On the NCOER of a PSG, can they list the accomplishments of subordinates that they facilitated (e.g. college, train up for EFMB/EIB, etc.)?

2017-03-14T00:29:19-04:00

Can the NCO list the accomplishments they directly influenced/facilitated, or do they only list their individual accomplishments? I am getting conflicting information, and haven't been able to find any recent regs to sort it out.

Response by 1SG Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2017 1:20 AM

2017-03-14T01:20:03-04:00

I don't see a problem with that as long as the PSG's actions influenced the soldier's ability to achieve those accomplishments.
The sergeant that worked after the duty day to make sure that all the soldiers obtained a fitness level that resulted in the entire platoon passing with better then 70% average.
The sergeant that stayed on top of the platoons readiness ensuring that all members maintained green status and moved through the STEP system in a timely manner.
The sergeant with minimal maintenance deficiencies on platoon equipment due to establishing a platoon culture that took equipment PMCS seriously.

Those, in my opinion, are fair accomplishments that could be used as bullets.

I am not sure about individual accomplishments, and generally I would say no. However, if all her soldiers made commandant's list at their respective NCOES, that might reflect on the PSG as well.

Response by SGT David T. made Mar 14 at 2017 8:13 AM

2017-03-14T08:13:18-04:00

As a NCO is rated on their leadership skills and mentoring abilities, I would list those things. I know on all of mine, my Soldiers' performance in areas like PT were rated.

Response by SPC(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2017 8:32 AM

2017-03-14T08:32:26-04:00

I'm with 1SG Private RallyPoint Member and SGT David T. on this one, so long as the PSG's actions led directly to the accomplishments of their subordinates I would see this as an achievement worthy of noting on the PSG's level also.

Response by LTC Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 14 at 2017 2:51 PM

2017-03-14T14:51:52-04:00

Leaders are usually rated on the performance of their units. For example saying a PSG or PLT LDR scoring a max PT test is fine, but they are really evaluated by the scores of their soldiers. Earn g an EIB is great, but having a high pass rate for the platoon is the mark of leadership.

Response by Lt Col Jim Coe made Mar 14 at 2017 3:33 PM

2017-03-14T15:33:43-04:00

Supervisors can take credit for subordinate's accomplishments if they directly supervised or facilitated the work and in doing so demonstrated management or leadership. For example (Air Force language):" Under SSgt Smith's leadership, 85% of his flight completed [whatever] certification in 4 months or less; 20% more than any other flight in the Squadron and exceeded Support Group Commander's goals by 30%."

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2017 10:22 AM

2017-03-15T10:22:32-04:00

I was tracking the same as everyone here, but recently an NCOER was put together in which achievements that were facilitated by the PSG training up her Soldiers were put in as bullets. The unit S1 kicked it back, saying that only individual achievements should be entered. I have been reviewing things like the NCO Guide, The Rater etc, and the information that I have found is generic. Does anyone know of any ARs, ALARACTs etc that cover this specific point?

Response by MAJ Private RallyPoint Member made Mar 15 at 2017 2:28 PM

2017-03-15T14:28:16-04:00

FYSA, I found guidance and ARs/ADPs, and a brief that I have included below:

http://www.ftmeade.army.mil/directorates/dhr/mpd/NCOER.pdf

This PPT details some of what we were talking about, and much more, and links to the ARs that confirm that you do actually put bullets on how your mentorship and guidance as a PSG furthered your unit.

For SSG-1SG, the NCOER is written with an 'Organizational' focus, IAW ADP 6-22 (Leadership)

SGTs are the ones that have 'Direct' bullets, where it is focused on the individual.