New NCOERs: Separate forms to measure 3 levels of performance

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Nov 2013 21:37:12 -0500

Plans for a new Noncommissioned Officer Evaluation Report call for several
innovations that are sharply different from the current rating system, including
three different NCOERs, according to Sergeant Major of the Army Raymond
Chandler. What do you think about this change? would it be more effective or not?

Response by SFC James Baber made Dec 16 at 2013 9:36 PM

SFC James Baber — Mon, 16 Dec 2013 21:36:28 -0500

I think it is going to create more headache than it is worth, the current system has had many flaws over the years, but it has also been quite effective for many moons. I feel that the new model will be very confusing on distinctiveness from the three variety's that will create the unforeseen problems that we all know occur with any new project or major change to a current in place system.

I am just glad that I don't have to attempt to muddle through the impending quagmire that will come forth with it.

Good luck and thanks for sharing. Trying to push this forward for you to get some more valid feedback from others that it will affect.

Response by SGM Matthew Quick made Dec 16 at 2013 10:00 PM

SGM Matthew Quick — Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:00:28 -0500

This change makes absolute sense.<br><br>NCOs work at different levels; tactical (SGT & SSG), organizational (SFC & MSG/1SG) and strategic (SGM/CSM), yet we are all evaluated in the same manner?<br><br>Kudos to the Army for making this (eventual) change!

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 16 at 2013 10:46 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 16 Dec 2013 22:46:49 -0500

I will have to reserve my opinion until I see a final product. I definitely believe there needs to be changes made to the current system, I'm just not sure creating three different reports to evaluate performance at different career stages is really the answer. I could see following a two tier system similar to our civilian rating system. I believe we also need to incorporate a formal rating system for our E-4 and below population. We have a requirement to conduct a formal evaluation on ALL our civilian employees, I believe it should be the same for our military personnel as well. I pasted a link to the story on this proposed changed below:

http://www.armytimes.com/article/20130819/CAREERS02/308190015/

Response by CSM Mike Maynard made Dec 18 at 2013 3:55 AM

CSM Mike Maynard — Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:55:59 -0500

As far as utilizing three different NCOERs based on scope of responsibilty and duty assignments, YES, having three different assessment/counseling tools would be extremely helpful.

The current NCOER is really focused on individual leadership at the tactical level. It is very difficult to capture accomplishments and effort at the organizational level.

At the organizational-level, it's hard to describe in a bullet what someone has accomplished. It's not about sheer numbers, it's about creating a climate, improving morale, achieving increased performance, etc. This is much easier captured in a narrative format.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 18 at 2013 5:50 AM

SSG Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 18 Dec 2013 05:50:55 -0500

I think it makes perfect sense, but as MSG Cunningham said "Briefs well." Until the Army actually implements it there's no telling how much sense and how effective it will actually be.