No cursing zone: For or against?

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:40:06 -0400

First of all I'm not a cursing sailor (paradox, no kidding). I've been to commands where virtually everyone around me cursed and it was EXTREMELY hard to keep it clean (working with Marines of course).

I've also been at commands where we have designated 'no cursing' zones, where you're 'fined' anywhere from quarter to a dollar every time you do.

Should we promote more profanity-free environments? Is foul language finally going out of style and becomes increasingly unprofessional? Traditions aside, answer objectively please

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2014 9:09 PM

LTC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:09:46 -0400

I have seen it happen where some have no swearing, but I have to admit at times it seems that some people just need to swear and let it out or they will hit something. Rather hear that than see violence within the unit.

However, it should not just be swearing only zone.

Response by MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca made Jul 11 at 2014 9:34 PM

MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:34:46 -0400

I'll let Kirk and Spock speak for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WTvEbUkeLM

Trekkie Lingo! ;-)

Cab driver: '- Hey, why don't ya watch where you're going, ya dumbass?!' Kirk: '- Well, uh, *double dumbass on you!*' (.....) Spock: '- Your use of language ...

Response by 2LT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2014 10:10 PM

2LT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:10:47 -0400

I cuss occasionally, but to be honest...it only makes yourself look ignorant. When someone uses curse words to get their point across and continually used curse words throughout a discussion, it discredits their ability to think critically and makes them seem ignorant. However, there are times when I was personally taught a lesson on the enlisted side when an NCO lit a fire under me, that if he would of spoke to me diplomatically, the point wouldn't of stuck. A good ass chewing never hurt anyone. Besides, cussing is fun! It all depends on the situation and who you are around.

Response by CMSgt James Nolan made Jul 11 at 2014 10:19 PM

CMSgt James Nolan — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 22:19:09 -0400

I was at a command, not going to mention where, but there was a no cussing jar just outside of my office. I politely explained to the commander and the secretary, that they could do whatever they wanted. If they thought for a moment that there was going to be no profane language coming from my office, they may want to either A, move or B find someone else to deal with the misfits. I was left alone and given latitude.

That being said, time and place. You need to be able to turn things on and off. There really is appropriate and not appropriate.

I tend to deviate back to old-school, tough love, not everybody gets a prize, I have a drawer full of hurt feelings reports, "just begin" leadership. But, mine is a profession of arms........and so are many of the rest of yours.

Sometimes, you have to put things into language that leaves no room for interpretation.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 11 at 2014 11:28 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:28:54 -0400

seems like the good idea fairy has been flying around lately kinda mind blowing that those places even exist i really don't see how that should be implemented unless in churches then i can see how that would work

Response by SSG Todd Halverson made Jul 11 at 2014 11:41 PM

SSG Todd Halverson — Fri, 11 Jul 2014 23:41:31 -0400

I also had a bad habit of cursing while at work and it did carry over to the house. At one of my duty stations, the 1SG made the office a no cursing area. If caught, your name was put on the board tracking how often you cursed in a 2 week period. On payday you had to pay .25 for every mark by your name. The money raised was used for unit / family functions.

Response by TSgt Scott Hurley made Jul 12 at 2014 12:08 AM

TSgt Scott Hurley — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 00:08:54 -0400

Ok, I am abstaining from voting since I am aircraft Maintenance, and I cursed big time. That includes all the aircraft maintenance career fields. Damn those f*in Crew Chief's!!!... LOL... But anyways I will let Godzilla handle this.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2014 2:42 AM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 02:42:11 -0400

Military Bearing:

(1) The element of outward appearance of a serviceman (clean and correctly arranged uniform, properly worn and adjusted equipment, manner of behavior in and out of formation) imparting a brisk military outward appearance to the individual and the entire detachment.

(2) A part of individual drill instruction with the purpose of inculcating the soldier with the habits of behavior in and out of formation and the ability to execute the drill manuals quickly and dexterously. This instruction also serves the purpose of developing in the soldiers unity, uniformity, and coordination during actions in motion, with arms, and in machines. The soldier’s bearing is achieved by a combination of drill, physical training, and sports.

Response by PO1 Keith Goodsell made Jul 12 at 2014 4:28 AM

PO1 Keith Goodsell — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 04:28:45 -0400

Cursing is not needed. It is not professional. Some think that they need to curse to reprimand someone. Not so, some of the most memorable situations where someone was reprimand were when there was not any cursing.

Response by SSG Joshua Locke made Jul 12 at 2014 7:21 AM

SSG Joshua Locke — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 07:21:10 -0400

There are already stipulations on what we can wear, what we can tattoo, what we have to ride on motorcycles, how we have to look, hair cuts, shaving..... every aspect of our lives are outlined by an AR of FM.... Now it is suggested that we are to be told how to speak. No thank you...

Response by WO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2014 9:46 AM

WO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:46:16 -0400

At first I say "ehh who cares, let em curse". Then I see the youngsters running around which makes me second guess that.

Response by SgtMaj Michael Lillie made Jul 12 at 2014 11:43 AM

SgtMaj Michael Lillie — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:43:10 -0400

Your survey is skewed. What if neither are a good idea? What if I believe that speech should not be governed?

Response by COL Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2014 11:46 AM

COL Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:46:23 -0400

MAJ Ballinger summed it up nicely. I have been tactical almost my whole career. I use profanity more than I should, but I do my best to use it where it adds emphasis to what I am trying to get across. Frankly, my Troopers can relate. Trying to remove words from someone's lexicon of knowledge is impossible. You can beat it out of them, but it comes back. It's silly and a waste of time...and it makes me question the term offensive. Why would we need to do so? Because it offends the sensibilities of someone so righteous that they can't be assaulted by words? They think they are better and shouldn't have to put up with vulgarity around them? Ladies and gentlemen, I submit that we KILL PEOPLE for a living. That's a little bit more offensive than an F-bomb every now and then. The juxtaposition of that fact versus being offended by swearing is laughable.

Response by SgtMaj Michael Lillie made Jul 12 at 2014 1:56 PM

SgtMaj Michael Lillie — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 13:56:05 -0400

Seems reminiscent of the Governments recent "1st Amendment zones".

No thank you. Bad idea.

Response by SgtMaj Michael Lillie made Jul 12 at 2014 2:20 PM

SgtMaj Michael Lillie — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:20:20 -0400

There are books written about the other govt organization who choose to stifle other peoples ideas, words, and thoughts.

Response by 1SG James Wise made Jul 12 at 2014 3:31 PM

1SG James Wise — Sat, 12 Jul 2014 15:31:35 -0400

My real issue with cursing is time, place, and situation. Drills dealing with recruits I get, out in the field fighting a tent or something else I get...Soldiers standing in groups in the PX around kids cursing worse then any Drill SGT I can do without.

I forgot how bad that last example is for the 8 years I wasn't on a TRADOC base...now that I am again I remember how bad it was in early 2000 at Redstone and now the same thing years later at FLW. I cringe every time I need to take my family to the PX or the food court, cause I know a group of young Soldiers in training will swear horribly and don't care who is nearby while they are talking about their significant others or issues with whatever in the nastiest language that might make even a rapper blush. You can identify yourself, correct them, and they will stop...but it only lasts till the NEXT group wanders in while there is no DS in sight.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2014 12:04 PM

MSG Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:04:47 -0400

Ok I've dropped four letter words before at work. If I do I apologize simple as that. Yes I think we should be careful in what we say and know some folks really don't like it. Accidents occur, apologize and move on. If the group collectively wants a swear jar so be it...but no one should be forced into spending their money like that.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 13 at 2014 12:06 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 13 Jul 2014 12:06:28 -0400

Our missile maintenance thing is "if you ain't maintenance, you ain't sh--. And every officer n every enlisted airman screams this so I don't think swearing is all of a big deal....but if u have to go to the commanders office BC u f'ed up....not a good idea to swear

Response by PO1 James Friedman made Jul 13 at 2014 4:09 PM

PO1 James Friedman — Sun, 13 Jul 2014 16:09:24 -0400

There is a time and a placed for everything.

Response by Sgt S.P. Woodke made Jul 14 at 2014 12:27 PM

Sgt S.P. Woodke — Mon, 14 Jul 2014 12:27:10 -0400

THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS - professionals who are trained to kill...WARRIORS...

P.C. does NOT belong on...near or around the Military...I personally don't curse BUT who in the WORLD do you think you are to try and invade our space....?

FEMINIZING THE MILITARY will WEAKEN our MILITARY...STAY OUT!

Response by SGT Thomas Sullivan made Jul 14 at 2014 2:10 PM

SGT Thomas Sullivan — Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:10:38 -0400

In the words of one of our greatest military leaders, General Patton:

"When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight it's way out of a piss-soaked paper bag."

"As for the types of comments I make", he continued with a wry smile, "Sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence."

Response by SGT Marvin "Dave" Bigham made Jul 14 at 2014 2:52 PM

SGT Marvin "Dave" Bigham — Mon, 14 Jul 2014 14:52:56 -0400

Good thoughts, but you're talking human nature. Those who what to be seen as professional (or polite in mixed company) automatically curb their verbiage. Sometimes I had soldiers (or civilian employees nowadays) that just don't understand how important an item is without cursing at (or with) them. The zones help them to sharpen their professional/personable skills and I think it's a good practice. HOWEVER, not cursing is a courtesy, like asking my Hispanic staff to not speak in Spanish around non-Hispanic employees and customers. We shouldn't penalize someone for their nature. Simply remind them of the rules in the area or make them leave. Seniors need to be responsible for developing their peers and juniors SMs so each may reach their potential for the service of the US. (Granted, some may be VERY limited in potential growth) ;)

Response by SGM Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2014 12:44 AM

SGM Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Jul 2014 00:44:52 -0400

PO 1 DRONZIN
Good thread, interesting to read all of the discussion it generated and it’s good to see GEN Patton’s quotes made it in the thread. During our on-going transition of a nation at war we will of course become more PC so emphasis will be placed on “toning down” our language. I myself curse, not constantly, although I do have my moments. That’s why I wear my “Stupidity Induced Tourette’s Syndrome” Red Medical alert ID tag. It has saved my ass a time or two. Take care and best of luck to you.

Response by SPC Christopher Smith made Jul 15 at 2014 2:51 PM

SPC Christopher Smith — Tue, 15 Jul 2014 14:51:49 -0400

If foul language is that much of an issue this type of field might be the wrong place to be (in the enlisted side anyway). Most of the people coming on enlisted are somewhat educated and their vocabulary is not always extensive. When they are surrounded by their peers they will speak in a fashion that their peers will understand and accept. Don't like foul language get out, or commission. Jmo.

Response by PO3 John Jeter made Jul 15 at 2014 4:04 PM

PO3 John Jeter — Tue, 15 Jul 2014 16:04:34 -0400

First night in boot camp, PO1 comes in, stands in the middle of the barracks. Asks in a LOUD voice, "If there is there anyone here who has a moral or personal objection to profane language, take one step forward!" 3 (brave?) men stepped forward. PO1 had them each state their objection. 2 just didn't like cursing, the third was a lay preacher. After they finished they were instructed to step back. Again, in a LOUD voice, "I've just heard 3 valid reasons not to use profane language. My response is this......TOO &*&*%$%$*&(*&(_)*_(&(*&*^%(*&_)(*)(&&%#@$$^& BAD! YOU'RE IN THE NAVY NOW!" He then turned around and walked out, leaving us to wonder what the hell just happened......

Response by PO1 Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 15 at 2014 6:11 PM

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:11:29 -0400

You know, theres a common theme I sense from all the comments. There's a time and place for everything; (1) a time to watch your language (in front of children) (2) a time to actively engage one's descriptive process and describe in vivid detail as to the miscreants errors (3) use effective language to vent in an area that has others that will understand without explanation (4) encourage someone to do something other that what they are currently.

Cursing (cussing) is a fact. Sometimes, in my humble opinion, we should use different words - cuz folks, the F-bomb gets real old. Take a challenge like I did!

Once, when I was very unsalty, I made a teeny-weeny, very, very miniscule error in judgement. What I did is completely irrelevant. What was extremely relevant was the ass-chewing I received. The 2 star gentleman chewed me out and used descriptive words that amazed me - even to this day. I understood every word in 5 of the 7 languages he cussed me out in.... I later found out that in the other 2 languages he achieved the same effect. But the man never repeated himself - never - not once in any of the 7 languages he used. His grasp of those languages and the necessary inflection required to ensure the message got across to me impressed me more than the threat to provide a general court-martial and send me to Levenworth.

So...my challenge? Learn to curse someone well and effectively in multiple languages. However, I don't recommend Farsi as your first language of choice ... unless you think you might have weeks to complete your first "other language cuss-out".... Ask any Farsi linguist how to say: "stop hitting me with your rifle!"....grab a cup of coffee and turn on the recorder, it'll be a long day.

Response by SrA Joe Henderson made Jul 15 at 2014 6:34 PM

SrA Joe Henderson — Tue, 15 Jul 2014 18:34:24 -0400

Where I understand the attempt or reasoning around no cursing but the military breeds a culture that cursing is a great way for them to express themselves.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 16 at 2014 1:37 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 16 Jul 2014 13:37:13 -0400

You cannot regulate morality. Nevermind the fact that it infringes on my right to free speech. If I do not threaten anyone with my cursing than you may not stop me from cursing. HOWEVER... I was raised to be respectful of others. My mother in law is a devout Christian woman and I do not curse in front of her. I say that considerate people would not curse in front of those that it offends and you force someone to be considerate through regulation.

Response by Capt Jeff S. made Aug 10 at 2014 10:08 PM

Capt Jeff S. — Sun, 10 Aug 2014 22:08:52 -0400

You aren't going to stop folks from cursing. Personally, I'm not big on it but it has its place.

General George S. Patton said, "When I want my men to remember something important, to really make it stick, I give it to them double dirty. It may not sound nice to some bunch of little old ladies at an afternoon tea party, but it helps my soldiers to remember. You can't run an army without profanity; and it has to be eloquent profanity. An army without profanity couldn't fight its way out of a piss-soaked paper bag. ... As for the types of comments I make, sometimes I just, By God, get carried away with my own eloquence."

Response by SFC Michael Hasbun made Aug 10 at 2014 10:16 PM

SFC Michael Hasbun — Sun, 10 Aug 2014 22:16:40 -0400

I love the occasional profanity of course, but seeing as how cursing is a violation of the UCMJ ( Article 134, Indecent Language), do we really have any choice but to attempt to curb it?

Response by SSG Daniel Rosploch made Aug 10 at 2014 11:14 PM

SSG Daniel Rosploch — Sun, 10 Aug 2014 23:14:51 -0400

We are in the business of killing bad guys. If swear words are offensive to you, how are you going to deal with a real, full-blown shooting war?! Toughen up or find a different job.

Response by Sgt S.P. Woodke made Aug 11 at 2014 2:55 PM

Sgt S.P. Woodke — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 14:55:52 -0400

NOTE: If one doesn't want the chilluns cursing ...don't curse around them...but...we are machine - designed to kill...we're part of an elite fighting force...not the boy or girl scouts.

Response by SGT Chris Birkinbine made Aug 11 at 2014 3:02 PM

SGT Chris Birkinbine — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:02:24 -0400

I think over the past 30-40 years the military has tried too much to model itself after Corporate America.

When you are doing physical labor of any sort, no matter how educated or sophisticated you are, or how big your vocabulary is, sometimes there is no better substitute than an F bomb for how you feel.

That doesn't mean that people should not attempt to behave themselves in a professional manor when needed, and THAT I think is a separate issue.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2014 3:35 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 15:35:28 -0400

Time and place. Drop a bottle jack on your foot in the motorpool, let one fly. Squaring away your ERB in the S-1 shop, keep it civilized. Get hung up in C-wire in the field, let one fly. Drinking a beer with your buddies at the Red Lobster, keep it civilized.

Other than the reg already on the books, do we need to do more than just apply some common sense? Swearing is a part of our culture that we can police up on our own to maintain professionalism and the perception of professionalism with the public.

Response by SGT Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 11 at 2014 5:46 PM

SGT Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 11 Aug 2014 17:46:47 -0400

I'd try my dam...er, dangdest...but *sigh*. I feel I'd be court-martialed.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2014 12:03 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 00:03:02 -0400

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with using a little, keyword 'little' profanity here and there in the workplace. I don't think it's appropriate to curse often or in every sentence because someone will soak it in and believe they can do the same. I've never cursed around my superiors, cursed at someone, or use those words to prove a point because I don't see that as being appropriate. But all in all, we're in the military. We fight wars and we could potentially have to take another's life in defense of our nation. With that being said, it's just not really a big deal to me or something that needs to be strictly enforced.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 12 at 2014 9:03 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 21:03:12 -0400

A wise man once told me: "Profanity is the strongest way to express the weakest mind."

Most Sailors are guilty of cursing at some point or another (to one degree or another) and I'm probably one of the biggest offenders. However, I've consciously tried to tone it down because let's face it: It's not professional and really adds nothing to the conversation other than vulgarity.

I'd support a no-cursing zone. You'd probably drum up enough money in a month to buy a 40-foot schooner for the next MWR outing on the lake. :)

Response by PO1 Michael G. made Aug 12 at 2014 10:12 PM

PO1 Michael G. — Tue, 12 Aug 2014 22:12:51 -0400

In my short time in the Navy, I have come in contact with two types of Sailors who curse: the one who does all the time, and the one who only does so for emphasis when they get angry or irritated.

In the first case, gratuitous cursing seems like the speaker is trying to make themselves appear "tougher," which is ridiculous, as it then makes cursing irrelevant.

In the second case, when a Sailor loses his temper and yells and curses, it has been my experience (in my civilian life I was in management for six years) that the message is lost, as the people being cursed at don't hear the message, but rather just the emotion that is apparent when the speaker curses at them

All in all, non cursing makes for a more professional environment.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 13 at 2014 3:48 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 15:48:20 -0400

One word: Unconstitutional

Response by Cpl Christopher Allen-Shinn made Aug 13 at 2014 6:19 PM

Cpl Christopher Allen-Shinn — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:19:42 -0400

As a former Marine NCO, I'm fluent in curse words. As a highly educated guy, I've developed an impressive vocabulary beyond cursing, so I tend to swear only when I'm hurt or angry (moments of personal weakness). As a present Navy civilian, I respect those trying to establish an appropriately professional environment, but suggest that "no cursing" zones are lame and ineffective. Make your case against cursing by modeling good leadership, not with ignorant bureaucratic rules. Shout out to 1LT Yandy Leyva for his statement about developing a better vocabulary.

Response by SGT Suraj Dave made Aug 13 at 2014 6:22 PM

SGT Suraj Dave — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:22:17 -0400

That's ridiculous. Cursing is a part of military culture. I personally think its people who make policies like this that weaken our Army.

Response by 1LT Nick Kidwell made Aug 13 at 2014 6:40 PM

1LT Nick Kidwell — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:40:48 -0400

I don't curse, and I haven't cursed since I was BOG in Iraq in 2005, but you cannot legislate someone else's personal morality.

Response by SGT Richard H. made Aug 13 at 2014 11:17 PM

SGT Richard H. — Wed, 13 Aug 2014 23:17:01 -0400

Against.....First amendment...support and defend.....

Response by SGT Aaron Barbee made Aug 14 at 2014 12:46 AM

SGT Aaron Barbee — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 00:46:39 -0400

Although I'm not averse to profanity, I do find in a professional or intellectual setting it tends to be detrimental to progress.

Response by SSG Pete Fleming made Aug 14 at 2014 1:22 AM

SSG Pete Fleming — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 01:22:39 -0400

There are so many words in the English language to choose from why curse? But then why are some words considered bad and others not... (shit vs poop for example). I choose to limit my cursing but like anyone there are those times...

Response by PFC Zanie Young made Aug 14 at 2014 7:32 AM

PFC Zanie Young — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 07:32:40 -0400

What happened to freedom of speech? If I had a dollar for every time I cursed, I'd be broke! (Of course, I try not to do it now, since I became a Mormon.) Seriously, though, I think they shouldn't exist unless you are around the CIC. Anywhere else, we need to keep that among ourselves...

Response by SGT Richard H. made Aug 14 at 2014 8:04 AM

SGT Richard H. — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 08:04:33 -0400

PC has gotten out of hand. My nephew was an Infantry soldier in the 82nd, starting about 15 years after I got out and in conversation once, he mentioned that they are no longer allowed to use the term "double tap", and now had to rephrase it to "confirmatory shot" because apparently "double tap" sounds to brusque to the public.

Can you hear my eyes rolling?

Response by CW2 Jonathan Kantor made Aug 14 at 2014 10:49 AM

CW2 Jonathan Kantor — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 10:49:12 -0400

I tend to use 'curse words' as filler words when I can't think of a word I am trying to think of. This basically means that I curse all the time. It's easier on here to not use 'profanity' because I can take as much time as I need to write something down.

I understand that we aren't supposed to use such language in the Army and that it isn't considered professional, but I don't really care or agree. I don't really consider anything profane when it comes to speech. I am more of a say what you want sort of person. When someone says "Effin-A" around me or something similar, it really annoys me. If you mean to use the word fuck, use it. It's a great word and can be used for almost anything. I yell at my Soldiers when they say"Eff." That's not a fucking word. See what I mean? It's a great word :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4XLKAAZszY

Anyways, use the language that best suits the situation and know that your speech distinguishes who you are. If people think you are profane, they will treat you as such. Probably not best to use it in a briefing, but when you are chatting with your peers, we all do it. Zone or no-zone, we will all use whatever language we are accustomed to using. For me, it's what most consider profane. Enjoy the video :)

Response by SFC Walter Mack made Aug 14 at 2014 8:50 PM

SFC Walter Mack — Thu, 14 Aug 2014 20:50:04 -0400

If you are in an Infantry Battalion, and Soldiers or Marines are cursing like Sailors, then so be it. It's appropriate for the environment.

If you work in a hospital, you should develop a more refined vocabulary. It's a simple matter of understanding your environment.

I work in an MOS where many of our Soldiers retrained from combat arms MOSs. Sometimes a few of us can slip back into bad habits, but you can't perform patient care while dropping F-bombs and telling the patient about their mother's unscrupulous past.

Response by Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2014 9:27 AM

Lt Col Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Aug 2014 09:27:43 -0400

Let those curses fly. We are already killing people for a living, does a few choice words really make you squeamish?

Response by Capt Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 18 at 2014 10:11 AM

Capt Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 18 Aug 2014 10:11:37 -0400

As a very junior officer I was once told that profanity detracts from credibility and professionalism. I agree to some extent such as when you are belligerent for the sake of being belligerent, however, there is a time and a place for everything. I swear, though only sparingly in certain situations. Because I do not overuse profanity these stronger words have more impact and meaning when I do curse.

Response by LCDR Doug Nordman made Aug 19 at 2014 10:57 PM

LCDR Doug Nordman — Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:57:03 -0400

I find that dropping an occasional f-bomb into a conversational setting captures everyone's attention and sets a much more lively tone for the subsequent discourse.

Especially when your CO has to follow your last statement with the clarification: "My apologies, Admiral, what I'm sure LCDR Nordman meant to say was that this is an exceptionally controversial program with a few growing pains"...

EDIT: Only on Rally Point could you get an extra 10 points for cursing!

Response by SSgt Gregory Guina made Aug 22 at 2014 4:44 PM

SSgt Gregory Guina — Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:44:32 -0400

I am against no cursing zones not so much because I want to curse me @$$ off but because I feel that we should be able to conduct ourselves professionally and know when and where cursing is appropriate (not that if really is)

Response by Cpl Peter Martuneac made Aug 22 at 2014 5:29 PM

Cpl Peter Martuneac — Fri, 22 Aug 2014 17:29:41 -0400

Pretty sure we've got bigger fish to fry than uncouth language. Besides, we're warriors. We kill people who we've never met before to collect a salary. There is nothing professional or humane about that, and we need to start accepting that. This idea that warriors need to be good-looking, clean-as-a-whistle boy scouts is really getting out of hand.

Response by SFC Private RallyPoint Member made Aug 22 at 2014 11:55 PM

SFC Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 22 Aug 2014 23:55:43 -0400

I was in a company that had ONE swear jar, in the security office. The main security supervisor was religious, and did not want to hear profanity or vulgarity. I am not religious, a natural antagonist, and I believe in balance. So in the training office (where I was the supervisor) I implemented a 2 profanity minimum.

It was NOT well received.

Granted, I was younger then and the WHOLE reason I was doing it was to push the buttons of the Security Supervisor, not because I didn't like the person (we remain good friends to this day), but because it was HILARIOUS to watch her seethe over it.

Though there was a great deal of satisfaction in having the 1SG come into the office, scream two profane words at the top of his lungs, thank us, then walk out.

Response by SPC Stephen Bobchin made Aug 25 at 2014 3:57 PM

SPC Stephen Bobchin — Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:57:51 -0400

Only place I could legitimately justify it is in a clinic, if you are seeing dependents. Otherwise, if they can't handle swearing on a day to day basis, how are they expected to handle the massive swearing that comes with combat?

Response by Sgt Randy Novak made Sep 13 at 2014 2:27 PM

Sgt Randy Novak — Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:27:30 -0400

Isn't there more important S#!t to worry about. You are in the military. If you are too sensitive to hear some vulgarity you are to sensitive to take somebody's life therefore too weak to serve our nation. I know that sounds a little harsh. But I have watched the neutering of the Marine Corps since 1998 and the lack of quality and lack of anything that what makes Marines who we are.

Response by CPO Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 14 at 2014 1:44 PM

CPO Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:44:07 -0400

In a professional environment no. With friends, then whatever.

Response by SFC Mark Merino made Sep 15 at 2014 2:53 AM

SFC Mark Merino — Mon, 15 Sep 2014 02:53:00 -0400

Keep it professional. No cursing required, but the world won't crack in half it the bombs drop on occasion. Somewhere between Brady Bunch and Patton is ok with me.

Response by SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 15 at 2014 3:02 AM

SFC(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Mon, 15 Sep 2014 03:02:49 -0400

I know that most Army installations that I've been too, have signs that say that they are "Family Friendly" and that no profanity is allowed, with that being said I have still seen service members being profane in those areas. I curse....a lot, probably more than I should, but more times than not, I am using profanity as a filler for other words, and I don't use it in a professional environment, I also will use a lot of profanity when I am angry or if one my soldiers does something asinine. But I try to curb my profanity, since it is not always professional. This is the military, and if I have a soldier kill another human being, or be the cause of another human beings demise, then I think that that SM can handle a little bit of my profanity.

Response by Cpl Murray Estes made Sep 15 at 2014 3:05 AM

Cpl Murray Estes — Mon, 15 Sep 2014 03:05:35 -0400

My view on "no cursing zones" stems from my view on offending people in general. I believe it to be ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY (yep, that's right. Necessary. Required. Must happen.) to offend people from time to time. This is to remind people that their POV of the world is not absolute, not universal. That other, potentially controversial views exist and have a valid place in society. Profanity is offensive, therefore it should not be restricted except... There is a time and a place for everything. When professionalism absolutely matters, then the profanity should be kept to a minimum. When it's not so important, then let it fly.

Response by SSG Maurice P. made Oct 8 at 2014 5:06 PM

SSG Maurice P. — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 17:06:46 -0400

what is the military coming too no cussing are you serious!!!i really understand alot that has been changed over the years some for the total good but cussing damn i'm glad im retired hehehehehehe

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 8 at 2014 7:17 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Wed, 08 Oct 2014 19:17:07 -0400

It's offensive to some (many?), so it should stop.

Response by CW5 Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2014 9:27 PM

CW5 Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:27:09 -0500

I think this is (still) a good discussion topic. While I understand the use of cursing to get a point across, I've seen it over-used to the point that it's almost comical. Somewhere in between is where I'd vote. I do my best not to use it myself, but I understand when it's used for emphasis.

That said, in the company of civilians - and especially ladies - cursing should be strictly verboten. I had to correct a couple young troops who were F'ing this and F'ing that in earshot of my elderly aunt and mother at the PX food court one day a long time ago. That's uncalled for.

Response by SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS made Dec 19 at 2014 9:35 PM

SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:35:30 -0500

PO1 Private RallyPoint Member Great question. While I selected [bleep] no cursing zones, I would say you must respect others. I am an avid practitioner of the art of colorful metaphors. Yep, you got it, I cuss. But, I work with an individual who does not like cussing at all, when I am near him, I don't cuss.

No your environment, no the people around you, and when in doubt, think it, but don't say it.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 19 at 2014 9:46 PM

SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 21:46:11 -0500

This psychology article states people that curse are more honest, genuine, and upfront. I'll take someone that swears over someone that does not anyday, mostly because I know I will slip. I am still a drilling reservist, and a civilian chiropractor, I come home from drill cursing like a Sailor, so my wife says....anyways I am waiting for the day when I greet a patient, "How the hell are you doing Mrs Smith, what the ***k brings you in today?" I actually think I may do this someday...and I hope when and if I do, they also served in the military, and we can all have a good laugh.

Read the Psych article though...seriously, it makes sense. However, let me ask you this, When everyone is swearing, and you have the only Mormon in the Marine Corps in your squad, and he is not swearing, doesn't he make you uncomfortable? Nothing against Mormons, I have a brother that is a Mormon...best people ever. What is a healthy balance? When I call my buddies from the Corps, every other word is an Eff bomb, afterwards...I'm like how am I ever going to quit swearing?

http://www.psych2go.net/people-swear-lot-tend-honest-loyal-upfront-friends/

Response by SPC Donald Moore made Dec 19 at 2014 10:33 PM

SPC Donald Moore — Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:33:29 -0500

In the civilian workplace it is best to eliminate cursing as much as possible or more.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 20 at 2014 5:08 PM

1SG Private RallyPoint Member — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:08:22 -0500

Having read the WOCS SOP from Ft Rucker, I know that they try to mitigate student cursing by penalizing the candidates with demerits for public cursing. I also believe that other TRADOC situations/organizations are more likely areas to reduce or nearly eliminate cursing. I have noticed that the amount of cursing done at NCOES seems to be much less then back at the unit. It's all about your f'n attitude.

Response by SPC James Mcneil made Dec 20 at 2014 5:24 PM

SPC James Mcneil — Sat, 20 Dec 2014 17:24:07 -0500

I remember having a curse jar in the office when I worked with the commander. Each curse was a quarter. One day, the commander walked in, dropped a $10 bill in the jar and said, "That may cover it."

Holy. Crap. Just sayin...

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Dec 26 at 2014 11:49 PM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:49:58 -0500

I support no cussing zones and as Leader, I enforce the standards. Here is an example, I walk by a group of Soldiers I at the PX who were cursing up a storm. I could not just walk by and say nothing so I stopped and told them the PX is a family zone and they should stop using profanity before the wrong person hears them.

Response by CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member made Dec 26 at 2014 11:51 PM

CH (CPT) Private RallyPoint Member — Fri, 26 Dec 2014 23:51:34 -0500

Well,

I'm a not-cusser. It really doesn't bother me in the day to day activities in the Army. Most Soldiers do.

I don't for personal reasons, but I also feel like chaplains shouldn't for religious/moral/leadership reasons.

I think that most people should be more self-conscious about how they speak--especially in the presence of women and children. While swearing can be an effective way to communicate, it's usually substituted for other better words needlessly used.

I will never point out someone else's language and call them on it, but they usually self-check in the presence of the chaplain. Lol.

Response by SMSgt Judy Hickman made Dec 27 at 2014 12:14 AM

SMSgt Judy Hickman — Sat, 27 Dec 2014 00:14:17 -0500

I've never worked in a no cursing zone and I personally would scoff at the idea if it was introduced. There is a time and a place for cursing and If you can't figure it out on your own, then I guess the adults will have to counsel you so you can figure it out.

What ever happened to thinking on your own, do we have to spell everything out for people?

Response by SSG James Doherty made May 31 at 2015 11:48 PM

SSG James Doherty — Sun, 31 May 2015 23:48:51 -0400

Article 134 of the UCMJ defines profanity as prohibited. Problem is what's profane to you isn't profane to me. I have been more offended by someone saying "bless you" or the like than by someone saying "F- you" because of the tone and intention behind the statement.

Response by PO1 G. Leslie /Stiltner made Jul 29 at 2015 11:04 PM

PO1 G. Leslie /Stiltner — Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:04:51 -0400

Well when the term comes up She Cusses like a sailor I must say I fit the description to the T!! However way back in the mid 80's on my first deployment I had a Sr Chief that was trying to clean up my act!! He implemented a swear jar and every time I swore I had to put a quarter in the jar. It became a joke as I would go to maintenance meetings and others would know just what buttons to push to get me going on rampage and sometimes it cost me several Dollars!! Now I work in Customer Service, I am much better with age!!