Other than honorable for pt test?

2020-07-21T09:15:52-04:00

So I was told if I don’t pass my pt test tomorrow I was going to be discharged with other than honorable.

As far as I’m aware I’ve only been counseled once over failing pt

I have one counseling for being late once

And during AT they sent me home last year because of medical issues.

Is there anything I can do to extend my record pt test date or get it bumped up to a higher discharge. The internet I’ve read says people don’t get this low of discharge for pt failure alone.

Response by SGT C. N made Jul 21 at 2020 9:37 AM

2020-07-21T09:37:31-04:00

I have never heard of some getting chapter out for failing one PT test. A normal or real leader would get out there and work with you and push you to make sure that you pass your next test but I guess that’s just your leadership. However the type of discharge that they are trying to give you is really not that bad because you will still receive all your benefits from the VA if you are do any. My advice is to pray on it tonight and do your Very best tomorrow and don’t give up. Remember a leader leads by example.

Response by LTC Eugene Chu made Jul 21 at 2020 9:46 AM

2020-07-21T09:46:01-04:00

OTH discharge for PT test failure is bull****. That being said, you will be flagged and may face other negative repercussions (e.g. loss of SMP status, medical board, etc.). I suggest that you talk to JAG and your ROTC cadre to understand the situation better.

Response by SSgt William Quinn made Jul 21 at 2020 9:46 AM

2020-07-21T09:46:08-04:00

PT is a core responsibility of every military member. It is first and foremost your responsibility. Any excuses should have been documented by now, such a medical limitations, along with a return to full duty and PT date. If there is no such documentation, it is expected that you stay and remain in good enough physical condition to pass the minimum standards.

My suggestion is to exceed and assume your enemy is not accepting minimum standards.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2020 9:47 AM

2020-07-21T09:47:25-04:00

COVID19 and EXORD 164-20 I believe it is has strict guidance on APFT. If you had a passing PT score that is to remain valid until further notice. Only the SM can request to take an APFT and that is to remove a flag from that SMs personnel file or if the SM requests a PT test. Previous PT scores remain valid for PME, Reenlistment, etc.

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2020 9:59 AM

2020-07-21T09:59:47-04:00

Are you a SGT or Cadet? If you have not passed a PT test with in the last FY you are required to pass one. You have the option to pass the current APFT test so long as you do prior to 30 Sept 2020; however if you fail that, come 01 October you will have to take and pass the ACFT. I do not know your situation, so I am not here to judge. But I would highly suggest you pass the PT test and leave all the nonsense behind you.

On a side note, other than honorable sounds like some smoke being blown... that is a BS discharge rating for a PT failure and I would be impressed if that is what actually happens. Best of luck to you.

Response by MSG Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2020 10:06 AM

2020-07-21T10:06:51-04:00

For APFT/ACFT Failure Chapters, the Commander can recommend what Discharge you should get....however, it still needs to run thru all the approving authorities and JAGs. What you could end up with could be higher than what your Commander recommends. Also, your packet will be kicked back on each level if not done properly.

Response by COL Anthony Formica made Jul 21 at 2020 10:37 AM

2020-07-21T10:37:59-04:00

How many apft failures? Usually, besides being flagged, it would have to be at least the third failure. The level of discharge sounds too harsh, should be general, under honorable conditions. If you’re unsure, immediately request the IG take a look. Go through the chain of command, though. They cannot deny the request

Response by SSgt Christophe Murphy made Jul 21 at 2020 10:53 AM

2020-07-21T10:53:04-04:00

A few things.

Don't be the guy misrepresenting yourself. If you are a Private or PFC don't have Sgt chevrons on your profile. Don't do shady stuff and people won't think you are shady.

With that out of the way lets talk about the issue.

If you have an legitimate ongoing medical issue you need to get it reflected in your duty status. If you need to be placed on Light or limited duty that will get you out from under the crosshair and get you the time you need to heal or fix your issue.

COVID19 has generated guidance specifically for PT tests and PFTs. Do your research and go from there.

At the end of the day fitness is part of the job and needs to be a focus. Do your part to focus on your fitness and health. If you have a medical issue don't drag your feet and get it addressed. Don't be the kid who complains about health/medical issues but doesn't go to medical to get it addressed and documented.

Response by SSG(P) Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 21 at 2020 11:34 AM

2020-07-21T11:34:32-04:00

For an OTH Discharge, there has to be paper trail citing numerous counselings for sub-par performance, misconduct, etc. If you don't have a paper trail of bad stuff, they are just either blowing smoke or truly don't know WTH they are talking about (which is typical when it comes to regs, both in the Active Component and Reserve) Anything less than "honorable" has to be approved by JAG. JAG won't sign-off on something that's flimsy.

Here's a real-life example: At my Reserve unit we have a guy on the books who physically assaulted a Warrant Officer during AT, got arrested by the local police, and ordered not to step foot on the unit's property. He is still on the books, the unit cannot get rid of him because "higher-up" didn't approve the discharge. So the unit is stuck with him.

I also agree with those who cited the current moratorium on PT tests, except for taking them to remove flags. Speaking of flags, when you outprocess the Army, all flags are removed, as you are no longer on the books, and there is no reason or justification for keeping a civilian flagged (LOL).

Don't worry about idle threats.

Response by CSM Eric Biggs made Jul 21 at 2020 2:51 PM

2020-07-21T14:51:01-04:00

Here is the problem: After reading this post and some of your other posts when checking out your profile, I have determined you to be a quitter. This is why you can’t pass the APFT or ACFT, you have no heart or drive. Neither one is even that hard. I’m almost 40 and got a wild hair last month, so I got shit face drunk and had some buddies administer a no bullshit APTF in the morning. I wanted to see how I would do compared to when I was 18. Holy shit wouldn’t you know I scored in the 70’s in each event at the 18 year old standards. I don’t work out much, I just maintain. What I do is give a shit and have heart and drive.
You more than likely will receive a general discharge, if you fail your test. So you have a choice, keep being a quitter, and get kicked out, or dig down grab your sack, your give a shit, and your heart and exceeded the standard.

Response by SGT Christopher Hayden made Jul 21 at 2020 3:11 PM

2020-07-21T15:11:40-04:00

Have you considered trying to actually pass the test, Private Sergeant? That's the easiest way out of this pickle.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2020 12:07 AM

2020-07-22T00:07:23-04:00

Sooooo.......

A few things. My understanding is APFT is in limbo with CV19 and current record scores stand until further notice. To me which means no one is getting kicked out for it, but don’t expect failure to be waived for positive actions

Best advice, pass it and coast on the passing record until lord knows when. If there was any time to kill yourself trying to get a passing record now is that time.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2020 12:19 AM

2020-07-22T00:19:45-04:00

Story time. While as a USAR company CO I would push APFT packets up for separation. I don’t think anyone one of them was approved on APFT alone.

But you know what..... a FLAGGED soldier cannot re-enlist without the CO’s waiver. A problem child came to me asking for said APFT flag waiver to re-enlist.

Nope...... I finally had my path to get him out. He hadn’t passed an APFT in 2+ years and was looking at 2 weeks before his ETS.

I told him, if he comes in and had an APFT administered by the full time staff and passes, well then he wouldn’t need my approval to re-enlist and he could bypass me.

The amazing point of this story is the son of a gun PASSED. He couldn’t find it in him the last 2 years but when it was REAL he found it somewhere in him to magically pass.

BTW I’m sure no one on my full time staff staff cut him any favors in scoring him. Plus it was the run holding him back and that is cut and dry via the stop watch.

Response by CPT Private RallyPoint Member made Jul 22 at 2020 1:46 PM

2020-07-22T13:46:19-04:00

I get easily confused. You are a reservist????? Where are you drilling in person to take a test? Isn't every one doing Virtual Battle Assemblies?

Response by AB Mike Agin made Jul 22 at 2020 4:26 PM

2020-07-22T16:26:41-04:00

The actual discharge will read, Failure to meet minimum requirement for enlistment.

Response by A1C Jordan Brenner made Aug 1 at 2020 6:58 AM

2020-08-01T06:58:59-04:00

It's obvious smoke.. listen my dude. Everyone has an opinion but I delegate only in facts. Grab a lawyer and fight the fight. I don't know your circumstance and honestly don't care. Just do something about it oppose to being a whiney degenerate. Check out my lawsuit: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RE3LSSstxsjATq_JjIe6S2LzFqu9HY3B/view

complaint.pdf

Response by SSG Private RallyPoint Member made Sep 4 at 2020 11:47 PM

2020-09-04T23:47:50-04:00

So this was posted a month ago... hope you put on those big boy pants sucked it up and passed that test.

Response by PO3 Dan Wagoner made Nov 2 at 2021 12:14 PM

2021-11-02T12:14:20-04:00

The best way to avoid it, is the obvious to just pass your PT, but if you feel that there may be other reasons, the best thing to do is ask, ask your ranking enlisted personnel, never want to jump rank unless it is a serious manner

Response by SGT David Schrader made Nov 3 at 2021 9:14 PM

2021-11-03T21:14:48-04:00

I would think that it would be extreme to give you an “other than honorable “discharge for not passing your APFT as there could be some extenuating circumstances as to why an individual could not pass the PT test such as medical or physical problems.
If you met or exceeded your MOS skills and stayed away from UCMJ actions there should be no reason NOT to issue you an HONORABLE discharge.
You might want to seek IG services or Army legal services.
I wish you all the best of luck.

Response by SPC Private RallyPoint Member made Oct 16 at 2022 1:23 PM

2022-10-16T13:23:29-04:00

All these people don’t know what they are talking about. As a paralegal I do chapters ALL the time and I’ve NEVER seen a APFT failure as anything other than a honorable discharge. Unless you have previous article 15’s. In that case you’ll get a general. You can not receive a Other than honorable discharge without a board which most units don’t want to do because they take a long time abd a lot of resources. Check out AR 635-200 APFT failure is considered a CH 13. NCO’s say shit like this all the time to scare soldiers. They are full of shit