New NCOER changes good or bad?

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:05:57 -0400

What's your thoughts on the new NCOER?

like/dislike?

what changes makes biggest impact?

http://the-military-guide.com/2014/08/26/new-ncoer-coming-2015/

New NCOER Coming In 2015

HRC is putting the final touches on a revised Noncommisioned Officer Evaluation Report, expect the new NCOER to appear in 2015.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Sep 28 at 2014 9:13 PM

SFC Mark Merino — Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:13:58 -0400

Could you post the form online so I can see what it looks like? What are the changes?

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 29 at 2014 1:06 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 29 Sep 2014 01:06:29 -0400

Some of the changes seem good like separate NCOER's for Sergeants, narratives for the Senior Rater section. What I think that needs to be changed is the requirement to add a bullet saying that the NCO supports a climate of dignity and SHARP, that should be on the values section, or are we going to add a bullet saying that the NCO supports EO, AER, ACS, Army Sponsorship, etc?

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 7 at 2014 1:58 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 07 Dec 2014 01:58:33 -0500

I just came back from NCODP with the 1st Army DIV WEST CSM, and the NCOER was one of the hot topics. I am resurrecting this thread to try and generate more opinions on it.

I am not sure that having a rating profile like the officers have, will be fair for smaller units. I am in a small support battalion. Many of the raters only have 1 or 2 NCO's. The new rules will make it hard to know when to give a "far exceeds" rating, especially if I have two outstanding NCOs.

My two rating periods are about 7 months apart. If no more then half of my ratings can be "far exceeds", and I give it to the NCO who is coming due in a few weeks, then the second NCO with a rating many months later is screwed, even if he does something that makes the first-rated NCO look like a dirt bag. Sure I could also rate that one "Far Exceeds" but then I can't do any more until I balance the exceeds ratings with middle of the road "exceeds" and "met standards".

Response by CSM Michael J. Uhlig made Dec 22 at 2014 5:21 PM

CSM Michael J. Uhlig — Mon, 22 Dec 2014 17:21:10 -0500

much needed change, great as a forcing function to actually "rack and stack" by rank/job instead of the continuous expectation of receiving an over-inflated report card......so many times we want to point fingers and say everyone (else) expects a trophy - but we forget we have a few fingers pointing at us when we say that.....this is a much needed change to get some honesty back into the system.

Response by 1LT Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 31 at 2014 11:08 PM

1LT Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:08:40 -0500

S1NET is posting the HRC generated briefs on the new NCOER and I highly recommend reviewing them.

I was digging through the OER briefs from a year or two ago introducing the new OER. Surprise, the new NCOER is entirely based off the same system. And I love it.

Looking at SGTs E-5 and saying "(senior) rater profiles don't matter here" is the honest solution to the problem of juggling percentages with the most diversely rated population ... whose NCOERs will be ignored unless they're horribly negative. The GO/NOGO is great for development.

The introduction of rater and senior rater profiles is awesome because it gives the DA a frame of reference.

I just really hope that this means that the EES will be used t enforce the use of the DA FORM 2166-8-1 for everyone. Informal surveys have shown me that barely 15% of NCOs E-5 through E-7 are counseled IAW the regulation.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jan 1 at 2015 7:48 AM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 07:48:17 -0500

I think we need to take a page out of the USMC method and go to one evaluation to be used across the board. Why are we evaluating NCOs on one form (standard) and Officers on another? Being a Soldier and a Leader shouldn't depend on rank. Now, if they want to keep the three levels (tactical, operational, strategic) fine, but make each level the same for NCOs and Officers...still one report for each level.

Response by COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM made Jan 1 at 2015 9:51 PM

COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM — Thu, 01 Jan 2015 21:51:46 -0500

New NCOER thoughts:
+ Nesting the NCOER with doctrine is a good thing.
+ Synching up the NCOER with the OER is not necesarily a bad thing. By itself this is not a reason to change the OER but when combined with the other reasons I think it is.
+/- Getting the NCOER into the cloud like is done with the new OER can be a good thing but there will be growing pains as individuals and leaders learn the new processing system. Makes NCOER processing easier once the new system and process are understood by all.
+ Forced distribution by rater and senior rater can be a good thing. The old OER used this system so as to balance the promotion system decision between the promotion board and the senior rater. The old old OER placed this responsibility mainly on the promotion board. Good Soldiers should want their senior rater rather than just a board to have input on the decision.
- There is no way to tell how the new NCOER theory will work in practice until we have at least two years of promotion boards under our collective belts.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Apr 25 at 2015 12:37 PM

CPT Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 25 Apr 2015 12:37:36 -0400

FY14's SFC board saw 97% of competing SSGs being rated as 1/1. I think the change is a large step in the right direction, and very much needed. However, I wish they would work the kinks out of EES before they launch it. The system still lags while only handling the officer population & HRC is taking forever to get some of the OERs through. I will say they executed very quickly with the FY15 Officer Board Candidates.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 20 at 2015 6:08 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Thu, 20 Aug 2015 06:08:37 -0400

I want to add to this discussion. Since the new NCOER is coming out because the board claims there a lot of fluffed up 1 1s out there which I agree with. Should all previous NCOERs no even be considered for the board then unless there are negitive remarks such a NO mark in army values or a disciplinary action stated in one of the bullets.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Nov 23 at 2015 11:08 AM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:08:06 -0500

This will enforce rating official accountability!
Will provide an assessment of different skills and competencies at different grades.
For the National Guard, it will force CDR/1SG to establish or make their Counseling Program better (Lord knows that counseling soldiers in the NG is lacking).
Plus it will show "rating tendencies" on those who like to rate everyone "super fabulous, I walk on water, jump towering buildings, and talk to small animals"!!! Now it will show history of rating!

Change management is always tough at first but eventually it will workout!