NCO typing multiple NCOs NCOERs because the unit failed to follow the rating scheme they had, is this valid to do so?

SSG Dennis Mendoza — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 22:51:21 -0400

My current unit on fort Sill is having our support Platoon Sergeant write multiple NCOs and NCOERs, even though he has not been their Platoon Sergeant. Can this be an issue or unit get into trouble for this?
First time to ever experience this in my entire career.

Response by MSgt Mark Bucher made Mar 15 at 2021 11:23 PM

MSgt Mark Bucher — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:23:21 -0400

Good question for you Army types. If not in the chain? Wow, ballsy

Response by SFC Melvin Brandenburg made Mar 15 at 2021 11:26 PM

SFC Melvin Brandenburg — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:26:21 -0400

I'm still owed 2 NCOERs. I stayed on top of it but the unit funded me. I had hoped to be an ROTC instructor when I retired but short two NCOERs and it is a show stopper.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2021 11:33 PM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:33:23 -0400

This NCO can fight it, depending on the command climate in the unit. If he was never in their rating chain he or she shouldn't be rating them. We all know this. The problem I see from a realistic standpoint, is does this PSG have people in their chain of command or NCO support channel that will back them when they stand against this?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2021 11:56 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Mar 2021 23:56:54 -0400

Army policy is that NCOER rating chains must be posted and followed. If I remember correctly this very situation was addressed in my Divisions last IG newsletter. There are multiple reasons why this is prohibited. One is that this creates pooling for the Senior Rater, allowing the Senior Rater to game their ratings. It also negatively impacts the Soldiers being evaluated. Each of the Soldiers who is being evaluated by someone outside their rating chain has a justifiable IG complaint

Response by MSG Gary Eckert made Mar 16 at 2021 7:29 AM

MSG Gary Eckert — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 07:29:41 -0400

There are some legitimate reason why the original rater cannot render the NCOERs and the regulation has an entire paragraph on how to resolve that issue. I think in your situation, it is likely the published rating scheme was not valid and the PSG preparing the NCOERS was determined to be the most direct supervisor. I occasionally read on here where a Soldier wants to know how to counsel a more senior Soldier they have been put “in charge of” and I think that may be the case here. If the unit made an NCO who was not senior by either grade or date of rank the PSG, he cannot rate those NCOs unless he is promotable. PSG position does not make him senior. This is different for Officers in Command billets. If the rating scheme is administratively incorrect, the unit must issue a new rating scheme and then make a determination about rating periods, etc.based on the circumstances.

Response by SMSgt Bob Wilson made Mar 16 at 2021 11:43 AM

SMSgt Bob Wilson — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 11:43:07 -0400

The ER system has many issues. The big one is someone's opinion of your performance. Yes, your issue is problematic. If you get a ER, you have grounds to appeal [if you can prove it]. If you are mediocre to poor performer, it could be a blessing.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 16 at 2021 2:58 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:58:37 -0400

So much failure in this. Looks like a CSM to CSM talk needs to happen.

Response by SFC Ralph E Kelley made Mar 16 at 2021 3:52 PM

SFC Ralph E Kelley — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:52:09 -0400

Makes you wonder what happened to all their mandated counseling.
Did they have a bonfire with the online computer forms?

Response by SSG Dale London made Mar 16 at 2021 7:39 PM

SSG Dale London — Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:39:14 -0400

This is absolutely no Bueno. If the IG catches wind of this your unit will be looking for a new 1SG and CO.
On a more "constructive" note, your support PSG is being handed a poison chalice. Rating a soldier who is not yours is a false official statement -- an official lie. It can land you in VERY hot water, especially because even a casual look at the regs will reveal this to be an unlawful order.