Navy female Officers videoed on sub while showering.

CMDCM Gene Treants — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:37:10 -0500

Some of the first women serving on submarines have been filmed while in the dressing area and showering over the past year. The Navy is still investigating the case and not many details have been released. The incident took place on USS Wyoming (Gold Crew).

So far the perpetrator has only been identified as a second class petty officer (E-5) who works at the Trident Refit Facility at Kings Bay, GA.

There were at least three female officer victims. More details below in the Navy Times article.

Navy: Women secretly filmed in shower aboard sub

The Navy is investigating the filming of female officers in a shower changing area for more than a year.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2014 11:43 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:43:44 -0500

Another black eye for the military. I'm sorry to hear about this latest scandal.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 3 at 2014 11:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:46:00 -0500

As a woman, I can only shake my head. Not really surprised. If I recorded guys taking a shower, would the public react similarly?
Good question.

Response by TSgt Jackie Jones made Dec 3 at 2014 11:46 PM

TSgt Jackie Jones — Wed, 03 Dec 2014 23:46:39 -0500

That's just awful. I can't even begin to describe how this makes me fell as a female who served with some resistance along the way... This is the last thing any service needs. And the victims. How will they ever trust anyone again? These are teammates violating everything they've worked for.

Response by Capt Richard I P. made Dec 4 at 2014 7:52 AM

Capt Richard I P. — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 07:52:58 -0500

Unsat. Invasion of Privacy AND Sexual Harassment AND Conduct Unbecoming. Prosecute to fullest extent.

Edit: Someone here at work made an interesting point: a charge of covert collection against US Naval Personnel aboard a US Submarine (as in espionage) might bear greater fruit than the usual discipline avenues.

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Dec 4 at 2014 8:06 AM

CMSgt James Nolan — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:06:52 -0500

On top of the obvious unsatisfactory behavior, it is plain disrespectful; to women, to officers, the rest of the crew, to the Navy and to our Nation. There is not a hole deep enough to put those responsible into.

Every person on that boat that heard and did not report, that observed and did not report, that received copies (because you know that happened) and did not report, that filmed, that had anything to do with filming should be be punished to the absolute ceiling of the maximum range. I would envision years of breaking big rocks into little ones.

Then, they can register as sex offenders and live with that little nugget of good feeling for the rest of their lives.

Unf*cking believable. A clear message must be sent on that type of behavior. I am not naive enough to think that the military does not have idiots in it, nor that this will not happen again. There just needs to be swift and harsh punishment, with the results made public so that service members will if not get it, be made fully aware of the consequences for idiocy.

And to those female officers, apologies from the rest of the decent service men. It drives me crazy to think that could be by daughter being treated like that by fellow SMs.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 8:28 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:28:12 -0500

Absolute dirtbag. As an NCO, he's supposed to lead Sailors and show them what right looks like, not how to behave badly. Bust him down to E-1, let him spend time in prison, then show him the door.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 8:36 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:36:52 -0500

This is why we can't have nice things.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 8:40 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 08:40:23 -0500

Not boys will be boys. Completely and utterly unacceptable.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Dec 4 at 2014 9:28 AM

SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:28:31 -0500

CMDCM Gene Treants Master Chief, This is disturbing, but sadly not surprising. Why would any service member or shipmate do this to another? The loss or integrity and credibility damages the esprit de corps, unit integrity, and violates many of the values we all served with and under.

Would it be more acceptable if the filming were of a male sailor? For me, no. But when so few women are assigned to such highly coveted billets it seems this issue is exacerbated.

Having investigated sexual assaults, rapes, and child crimes for the Army and worked joint cases with NCIS, I can say this Sailor is in for a, well deserved and earned, rough ride. Career survivability probability is just about pegged out at 0.

Thank you for the post.

Response by MSG Floyd Williams made Dec 4 at 2014 9:37 AM

MSG Floyd Williams — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 09:37:02 -0500

Enough is enough of the garbage about females don't belong on ships and submarines, and the same goes for other branches whining about females in certain positions that used to be all males. Everybody is taught to adapt and overcome, we have to digest a lot of things we didn't like. If we did complain there would be consequences, the foolish sailor made a dumb decision that have to be dealt with no excuses. In this modern day military every recruit in Basic/Boot Camp Training have classroom training on military courtesy and integrity, and one of those classes is sexual harassment. A lot of changes I didn't like in the Army, but rules are rules if everyone have that kind of energy. Well, direct that same energy toward increasing your pay and benefits yearly to be above of standard living conditions after all your life is on the line, your families is secondary to the military, you are sacrificing it all this is my two cents about the issue.

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 2:25 PM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:25:14 -0500

I posted a similiar Q on how it should be handled.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 2:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:35:03 -0500

This just really upsets me, for many reasons. I can’t help but wonder what the filming individual was thinking during the SHARP classes. To me this is a Sexual Harassment/Assault case among other ways charges could be applied. I hope they stack the charges so deep against this deviant that it takes a lifetime to crawl out from underneath them.

To the victims, I hope you find trust again.

Response by SrA Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 2:47 PM

SrA Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:47:26 -0500

Awful and just down right disgusting. For a year? People seriously have issues.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 3:03 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 15:03:06 -0500

CMDCM Gene Treants. As much as I am disappointed and saddened to hear about these videos, I am heartened no one has come forth with even worse allegations about the crew. I am hopeful this is the product of one or a very few juvenile crew members ... and the overwhelming majority of the officers and crew conducted themselves with due respect to these female officers. I'd be interested in their assessment of their other cruise experiences ... how were they treated by the other officers and crew? Warmest Regards, Sandy

Response by PO2 Corey Ferretti made Dec 4 at 2014 5:34 PM

PO2 Corey Ferretti — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:34:03 -0500

I saw this coming; i dont condone what happen i hope the Sailors involved need to be fried. It is sad that who ever involved thought this was okay and they could get away with it. It is things like this that make us look real bad in and feeds the bad image monster. We dont need that.

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 5:53 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 17:53:41 -0500

This was going to happen. When the decision was made to put females aboard submarines it was only done after years and years of push back; citing these types of circumstances as reasons not to. Everybody knew it was going to happen.

Now the proper thing to do is make the punishment so loud and decisive that it is well known it won't be tolerated. This isn't something new. In the past it was just pushed under the carpet.

Response by MSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 6:05 PM

MSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:05:04 -0500

Very disturbing to say the least. Will we ever rid ourselves of twisted mines. It is very sad our young women in uniform must continually look over their shoulder. That they just can't focus on their jobs and have to worry about idots. Hopefully they will fully punish the perpetrators.

Response by SSG Leonard J W. made Dec 4 at 2014 6:29 PM

SSG Leonard J W. — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 18:29:46 -0500

This is one of those top reasons why all services are ensuring sexual harassment and sexual assault response and prevention. This is embarrassing, it fosters a lack of trust between genders, and it weakens our readiness levels. What a shame...

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 4 at 2014 8:42 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:42:43 -0500

The thing that drives me nuts about this story is not that it happened. Reprehensible as it is, I am not surprised. The young Soldier's (Sailors) ability to find new ways to commit jackassery will never catch me by surprise anymore. It is not that this piece of filth was distributed in the enlisted billets.
What drives me crazy is that it took the video reaching a DIFFERENT BOAT in order to be reported. That is about as low as it gets. NOBODY on that boat had the moral courage to stick up for their own shipmates. WHAT THE HELL!!!

The investigation needs to run its course, but heads need to roll, starting with the COB.

Response by PO1 Walter Duncan made Dec 4 at 2014 10:25 PM

PO1 Walter Duncan — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:25:47 -0500

PV2 Abbott Shaull, Gwinn, MI, I was partially addressing a comment from another individual which pertained to teachers and then I strayed to old days. But, the situation on the submarine was never meant to be trivialized. Or by no means lessened in scope, these predators when they cross these boundaries should be held accountable to the highest and strictest laws. Sometimes people can misunderstand the true intent of a statement and I feel this may have been the case. There has never been a case where this would be good in my book.

Response by TSgt Scott Hurley made Dec 4 at 2014 10:59 PM

TSgt Scott Hurley — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 22:59:44 -0500

This was bound to happen. I think that this one incident should not deter women from serving on Subs and should be a wake up call to bring back keel hauling, shooting from the torpedo tube anyone that violates the sacred trust on board these boats if caught.

On a serious note. Anyone caught doing this needs to be demoted and discharged for conduct unbecoming of an *insert rank ident here*.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 5 at 2014 1:15 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:15:27 -0500

I can't believe that with all this talk and action towards sexual equality for military skills, and all the lashings that the Navy has taken for some major events in the past 15 years (Tailhook,the recent Enterprise commander and raunchy videos), the this event has occurred.

I hope this does not light a fire under the "women serving in xxx roles" argument.

Response by PO1 William "Chip" Nagel made Dec 5 at 2014 1:37 AM

PO1 William "Chip" Nagel — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 01:37:09 -0500

Bloody Damn Hell! That is not a good start to a Program already under a Microscope. I know we are sailors and already have a bad rap but Damn It. Grow the Hell up. Did we learn nothing from Tailhook and everything from there till now!

Response by PO2 Steven Erickson made Dec 5 at 2014 10:28 AM

PO2 Steven Erickson — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:28:18 -0500

Most of you who recognize my mug know that I'm a former nuke bubblehead. I'm as proud of being a submariner as any Cav or Marine or whatever...

These SOB's are a disgrace and should be keel-hauled. Wait. Too easy. How about putting 'em in a tube and shooting out with a water slug.

Bastards.

Response by SSG Christopher Parrish made Dec 5 at 2014 3:20 PM

SSG Christopher Parrish — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:20:06 -0500

"So far the perpetrator has only been identified as a second class petty officer", this should read "no class petty officer".

If the Navy still had planks, this bum should walk it.

Response by SFC Michael Jackson, MBA made Dec 5 at 2014 4:29 PM

SFC Michael Jackson, MBA — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:29:55 -0500

No place for this nonsense! Investigate, Prosecute, Punish, Dishonorably discharge

Response by CW5 Sam R. Baker made Dec 5 at 2014 5:31 PM

CW5 Sam R. Baker — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:31:12 -0500

This frankly really bothers me as my daughter is in the USNA and going to be a SWO. I will not go further into details but the Navy has serious respect for others issues.

Response by PO1 Autumn Sandeen made Dec 5 at 2014 9:49 PM

PO1 Autumn Sandeen — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 21:49:02 -0500

In I believe was 1998, a similar thing happened on my then ship, the USS Coronado (AGF-11). No cameras were involved, but four sailors ended up being found guilty at Captain's Mast of peeping at female junior officers while they showered. One turned "state's evidence," and he was the only one who wasn't admin discharged of the four.

I was the one who learned the peeping was happening and reported it to the chain of command. I first told my division officer, and then we together had a meeting with the ship's Sr Chief Master At Arms.

My division officer was one of the ones who the four enlisted sailors were peeping at. Talking to her about what was then still happening and how I knew she was one of the ones who was being peeped at, and then having a meeting with her at the Sr Chief...seeing the look on my DivO's face was heart wrenching.

I saw the hell of what this kind of horrid behavior does to good officers who happen to be female. What made it worse for me is that I had another Sr Chief from the mess come up to me after the mast for the four peepers and told me I handled it wrong. He told me that I should have taken it to the chiefs' mess and let them handle it at their level.

The book is going to be thrown at the filmers in this latest peeping situation, and my guess is they're going to be spending years in the brig. I'm with those who believe everyone who saw the videos and didn't report it need to be discharged or separated as close to now as possible with less than honorable discharges. My god, those women these "sailors" filmed are daughters, sisters, and spouses of people who love them. It says something about these service members who watched and didn't report these films not being able to say to themselves "What if this unsuspecting officer i watched on film showering were my sister, mother, or wife?"

That so many knew and did nothing should be surprising -- given the core values of honor, courage, and commitment -- but to me it's not surprising at all. Somehow still in 2014 we have sailors who don't see a problem in engaging in sexual harassment is both sad and infuriating.

Response by CPO Joseph Grant made Dec 5 at 2014 10:10 PM

CPO Joseph Grant — Fri, 05 Dec 2014 22:10:18 -0500

I'm a retired Submarine Qualified Chief. There's no excuse for this. This will be our Tailhook and I know that everyone in the Silent Service will feel the pain.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Dec 6 at 2014 12:43 AM

SFC Mark Merino — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:43:56 -0500

I hope they nail some heads to the wall over this.

Response by SGM Mikel Dawson made Dec 6 at 2014 1:30 AM

SGM Mikel Dawson — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 01:30:30 -0500

Sounds like the COB has a little wall to wall counseling to do!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 6 at 2014 11:02 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:02:15 -0500

Sick person. Needs to be court-martialed and kicked out. There's no place in the military for idiotic juvenile behavior.

Response by MSG Mitch Dowler made Dec 6 at 2014 11:54 AM

MSG Mitch Dowler — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 11:54:50 -0500

Surreptitious spying is wrong whether clothed or not. We are subject to it by our very own government. It is a breech of trust. When done for sexual purposes it escalates the tension and mistrust. I have personally experienced situations where coed showers and bathrooms were created by default. In Nurnberg Germany our artillery unit shared barracks with postal and cooks. One floor shared latrines for men and women. There was only one latrine with hours for each sex. Bladders were not always cooperative with the schedule nor were work requirements so it ended up just being coed. It was an open floor shower men and women showered next to each other in plain view. There were no problems and the same scenario was common with the German people as well.

The other time was in Korea. We shared a single rest room between two rooms with adjoining doors. I had my own room and two women shared the other. Their bladders did not cooperate either and would knock furiously if was in the shower and the door was locked. The shower curtain was closed and it became a rule that if you shower or would take an extended time you didn't lock the door. We were close friends and they didn't care about the nudity so I certainly did not.

Response by 1LT William Clardy made Dec 6 at 2014 2:40 PM

1LT William Clardy — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 14:40:21 -0500

I have a very simple question for all the men who are expressing righteous outrage and declaring this a major breech of trust:

How many of you have watched the movie "M.A.S.H." and laughed at the shower scene with Hot Lips?

Response by SPC Richard White made Dec 6 at 2014 7:57 PM

SPC Richard White — Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:57:33 -0500

This seems to be a contemporary problem in the military.It wasn't to long ago that we had the Tailhook scandal.Military is doing a poor job in this arena

Response by A1C Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 12:54 AM

A1C Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 00:54:51 -0500

Seriously? All those women deserve is the same privacy and respect their male counterparts are getting. This is not how anyone should be acting, military or civilian.

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 7 at 2014 1:02 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:02:17 -0500

This is pretty serious. I feel like the progress the military was making with SHARP has been set back a little.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 1:03 AM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:03:33 -0500

Inappropriate, men acting like boys...

Response by PO1 Rick Serviss made Dec 7 at 2014 2:35 AM

PO1 Rick Serviss — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 02:35:17 -0500

Some people have a hard time getting it through their thick skull, this bs isn't tolerated. He was an E-5 but it's still rampant throughout all ranks and paygrades. People are getting fired all the time for inappropriate behavior-STILL! What does the military need to do? Whack people in the head with a baseball bat after sexual harassment training to drill it in their brain?

This guy wasn't even a crew member so how did he get on the sub? Any, I'm very sorry for the victims. They are trend-setters for being one of the first to be assigned to subs. They should be really proud of their accomplishments.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 7:31 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:31:58 -0500

That's why sexual harassment is on the rise, and these crooks in uniforms are not really deserving to serve for even their comrades in arms they are like wolves preying on women. I don't see why this person did it he probably a pervert and he thought he cannot be caught. Shame on you take off that uniform and leave the service!

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 7:34 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 07:34:11 -0500

I have twin daughters and my dream is one of them serves in the Armed Forces someday but with sexual harassment and assault on the rise, I'm going to think twice before they go.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 8:27 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 08:27:28 -0500

Someones going to be making big rocks into small rocks.

Response by CSM Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 11:40 AM

CSM Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 11:40:23 -0500

The second class petty officer who installed the camera and distributed the pictures/film should be shown no mercy and receive the maximum punishment allowable under UCMJ.

Anyone who knew where these pictures were taken and either viewed and/or received the pictures and failed to report should be punished - regardless if you were on the boat or not. This is totally UNSAT.

Worst cause scenario punishment should be the same for everyone (don't take rank from a senior NCO and give a local reprimand to an officer) and best case scenario make it more severe/stricter based on rank. The higher the rank the more responsibility you bear. What do you think?

EDIT: If you were a 'distributer' of the pictures or had more involvement than merely viewing them, then your punishment should be more in my opinion. There are reasons to attach more harsh punishments, so not all punishments would be the same. My intent was if your 'crime' was the same, your punishment should be the same, unless adjusted based on rank, with punishment increasing with rank.

Response by SPC John Decker made Dec 7 at 2014 12:20 PM

SPC John Decker — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 12:20:44 -0500

It should be investigated as any other incident of sexual harassment would be. I understand that the entire sexual harassment investigation/prosecution process is broken and needs to be fixed. Make the process faster and more open. In line with the Question and one of the comments about Bill Cosby, the E-5 in question should be removed as his image is not what the Navy is looking for. (He says with heavy sarcasm)

Response by SMSgt Judy Hickman made Dec 7 at 2014 2:09 PM

SMSgt Judy Hickman — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 14:09:02 -0500

It irritates me that things like this still happen in our military. All this talk about sexual assaults and we still have people out there that can't even make a decision about what is right or wrong.

The military keeps adding more and more training to our regular schedule, but you can't convince people to make right decisions, they have to do it on their own. No matter where I go there is some idiot, who doesn't know or chooses to ignore the right decision. Then they wonder why the military takes action against them...really?

Response by LT Clint Davis made Dec 7 at 2014 3:55 PM

LT Clint Davis — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:55:47 -0500

This is beyond deplorable... period! For a living, service members who by the very nature of their work, are professionals tasked with keeping people safe. They set out to protect those who can not protect themselves.

Now these individuals can not shower without being victims? What the F*CK?

I hope individual(s) responsible are handed the heaviest penalty possible. This is inexcusable and I am sad for my Navy!

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 8:36 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 20:36:53 -0500

You know what? To make this right, I'll let the Navy film me the shower.

Sound good?

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Dec 7 at 2014 8:47 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 20:47:50 -0500

Ok, but don't reverse this into a "women think twice" issue. Act swiftly. Keel haul the MFs who did this this, and send a LOUD AND CLEAR disciplinary message for this type of behavior so it is not repeated.

Response by TSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 10:20 PM

TSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:20:37 -0500

There's no place for the people who did this in the US military. I think a public flogging would be an effective punishment

Response by SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee made Dec 7 at 2014 11:43 PM

SSG(P) Matthew Bisbee — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 23:43:38 -0500

When I was in the MN ARNG, I was in an integrated Attack Helicopter Bn. We were at Camp Ripley, MN for annual training. Our section was tasked to conduct some repairs on the AH-1S back at the hanger and then return to the field. Repair took longer than expected and a nasty fog rolled in. We could not see to get back out to the bivouac site to get some sleep. Instead, we notified our command and stayed in the barracks for the night. The one female soldier that was with us ended up staying in our barracks bay so she wouldn't have to be the only one on the female barracks. She was afraid that someone would walk into the female barracks and rape her. We went out of our way to ensure that she had her privacy by posting a guard outside of the male latrine while she was using it and letting her sleep in a bunk in the same open bay, but separated from our bunks by several open bunks. We never told our command that we did this, because we male soldiers felt that we would be reprimanded even though we were doing our best to protect one of our own (this was back in the 1990's). She was and is perfectly capable of pulling her own weight in the field and is no "shrinking violet," but is an equal and valued member of our unit.

Response by MSgt Roger Lalik made Dec 8 at 2014 3:16 PM

MSgt Roger Lalik — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 15:16:49 -0500

An egregious violation of trust and confidence in the PO ranks aboard this sub. The fact that the videos were distributed is even worse. That means possibly someone of higher rank was aware. Hopefully not.

General Court Martial to include charges that reflect OPSEC compromise as well as the obvious.

Back in '67-'68 when I was a young Marine PFC. Out First Sergeant's office was on the second deck of the admin building. We caught a barracks thief one day. Bunch of us drug him off to the First Sergeants off. When we arrived and explained what transpired. First Sergeant said quite clearly "Get him the F**K out of my office and don't bring him back until he looks like a thief". To wit we promptly threw this guy down two flights of stairs.

I hope that once caught that his fellow PO's made this guy "look like a thief" for the shame and embarrassment he brought on them and the crew.

The UCMJ needs an Article 135: Just plain stupid.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 8 at 2014 4:41 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 08 Dec 2014 16:41:56 -0500

Is it me, or does the media seem to have an agenda to prevent women from serving along side or in combat units? ...and I will say a Sub is as likely or even more likely to see combat as any infantryman. The media is on a witch hunt to keep our women out of uniform...just my observation.

My daughter is a Seabee, 100 females to a 900 males, so this hits home.

Response by CW3 Clayton C. made Dec 9 at 2014 7:02 AM

CW3 Clayton C. — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 07:02:33 -0500

Everyone who is found to be responsible, or even knew of this and failed to report it, should be put under the brig. There is no excuse for this, especially coming from a Petty Officer. I remember reading the Petty Officer's Creed some time ago and I think I remember reading something along the context of, "my integrity must be beyond reproach."

What a disgrace. I hope his sailors look to this as what Not to do.

Response by LCpl Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 9 at 2014 11:54 AM

LCpl Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 11:54:35 -0500

Well I can't say I'm surprised something stupid happened, I am thankful it wasn't something far worse. Hopefully the officers are able to recover some of their dignity and those responsible get the flesh stripped from their backs.

The squids still do floggings right?

Response by SA Harold Hansmann made Dec 9 at 2014 4:16 PM

SA Harold Hansmann — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 16:16:55 -0500

Anyone hear the scuttlebutt about what actually did happen with this case?

Response by PO1 Crystal Harris made Dec 9 at 2014 7:43 PM

PO1 Crystal Harris — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 19:43:31 -0500

This also happened in Afghanistan.

Response by PO1 Michael G. made Dec 9 at 2014 9:30 PM

PO1 Michael G. — Tue, 09 Dec 2014 21:30:43 -0500

CMDCM Gene Treants Master Chief, I've got to say that as a submarine "A" school student (one hoping for orders to a Trident boat, not less!) I am really discouraged by this. What is most disheartening, honestly, is the fact that I know people who see this happen and their conclusion is, "See? Women shouldn't be on submarines," as if it were somehow her fault for one of her shipmates sexually assaulting her. This is unacceptable.

Though, what is a little encouraging is, despite what I just said, there are a hundred times more people here at Sub School who are absolutely sickened and angry that there's a guy on one of the boats who would do this and wouldn't stand for it if it were on our boat.

Response by CPO Fred Flickinger made Dec 10 at 2014 5:31 PM

CPO Fred Flickinger — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 17:31:06 -0500

No honor!

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 10 at 2014 8:14 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:14:12 -0500

This is sad! As a female it is disrespectful. I know the military no longer has the "Don't ask don't tell" policy which either way doesn't bother me. As long as someone can do their job and this not be an issue. But this harassment doesn't just happen with the opposite sex! I have reported for my female juniors of feeling uncomfortable from other female sailors to higher people and it got squashed! The people that did this should be punished and processed out but in today's Navy there doesn't seem to be discipline that there was back when I first join! Sad that we are defending this country as military but can't respect each other! Should be one team one fight.

Response by PO3 Kris Huntley Gebhard made Dec 11 at 2014 7:26 AM

PO3 Kris Huntley Gebhard — Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:26:58 -0500

Another blast for the Navy...awful.

Response by PO2 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 2:36 PM

PO2 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 14:36:45 -0500

An E-5 from TRF? Did he recently transfer to TRF? I cant understand how a guy from TRF was on the boat with the ability to video tape them in the shower especially for a year. He wouldn't have much of a reason to be there other than during the work day when these people would be preoccupied with production. Unless it was a Missile Tech who found himself a little hole in the walls behind the wine cellar straight into the Stateroom Showers ;) Im gonna guess an MT2 who recently transferred to TRF is the culprit. Maybe an MTSN or MT3 now.

Response by PO3 Keith Farris made Dec 12 at 2014 4:10 PM

PO3 Keith Farris — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 16:10:19 -0500

I don't see how labeling young offenders like this for the rest of their lives is really fair. Everyone makes mistakes, but that's not saying they should get off either. Also, if you put men and women together over an extended period of time, something is bound to happen. It's just natural there are bound to be something somewhere that is not ok. Personally, I don't think there should be men and women mixed on closed commands. To close, to long. But what do I know?

Response by PO3 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 12 at 2014 5:47 PM

PO3 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:47:56 -0500

We don't need scumbags like him

Response by CPO P Derrick made Dec 13 at 2014 12:38 AM

CPO P Derrick — Sat, 13 Dec 2014 00:38:53 -0500

No one deserves to have thier privacy violated, but truly what privacy is there on a sub. If a woman wants to serve along side the men on a sub, suck it up and be one one of the guys, there is no room for you to have private space because there is no extra space! This is not a floating city, you want to be a nuc, great, do it above water on a carrier, which by the way has it's own is issues with inappropriate conduct. I don't know, just the opinion of a nuc electricians wife of 23 yrs. Proud of my husband, proud of of my submarine family! Extremely sad to see women on board.....

Response by CMDCM Gene Treants made Dec 22 at 2014 6:22 PM

CMDCM Gene Treants — Mon, 22 Dec 2014 18:22:45 -0500

Here is an update to the original post. One Sailor a Second Class Petty Officer (E-5) appears to have done the videotaping. Eleven other Petty Officers viewed the videos and did not report it to the Chain of Command. NCIS is still investigating and final disposition will not happen until that investigation is complete. The Navy Times Article is attached. Is it possible more Sailors were involved?

12 sailors implicated in submarine shower scandal

The Navy suspects up to 12 sailors of filming, viewing or distributing videos of female officers in a submarine shower changing area over a period of 10 months, according to a new incident report.