Now we are heading into a mini-ice age. How trustworthy do you find this reporting?

LTC John Shaw — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 08:30:29 -0400

Sun your not so hot! How much credibility do you put into climate science?
Great article with a video by NASA explaining the sun cycle.

Is a mini ICE AGE coming? Scientists warn the sun will 'sleep' in 2020

The rare phenomenon will lead to a phenomenon known as the 'Maunder minimum' - which has previously been known as a mini ice age when it hit between 1646 and 1715.

Response by Capt Seid Waddell made Jul 12 at 2015 8:34 AM

Capt Seid Waddell — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 08:34:44 -0400

This is the most credible information we have today. The solar cycles appear to be driven by the tidal forces the planets exert on the sun, producing complex but predictable effects on solar output.

Experiments done at CERN have shown that high-energy ionizing galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) seed cloud formation in earth's lower atmosphere, and this low cloud cover reflects more solar energy than it traps, resulting in a net cooling of the atmosphere.

The solar cycles moderate the amount of these cosmic rays that can penetrate to our atmosphere.

The greater the solar output the greater shielding from these GCRs and the fewer penetrate to our lower atmosphere, which leads to diminished cloud cover and increased global warming.

When the solar output is at a minimum more GCRs penetrate to our lower atmosphere which results in greater cloud cover and a cooling of the atmosphere.

We are coming into a period of lower solar output and can expect global cooling as a result.

Atmospheric CO2 has minimal effect on the climate at current levels; the CO2 levels have continued their steady rise while the climate has steadied and then cooled over the past 17 years.

Response by SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. made Jul 12 at 2015 8:47 AM

SPC Jan Allbright, M.Sc., R.S. — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 08:47:14 -0400

Bah! Humbug!

https://www.skepticalscience.com/solar-cycles-global-warming.htm

Do solar cycles cause global warming?

A full reading of Tung 2008 finds a distinct 11 year solar signal in the global temperature record. However, this 11 year cycle is superimposed over the long term global warming trend. In fact, the authors go on to estimate climate sensitivity from their findings, calculate a value between 2.3 to 4.1C. This confirms the IPCC estimate of climate sensitivity.

Response by SFC William Swartz Jr made Jul 12 at 2015 9:30 AM

SFC William Swartz Jr — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 09:30:12 -0400

Been hearing all kinds of climate change crap since I was a kid in the '70s; gonna be a new Ice Age, gonna be flooded by such and such year.....the Earth's climate continues to go through various cycles at various times and our so called expert climatologists can never seem to get it right.....

Response by SFC Joseph Weber made Jul 12 at 2015 9:48 AM

SFC Joseph Weber — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 09:48:53 -0400

I won't worry until a reputable publication such as the National Enquirer reports on this.

Response by SFC Everett Oliver made Jul 12 at 2015 10:51 AM

SFC Everett Oliver — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:51:10 -0400

Who knows anymore, everyone has a chart or proof that they are right. I know it's still snows in the winter and I need my air on in the summer. I know that if I have a parade it will not rain, Other than that, I could care less anymore....Simply heard too much from all sides...

Response by LCpl Mark Lefler made Jul 12 at 2015 10:58 AM

LCpl Mark Lefler — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 10:58:25 -0400

I'm still on the global warming side, I think the proof of all the glacier melting at level not seen in modern times as an issue to watch.

Response by LTC Stephen C. made Jul 12 at 2015 11:31 AM

LTC Stephen C. — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 11:31:38 -0400

Another opportunity for you to enlighten us, SSgt Private RallyPoint Member!

Response by SSG (ret) William Martin made Jul 12 at 2015 11:34 AM

SSG (ret) William Martin — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 11:34:17 -0400

I won't believe anything until the deomocrats say we have to believe this or we don't get to eat.

Response by CPT Jack Durish made Jul 12 at 2015 12:07 PM

CPT Jack Durish — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:07:35 -0400

Weather and climate is the result of a complex and fluid interaction of innumerable factors, far more than we realize, far, far more than we build into our computer models. This explains why the computer models that "experts" have been using to predict climatic change have universally failed. For example, remember how we were told that polar ice was going to disappear by 1990? Watch the boys from the Top Gear show transit polar ice from Canada to the North Pole. According to the experts they should have drowned...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNkvASxfEWQ

Polar Special Part 1 - Top Gear - BBC

Part one of three. In one of their most ambitious challenges, Jeremy, James and Richard attempt to race from Northern Canada to the North Pole, a 450-mile jo...

Response by Cpl Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2015 12:09 PM

Cpl Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 12:09:25 -0400

Imagine that, solar activity affects climate change as well as volcanoes here on earth. And here we've been indoctrinated to believe man-kind evil causing climate change and because man-kind evil, you must pay a carbon tax.

http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-volcanoes-climate-history-20150710-story.html

Ice cores yield history of volcanic eruptions, climate effects

A new method of analyzing ice cores has allowed scientists to more precisely determine when volcanic eruptions occurred on Earth over the last 2,500 years.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 12 at 2015 1:58 PM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 13:58:26 -0400

Liberals have talking points. We have questions.... but, liberals suck at thinking..
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Following up on his brilliant earlier work “The Black Swan”, Taleb has written a paper called Error, Dimensionality, and Predictability (draft version). I could not even begin to do justice to this tour-de-force, so let me just quote the abstract and encourage you to read the paper.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/11/nassim-taleb-strikes-again/

Nassim Taleb Strikes Again

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach Following up on his brilliant earlier work "The Black Swan", Taleb has written a paper called Error, Dimensionality, and Predictability(draft version). I could not ...

Response by CPT Alan W. made Jul 12 at 2015 2:48 PM

CPT Alan W. — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 14:48:29 -0400

I live in a ski resort that used to average 25 feet of snowfall a year. During the last five years we have averaged around 2 feet. I hope this mini-ice age will last for the next 30 years, because after that, I won't care.

Response by MAJ Ken Landgren made Jul 12 at 2015 3:18 PM

MAJ Ken Landgren — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 15:18:04 -0400

One that I can sneak past my wife.

Response by SGT Matthew Ellis made Jul 12 at 2015 9:58 PM

SGT Matthew Ellis — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 21:58:46 -0400

Climate change has been so over simplified that most people understand it incorrectly. Global warming isn't a thing caused by us. We are still coming off of the last ice age, hence it getting warmer. However, our carbon imprint has increased the rate at which it is getting warmer. This is problematic for many reasons, but here is the simplest. We are in a cyclic system. Back and forth between ice ages. Species adjust to the change in climate, but only if the transition is slow enough. By increasing the speed of that cycle we removed the ability for species to adjust. Once we speed up the cycle, we lack a mechanism to slow it back down, so it is permanent.

Response by CSM Charles Hayden made Jul 12 at 2015 10:04 PM

CSM Charles Hayden — Sun, 12 Jul 2015 22:04:42 -0400

LTC John G. Shaw, Living in a CA beach city concerned w/ preventing rising water levels from inundating multi-million dollar homes, I worry how my property tax will be affected. Global warming=rising sea water levels!

Response by PVT Robert Gresham made Jul 13 at 2015 1:07 AM

PVT Robert Gresham — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 01:07:44 -0400

I live in Alaska, and this has been, on average, one of the hottest summers in the last 100 years. Now, does that mean we are in for a Winter with of a couple of weeks of 60 below weather? Probably, and just in case, we are stocking up on heating oil !!

The point of all this is that we have seen glaciers here that have not thawed for many hundreds of years melting away now. The Earth's oceans are higher than ever before and the polar caps are getting smaller.
But don't run off in a panic. It's all happened before, and it will all happen again, even if we aren't around to see it.

Response by SPC George Rudenko made Jul 13 at 2015 11:44 PM

SPC George Rudenko — Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:44:55 -0400

Putting my science hat on, this is on point. We have great solar observations AND great climate records that have been correlated. Now, for the BUT. This is not taking into account global warming. And keep in mind, we are talking difference in single degrees, which for some areas will cause more snow and ice. The eggheads put men on the moon. Sometimes, it's good to listen to them.

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 6:14 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 06:14:42 -0400

V. Troueta, , , J.D. Scourseb, , C.C. Raiblec, d,
a Laboratory for Tree-Ring Research, University of Arizona, 105 W Stadium, Tucson AZ, 85721, USA
b School of Ocean Sciences, Bangor University, Menai Bridge, Anglesey, LL59 5AB, UK
c Climate and Environmental Physics, University of Bern, Sidlerstrasse 5, CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland
d Oeschger Centre for Climate Change Research, University of Bern, Sidlerstrasse 5, CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland
Received 2 May 2011, Accepted 6 October 2011, Available online 15 October 2011

Abstract
Within the last Millennium, the transition between the Medieval Climate Anomaly (MCA; ca. 1000–1300 CE) and the Little Ice Age (LIA; ca. 1400–1800 CE) has been recorded in a global array of climatic and oceanographic proxies. In this study, we review proxy evidence for two alternative hypotheses for the effects of this shift in the North Atlantic region. One hypothesis postulates that the MCA/LIA transition included a weakening of the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation (AMOC) and a transition to more negative North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) conditions, resulting in a strong cooling of the North Atlantic region. The alternative hypothesis proposes a MCA/LIA shift to an increased number of storms over the North Atlantic linked to increased mid-latitude cyclogenesis and hence a pervasive positive NAO state. The two sets of proxy records and thus of the two competing hypotheses are then reconciled based on available results from climate model simulations of the last Millennium. While an increase in storm frequency implicates positive NAO, increased intensity would be consistent with negative NAO during the LIA. Such an increase in cyclone intensity could have resulted from the steepening of the meridional temperature gradient as the poles cooled more strongly than the Tropics from the MCA into the LIA.

Keywords
Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation; Little Ice Age; Medieval Climate Anomaly; North Atlantic Oscillation; storminess; mid-latitude cyclones; Aeolian sand deposition; Maunder Minimum

(there is such an immediate jump to conclusions here and that does not benefit the science and when plausible exceptions are ignored, we gerrymander into political correctness. Not on my watch).

Response by SSgt Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 14 at 2015 6:26 AM

SSgt Private RallyPoint Member — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 06:26:52 -0400

An Albedic Curiosity
Willis Eschenbach / 3 days ago July 10, 2015
Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I had one of my investigations take a curious turn recently. I was going to use as my springboard the most interesting 2015 paper entitled The Albedo Of Earth, by Graeme L. Stephens et al. However, a strange thing happened along the way. I got to thinking about their Figure 5, in particular Panel (a).:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/07/10/an-albedic-curiosity/
The importance here is that Mr. Stephens has read the coherent rebuttal and wishes not to respond one way or another. That is a problem. Because discussions on potentiality are not limited to consensus.

An Albedic Curiosity

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach I had one of my investigations take a curious turn recently. I was going to use as my springboard the most interesting 2015 paper entitled The Albedo Of Earth, by Gr...

Response by SGT Jeremiah B. made Jul 14 at 2015 4:44 PM

SGT Jeremiah B. — Tue, 14 Jul 2015 16:44:53 -0400

One study is not how science works. It's how the MEDIA and a few special interest groups work for sure, but there are single studies claiming all kinds of things. Besides, this was a paper presented at a conference. It's not published or peer reviewed, so who knows if it's anything more than complete garbage?

Oh yeah, and the Daily Fail earned its name for a reason.