NCO who makes frequent false statements, but uses reg to point of senior leader fear to pursue disciplinary action. What can be done?

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:01:01 -0500

NCO was transferred to our unit, after leaving their place of duty with a serious incident on their watch. Denied all allegations. Since NCO has arrived at new unit they have caused two subordinate soldiers to undergo senior leader punishment after denying knowledge of their where abouts. Has been on an 'extended' detail so any trouble making is far away. However, that does not solve the issue.

Response by CSM Richard StCyr made Dec 19 at 2017 1:28 PM

CSM Richard StCyr — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:28:03 -0500

Not sure I'm tracking "senior leader fear to pursue disciplinary action". Do you believe the NCO is somehow threatening the leaders so as to prevent them from taking action against the NCO? Sort of a reversed toxic work environment. Need some more meat on the bones to make any sort of helpful suggestion.

Response by SPC David Willis made Dec 19 at 2017 1:34 PM

SPC David Willis — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:34:21 -0500

What exactly is he doing that falls within regs, but has gotten two subordinates hemmed up? Also when you say false statements do you mean things like "war" stories, or he is lying to people about what he is doing and where he is while on duty?

Response by SGM Erik Marquez made Dec 19 at 2017 1:43 PM

SGM Erik Marquez — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:43:10 -0500

Your story related does not support the story title.
Lets try this
"NCO who makes frequent false statements"
What are these false statements?
"uses reg to point of senior leader fear to pursue disciplinary action"
Please provide an example of what you mean..something this NCO has observed then threatened his leadership with having violated regs or what has not been done that was required by regs.

Response by Jordan Gaudard made Dec 19 at 2017 2:49 PM

Jordan Gaudard — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:49:14 -0500

This is so very vague, it's really had to advise. Or really don't know if you are seeking advise or not.

Response by SGT Tony Clifford made Dec 19 at 2017 3:37 PM

SGT Tony Clifford — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:37:01 -0500

I'm confused. Did he know of the subordinates whereabouts? Did he get them in trouble out of spite? Is he incompetent? All your statement implies is that he got in trouble In the past and denied knowledge of a subordinates whereabouts. Clarification is needed.

Response by 1SG Dennis Hicks made Dec 19 at 2017 3:41 PM

1SG Dennis Hicks — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 15:41:54 -0500

Sounds more like bitching then pointing out an NCO's failure to do his job. This post is about as clear as mud.

Response by SGT Joseph Gunderson made Dec 19 at 2017 6:14 PM

SGT Joseph Gunderson — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 18:14:27 -0500

Okay, the term "serious incident" is extremely subjective. People get moved around for numerous reasons. In addition, soldiers are always doing things that deserve punishment. I'm getting a feeling that you may be upset about what is going on, but without real information regarding the conduct and activities it would be impossible for anyone to say whether or not this NCO is doing anything wrong at all.

Response by SGM Bill Frazer made Dec 19 at 2017 6:31 PM

SGM Bill Frazer — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 18:31:12 -0500

I concur, this post looks like it came from the S2 shop. Is he lying, are his senior leaders being blackmailed. A serious incident, was he charged/punished? Exactly why were the sm's punished and for what. Is this NCO in their chain of command? You need to learn to be both more concise and precise.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2017 9:59 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 21:59:56 -0500

Color me confused

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 3 at 2018 4:39 PM

SPC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 16:39:46 -0500

I think hes meaning that the NCO at hand does one thing but says the other and since theres not enough evidence behind it If the leadership does some sort of disciplinary action that it might back fire. Its not really bitching its more like that NCO needs to get knocked down a few ranks cause ive had NCOs that you tell them you got a appointment or some sort of thing to deal with and while at said appointment or whatever it is get a phone call from Platoon SGT and get bitched out on where the hell im at and the NCO(first line ) will deny the fact he forgot and get the joes in trouble that way butttttttttt people( leaders ) think NCOs dont do shady shit then say the other oerson just whininn or something

Response by MSG Brad Sand made Jan 3 at 2018 4:48 PM

MSG Brad Sand — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 16:48:07 -0500

First, no reg can or should be able to protect anyone from false statements, frequent or otherwise. Leadership is leadership and some people ask to be destroyed so they can be an example of what not to do, so other can learn from their mistakes.