Posted on Feb 28, 2018
My unit is stunting my career progression. How do I get around this?
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So August of '17 I got my promotable status, a little bit after hitting my 2 year mark. I've been making cut off with 520 points for the last 8 months. However the unit has been refusing to push me through to BLC. At first the reason was because we were nearing a rotation in europe, then when arriving in europe they said my position on the OML was moved. I kept bugging them and it turns out that really they just didn't have my information updated properly, that I was eligible to go to BLC. So now I am on top of the Brigades OML, and as we near the end of the rotation they are refusing to send me to BLC because I can't miss training/field exercises. So I'm currently "scheduled" to go this upcoming August, a year after being eligible for making my sergeant.
Is there anything I can do to get around this catastrophe and expedite my career? Can they deny me from BLC just so I can go to the field?
Is there anything I can do to get around this catastrophe and expedite my career? Can they deny me from BLC just so I can go to the field?
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Fuck it. I'll be the bad guy.
Not everyone is destined to be an NCO at the minimum specific time frames. TIG & TIS are general guidelines. If this is the case, then your CoC should have counseled you. I've seen this before and the NCO's just don't know how to tell someone that they just aren't ready yet.
Not everyone is destined to be an NCO at the minimum specific time frames. TIG & TIS are general guidelines. If this is the case, then your CoC should have counseled you. I've seen this before and the NCO's just don't know how to tell someone that they just aren't ready yet.
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MSG Colby,
I think of all employers around the world the army is recognized for its ability to build and mold leaders, that is not unique to retirees but to everyone who reaches some level of leadership. This the one organization that it shouldn't matter if you put your two weeks in or not, because if you're working your hardest your getting something back.
That said I agree with you that a self entitled deserving attitude should and will get that response, however my entitlement simply comes from my number on the brigade OML (#1) and is being denied for fields problems.
I think of all employers around the world the army is recognized for its ability to build and mold leaders, that is not unique to retirees but to everyone who reaches some level of leadership. This the one organization that it shouldn't matter if you put your two weeks in or not, because if you're working your hardest your getting something back.
That said I agree with you that a self entitled deserving attitude should and will get that response, however my entitlement simply comes from my number on the brigade OML (#1) and is being denied for fields problems.
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MSG,
I get where you are going with it, but that advice for the soldier could be more constructive for the E-4. With what you stated, if hes been selected ( assuming ehatntbe soldier said is correct) ( and you stating it may be due to him not being ready- the cats out of the bag.) . NCO’s didn’t do their job if that’s the case; AR 600-8-19 EPS- If the Soldier isn’t ready it is the Commands and NCO leaderships job and duty to document that Soldiers deficiencies and not have them considered; and the Soldier is supposed to be counseled if he makes cutoff and points and command doesn’t believe the soldier is ready. So if the Soldier ain’t ready, don’t tell the soldier. The NCO’s didn’t do their job properly. ( assuming what Soldier has said is true)
I have seen to many deserving Soldiers get screwed over by leaders that didn’t know their regulations. It turned me into a Reg research guru as it happened to myself. Just a little food for thought.
I get where you are going with it, but that advice for the soldier could be more constructive for the E-4. With what you stated, if hes been selected ( assuming ehatntbe soldier said is correct) ( and you stating it may be due to him not being ready- the cats out of the bag.) . NCO’s didn’t do their job if that’s the case; AR 600-8-19 EPS- If the Soldier isn’t ready it is the Commands and NCO leaderships job and duty to document that Soldiers deficiencies and not have them considered; and the Soldier is supposed to be counseled if he makes cutoff and points and command doesn’t believe the soldier is ready. So if the Soldier ain’t ready, don’t tell the soldier. The NCO’s didn’t do their job properly. ( assuming what Soldier has said is true)
I have seen to many deserving Soldiers get screwed over by leaders that didn’t know their regulations. It turned me into a Reg research guru as it happened to myself. Just a little food for thought.
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Sad to read that a unit/leadership is failing a young Soldier just as they did my son at Ft. Benning back in 2016. Sadly my son who had been actually thinking of making it a career before this, said the hell with it and ETS'd back in December. As far as you being able to do anything to get around the crapfest you're dealing with, until your unit and S-1 pull their collective heads out of rectal defilade, you can only keep after them as it is your career. I wish you the best and hope that this gets rectified quick, fast and in a hurry!
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You know, I just read this whole thread, I didn’t click on the comments under other comments as I am in between job sites.
But everyone’s lack of information for this soldier is disappointing. We need to do better as NCO’s. “Those that are out. I get you don’t know the system, as it continuously changes. But not a single person could direct this soldier to the regulation?!? I am blunt and direct but I get things done for all of my Soldiers and any soldier that asks for help. “Competence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind, accomplishment of my mission, and the welfare of my Soldiers” This is Soldier care 101 right here.
SPC,
You need to go to ArmyPublishing directorste. Go to the tab for regulations.
For your whole career as a future NCO, REGULATIONS REGULATIONS REGULATIONS. The regulations will help you overcome any obstacle in your career. ( as long as you are doing the right darn thing)
You need to pull up AR 600-8-19 Enlisted Promotion System. It outlines all the policies and procedures for boards and selections Do not google, you may not have or find the most current date for the regulation. It has been changing/ updated 2-3 times per year last few years. you say you are promotibable. Well the current policy of you are promotable is that SPC who HAVE BEEN SELECTED, are immediately laterally promoted to Corporal.
The current promotion policy is STEP
Select the Soldier ( put in the paragraph and line number on the units UMR)
Once Selected, you are Trained at the unit level ( you should be in an E-5 slot, performing E-5 duties)
Once selected it is the COMMANDS RESPONSIBILITY TO IMMEDIATELY ENROLL THE SOLDIER IN AN NCOES SCHOOL. I say again, COMMANDS RESPONSIBILITY TO IMMEDIATELY ENROLL THE SOLDIER.
Soldier is the. EDUCATED ( E in step) at NCOES school). Upon completion of BLC and graduating with your DA 1059 the soldier will then be ( P in STEP) Promoted.
Now you must realize it does not mean within 30 days you have a school date.
It could be 12 or 18 months out. But you should have an ATRRS reservation. I know for SGT - SSG, we have around 24 months to attend school ( I think they may have modified it to 30 mos) before a waiver from our First General Officer is required to go past those dates. Without the waver and crossing over that timing threshold, you will lose you E-5 paragraph line number.
Now after reading these regulation, and printing off and highlighting the pertinent sections to you as active duty. Question your first line leader. If he or she fails to give you a response you ask to speak to your SL or PSG depending on your COC set up in your unit. Concurrently
You need to fill out a DA 4187, Personnel Action Request form. Fill it out and turn it into your S-1. Request NCOES school - BLC. If you have someone who can do you a pony, butte ruo to your S-1 or readiness NCO prior and find school dates and school codes that have open seats. List those pertinent items on your 4187. MAKE COPIES OF THE 4187, turn it in, and wait! Then in nothing happens, utilize the NCO Support Channel ( which you have already started to with your TL or SL, and PSG if necessary. If no timely action politely request to speak to your 1SG. USE THE REGULATIONS. Ask questions. Also ask if you Company/ BN or BDE has any formal Policys about NCOES school enrollments. Never be a dick. It will carry you far.
Now if you really want to respectfully give a FU, if you truly are being shafted... go to BLC and Graduate Distinguished Honor Graduate. Now whichever leader was giving you the big green.. SHOULD be writing you up for a AAM for graduating Distinguished Honor Graduate.
You want to be a NCO , the above steps are how you show them you are more than ready to be a NCO
SGT (P) Howel
88M Distinguished Honor Graduate
WLC Distinguished Honor Graduate.
OEF 13-14
You can always PM me if you need any more guidance.
And who said truck drivers were dumb ;)
But everyone’s lack of information for this soldier is disappointing. We need to do better as NCO’s. “Those that are out. I get you don’t know the system, as it continuously changes. But not a single person could direct this soldier to the regulation?!? I am blunt and direct but I get things done for all of my Soldiers and any soldier that asks for help. “Competence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind, accomplishment of my mission, and the welfare of my Soldiers” This is Soldier care 101 right here.
SPC,
You need to go to ArmyPublishing directorste. Go to the tab for regulations.
For your whole career as a future NCO, REGULATIONS REGULATIONS REGULATIONS. The regulations will help you overcome any obstacle in your career. ( as long as you are doing the right darn thing)
You need to pull up AR 600-8-19 Enlisted Promotion System. It outlines all the policies and procedures for boards and selections Do not google, you may not have or find the most current date for the regulation. It has been changing/ updated 2-3 times per year last few years. you say you are promotibable. Well the current policy of you are promotable is that SPC who HAVE BEEN SELECTED, are immediately laterally promoted to Corporal.
The current promotion policy is STEP
Select the Soldier ( put in the paragraph and line number on the units UMR)
Once Selected, you are Trained at the unit level ( you should be in an E-5 slot, performing E-5 duties)
Once selected it is the COMMANDS RESPONSIBILITY TO IMMEDIATELY ENROLL THE SOLDIER IN AN NCOES SCHOOL. I say again, COMMANDS RESPONSIBILITY TO IMMEDIATELY ENROLL THE SOLDIER.
Soldier is the. EDUCATED ( E in step) at NCOES school). Upon completion of BLC and graduating with your DA 1059 the soldier will then be ( P in STEP) Promoted.
Now you must realize it does not mean within 30 days you have a school date.
It could be 12 or 18 months out. But you should have an ATRRS reservation. I know for SGT - SSG, we have around 24 months to attend school ( I think they may have modified it to 30 mos) before a waiver from our First General Officer is required to go past those dates. Without the waver and crossing over that timing threshold, you will lose you E-5 paragraph line number.
Now after reading these regulation, and printing off and highlighting the pertinent sections to you as active duty. Question your first line leader. If he or she fails to give you a response you ask to speak to your SL or PSG depending on your COC set up in your unit. Concurrently
You need to fill out a DA 4187, Personnel Action Request form. Fill it out and turn it into your S-1. Request NCOES school - BLC. If you have someone who can do you a pony, butte ruo to your S-1 or readiness NCO prior and find school dates and school codes that have open seats. List those pertinent items on your 4187. MAKE COPIES OF THE 4187, turn it in, and wait! Then in nothing happens, utilize the NCO Support Channel ( which you have already started to with your TL or SL, and PSG if necessary. If no timely action politely request to speak to your 1SG. USE THE REGULATIONS. Ask questions. Also ask if you Company/ BN or BDE has any formal Policys about NCOES school enrollments. Never be a dick. It will carry you far.
Now if you really want to respectfully give a FU, if you truly are being shafted... go to BLC and Graduate Distinguished Honor Graduate. Now whichever leader was giving you the big green.. SHOULD be writing you up for a AAM for graduating Distinguished Honor Graduate.
You want to be a NCO , the above steps are how you show them you are more than ready to be a NCO
SGT (P) Howel
88M Distinguished Honor Graduate
WLC Distinguished Honor Graduate.
OEF 13-14
You can always PM me if you need any more guidance.
And who said truck drivers were dumb ;)
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Truly more advice than I could ever hope for, thanks a bunch I'll take a look into the reg. I'll be sure to give a nice big FU to my leadership with that DHG
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