SFC Michael Hasbun 40415 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Here&#39;s my thoughts on how to fix the NCOER. No more ratings, no more 1&#39;s. 2&#39;s, 3&#39;s, etc... Just bullets. Your actions will have to speak for themselves. And I know what you&#39;re thinking, &quot;but then we&#39;ll be forced to read every bullet!&quot;. You know what? EXACTLY!&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;NCOER&#39;s only work if you actually take the time to consider their overall behaviors and actions, and meaningfully quantify them, and they are only useful to leaders and promotion boards if they actually read them, and don&#39;t just rely on numbers. Actions are what will tell you what a Soldier is like, and how much potential they have, not arbitrarily and inconsistently assigned numbers.&lt;/div&gt; NCOERS, a possible Fix. No numbers, no scores, just bullets. 2014-01-19T19:26:19-05:00 SFC Michael Hasbun 40415 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Here&#39;s my thoughts on how to fix the NCOER. No more ratings, no more 1&#39;s. 2&#39;s, 3&#39;s, etc... Just bullets. Your actions will have to speak for themselves. And I know what you&#39;re thinking, &quot;but then we&#39;ll be forced to read every bullet!&quot;. You know what? EXACTLY!&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;NCOER&#39;s only work if you actually take the time to consider their overall behaviors and actions, and meaningfully quantify them, and they are only useful to leaders and promotion boards if they actually read them, and don&#39;t just rely on numbers. Actions are what will tell you what a Soldier is like, and how much potential they have, not arbitrarily and inconsistently assigned numbers.&lt;/div&gt; NCOERS, a possible Fix. No numbers, no scores, just bullets. 2014-01-19T19:26:19-05:00 2014-01-19T19:26:19-05:00 CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member 40513 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>you mean, you don&#39;t write your own NCOER? ;) just kidding...but not really.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I think it&#39;s time that Soldiers start using the support forms. There is one for NCOERs. I live and die by mine, and that way I can make sure that pertinent information gets into my OER.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I agree that professional writing should be included in NCOES. It is touched on a little bit for officers, but not as much as I would prefer. We had a very short block on it at BOLC, and I don&#39;t believe it was enough for most people.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/div&gt; Response by CPT(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2014 8:54 PM 2014-01-19T20:54:35-05:00 2014-01-19T20:54:35-05:00 LTC Private RallyPoint Member 40685 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><div>I always thought that the opposite would be best for effective evaluations.</div><div><br></div><div>Less narrative more quantified numbers.</div><div><br></div><div>Example  </div><div><br></div><div>The rater and Sr rater would each have a small space for a narrative bullets about achievements and potential but the most important part would be maybe the whole back page of the rater and Sr Rater rating the individual from 1-10 on several attributes.  When the form was complete it would display how the individual was rated compared to all past ratings from the evaluator in each attribute and overall. (if you were rated a 5 and the evaluators average was 3.5 you would be a +1.5)</div><div><br></div><div>The issue I have with narrative is it's all subjective.  What makes one phrase better than another?  It depends who is writing and who is reading.  What if your rater is a bad writer or if the guy on the board thinks the narrative that your rater thought was the best ever wasn't so great?  It's hard to challenge or even set out guidance for the board.</div><div><br></div><div>Just my $0.02</div> Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 19 at 2014 11:13 PM 2014-01-19T23:13:29-05:00 2014-01-19T23:13:29-05:00 CPT Mike M. 42751 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div><p>I for one hate the bureaucratic nightmare that is the military's way of doing business on everything paperwork and admin related.  So you would think that I'd be all on board with this and forcing people to actually do some thinking and try to judge based on words who's worthwhile and whose eval us full of fluff.</p><p>However, I do get it in this case.  When promotion boards for the higher ranks meet and have to go through thousands of files in a matter of weeks, there's got to be some fast, efficient system to separate people into the definite no column and a possible-dig in more column.  The only way around it would be to have people whose sole job in the military is processing and evaluating personnel files for promotion boards, retention boards, etc.  If we did that and had the same personnel doing it permanently I think too much networking and "good ol' boy" systems would come into play and skew the results.</p> Response by CPT Mike M. made Jan 23 at 2014 7:57 AM 2014-01-23T07:57:27-05:00 2014-01-23T07:57:27-05:00 CPT Private RallyPoint Member 42894 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>Another fix would be to add in a senior rater profile, just like with OERs.<br> Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 23 at 2014 12:40 PM 2014-01-23T12:40:17-05:00 2014-01-23T12:40:17-05:00 SFC Private RallyPoint Member 45635 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I have to say that I agree with this.  Everytime we write an evaluation of a Soldier, we preach quanitfy and qualify, but why?  Why not let the bullets speak for themselves and let the board decide (Since they are going to anyways) what they think of the NCOs performance.  My rater, and the board might look at my performance differently, so why not remove that from the equation.  Fluff bullets will stand out regardless. Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 28 at 2014 4:50 AM 2014-01-28T04:50:39-05:00 2014-01-28T04:50:39-05:00 SFC Gary Fox 46435 <div class="images-v2-count-0"></div>I can remember when the NCOER contained scores in the different rated categories.  The maximum amount of points one could receive were 125.  This NCOER just plained sucked because no comments were required to justify low scores or high scores.  I'm glad they did away with that one.<div><br></div><div>I would oppose any NCOER that was like the OER as it all comes down to how it is written.  If you have a rater that can't write worth a damn, you're screwed.</div> Response by SFC Gary Fox made Jan 29 at 2014 12:59 PM 2014-01-29T12:59:56-05:00 2014-01-29T12:59:56-05:00 2014-01-19T19:26:19-05:00