez made Nov 20 at 2017 8:42 PM

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I thought as long as you were on order for it you should be fine. People tend to make up their own rules in the army

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2017 8:50 AM

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I'm certain during my time in the service, and it's reflected in my awards of the OSR, that you did not receive an OSR for any tour for which you received another service award. For example, I did not receive an OSR for DESERT SHIELD/DESERT STORM because I received the Southwest Asia Service Medal. Because you can't receive two service awards for the same service, I wasn't allowed to add another number to my OSR.

I took a quick glance through the Military Awards regulation, but didn't see anything except a short comment under the SWASM award, but I'm sure it's covered in the regulation somewhere.

Hope this is helpful.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 24 at 2017 3:58 PM

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In a similar vein, but not exact. I was MMRB'd in Oct 93. When I OP'd Ft Ord(yeah it was still a place then, almost) I was given 2 photocopies of an ARCOM certificate, that was def me being awarded. Can I or can't I?

Response by SGT Aaron Adams made Jan 7 at 2018 4:33 PM

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If it's on your ERB, then you should be able to wear it

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 11 at 2018 7:40 PM

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You qualify for the OSR if that one day was in the 9th month of your deployment. One day = One month. For example, if you deployed 3 March and redeployed 1 November (one day in November is one month), then you qualify for the OSR.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2018 2:39 AM

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Do you have any orders or anything sayin you were deployed during that time if so show it your Plt SGT and s1 that proves you qualify for the overseas ribbon

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 12 at 2018 2:40 AM

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Should get ACM ribbon and overseas ribbion dor deployment

Response by SFC (CA) Roland Dell made Jan 12 at 2018 8:15 AM

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I think that is referred to as a class two metal or award... in which case they can't touch that. But we all know a lot of commands just do as they wish. :)

Response by SFC Freddie Porter made Jan 12 at 2018 10:32 PM

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Ask to see the BN CSM before you do anything go through your PLT SGT and 1SGT. Bring them the relavent documents. The CSM represents you to the BN CDR who does not want a legitimate IG complaint. Tell people, respectfully that you would like to use your NCO chain of command o help with this problem. Make your case but do it following customs and courtesies. You may be pleasantly surprised by engaging with them. They have the S-1s bosses ear.

Response by Sgt Jon Mcvay made Jan 13 at 2018 6:36 AM

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